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Old 05-26-2011, 07:32 PM
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Is it safe to juice whole apples, including seeds?

I just got a juicer, and it very proudly announces it will juice whole apples. Awesome! Except, wait, aren't apple seeds full of cyanide? But maybe the seeds don't get into the juice? Safe or not?
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Old 05-26-2011, 07:35 PM
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It's not safe to juice the seeds. You should remove them or risk cyanide poisoning if you drink the juice with seeds in large quantities.
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Old 05-26-2011, 07:42 PM
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It's not safe to juice the seeds. You should remove them or risk cyanide poisoning if you drink the juice with seeds in large quantities.
That's absurd - when apples are pressed commercially for cider or juice, they're shredded and pressed. Nobody removes the seeds.
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Old 05-26-2011, 07:56 PM
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My brother was a big fan of eating all the fruit cores seeds and all. He'd love to munch apricot kernels too

I imagine if you were juicing it it might be possible to get poisoned.

The poison in apple seeds is packed tight so it's less harmful to swallow them whole, and you get more poison if you chew them up.

I read it takes about 20 apple seeds to kill a mouse. So if someone wants to calculate how many a human must consume, I guess you could do the math
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:03 PM
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Snopes says the amount of cyanide in apple seeds can be metobolised safely by the body.

Several places seem to state that it takes 100g (almost a half cup) of crushed appleseeds to make a 150lb person ill, but there's never any source so I'm not sure.

Don't drink a gallon of the stuff daily and you should be ok.
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:10 PM
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To reiterate: If it were unsafe to juice apples along with their seeds, people would be dropping like flies. Commercial apple juice and cider is made from pressed, shredded whole apples with their seeds.

The seeds get broken and crushed in the pressing - although they're harder and drier than the flesh of the apples, so probably don't contribute proportionally to the juice.

Blending and drinking quantities of whole apples might be a problem, if apple seeds are indeed as toxic as reputed. Juicing them with a machine that separates the solids should be safe.
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:19 PM
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I eat apples whole (except for the stem), but I try to avoid crushing the seed, in which case they will go right through you (that is their purpose in life, after all). But I am sure that I have crunched many a seed and lived to tell about it.
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:32 PM
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I used to, when young and left to my own devices, laboriously split open a peach pit and EAT THE SEED. Under the impression it was an almond. .... I eat the whole pear except for the stem, are pear seeds OK to eat?
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:52 PM
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Snopes says the amount of cyanide in apple seeds can be metobolised safely by the body.
And here is Cecil's column on the issue of cyanide in fruit seeds.
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Old 05-26-2011, 09:15 PM
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apples are cut into chunks if hard, it will juice faster. no need to remove seeds.
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Old 05-26-2011, 11:28 PM
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Well, evidently "juice whole apples!" means "juice midget apples from Lilliput!" But I juiced some apple quarters (to make, god I can't believe I'm admitting this, Apple Pear Beet Ginger juice, which was suprisingly not bad) and have not dropped dead yet.

