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Old 01-22-2012, 09:10 PM
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Fishy mangoes

I do enjoy mangoes. A good mango is a delicious treat, and mango salsa with fish is a divine meal.

Having said that, 90% of the mangoes I eat have at least a very, very slight fishy flavor to them, for at least a taste or two. On occasion, one will taste positively piscine. Now, my search of the web has uncovered others that share this experience.

My question: how many of you out there note this phenomenon also?

Also, for the food chemists: Has the chemical responsible for this been identified?
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Old 01-22-2012, 09:12 PM
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Hmmmm. I'm a pretty big fan of mangoes and eat them fairly regularly, but I've never noted a fishy flavor.
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Old 01-22-2012, 09:50 PM
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I've noticed a fishy taste. It's very pronounced in frozen mangoes. I enjoy having a smoothie in the AM, and I use frozen fruit because I enjoy the slushie/milkshake quality. I won't use frozen mangoes, because of the fishy aroma/taste.

Frozen peaches are typically too sour, but if you use a glug of caramel sauce in the smoothie, they are DIVINE.


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Old 01-22-2012, 11:14 PM
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Dried mangoes often taste conspicuously fishy as well. Data point.
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Old 01-22-2012, 11:37 PM
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I've never experienced that. Fresh, frozen, or dried. One of my favorite snacks is dried chili mangoes. Interesting. People who detect this, how's your take on cilantro? I wonder if it could be a related taste bud thing, like cilantro is lemony/peppery to me, not soapy.
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Old 01-22-2012, 11:40 PM
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I cannot say I've noticed a fishy flavor in mangos.
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Old 01-23-2012, 12:15 AM
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I eat mangos often (being in southeast asia they are plentiful and cheap) and have never noticed this.
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Old 01-23-2012, 12:15 AM
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I've never experienced that. Fresh, frozen, or dried. One of my favorite snacks is dried chili mangoes. Interesting. People who detect this, how's your take on cilantro? I wonder if it could be a related taste bud thing, like cilantro is lemony/peppery to me, not soapy.
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Old 01-23-2012, 02:27 AM
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Cilantro, BLEAH.


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Old 01-23-2012, 06:54 AM
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Like cilantro, like mangoes. Have not noticed fishy taste in mangoes.

Fresh sliced mangoes (or papayas) drizzled with lime juice - yum. Maybe that counteracts fishieness? Trader Joes sells dried chili chocolate-covered mango slices. Fabulous.
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Old 01-23-2012, 01:36 PM
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Darn you all, now I'm craving a fresh mango. The ones I can get in the local stores now won't do. I wonder what the closest location is that I can get a just-picked perfectly ripe mango?
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Old 01-23-2012, 02:25 PM
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Darn you all, now I'm craving a fresh mango. The ones I can get in the local stores now won't do. I wonder what the closest location is that I can get a just-picked perfectly ripe mango?
You may have to wait til November.

Here's the problem with mangoes in the US - when they're imported, they're treated for plant pests by... dunking them in boiling water. So every imported mango has a bit of the cooked flavour which I associate with mango chutney, mango jam, etc. - nice, but not fresh mango.

November, however, heralds the season of the Keitt mango. They're grown in Florida and even (heavens!) southern California. Which means I get LOCAL(ish) fresh mangoes for about a month. I may have gone completely overboard last season; I believe I bought, and consumed, over 50 mangoes that month. I didn't even process any for freezing, although frozen mango is, in its own way, wonderful.

Also, just because they're fresh, local, even in season, doesn't mean that they're ripe when you buy them. Trust your nose, and only cut into them when you're sure. Keitts stay quite green when ripe, so don't wait for the colour to change.

Re: fishyness, some varieties of mango have a turpentiney smell/flavour. There's even a cultivar called Turpentine. Maybe some similar phytochemicals give a fishy flavour? It's not something I've ever encountered.

In northern Australia, the Bowen (AKA Kensington Pride) and R2E2 are common orchard varieties. For backyard trees, smaller varieties are preferred, like the Irwin, which also have very pretty red skin.

