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Old 08-12-2011, 03:56 PM
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Did your school still have corporal punishment?


Physical punishment.

If so, was it ever administered to you?

When answering, please state what part of the world you lived in and the general time period you were in school.

We had it when I was in school. I graduated high school in 1991, lived in the southeast, usa. It was a leather strap. I got it quite a few times. The last when I was 12 or 13 I think.

As far as I know, it's no longer done in public schools. Wikipedia says its still legal in this part of the country, but when I posed the question to younger people, who went to school in the 90's/2000's, I was told they had never heard of it being administered.
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Old 08-12-2011, 04:18 PM
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In the public schools I attended in Virginia (mid-1980's to late 1990's), corporal punishment was forbidden as far as I remember. I can't remember where I learned this.

Permissible punishments as far as I remember were informal warnings, formal writeups/letter home to parents, parent/teacher conference, grade of F (limited circumstances - you could apparently get it for Cheating or for Truancy, but not for fighting or being saucy) detention, alternative program (reform school lite), reform school (though I never knew anyone who went there and it may have been a myth), out of school suspension, and expulsion.

Classes that used a "token economy" system could include point fines for violations.
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Old 08-12-2011, 05:34 PM
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duking it out


It was a parochial school circa 1960. But when push came to shove, shove came to blows. There was never a thought as to any repercussions such as complaining parents
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Old 08-12-2011, 05:38 PM
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Yep. Last time I got it was 7th grade, when a group of us were sent to the Dean of Boys for something. After we were interviewed, we each faced the door, grabbed our ankles and were sent on our way back to class with a swat from a large wooden paddle.

Heck, standing orders to my teachers from my father were "Smack him if he gets out of line, then call me so I can smack him again when he gets home!"

That must have been 1967 or so.
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Old 08-12-2011, 05:41 PM
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When I was in grade school (late 70's, Catholic School) the principal had a large wooden paddle that was used on miscreants. This included one memorable occasion where the PA system was (accidentally or on purpose) left on during the paddling, leading to a spontaneous outbreak of good behavior that lasted quite a while.
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Since the OP is asking about personal experiences, this is better suited to IMHO than GQ.

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Old 08-12-2011, 05:52 PM
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7th Grade, 1969/1970, the Bluebird of Happiness was a broken hockey stick wrapped with blue cellophane tape to make it sting more, used in gym class on naked boys including me. This was a distant suburb of Philadelphia.
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Yeah, now they have to 'call the parents', and can't even touch the child.

Then they all stand around and wonder "why are teenagers shooting up schools?"

Over half the time parents don't even correct their children, don't get me started on the screaming kids in the supermarket (seriously, don't, I'll go on for hours)

Oh yeah, that's right there's even some horrendous law about spanking your children . When I was a kid (a whole 14 years ago, grew up not long after I turned ten) the only thing that kept me in check was the threat of my dad's belt. That's the only thing he'd use, and I only had to get it once, after that I made sure to not do anything that deserved more than a swat from my mom, end of story.

(I live in the USA, but now thinking of moving somewhere before the next generation grows up......scary, they'll make gang wars look friendly)
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Old 08-12-2011, 06:11 PM
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I went to mostly private schools in Wisconsin during the 70s. I don't recall corporal punishment as in "bend over and take your spanking." Teachers did have the right to hit or smack or whatever if they felt you needed it. One teacher might be known for using a ruler, another might be an ear puller.

In high school, the school disciplinarian or whatever he was, got mad at few of us punks one day and grabbed me and shoved me against the lockers and told me I better start wearing shirts with proper collars on them. That's about it.

Private schools were stricter and teachers didn't take crap. I think the threat of getting smacked was enough to keep kids in line, and I don't recall kids pushing things far enough to ever get hit very often.

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Old 08-12-2011, 06:22 PM
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Public school in Oklahoma, graduated high school in 1987. Vice Principal still had the paddle, and would use it. I, however, was a sweet innocent angel who never needed to be managed by that level of oversight.
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Old 08-12-2011, 06:31 PM
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Spanked in a British Columbia school in 1975. (For another boy's mess, dammit.)
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Pakistan. Private School. 2002. Got the cane; threw another boy out of a window (he was annoying me.). 17 strokes . Was the first kid in about 3 years to get punished and I think the last; it was never used normally.
They did have other punishments which you wish you were beaten; try 20 rounds of the hockey ground in gym shorts in freezing weather. Or their favorite; 10 pushups, with the damn punisher telling you when you went down and came up, Could make 10 pushups last half an hour.
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Pakistan. Private School. 2002. Got the cane;
Okay, nuff said, that's where I'm moving to, Pakistan must not be as bad as I thought it was.
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Old 08-12-2011, 06:56 PM
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I grew up in Colorado. When I was in middle school (a.k.a. "junior high") in 1971 there was still corporal punishment. I never got walloped, but I saw another kid get it with a paddle a couple of times. A big wooden paddle.

