Grimm

[twickster]

Originally Posted by Nobody

I would have melted, or at least attempted to melt, the coins if I was Nick.

Why?

[Nobody]

The coins are nothing but trouble. The possess just about everybody that gets their hands on them. They're too dangerous to allow to exist.

[Paranoid Randroid]

Originally Posted by Johnny Q

There was definitely a One Ring type of aspect to the coins. I wonder what effect taking them away will have on Nick's partner and The Captain. I doubt they'll get over it quickly.

I dunno. It seemed to take Hank only an evening to get more or less back to normal. Not to say there wouldn’t be ramifications if he found the opportunity to acquire the coins again, but I suspect in day-to-day matters he’ll be just fine. The fae creatures seemed to have a much harder time with obsession; maybe there’s a Sam Gamgee kinda thing going on?

Admit I was kind of surprised to see the captain fall for it so hard. Up to now he’s seemed pretty canny, and I would’ve thought he’d at least recognize what’s going on well enough to take precautions (or at least fight against it).

I agree with the candidates for groan-worthy moments: the Hitler reveal, Monroe just happening to have notice and have experience with the camera …

[lindsaybluth]

Julia, Nick's girlfriend, is really confusing me.

I swear when she was staring off into space last episode, it seemed like she was contemplating "do I stay or do I go now?"

And what's up with holding onto the ring for months and not proposing? I get that he's under a lot of stress but she's gotta wonder WTF is going on. She can't just chalk it all up to the aunt. Although perhaps she's extra-understanding this episode with the whole aunt thing.

Do we know if the aunt's ex-fiance was being truthful? He did try and run off with the coins. Or was he trying to keep them safe? I can't tell if 1) he was telling the truth about the aunt and 2) if he's a good guy now. I'm leaning towards a combination: that he was with Nick's aunt and was a good guy but now he's a bad guy since he's handled the coins and isn't impervious to their effects.

And we need more Monroe. LOTS more.

[Nobody]

The coin shop owner didn't seem to have delusions of grandeur. I'm wondering if he was a Grimm, or if he just never came into physical contact with the coins (until he ate them).

[Johnny Q]

Originally Posted by Paranoid Randroid

I dunno. It seemed to take Hank only an evening to get more or less back to normal. Not to say there wouldn’t be ramifications if he found the opportunity to acquire the coins again, but I suspect in day-to-day matters he’ll be just fine. The fae creatures seemed to have a much harder time with obsession; maybe there’s a Sam Gamgee kinda thing going on?

Admit I was kind of surprised to see the captain fall for it so hard. Up to now he’s seemed pretty canny, and I would’ve thought he’d at least recognize what’s going on well enough to take precautions (or at least fight against it).

I agree with the candidates for groan-worthy moments: the Hitler reveal, Monroe just happening to have notice and have experience with the camera …

The captain had more of a desire to dominate, being the local Fairy Prince and all. Because the coins dig into his desire for what he wants anyway, they dig incredibly deep and he doesn't realize that it's not all his idea.

Hank, on the other hand just wants to go out and beat up bad guys, so he gets magical Roid Rage.

The coins seem to work by blocking out the rational inhibitions their victims minds that tell them acting on these desires is not necessarily a good thing, and seriously jacking up said desires at the same time.

[twickster]

Originally Posted by Nobody

The coin shop owner didn't seem to have delusions of grandeur. I'm wondering if he was a Grimm, or if he just never came into physical contact with the coins (until he ate them).

He kept them in the lead-lined case that Nick stole from the evidence locker to put them in when he got them.

[MsJinx]

IIRC, Aunt Marie's former beau asked how long ago she died, and Nick's answer was 'Four months'. This is a heck of a lot of strange cases popping up in a four month period. What # episode was this? The average would be 2-3/month?

I worried that Monroe was acting suspicious in the trailer, and would show some hint of being untrustworthy. I wondered if even touching the coins, like Nick did, left some whiff of them that another creature could sniff out. Probably not a good idea to hide them there in the treasure trove of Grimm paraphernalia in a lightly secured environment.

So it's been four months since Nick bought the ring, and if he was planning to give it to Juliette on their anniversary but was delayed...did he give it to her? I didn't notice if she was wearing it in this episode. IRL, some men notice something like that immediately, so maybe someone else noticed it.