I love mangoes! Bring on November!
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Old 01-23-2012, 03:19 PM
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I haven't noticed a fishy flavor, but I don't eat fresh mango, because it tastes like mold to me. Cooked is fine. Raw tastes moldy.
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Old 01-23-2012, 03:27 PM
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Turpentine, eh? I haven't tasted that in a while. Have to get a bottle of terpin hydrate expectorant and take a whiff. See how it compares to my mango experience.

I am reassured at least that there are others out there who taste the 'fishy' aspect of mangoes, and I'm grateful that it so minimally intrudes on my enjoyment of them.

I will note for the record that I do taste a tiny bit of 'soapy' flavor in cilantro, but otherwise love the stuff.
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Old 01-23-2012, 03:35 PM
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Try the slices in the jar (brand Del Monte) located in the refrigerated produce section of the grocery store.

Never noticed any turpentine-y taste. The fishy taste is more pronounced in the frozen slices.

The big Mexican papaya flat out STINKS.


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Old 01-23-2012, 05:21 PM
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I will note for the record that I do taste a tiny bit of 'soapy' flavor in cilantro, but otherwise love the stuff.
That's funny - cilantro doesn't taste the least bit "soapy" to me but sometimes fresh mangoes (perhaps the riper ones) have a sort of mild perfumey-soapy taste, which is why the lime juice is nice. It cuts the sweetness.

araminty, thanks for the explainer!
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Old 01-23-2012, 05:57 PM
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Mangoes never have tasted fishy to me but less ripe mangoes (when they are almost crunchy) taste very different than ripe ones and I like both. Ripe Mangoes taste like Mangoes but less ripe Mangoes taste almost like carrots to me. Sweet carrots.
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Old 01-23-2012, 08:23 PM
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Are they roly poly?

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Old 01-24-2012, 12:56 PM
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You may have to wait til November.

Here's the problem with mangoes in the US - when they're imported, they're treated for plant pests by... dunking them in boiling water. So every imported mango has a bit of the cooked flavour which I associate with mango chutney, mango jam, etc. - nice, but not fresh mango.

November, however, heralds the season of the Keitt mango. They're grown in Florida and even (heavens!) southern California. Which means I get LOCAL(ish) fresh mangoes for about a month. I may have gone completely overboard last season; I believe I bought, and consumed, over 50 mangoes that month. I didn't even process any for freezing, although frozen mango is, in its own way, wonderful.

Also, just because they're fresh, local, even in season, doesn't mean that they're ripe when you buy them. Trust your nose, and only cut into them when you're sure. Keitts stay quite green when ripe, so don't wait for the colour to change.

Re: fishyness, some varieties of mango have a turpentiney smell/flavour. There's even a cultivar called Turpentine. Maybe some similar phytochemicals give a fishy flavour? It's not something I've ever encountered.

In northern Australia, the Bowen (AKA Kensington Pride) and R2E2 are common orchard varieties. For backyard trees, smaller varieties are preferred, like the Irwin, which also have very pretty red skin.

I love mangoes! Bring on November!
I'll have to look for those Keitts; thanks! I ate a mango once called a "champagne mango" that was delicious. I think they are from Mexico, so I guess they are probably steam-cleaned too.

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Old 01-24-2012, 07:11 PM
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Mangoes don't taste fishy to me, but I don't like them. Some people I know can't eat them, because if any mango skin touches their lips, they break out into a poison ivy type rash. That hasn't happened to me yet, but I still feel wary of mangoes, as well as not being so fond of the taste. I prefer papaya. Though I've had some wonderful mango salsa. Oh, and I love cilantro, no soapy taste, just a wonderful herbal freshness that tastes like the breath of life to me.
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Old 01-25-2012, 11:23 PM
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I replied earlier but a few more tastes have come up:
Cilantro: love it but recognize the soapiness;
Mangos: no fishy flavor but sometimes note a piney turpentine-y taste.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:14 AM
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Yes, I've notice this

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I do enjoy mangoes. A good mango is a delicious treat, and mango salsa with fish is a divine meal.

Having said that, 90% of the mangoes I eat have at least a very, very slight fishy flavor to them, for at least a taste or two. On occasion, one will taste positively piscine. Now, my search of the web has uncovered others that share this experience.