I am advised that I should call it Apple Pear Ginger Surprise juice.
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Old 05-26-2011, 11:57 PM
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I have never ever seeded apples when I've juiced them and I'm still alive, so far as I can tell, so take that as you will.
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Old 05-27-2011, 12:05 AM
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The beets might kill you from shock though - FYI the colorful effects show up surprisingly early. As in, a few hours ago, and I just made this stuff at 9:30.
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Old 05-27-2011, 12:17 AM
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The beets might kill you from shock though - FYI the colorful effects show up surprisingly early. As in, a few hours ago, and I just made this stuff at 9:30.
I love beets. (I have an Eastern European heritage.) I don't know if I've ever seen their effects that quickly, though.
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Old 05-27-2011, 12:22 AM
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It's not safe to juice the seeds. You should remove them or risk cyanide poisoning if you drink the juice with seeds in large quantities.
Do you have impartial evidence to support this assertion? If not, you should not have posted in this thread in this forum. If so, you should have included it in your post.
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Old 05-27-2011, 09:10 AM
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We've made hard cider from fresh apples a few times, and just cut 'em in quarters, throw them in the juicer and have lived to tell the tale.
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Old 05-27-2011, 09:16 AM
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I'd heartily advise against juicing bitter almonds, though.
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Old 05-27-2011, 02:32 PM
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I just got a juicer, and it very proudly announces it will juice whole apples. Awesome! Except, wait, aren't apple seeds full of cyanide? But maybe the seeds don't get into the juice? Safe or not?
it is most definitely safe most fruit seeds contain vitamin b17 and it is very important to our diets to eliminate the possibility of cancer..fda wont approve b17 bear in mind the guy who did the only study for the fda is named macdonald and is the very man who coin the term "a pack a day keeps lung cancer away" ahhhh the 50's gotta love em..the info is out there if u need it just google b17 or (Nitrilosides) or Laetrile and amygdalin...then u will find the straight dope
by the way u need a hundred grams of apple seeds to make 500g of b17 so even if u dont care to know the rest at least u can rest assured a few seeds are safe...much love
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Old 05-27-2011, 02:41 PM
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it is most definitely safe most fruit seeds contain vitamin b17 and it is very important to our diets to eliminate the possibility of cancer..fda wont approve b17 bear in mind the guy who did the only study for the fda is named macdonald and is the very man who coin the term "a pack a day keeps lung cancer away" ahhhh the 50's gotta love em..the info is out there if u need it just google b17 or (Nitrilosides) or Laetrile and amygdalin...then u will find the straight dope
by the way u need a hundred grams of apple seeds to make 500g of b17 so even if u dont care to know the rest at least u can rest assured a few seeds are safe...much love
Wait... what?

So, something that both isn't effective for cancer treatment, and also slowly poisons me with cyanide is a good deal?

Where can I find this in bulk?
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Old 05-27-2011, 02:50 PM
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I just got a juicer, and it very proudly announces it will juice whole apples. Awesome! Except, wait, aren't apple seeds full of cyanide? But maybe the seeds don't get into the juice? Safe or not?
oops 100g seeds=500mg b17
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Old 05-27-2011, 02:53 PM
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Wait... what?

So, something that both isn't effective for cancer treatment, and also slowly poisons me with cyanide is a good deal?

Where can I find this in bulk?
thats your rebuttal lmao you just breathed in more deadly chemicals than you will ever get from a seed...this must be a joke
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Old 05-27-2011, 02:56 PM
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it is most definitely safe most fruit seeds contain vitamin b17 and it is very important to our diets to eliminate the possibility of cancer..fda wont approve b17 bear in mind the guy who did the only study for the fda is named macdonald and is the very man who coin the term "a pack a day keeps lung cancer away" ahhhh the 50's gotta love em..the info is out there if u need it just google b17 or (Nitrilosides) or Laetrile and amygdalin...then u will find the straight dope
by the way u need a hundred grams of apple seeds to make 500g of b17 so even if u dont care to know the rest at least u can rest assured a few seeds are safe...much love
"vitamin b17 and it is very important to our diets to eliminate the possibility of cancer"...where do you see cancer treatment.....yes your intelligence runs deep
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Old 05-27-2011, 03:00 PM
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That's absurd - when apples are pressed commercially for cider or juice, they're shredded and pressed. Nobody removes the seeds.
Having been to a place in Watsonville that does this, you forgot 'strained", and from what I saw, the process would not get too much stuff from the seeds. Some, certainly.

In moderation, the Op's process seems safe.
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Old 05-27-2011, 03:00 PM
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thats your rebuttal lmao you just breathed in more deadly chemicals than you will ever get from a seed...this must be a joke
"It is believed that the active anticancer ingredient in laetrile is cyanide"

"The side effects of laetrile are like the symptoms of cyanide poisoning"

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/p.../patient/page1

And yes, it is a cancer treatment. Just one with no clinical effectiveness and the side effect of "poisoning."

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Old 05-27-2011, 03:00 PM
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Do you have impartial evidence to support this assertion? If not, you should not have posted in this thread in this forum. If so, you should have included it in your post.

