The Straight Dope

Go Back   Straight Dope Message Board > Main > Cafe Society

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #51  
Old 03-18-2012, 08:08 PM
well he's back well he's back is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
I just saw the trailer. Genius! I simply can not wait to see this movie. Making it a 70s spoof just seems brillaint to me.

PS - Why do people rag on Burton using some of the same actors over again. When other Directors use a stable of actors they really like they don't always get put down for it.
Reply With Quote
Advertisements  
  #52  
Old 03-18-2012, 08:27 PM
medstar medstar is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Alexandria, Va
Posts: 2,450
I saw the trailer a few minutes ago and it seems like fun. I immediately thought the trailer reminded me of Beetlejuice, what with the modern family discovering Barnabas Collins. I've always liked Johnny Depp and I think I'll go see this movie in the theater when it comes out.
__________________
In pursuit of truth, happiness, and the inalienable right to have a foolish opinion.
Reply With Quote
  #53  
Old 03-18-2012, 09:27 PM
Lamia Lamia is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: May 2000
When I first saw this trailer I started watching with the sound off, and for a few seconds I was thinking "Who is this actor they found who looks like Johnny Depp, only younger?" Of course it is Johnny Depp. Maybe it's the heavy makeup, or maybe he actually is a vampire, but he doesn't seem to have aged in the past 10-15 years.
Reply With Quote
  #54  
Old 03-18-2012, 10:28 PM
Morgyn Morgyn is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: In the time stream
Posts: 3,277
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kolak of Twilo View Post
Maybe it's me, but I thought the trailer was horribly unfunny. I don't know what I expected but that wasn't it.

Johnny Depp looks great though.
Johnny Depp looks about 20 years old in the trailer I saw. I fully expect someone to find a horrible oil painting of him somewhere, because, damn, no one's make up is THAT good.

And for some reason, the trailer makes me think of all the clips I've seen of the various "Scary Movie" movies.
Reply With Quote
  #55  
Old 03-18-2012, 10:46 PM
Lamia Lamia is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: May 2000
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morgyn View Post
Johnny Depp looks about 20 years old in the trailer I saw. I fully expect someone to find a horrible oil painting of him somewhere, because, damn, no one's make up is THAT good.
During my moment of confusion I wondered if the star of this movie might be Michael Pitt, who's nearly 20 years younger than Johnny Depp.
Reply With Quote
  #56  
Old 03-20-2012, 04:43 PM
Harborwolf Harborwolf is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jun 1999
Quote:
Originally Posted by RealityChuck View Post
No, it's deliberately funny. Burton is doing it as a comedy. The trailer is hilarious -- the best since Comedian

Barnabas: "How soon can the horses be ready?"
Mother: "We don't have horses. We have a Chevy."

or

Barnabas: "Reveal yourself! Tiny songstress!"

It fits perfectly with what I saw about the show when it was on, but then, my experience was limited to reading "Barnabas Collins in a Funny Vein."

I definitely want to see this. It's going to be fun.
It's funny you mentioned those jokes specifically, because those are the ones that made me want to bash in my own head with a claw hammer to make myself forget what I had just watched.

This movie honestly looks painful. Predictable jokes about how lame the seventies were (cause those have never ever been done before ever) combined with Johnny Depp in pale makeup and a funny costume.......again. It looks like a damned Adam Sandler movie that's had the lighting turned down and the sets and costumes gothed up. The trailer alone makes me think that Planet of the Apes will be relegated to being Tim Burton's second worst movie.

Maybe third worst. Burton sucked a lot of the good out of Sweeney Todd.
Reply With Quote
  #57  
Old 03-20-2012, 07:47 PM
Kolak of Twilo Kolak of Twilo is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Paris on the Prairie
Posts: 2,117
Quote:
Originally Posted by Harborwolf View Post
The trailer alone makes me think that Planet of the Apes will be relegated to being Tim Burton's second worst movie.
Jeez, I hope it isn't THAT bad.
Reply With Quote
  #58  
Old 03-21-2012, 04:03 AM
Tangent Tangent is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alessan View Post
I'm not sure it's even possible to achieve camp on purpose. Can you give me some examples?
Quote:
Originally Posted by jayjay View Post
You've never seen a John Waters film?