The only one I got was having to "sit" with my back against the wall and knees at a 90-degree angle with no chair or other support under my butt. He would vary the amount of time you had to hold the pose depending on the severity of the offense. My worst was ten minutes. If I hadn't been a skiier I don't think I could have done it that long.

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Old 08-12-2011, 07:03 PM
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I'm only 26 and yes. When I went to elementary school they still used the paddle sometimes. I very clearly recall troublemakers who feared the paddle up to 5th grade (1995-96). I never heard about it anymore after that year, but I'm not sure if it's because they quit using it or because they only used it on the little kids. Paddles aren't a very scary prospect to middle schoolers. I went to primary school in Hobart, Indiana (Joan Martin elementary school).

Also, I recall that the lady who ran my small preschool walloped the shit out of kids' bare asses (in front of EVERYBODY) with her bare hand. Never happened to me, thankfully. That would have been around 1990.

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Old 08-12-2011, 07:32 PM
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Oh yeah. The coaches did it in junior high, 1974. Go to the gym. grab your ankles and they used a boat paddle with holes in it. Not their full strength of course. I got a small bruise but nothing to get excited about. My dad was waiting for me at home with a belt too. For causing trouble at school. So I got my ass whipped twice every time.

I'm all for it too. Strong willed, dumb ass boys need a strong dose of discipline. Otherwise they'll just take over and do whatever they want. I sure as hell did. They made a believer out of this knot head. After 9th grade I never go in trouble at school. Made good grades. I got a couple whippings at home when I was about 15 for getting caught with beer. After that I waited until I was 18 to drink.

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Old 08-12-2011, 07:37 PM
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I went to elementary school in Philadelphia (and, for a year and a half, Lower Merion, a suburb) in the years 1942-1950 (K-8) and I never heard of anybody ever getting corporally punished so I assume it was forbidden.
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Old 08-12-2011, 07:40 PM
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Class of 2003, public schools in rural Pennsylvania. CP was still allowed under state law, but my district stopped using it before I was born. In accordance with state law they still maintained a list of parents who notified the school they did not consent for CP to be administered to their child; I was on that list for the entirety of my school years. I've been spanked once in my life, by my mother. When I was a toddler and ran out into the road by our house and made a car almost crash into a tree.
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Old 08-12-2011, 08:04 PM
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English boy’s grammar school in the late 1960s. Very occasionally boys would be caned by the headmaster. This was pretty much considered the ultimate deterrent, short of expulsion. However, reports were that he hit quite lightly, and it did not hurt very much. Some teachers, though, had their own in class techniques of physical punishment. A history master known by the nickname Tosser (the usual explanation did not link this to masturbation but to his method of handing back homework) has a method he himself referred to as the “Tosser haircut.” This involved holding the hair near the top of your head and slapping the top of the head with his palm. In practice, this was completely painless. On the other hand, a geography teacher known by the nickname Felix used “the Felix treatment,” which involved several seconds of pulling or twisting the short hairs near the hairline. I experienced this on a couple of occasions and it really hurt! It also worked, I did not much about in his class again.

Both those teachers were pretty popular, although Tosser was not particularly respected. The younger boys (first and second years) tended to fear Felix (with reason), but for the boys in later years (grades, for you Americans) he hardly ever needed to use the “treatment,” and he was a respected and very popular teacher.

Other teachers who relied on sarcasm to keep kids in line, were much less liked.

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Old 08-12-2011, 08:15 PM
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I went to public schools in Sydney, NSW fron 1959 (kindergarten) to 1970 (5th Form). I used to get corporal punishment regularly in primary school (almost always for talking in class). It was quite legal then and legal in High School for boys to be given the cane (not legal for girls to receive corporal punishment by then)

I'm not sure when it was banned in public schools but has been for some time. The private schools held out for as long as they could but, in the end, it was banned there as well.
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Old 08-12-2011, 08:18 PM
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Maryland, 1990s-2000s (graduated 2005). Corporal punishment was banned statewide when I was in 1st grade and I never saw nor heard anything about it, much less being subjected to it myself. My parents would have raised a hell of a fuss, anyway.
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Old 08-12-2011, 08:18 PM
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South Carolina grade school in the early 1980s. It was used fairly frequently (never happened to me). The severity of the offense merited either 1, 3, or at a maximum of 5 "licks." Individual teachers kept a wooden paddle and could administer it how they chose. Usually it was done bent over the teacher's desk while the class watched. If you had a little old lady as a teacher, it didn't matter because she would go get the gym teacher to blister some rear end.