There was a closeup of Juliette's face in the scene when they were talking about her checking out the details of Nick's parents' crash. The camera seemed to focus on her when she made a face, and I wondered if she was trying to prevent a change. But maybe a closeup is just a closeup.

[TBG]

Originally Posted by Nobody

I would have melted, or at least attempted to melt, the coins if I was Nick.

Yeah, but how's he gonna get to Mordor from Portland?

The Hitler thing... the coins on his jacket was nice and creepy, but him turning into a vessen... oy vay. Actually makes him seem less monsterous, somehow.

[TheTerribleTako]

I literally lol-ed when Hitler turned into a blutbad. I don't think that was the reaction the writers wanted. Grimm manages to be so ridiculous at times, and yet I still keep watching. I'm not sure why. It has this weirdly addictive quality to it. I also feel like I should take a shot every time a local Portland product or place is named or seen onscreen.

Did anyone else catch the "giant sausage" line from Monroe about the giant eagle wessen? Maybe it's because I have a dirty mind, but that was on my mind when they revealed the relationship between Colt and Aunt Marie. Good for you, Aunt Marie.

[simster]

Are you sure Hitler was a blutbad? I was getting the impression he was the same vessen the spaniard was - you know, the 'baby eaters' - but I wasn't entirely sure - .

[MsJinx]

The NBC Grimm site says"Three Europeans, Hans, Soledad and Yuri, prepare for a jewelry heist. Hans, Yuri and Soledad are all Shakals, or Grimm jackal creatures. ", but Nick identied Soledad as something different. I don't think shakal had been encountered before, or shown from the book, so it's strange that the official network site would include it in the episode guide.

The episode title: was the jeweler the fuchsbau, since he had the three coins 'in' him?And he was able to resist the call of the coins, knowing all he had to do was take them out of the box?

I wonder if other real life characters will be suspected of having one of the other 7 coins. Donald Trump comes to mind. Or some historic villian.

I agree that Hitler didn't look like the blutbads shown previously, but it is hard sometimes to see what they are or how much of their human features are still recognizable after the change for some of them.

Hitler's hair reminded me of a badger, but he was so evil there has to be some new monster created to account for him

[MsJinx]

I was wrong - the thieves were described as shakals. I don't know why I didn't interpret what I heard to the written word. Realized it too late to edit.

[TheTerribleTako]

Originally Posted by simster

Are you sure Hitler was a blutbad? I was getting the impression he was the same vessen the spaniard was - you know, the 'baby eaters' - but I wasn't entirely sure - .

You know, I'm not entirely sure either. I always have trouble telling the different vessens apart. I just took another look and he definitely has a werewolfy look to him with the extra sideburns and fanged teeth. We might need to get a second (or third) opinion on this.

Here is a link with a video for those curious: http://io9.com/5890385/grimm-reveals...-true-identity

[Scubaqueen]

Originally Posted by twickster

He kept them in the lead-lined case that Nick stole from the evidence locker to put them in when he got them.

I had to groan when I saw Nick pick them up bare-handed!! Grimm or not, he'd seen what the things did to other people - and his partner was wearing gloves when HE picked them up. Why take the risk?

[Oy!]

Originally Posted by TBG

Yeah, but how's he gonna get to Mordor from Portland?

This was my thought: 'He should melt those suckers down. Yeah, but doesn't he need Oroduin to do it?'

Kolt did say that Grimms were more resistant than most to their effects.

I hope they bring Kolt back. It's not clear as to whether or not he was involved in the death of Nick's parents. Think about it. If you were Aunt Marie in 1994, wouldn't a father figure for your orphaned nephew be a good thing? Unless that father-figure was, unfortunately, one of those responsible for the death of his parents?