My question: how many of you out there note this phenomenon also?

Also, for the food chemists: Has the chemical responsible for this been identified?
I've returned dry fruit before, then not bought any for awhile and forgotten. I notice it in mangoes and papaya. Just bought some tonight, enjoyed the pineapple, bit into the mango and spit it out. Tried another piece to be sure. That's why I went online to see if others experience this. So glad to find you. I would love for the food chemists to explain this--how do we find them? There's a chef who just put out four hardbound books on food chemistry (and I saw a $40 single "condensed" hardcover at Costco) but all that is too much for me to buy. Hope we find out.
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Old 11-05-2012, 07:12 AM
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I have also noticed a pine-y taste in mangos before. Glad I wasn't the only one! Never noticed a fishy taste but mangos aren't in season around here long enough to get many good ones.
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Old 11-05-2012, 08:09 AM
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Despite being a great lover of fruits and vegetables, Mangoes continue to be an exception, though to me they taste unpleasantly like meat, rather than fish.

Many years ago Coca Cola relased a new flavour of Lilt ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilt ) which judging by Wikipedia must have been 'Mandarin & Mango' flavoured, and I remember being appalled at its meaty taste - like a carbonated pork Bovril. But no-one seemed to agree with me.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:14 PM
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I understand that ethylene is used to control the ripening process in mangoes. This is because mangoes are almost always harvested well before they are ripe.

I often detected a burnt kerosene smell when I used to eat mangoes while growing up in India (and I ate a lot of mangoes when in season!). And so I just looked up how to make ethylene and voila! by burning kerosene.

Making ethylene

Is that something close to what you smell? Maybe there are other ways to produce enthylene?
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Old 11-06-2012, 03:18 PM
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I have also noticed a pine-y taste in mangos before. Glad I wasn't the only one! Never noticed a fishy taste but mangos aren't in season around here long enough to get many good ones.
I invariably notice a pine-y taste in mangos, at least "normal" green mangos. Even when nice and ripe and delicious, I always get a hint of pine.

Not sure about "fishy" but I certainly notice a few off flavors in mangos.

I vastly prefer yellow / Champaigne / Manilla mangos when available; I never taste off notes in 'em. Underripe, they're merely overmild. Ripe...heaven.

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Old 10-02-2014, 04:16 PM
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Food Chemist please?

I've known some food chemists in my days, but never thought to ask them this question about fishy mangos. It is undeniable to me... as others have said, at least the first few bites. There must be a scientific explanation
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Old 10-02-2014, 04:24 PM
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I adore mangoes, eat them fresh, process and freeze them myself to use year round, in smoothies, Yummo!

I detect none of the tastes you've mentioned. And I love cilantro, too!
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Old 10-02-2014, 04:49 PM
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Oh my goodness! I eat a ton of mangos and mango products and have never noticed any of the tastes you mention. I also love cilantro.
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Old 10-02-2014, 05:09 PM
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I love mangos (sliced with fresh lime juice, or in shakes, or as a salsa, or Trader Joe's chocolate-covered dried mangos....), although here in the upper Midwest they are probably pretty old by the time they get here. The ones I've had while visiting places where they grow naturally are definitely superior.

I know what you mean about the fishy/piney/soapy taste, though..
I also really like cilantro.
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Old 10-02-2014, 05:39 PM
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I love mangos (sliced with fresh lime juice, or in shakes, or as a salsa, or Trader Joe's chocolate-covered dried mangos....), although here in the upper Midwest they are probably pretty old by the time they get here. The ones I've had while visiting places where they grow naturally are definitely superior.

I know what you mean about the fishy/piney/soapy taste, though..
I also really like cilantro.
At least you're consistent! (psst, check out your posts above from 2012!)
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Old 10-02-2014, 05:49 PM
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At least you're consistent! (psst, check out your posts above from 2012!)

Hah! Didn't notice this was a zombie. The fishy/soapy issue with mangos, weirdly enough, came up today in conversation. About how some tropical fruits taste much better when fresh, in comparison to what's on sale at Kroger or Meijers.

Too funny.
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Old 10-02-2014, 06:10 PM
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Mangoes taste vaguely of death and rot to me.