Move to West Virginia in the late 1980s. Corporal punishment was technically legal here, but it was administered almost like the death penalty is in most states. To be eligible, you had to do something really, really bad, numerous times, then have the parents called, have the parents agree to the punishment, do the same bad thing again, get approval from the local school board, wait 24 hours (so it wasn't done in anger) and then finally the paddle would come out, and it could only be administered by the principal. As you would expect, it rarely happened. I saw it done twice in the 9 years in school here.

It was eventually completely done away with after I graduated.
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Old 08-12-2011, 08:21 PM
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Catholic grammar school in the 50s- it was available but rarely used. My daughter started school in the late 80s in central Illinois, and if parents did not want their child to have corporal punishment, they needed yo write a letter to the principal. I wrote the letter, but I also volunteered in the school and never saw it used on anyone. Since then the district abolished corporal punishment.

My husband was a PE teacher in high school in The Chicago area in the mid-late sixties, and not only was it common, but they often called on him to do it.
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Old 08-12-2011, 08:31 PM
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Private Christian elementary school in the 70's and yes, by all means they used corporal punishment. I don't think I went a single school year without getting the paddle at least once. Usually my crime was talking too much to my friends in class or being sassy to the teacher.
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Old 08-12-2011, 08:44 PM
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Attending school in Korea; graduated high school in 2001. Corporal punishment was used quite liberally back then, and teachers could punish you however they wanted - they could hit you on the head with a hardcover book, beat you with a mop, make you kneel on the hard floor for half an hour, etc. The worst punishment was when they made you squat down, grab your ears, and waddle around the track in that position. By the end, your thighs were on fire. The toliets were squat toliets, and you could always tell which girls had been punished with the squats the day before by the screams of agony that came from the stalls.

The punishments were definitely painful (one teacher made us kneel on our desks and hold our chairs above our heads for half an hour) but the humiliation was the worst part of it. Also, teachers were rarely rational and calm when they dealt them out. There were plenty of times when the teachers would just take out their anger on the students. Now that I'm a teacher, I completely understand where the urge to beat your students comes from but that just underscores my belief that corporal punishment needs a lot of strict rules to be effective.
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Old 08-12-2011, 08:49 PM
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...If you had a little old lady as a teacher, it didn't matter because she would go get the gym teacher to blister some rear end...
According to my father the boys quickly learned to fear the old ladies most. Both his grammar school and high school principals were women and neither had the slightest hesitation paddling boys (who by HS were often much larger than them).

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I went to public schools in Sydney, NSW fron 1959 (kindergarten) to 1970 (5th Form). I used to get corporal punishment regularly in primary school (almost always for talking in class). It was quite legal then and legal in High School for boys to be given the cane (not legal for girls to receive corporal punishment by then)...
According to my mother boys could be paddled (on clothed behinds*) by any teacher, male or female, in front of other students, including girls. Girls could only be spanked by female teachers, in private, with no boys or men present. That said she never heard of a girl getting CP (well other than the odd slap on the knuckles with a ruler). In high school it was actually prohibited for girls to be administed CP.

*I don't know if boys ever had to drop trousers in private, but given this was in the era of compulsory nude swim classes it wouldn't surprise me if they did.
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Old 08-12-2011, 08:49 PM
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Yes, my grade school used CP; no, never on me. Nuns used to bean kids with erasers flung across the room (I marveled at their aim, til my brother said they just aimed for the back row and figured they'd probably hit a kid guilty of SOMETHING), hit kids on the head or hand with wooden pointers, or, for the really bad kids, take them to the hall and bounce them against the walls. This was late 1960's, Chicago area.

My sister teaches at a high school in Louisiana where boys (not girls) have the option of in-school suspension or the paddle; she says most choose the paddle, as it's over faster. (See Bosstrain? You don't have to be an expat!) From that and the posts on here, it seems corporal punishment is more likely to be meted out to boys than to girls. Hmm.
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Old 08-12-2011, 09:09 PM
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Yes, my grade school used CP; no, never on me. Nuns used to bean kids with erasers flung across the room
I didn't think that erasers counted. They were still doing that when I graduated from high school in 1976. Typically for talking in class. You'd turn your head to say something and *wham* eraser from the front of the room. You'd wear that chalk mark all day!