But. Kolt struck me as a guardian figure, perhaps one that had failed, but who was still trying. I mean, what if someone had told Aragorn to forget about the Ring? He couldn't; it was his greatest task, but he could have fallen to it. Kolt may or may not have been trying to protect the world from the effects of the coins, and he may or may not have become addicted to them himself. The fact that he clearly knew the schakals (jackals, btw) quite well doesn't speak well for him, but then guardians often have to be comfortable in the underworld:

Originally Posted by Bilbo Baggins

All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

[Barking Dog]

[quote=Oy!;14838062 If you were Aunt Marie in 1994, wouldn't a father figure for your orphaned nephew be a good thing? Unless that father-figure was, unfortunately, one of those responsible for the death of his parents?
[/QUOTE]

Quite what I was thinking. It's been awhile, but if I recall Aunt Marie had a kind of "all fairy-tale-creatures are evil" sort of mentality going on. Which would rather
cast doubt on Kolt's story, yea? It would mean either he was straight lying, because she'd never fall for a non-human; or he betrayed her in some way (such as killing her family maybe?) and thus encouraging a sea-change and a hatred of FTC's.

[MsJinx]

The bees also told him they were there to help him, warn him, something that indicated they were good. Did the journals give any hint that they could be useful, or not always bad?

I wonder if Aunt Marie didn't give Harley a chance to explain. Maybe it looked like he was involved, but really wasn't.

[simster]

Could also be that her Grimm power did not kick in until their death(s) and it was only after that that she realized he was a mother flocker and shooed him away.

[Nobody]

Originally Posted by MsJinx

The bees also told him they were there to help him, warn him, something that indicated they were good.

That reminds me. The queen bee wanted to warn Nick that something big was headed his way and that he is in danger. But the writers seemed to drop that.

And I doubt it's that one guy what wants to kill him but got his ear cut off by the captain.

[TBG]

There's also the way she raised Nick completely ignorant of the whole Grimm thing. If she'd kept Birdy McSmokemonster around, Nick would've probably glommed onto the whole "holy shit monsters are real!" thing sooner.

[Saltire]

I wasn't too happy with how fast Hank bought into the coins causing him and the Captain to start acting strange. He shouldn't be so willing to believe in magic, even if it's presented as the impurities in the gold.

[Nobody]

Originally Posted by Saltire

I wasn't too happy with how fast Hank bought into the coins causing him and the Captain to start acting strange. He shouldn't be so willing to believe in magic, even if it's presented as the impurities in the gold.

1. He and the captain both acted strangely.
2. The thing they had in common was the coins.
3. There's documentation saying that that the coins should not be touched.

He wasn't buying into magic, he was buying into some weird chemical reaction. And even though it's very unlikely, there really isn't an alternate explanation.

[Invisible Chimp]

Originally Posted by Nobody

That reminds me. The queen bee wanted to warn Nick that something big was headed his way and that he is in danger. But the writers seemed to drop that.

And I doubt it's that one guy what wants to kill him but got his ear cut off by the captain.

The captain's blonde monster was a part of that plot too. She seems to have disappeared. I thought she was going to be to the captain what Monroe is to Nick, but I guess not.

[Nobody]

Originally Posted by Invisible Chimp

The captain's blonde monster was a part of that plot too. She seems to have disappeared. I thought she was going to be to the captain what Monroe is to Nick, but I guess not.

She's a Hexenbiest. I guess she's a reoccurring character and not part of the main cast. Unless the writers decide to drop her character too then hopefully she'll be back.

[Helena]

Blonde lady (Adalind Schade) will be back, and Jessica Tuck will be playing her mother.

[N9IWP]

No discussion on the Mar 9 episode? Ms Panabaker played an interesting character, and Monroe finally meets Juliette. Sounds like next week we will find out more about Renard.

Brian

[Helena]

"Next week" is unfortunately March 30. (Boooo!)

[Nobody]

Not a bad episode. I guess the daughter dragon living means Nick has someone to still worry about.

And I wonder if Juliette is human after all. I was thinking they'll eventually reveal her to be something, but if she was I think Monroe would have been able to smell it. But maybe not.

It's nice that we'll finally get to see what the captain is up to.

I'm wondering if the aunt never told Nick about his heritage because she wants to break with tradition. It seems that the vessen that hold on to the old ways don't do so well. So maybe by not having Nick be like all the other Grimms she was hoping to change things for the better. Or maybe I'm over thinking things. It will be kind of interesting to see.

[Nobody]

Originally Posted by Helena

"Next week" is unfortunately March 30. (Boooo!)

I missed that. Grimm is helping me fill the void left by the break Fringe is taking. I've already given up on Once Upon a Time. Now what's left?