And, no, that's not a zombie thread joke. They really do. I'm learning to like them, but there's a putrescent odor that shades the flavor. Maybe that's what others are calling "fishy".

I love cilantro, although I didn't always. I can sort of see the "soap" flavor, but it's a good soap flavor. I wonder if the "soapy cilantro" gene is of incomplete dominance, and I only have one or something.
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Old 10-02-2014, 08:34 PM
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I thought I was the only person who doesn't really like mangos. Fishy, piney, rotten, astringent- they just taste off to me.

Love cilantro.
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Old 10-02-2014, 09:50 PM
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Yeah, there is a certain savory-ness to mangoes. I guess I could see calling it "fishy." But I like it. Papayas are even stronger in this regard. I don't know if it's quite the same flavor, but it's got an ever stronger funk to it that contrasts with the tropical fruitiness.
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Old 10-02-2014, 10:18 PM
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On about half of the mango's I've eaten I've noticed that putridy taste. They also seem slimier.
I figured they were old..who knows for sure when they were picked but I bet they're at least a month old.
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Old 10-03-2014, 09:47 AM
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I’m going to go out on a limb, stick my neck out and take a shot in the dark, and ask if you perhaps detect the piscine mango flavor after gutting fish, or playing with your koi?

My mangoes often taste porcine after eating Jimmy Dean sausage, equine after eating at McDonald's and feline after eating at the cheap Chinese restaurant down the street. I also feel asinine eating mangoes while riding my neighbor’s donkey.

But, seriously: I do, at times detect a fishy note to mangoes. And cilantro doesn't taste soapy to me, it tastes distinctly metallic.

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Old 10-03-2014, 10:06 AM
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There's also like a gazillion different kinds of mangoes, so some variation can be due to that, as well. (I think they have like three or four varieties at my local grocery.)
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Old 10-03-2014, 10:13 AM
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Cilantro tastes just like soap to me and I have also detected a very slight fishy smell (but not taste) to some kinds of dried mango, but not fresh mango.
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Old 10-03-2014, 11:40 AM
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I'm Indian and must have eaten a gazillion mangoes, what with them being the highlight of the summer fruits in India, but I can't say as I've ever noticed a fishy taste. Perhaps it's something in the varieties or processing that's done in the US?
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Old 10-03-2014, 12:16 PM
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I'm Indian and must have eaten a gazillion mangoes, what with them being the highlight of the summer fruits in India, but I can't say as I've ever noticed a fishy taste. Perhaps it's something in the varieties or processing that's done in the US?

I've found it in mangos outside the U.S., fresh off the tree.
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Old 10-03-2014, 12:35 PM
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Mangoes taste vaguely of death and rot to me.

And, no, that's not a zombie thread joke. They really do. I'm learning to like them, but there's a putrescent odor that shades the flavor. Maybe that's what others are calling "fishy".

I love cilantro, although I didn't always. I can sort of see the "soap" flavor, but it's a good soap flavor. I wonder if the "soapy cilantro" gene is of incomplete dominance, and I only have one or something.
Are you me? I feel exactly the same way about cilantro.

Agree also about mango, and some other tropical fruit (papaya, I think). So I just avoid them all now. Maybe they contain putrescine or similar amino acid. Tastes more like rancid sweat to me, though, not exactly fish.

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Old 10-03-2014, 12:44 PM
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Hey, I don't have enough brain today to fully evaluate these, but if you google spermidine or putrescene and mango, a lot of journal essays pop up suggesting that the fruit/plants might be sprayed with these polyamines to aid production, ripening, or as pest control. It's possible that these very aromatic compounds may contribute to the flavor we are detecting.

Anyone hungry now?
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Old 10-03-2014, 01:39 PM
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It's mango season now, look out for Keitts grown in SoCal. Delicious!
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Old 10-04-2014, 02:08 PM
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Yes, it must be different types of mangos.

A friend served fresh mango cubes over vanilla ice cream for dessert and it was ambrosia.

Tried it at home later, and the mango sort of ruined it. Yummy ice cream with cubes that
tasted like you were mopping out a dumpster with pine sol.
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