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Old 08-12-2011, 09:12 PM
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According to my mother boys could be paddled (on clothed behinds*) by any teacher, male or female, in front of other students, including girls. Girls could only be spanked by female teachers, in private, with no boys or men present. That said she never heard of a girl getting CP (well other than the odd slap on the knuckles with a ruler). In high school it was actually prohibited for girls to be administed CP.

*I don't know if boys ever had to drop trousers in private, but given this was in the era of compulsory nude swim classes it wouldn't surprise me if they did.
There was no paddling of backsides as far as I know. Certainly no one ever said. The boys got the cane in HS and had to go to the subject Master (and, later on, when they tightened the rules) the Deputy Head Master.

My only - and very frequent - experience was with a ruler across the palm. In front of the class with half a dozen other recidivists receiving the same punishment.
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Old 08-12-2011, 10:02 PM
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I went to elementary school in Philadelphia (and, for a year and a half, Lower Merion, a suburb) in the years 1942-1950 (K-8) and I never heard of anybody ever getting corporally punished so I assume it was forbidden.
According to Wikipedia corporal punishment was not illegal in Pennsylvania in the 1940s or any other state except New Jersey ("In 1867 New Jersey became the first U.S. state to abolish corporal punishment in schools. The second was Massachusetts 104 years later in 1971." That doesn't mean it might not have been against local ordinance or against the policies of a given school.
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Old 08-12-2011, 10:29 PM
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It was forbidden in my district and in most public school districts in Ohio when I started elementary school in the 1990s. (Corporal punishment was legal in Ohio public schools as recently as 2009, but the state added all kinds of hurdles in the early 90s, leading to all but around ten (out of more than 600) districts abolishing corporal punishment by the time it was banned in all public schools.)

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Old 08-12-2011, 10:33 PM
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Rural Indiana, early 70s. Corporal punishment was administered freely. They called them "swats". Got it twice in grade school and once in high school. Don't remember the offense except the first time in grade school was for throwing snow balls at cars on the road going past the school.
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Australia in the late 70's. They used a cricket bat on the ass and for serious offenses a cane to the fingers of your upturned had. I thought I was going to get it once (I can't remember why) but the teacher was a cool guy and we just went to his office and shot the shit until lunch was over.

I finished high school in the US in the early 80's and it was unheard of in my school district. It was inconceivable to students and teachers that you could get whacked across the fingertips with a cane several times with no repercussions.
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Hell no. The idea of corporal punishment in school would have been outrageous. (Public schools in New Jersey: Kindergarten started in 1990, graduated high school in 2003.)

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Old 08-13-2011, 01:03 AM
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Yes - a leather strap on the open palm: one "swish" for minor infractions, ranging up to "six of the best" for very serious misbehaviour. Towards the end of the 1970s miscreants were offered a choice of the strap or after-school detention. Nearly everyone continued to take the strap. It was much quicker.

I had it only once.

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South Carolina ......it didn't matter because she would go get the gym teacher to blister some rear end.

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SC here too. I had totally forgotten about having the gym teacher do the dirty work. I think the gym teachers were perv's. The worst I got was whacks with the strap wearing those thin school issue gym shorts in 7th grade. (we were supposed to be running laps and cut gym and went to the store across the street and bought candy)

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Old 08-13-2011, 05:51 AM
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UK, state primary school, 1977: threatened with a slipper for soaping the toilets. But never actually hit.
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Old 08-13-2011, 06:34 AM
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UK state primary school about 1977 (hi jjimm!), I had a smack on the hand with a ruler for 'reclaiming' my confiscated toy from the teacher's desk during break.

I remember two very bad boys getting caned in my state junior school in about 1980.

No corporal punishment at my private high school in the 1980s, but don't recall if it had become illegal or just wasn't school policy. (it was an all girls school, we were nice girls).

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Old 08-13-2011, 07:51 AM
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Pakistan. Private School. 2002. Got the cane; threw another boy out of a window (he was annoying me.). .
A few paddles for defenestration seems fair.

I got the cuts a few times in school. Across the hands with a cane.

I started school late fifties but this would have been around 1961 I guess.
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I graduated from an Ohio public high school in 1993. Corporal punishment was still an option in our school system, but I never heard of it being used. The last time I heard of it was in the 6th grade, so ... 1987?