[Invisible Chimp]

Originally Posted by Nobody

Not a bad episode. I guess the daughter dragon living means Nick has someone to still worry about.

And I wonder if Juliette is human after all. I was thinking they'll eventually reveal her to be something, but if she was I think Monroe would have been able to smell it. But maybe not.

It's nice that we'll finally get to see what the captain is up to.

I'm wondering if the aunt never told Nick about his heritage because she wants to break with tradition. It seems that the vessen that hold on to the old ways don't do so well. So maybe by not having Nick be like all the other Grimms she was hoping to change things for the better. Or maybe I'm over thinking things. It will be kind of interesting to see.

Forget the dragon lady for a moment, what about the alleged Reaper that beheaded the Grimm in Germany? I can never get enough Monroe. I never thought that Juliette was anything but human. It's kinda boring this way, but if she was a creature, it would have been cliché. I like your thinking about breaking with tradition.

Originally Posted by Nobody

I missed that. Grimm is helping me fill the void left by the break Fringe is taking. I've already given up on Once Upon a Time. Now what's left?

I thought Once Upon A Time was clearly the better show early, but Grimm has improved. I'm still watching both shows.

EDIT: fixed autocorrect.

[Tangent]

I thought this was one of the best Grimm episodes yet. The dragon people were actually kind of neat, as far as murderous were-creatures go. The daughter dragon made a good villain--I hope we see her again. I like Juliette so I hope they aren't going to kill her off or have her leave Nick.

Looks like we'll see the Hexenbiest lawyer woman again in the next episode.

[Nobody]

Originally Posted by Invisible Chimp

Forget the dragon lady for a moment, what about the alleged Reaper that beheaded the Grimm in Germany?

Well, reapers kill grimms. It's what they do. Although, seeing as how there are reapers in Portland who haven't tried to kill Nick, I'm betting they're part of the organization the captain wants Nick to join.
Maybe the reaper that killed the German grimm is what the queen bee was trying to warn Nick about.

By the way, I think that's a bad pun, grimm reaper. And I usually like bad puns.

I like your thinking about breaking with tradition.

Thank you.

I thought Once Upon A Time was clearly the better show early, but Grimm has improved. I'm still watching both shows.

Nothing wrong with Once Upon a Time, but it just couldn't sustain my interest.

[twickster]

Whaddya think, will it be renewed for next year?

[Tangent]

FWIW, TVbytheNumbers currently has Grimm listed as "certain to be renewed."

[twickster]

Originally Posted by Tangent

FWIW, TVbytheNumbers currently has Grimm listed as "certain to be renewed."

**like**

[Nobody]

It's a pretty decent show, although now that they're getting more into the story arc I'm hoping it will get better.

[pikkdogs]

I really loved that last episode. That young dragon lady, Dameonfuhrer or whatever they call them, enters the story at the right time.

She is just like Cat Woman, the whole kind of bad, but kind of good thing, and the love interest with the hero. I love Cat Woman, and she is a good copy. Part of me really wants to see the main character get with her. His girl friend, although hot herself, has just been boring, whiny, and always complains. They should either give her a 3D character, or just drop her.

Does anyone know who played the dragon lady? She was really hot.

[Tangent]

Originally Posted by Invisible Chimp

I thought Once Upon A Time was clearly the better show early, but Grimm has improved. I'm still watching both shows.

I'm watching both, too, and I like both of them. They are obviously pretty different shows in terms of tone and scope (and budget) so I think comparisons must be made with that in mind. I do think OUAT does a better job of mixing in episodic stories along with the overall mythology and the serial storylines involving the
Queen, Snow, Charming, Rumpelstiltskin, Emma, and Henry. I hope Grimm starts showing us more episodes that deal with the backstory of the Grimms and the wesen.

[It's Not Rocket Surgery!]

Both shows have characters who are not the title characters but are, by far, the most interesting characters on their respective shows, in Monroe and Rumpelstiltskin/Mr. Gold.

I'd watch a spinoff of either one.

[Helena]

From this interview with Bitsie Tulloch (Juliette):

As I mentioned before, episode 16 is really, really fascinating. It’s an episode coming up that really breaks away from the mold in a way that I think some fans have really been craving which is there’s a lot less of the procedural and a lot more of sort of character building and the relationship and that stuff in the episode.