People calm down. It's just apple juice we are talking about here

http://www.juicing-for-health.com/is...eir-seeds.html

http://chemistry.about.com/b/2007/09...-poisonous.htm


There is my impartial evidence
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Old 05-27-2011, 03:25 PM
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OK for fun I'll do the math,

I read 20 apple seeds will kill a mouse. An average mouse weighs 6 grams

Let's say an average man weighs 150 pounds or about 68 kilograms

68 kilograms is equal to 68,000 grams

So if 20 seeds is lethal to a 6 gram mammal, we set up a ratio

20 seeds
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6 grams

x (number of seeds)
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68000 grams

68,000 X 20 = 6X

1,360,000 = 6x

1,360,000/6 = x

226,666.67 = x

So if you assume the amount of apple seeds that is lethal in a mouse would be the same number in a 150 pound man, you can see you'd need about a quarter of a million to kill you.

But of course the lethality in an animal may be different from humans, but it shows it would take a LOT of seeds to kill you.

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Old 05-27-2011, 04:32 PM
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IIRC, there has been exactly one death from eating apple seeds. Some guy saved up all of the seeds from apples that he ate in a bowl, then one night he decided to eat all of the seeds in one sitting.

It's quite a bit less than a quarter million seeds, but it's still an ungodly number of seeds to eat at once.

Unless you are eating an entire bowl of seeds, there's nothing to worry about. Your body can handle small amounts of cyanide without any harm to you.
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Old 05-27-2011, 05:03 PM
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Actually, no it's not apple juice we're talking about here - it's cyanide. Your first link it to someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. She uses "could" and "maybe" and clearly is making stuff up (earlier links have shown that the body quickly detoxifies apple seeds, that link suggests the toxins build up in the body). The second link simply confirms what everyone in this thread has agreed on - that apple seeds contain cyanide.

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Old 05-27-2011, 05:10 PM
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People calm down. It's just apple juice we are talking about here
No, it's GQ we're talking about here. A higher degree of rigor and correctness is aimed for here.

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Old 05-27-2011, 05:14 PM
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Technically, apple seeds contain amygdalin, which is a compound made of cyanide and sugar. When digested, it gets broken down into hydrogen cyanide, which the body can metabolize in small amounts.

But that's kinda picking nits and I really don't think anyone is going to argue with the "apple seeds contain cyanide" statements in this thread. But this is GQ and picking nits is a bit of a hobby here.

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Old 05-28-2011, 06:48 AM
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OK for fun I'll do the math,

I read 20 apple seeds will kill a mouse. An average mouse weighs 6 grams
An adult laboratory mouse weighs 20 to 40 grams.

http://research.uiowa.edu/animal/?get=mouse

http://www.ratbehavior.org/RatsMice.htm#TellApart

http://www.afrma.org/rminfo1.htm
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Old 05-28-2011, 08:53 AM
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"vitamin b17 and it is very important to our diets to eliminate the possibility of cancer"...where do you see cancer treatment.....yes your intelligence runs deep
Because I actually went and did the tiniest bit of half-assed research on the interwebs, and saw where there'd been failed clinical trials as a cancer treatment.
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Old 05-28-2011, 09:01 AM
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Having been to a place in Watsonville that does this, you forgot 'strained", and from what I saw, the process would not get too much stuff from the seeds. Some, certainly.

In moderation, the Op's process seems safe.
I didn't forget it. Straining is an integral part of the pressing process.

In traditional methods, the apple pulp is packed in folded cloths between wooden racks, stacked and pressed. In large scale modern industrial processes, it's done with meshes and screens, but in either case, it's just part of pressing, or else the process is called 'extruding apple pulp' or something.

Filtering the pressed juice to make it crystal clear is entirely optional.
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Old 05-28-2011, 06:23 PM
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I'd heartily advise against juicing bitter almonds, though.
I never heard of bitter almonds. Where does one get bitter almonds?
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Old 05-29-2011, 09:20 AM
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I never heard of bitter almonds. Where does one get bitter almonds?
According to wikipedia at least, they are found on the same tree as regular almonds but are shaped differently. They also contain what's technically known as a crapload of cyanogenic compounds. As in, eat a couple handfuls at once and it could kill you if you're small or unlucky.
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Old 05-29-2011, 11:52 AM
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According to wikipedia at least, they are found on the same tree as regular almonds but are shaped differently.
Just to clarify: the wild almond tree bears bitter almonds. These yield the chemical benzaldehyde, which is the classic "almond" flavour (and is absent from sweet almonds, given rise to the oddity that almonds don't actually taste of "almond"). Bitter almonds are used in food such as amaretto biscuits, amaretto alcohol and marzipan.