I never needed it. I was that kid that cried if the teacher yelled.
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Lived various places in my youth. There was no CP in NY or Oregon, but there was in Austin Texas circa 1984. My Mom rescinded permission when another mother told her that her son got punished for "being in a fight" that consisted of a bully picking on him Not that I got CP at home anyway.

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So... what keeps you in check now?
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Old 08-13-2011, 10:09 AM
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Upstate NY public school in the 80s and early 90s and no CP was used there.
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So... what keeps you in check now?
(a) I'm an adult, the belt 'woke me up' so to speak, so I don't do stupid stuff anymore. (b) I learned from my brothers mistakes to respect and fear the police, he came extremely close to being locked up in prison, having two strikes and all after turning 18, it just took one more and he'd have been out (or in to be exact). When an officer gives you an order, the best thing to do is obey as quick and calm as possible, I've only twice had to even talk to an officer, (1) when I opened my truck door into his GF's car (whoa was that a mistake), (2) when my brother made a right turn into a YMCA in a bad neighborhood without a turn signal (I'm still learning from my bro's stupidity, he's just that dumb ).
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It's a nice summer's day, and I plan to relax with some friends and put back a couple of brewskis. It would be nice if my SDMB workload were light on such a nice day, so if y'all keep the tone conversational and not turn this into yet another corporal punishment debate that I'll have to move to Great Debates, I'd be happier than cat chasing a fat squirrel around a tree.
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My H.S. gym teacher had a mean tennis backhand and a paddle. He'd allow students to work off demerits by accepting swats. The alternative was a lower citizenship grade. I just assumed that a lower citizenship grade mattered so little in PE that I never gave a damn. Come to think about it, that teacher was pretty much a bone head anyway.
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My elementary school had it when I was there in 1982-86. I think the principal used a paddle, although I never got spanked so I wasn't sure. My middle school and high school did not have spankings.
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Yes, we had the tawse (a leather strap) in both my primary and secondary schools. I was at school in Scotland from 1973 to 1985, but it was outlawed a couple of years before I finished. Had it a few times, for minor enough things like getting a fit of the giggles, or not stopping talking. One time I got 3 on each hand when I didn't actually do what I was accused of, which still rankles a bit (squashing someone else's pottery in art class, whereas I was actually trying to show my classmate how to repair the damage caused by someone else, grrr). Some teachers definitely did it with more joy than sorrow.
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Old 08-13-2011, 02:59 PM
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My junior high and senior high schools both used CP. But only until the kid was big enough or mean enough to fight back (late 60's/early 70's).

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English, went to a Grammar school, which was by competitive entry.

I was brought up in a "Sink "estate, lots of people on welfare, petty crime the norm.

I received corporal punishment on several occasions, as did my mates .

We got a very thick cane across the part of the hand just below the fingers.

The pain made us feel sick and unable to function for a while, and we used to go to the toilets and compress our hands for about half an hour to try and ameliorate the pain.

We never felt badly about being punished, do the crime,do the time, as it were.

And it most certainly DID stop us from committing further infractions, but not totally.

If we were only going to get detentions etc. we would have been totally out of control.

We were intelligent, self motivated and imaginative.

It was ALWAYS recorded, the offence, the number of strokes etc.

We always jeered at schools that caned people with thin "Whippy "canes.

In our school the cane was the punishment used to enforce lower punishments.

Didn't do "lines", (Writing again and again I must not answer back in your own time)
Then you get detention.

on't turn up for detention ?

You get the message.

I saw some hardened bullies completely change after being caned for bullying.

Yes there are some psychopaths who any amount of physical punishment won't change their ways.

I never, NEVER, saw anyone become more violent because of receiving physical punishment.

I think that where cause and effect gets confused, is with those who have had a gentler life,when concerned with the home and the family.

My father was a violent, alcoholic psycopath .

He used to regulary beat, very badly us kids, and our mum, when he was drunk.

Which was virtually every night.

He was a sadist who actually enjoyed dishing out he beatings, and used to make up excuses to do so.

Even as a victim of this I knew the difference between his actions and genuine punishment.

But unfortunatelty there are those who can't differentiate between the two, and think that any sort of physical punishment brutalises the victim and then turns them into a sadist.

God protect the kids from these well wishers.
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It's a nice summer's day, and I plan to relax with some friends and put back a couple of brewskis. It would be nice if my SDMB workload were light on such a nice day, so if y'all keep the tone conversational and not turn this into yet another corporal punishment debate that I'll have to move to Great Debates, I'd be happier than cat chasing a fat squirrel around a tree.
Peace out.
DAMN YOU SPAWN FROM HELL !

Have a nice pint !
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