And you have the great subplot of — or main plot rather — of the monster and Nick having to solve it but it’s not sort of in the mold of the procedural and everything. It even takes place somewhere a little bit far away from that. And I think – I’m very excited to see how the fans react to that episode and hopefully they’ll like it and it sells and I think that that will probably give the writers a little bit more freedom to write a little bit more of that kind of stuff. So I’m looking forward to that.

[pricciar]

I didn't like the Hitler thing from the episode before last. My first thought was "Wow. A show has been godwinized and jumped the shark at the same exact time!" Well, neither was true, but it made me snicker. But, really it sort of encapsulates a small problem I have with the show. Every villain is a creature. No regular human is ever shown to be evil. Monster of the week is a problem with these type of shows, and this is literally what this show has been. I think I would prefer to have some episodes that focus on Grimm's overreaching story ark, and less on whatever monster he is chasing. On top of that, let's see some regular scumbag human beings to mix things up.

On a good note. I thought the last couple of episodes were very good (aside from the Hitler bit.) They introduced a couple of characters who seem to have a possibility for an interesting return. (I like the Cat Woman comparison. Rings true to me.) And, as always, Munroe has been awesome. And, the lead actor has grown on me as the episodes have gone on.

I didn't like the girlfriend being so put off by the Grimm not returning home in time for dinner. It didn't seem like it made sense in the context of living with a (tv) cop boyfriend. So, I think they did a much better job of explaining her aggravation with the kidnapping this episode. I don't think she can control being pissed off about being kidnapped by hot chicks.

[simster]

Originally Posted by pricciar

I didn't like the Hitler thing from the episode before last. My first thought was "Wow. A show has been godwinized and jumped the shark at the same exact time!" Well, neither was true, but it made me snicker. But, really it sort of encapsulates a small problem I have with the show. Every villain is a creature. No regular human is ever shown to be evil. Monster of the week is a problem with these type of shows, and this is literally what this show has been. I think I would prefer to have some episodes that focus on Grimm's overreaching story ark, and less on whatever monster he is chasing. On top of that, let's see some regular scumbag human beings to mix things up.

On a good note. I thought the last couple of episodes were very good (aside from the Hitler bit.) They introduced a couple of characters who seem to have a possibility for an interesting return. (I like the Cat Woman comparison. Rings true to me.) And, as always, Munroe has been awesome. And, the lead actor has grown on me as the episodes have gone on.

I didn't like the girlfriend being so put off by the Grimm not returning home in time for dinner. It didn't seem like it made sense in the context of living with a (tv) cop boyfriend. So, I think they did a much better job of explaining her aggravation with the kidnapping this episode. I don't think she can control being pissed off about being kidnapped by hot chicks.

The villian from the missing girl episode was a run of the mill human monster - the victim was a vessen (young blutbad).

Actually - ALL of the villians from that episode were human (the drug grower at the beginning, the two brothers that went avenging).

[pikkdogs]

-Nah If I wanna see human criminals I will watch junk like CSI. This is more of a science fiction show, let's see some science fiction stuff.

-Yeah that Hitler thing was really weird. On one hand it was very chilling to watch it, but on the other it was really weird. It seems like they could have handled that better. It was supposed to come off as really dramatic, but it just came off as weird.

[pricciar]

Originally Posted by simster

The villian from the missing girl episode was a run of the mill human monster - the victim was a vessen (young blutbad).

Actually - ALL of the villians from that episode were human (the drug grower at the beginning, the two brothers that went avenging).

Good point. I'm totally wrong. There's also the episode where the high school creature kid is a bullied and gets framed by regular human kids.

[Helena]

Just saw the news--season 2 is a go! (Yay!)

They're on hiatus right now, then coming back with a three-episode arc on March 30, then one more week off, and then should be a straight run till the end.

[twickster]

Link for the skeptics -- it's definitely been renewed.

[Tangent]

Good news!

[dropzone]

Originally Posted by twickster

Whaddya think, will it be renewed for next year?

Yep.

http://www.tvline.com/2012/03/grimm-season-2-renewed/

[Tangent]

I don't suppose you happened to look two posts above yours?