ETA: Actually, an even better example is Die, Mommy, Die!, a Charles Pierce (not the political/sports commentator...the female impersonator) film.
I would say Xena: Warrior Princess and other shows of that ilk are deliberately campy.
Reply With Quote
  #59  
Old 03-21-2012, 04:22 AM
MovieMogul MovieMogul is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrDibble View Post
This looks brilliant - reminds me a leeetle of Hocus Pocus.
You do see the inherent contradiction of these two statements, right?
Reply With Quote
  #60  
Old 03-21-2012, 09:51 AM
Eyebrows 0f Doom Eyebrows 0f Doom is online now
Guest
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Quote:
Originally Posted by jayjay View Post

ETA: Actually, an even better example is Die, Mommy, Die!, a Charles Pierce (not the political/sports commentator...the female impersonator) film.
Charles Busch, not Charles Pierce.
Reply With Quote
  #61  
Old 03-21-2012, 09:58 AM
well he's back well he's back is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Looks like this will be a love it/hate it - no middle ground movie. well at least the trailer is.

When does the movie come out? can't wait...
Reply With Quote
  #62  
Old 03-21-2012, 11:00 AM
jayjay jayjay is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eyebrows 0f Doom View Post
Charles Busch, not Charles Pierce.


Yes. I kept thinking there was something not QUITE right with that sentence but didn't think to verify the name.
Reply With Quote
  #63  
Old 03-21-2012, 12:18 PM
NDP NDP is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: PNW USA
Posts: 6,198
Quote:
Originally Posted by well he's back View Post
Looks like this will be a love it/hate it - no middle ground movie.
What Tim Burton movie hasn't fit into this category (aside from Planet of the Apes which seems to more loathed now than when it was in 2001)?
__________________
Can also be seen at:

Last FM Library Thing
Reply With Quote
  #64  
Old 03-21-2012, 12:19 PM
well he's back well he's back is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
good point, NDP
Reply With Quote
  #65  
Old 03-21-2012, 12:27 PM
limegreen limegreen is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Good Lord! I just watched the Dark Shadows bloopers linked to upthread. Having never seen this show in the '70s, I was gobsmacked at the people running amuck in the shots. Did they have to use one take or was this live?? Half the time the people don't even know what they're saying, and then you could hear the prompter!
I'm a high school drama teacher, and I would shoot my kids if they couldn't remember their lines better than that. It's just a whole parade of cringe-worthiness.
Reply With Quote
  #66  
Old 03-21-2012, 01:23 PM
well he's back well he's back is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
limegreen - I like Burton's comic approach as seen in the trailer. There is NO reason to take this material seriously!

PS - accding to the wikipedia (for what that's worth) the show was filmed "live-to-tape format — with almost every scene done in one take".
Reply With Quote
  #67  
Old 03-21-2012, 02:29 PM
Lasciel Lasciel is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Limegreen - for a little more background - this was a daily soap - that's one 30-minute show every single weekday - and they ran for several years like that.

So yeah - most of the writing was done hastily, the actors had sometimes less than an hour with their lines before the scenes were shot, and there were no chances for pickups or re-takes - everything had to be done fast and shot out the door for airing.

As much as I enjoyed watching the original - I stand firmly behind the inherent possibility of a funny adaptation (not saying it's going to be good, just that there's hope for it to be funny).

Furthermore, even if it makes me a tasteless hack, I will admit that I enjoyed Burton's Sweeny Todd, and (get ready to swoon!) Hocus Pocus has always been one of my favorite movies.
Reply With Quote
  #68  
Old 03-21-2012, 05:20 PM
TBG TBG is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: May 2003
Quote:
Originally Posted by elfkin477 View Post
What's with changing the genre when it comes to TV inspired movies? Dark Shadows and 21 Jump Street weren't sitcoms, so why are the movies comedies?
I blame Johnny Depp.