It seems unlikely that you could unintentionally poison yourself with bitter almonds because they are intensely bitter. However I believe I have read that they can be made safe and eaten.

I suppose it is not surprising that some sweet almond trees occasionally bear bitter almonds, but it is a bit misleading to say that the two types grow on the same tree. They are (normally) the fruit of different trees, just like sweet cherries and sour cherries.
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Juicing of the seeds of apples.

Heavens to betsy....thanks for all the responses. I've also just got a juicer and was wondering about the same thing. After reading all of the responses I have come to the conclusion that seeds should not be in the apple when juiced. I don't buy the argument that the body can safely metabolize it. I know of no benefits of cyanide consumption so the seeds are gonna go.

By the way, many of these things build up steadily in the body, so the fact that the seeds do not make you sick doesn't mean they do not have an impact.

I'll be on the safe side.
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Old 01-14-2013, 08:57 PM
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I'll be on the safe side.
And you'll be wrong, but since there's no danger in removing the seeds, knock yourself out.
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Old 09-21-2013, 01:39 PM
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Exhibit 364 of education being trounced by common sense.

You are all arguing about nothing. I guess no one looks in the waste bin of their juicer. If it is the most common variety, it spins. Most likely, all these killer seeds you guys are talking about are getting thrown out, and are not in your juicer..

That's right. Most, if not all of the seeds will be sitting, whole, in the waste bin and not in your juice. But I know the Web is full of a bunch of over concerned souls, so please do this. Take an apple, cut the seeds out and count them. Mash them up together in your hand and toss the lot into a clean juicer.

Sort and count your seeds.
Drink your juice.
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Exhibit 364 of education being trounced by common sense.
Look in a mirror lately? (hint: check the post dates)
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Old 09-21-2013, 05:35 PM
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Yeah, well unfortunately this was a top Google result.

(Worry about the issue, not the sell by date)
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Old 09-21-2013, 06:38 PM
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(Worry about the issue, not the sell by date)
What issue?

A cursory examination of the posts reveals most posters already pointed out the safety of juicing whole apples, including the final post before you revived this dead thread.
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Old 09-21-2013, 06:54 PM
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I ate too many seeds and am now a zombie contributing to one.

Seriously, cyanide does not accumulate in the body and is quickly metabolized. I believe there are processes in the body that produce cyanide in small quantities and the body has efficient mechanisms to get rid of it. As I said in the original, I eat the whole apple although I try to avoid crunching the seeds, which are then eliminated undigested.
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Apple seeds, don't actually contain cyanide. What they, and many other seeds contain, is something called amygdalin, which, when metabolized, produces cyanide.

Ever hear of “laetrile”, an alleged cancer cure from many years ago? It's based on amygdalin; and though its safety and effectiveness as a cancer treatment has been thoroughly disproven, there remains a solid community of crackpots who continue to advocate its use for this purpose.

Many years ago, there was a very prolific and aggressive spammer who promoted a variety of amygdalin- and laetrile-based cancer remedies. A significant feud arose between him and myself. I got him kicked off of one ISP after another, after another, and he once successfully got me temporarily kicked off of AOL by “joe-jobbing”me—sending out a massive spam run crafted to look like I was responsible for it.

I also reported him repeatedly to the FDA, the FTC, and other appropriate government agencies, in connection with his phony cancer treatments. This was the result of that. I never heard anything from or of him again, after he got out of prison.
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Old 09-23-2013, 05:19 PM
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It's not safe to juice the seeds. You should remove them or risk cyanide poisoning if you drink the juice with seeds in large quantities.
Ridiculous.

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Old 09-25-2013, 03:32 PM
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Amygdalin isn't very soluble in water (i.e. the main component of apple juice) at cold or ambient temperatures, so juicing or pressing pulped apples including their seeds is quite safe.

To reiterate comments above - were this not so, people would be dropping like flies, because the seeds are not removed from the apple pulp when pressing juice commercially (or indeed on most smaller scales either).

As it happens, I built myself a cider press last week and tested it on the weekend - the pulp in the fourth and third images from the bottom on that page is just shredded whole apples (skin, flesh, seeds and stalks) - the pressing process itself inherently filters out the solids, including the seeds.

People have been pressing apples this way for centuries, without dying.

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