for the woosh impaired: because he's in the DS movie and was in the 21JS TV show (and reportedly has a cameo in the movie)
Reply With Quote
  #69  
Old 03-22-2012, 03:04 PM
punch line loser punch line loser is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
I lost a lot of respect for both Burton and Depp when I saw that trailer. They're really sinking to a new level of bad taste with this one. I can't help thinking you could replace Johnny Depp with Leslie Nielsen or Martin Lawrence with no loss of quality.
Reply With Quote
  #70  
Old 03-23-2012, 07:22 PM
TBG TBG is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: May 2003
Quote:
Originally Posted by punch line loser View Post
I lost a lot of respect for both Burton and Depp when I saw that trailer. They're really sinking to a new level of bad taste with this one. I can't help thinking you could replace Johnny Depp with Leslie Nielsen or Martin Lawrence with no loss of quality.
Leslie Nielsen would be an interesting casting choice. Can a corpse play a vampire better than a living actor? I dunno, but I bet they save money on the catering.
Reply With Quote
  #71  
Old 03-23-2012, 07:56 PM
Scumpup Scumpup is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Is David Selby still alive? If so, I wish they'd given him a cameo as well. Back in the day, Quentin had a fanbase every bit as overheated as did Barnabas.
Reply With Quote
  #72  
Old 03-23-2012, 08:38 PM
Morgyn Morgyn is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: In the time stream
Posts: 3,277
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scumpup View Post
Is David Selby still alive? If so, I wish they'd given him a cameo as well. Back in the day, Quentin had a fanbase every bit as overheated as did Barnabas.
According to IMDB, he appears in it.

[ETA: Damn. Dude's got a Ph.D!! And he's still ... rowr!]

Last edited by Morgyn; 03-23-2012 at 08:39 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #73  
Old 03-23-2012, 09:24 PM
Zsofia Zsofia is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scumpup View Post
Is David Selby still alive? If so, I wish they'd given him a cameo as well. Back in the day, Quentin had a fanbase every bit as overheated as did Barnabas.
And a major radio hit. Well, not him, but "Quentin's Theme". (Yes, it does behoove a camp TV show blogger to betroth himself to a librarian with a deep and personal knowledge of the Reader's Guide.)
Reply With Quote
  #74  
Old 03-23-2012, 11:34 PM
PapSett PapSett is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: May 2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morgyn View Post
According to IMDB, he appears in it.

[ETA: Damn. Dude's got a Ph.D!! And he's still ... rowr!]
Oh... MY! One more reason to see this movie! Rowr indeed!
Reply With Quote
  #75  
Old 03-23-2012, 11:46 PM
dangermom dangermom is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zsofia View Post
And a major radio hit. Well, not him, but "Quentin's Theme". (Yes, it does behoove a camp TV show blogger to betroth himself to a librarian with a deep and personal knowledge of the Reader's Guide.)
I just found the song on YouTube. Ye gods, it's horrible.

But David Selby...yowza.
Reply With Quote
  #76  
Old 03-26-2012, 12:29 PM
Angie1 Angie1 is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by John DiFool View Post
The original Barnabas makes a cameo too.
So does the Original Angelique, Maggie and Quentin. I read this on the Dark Shadows page.
Reply With Quote
  #77  
Old 03-26-2012, 12:31 PM
Angie1 Angie1 is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Very disappointed. I only saw some of the Original show when it was shown on SyFy. I can't believe they made a spoof movie I was expecting something much different than a dark comedy.
Reply With Quote
  #78  
Old 03-26-2012, 12:37 PM
carnivorousplant carnivorousplant is online now
Romney Voldemort 2016
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Central Arkansas
Posts: 35,370
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angie1 View Post
Very disappointed. I only saw some of the Original show when it was shown on SyFy. I can't believe they made a spoof movie I was expecting something much different than a dark comedy.
As was I.
Reply With Quote
  #79  
Old 04-03-2012, 12:31 PM
Elendil's Heir Elendil's Heir is online now
SDSAB
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Diogenes Club
Posts: 38,545
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tangent View Post
...This looks like fun--I'm in.
Likewise. I never watched the original when it was on (too mature for me at the time, I s'pose), and I feel kinda sorry for the true fans whose hearts will be broken by this comedic remake, but what the hell, I'll watch it.
Reply With Quote
  #80  
Old 04-03-2012, 03:38 PM
Loach Loach is online now
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
The whole "look how funny the 70s looked" thing has been done. I see nothing that makes me want to seek this out.
Reply With Quote
  #81  
Old 04-09-2012, 03:28 AM
Killswitch Stunner Killswitch Stunner is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Looks kinda funny. I'm really looking forward to Depp in Lone Ranger. His Tonto is wicked.
Reply With Quote
  #82  
Old 04-10-2012, 03:33 PM
Fiddle Peghead Fiddle Peghead is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Quote:
Originally Posted by jayjay View Post
...lazy writing...
Indeed. Why come up with a new idea when you can rip off another one?
Reply With Quote
  #83  
Old 04-30-2012, 01:29 PM
Siam Sam Siam Sam is offline
Elephant Whisperer
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Bangkok
Posts: 20,705
I loved the original Dark Shadows so much that I would literally run home from school to watch it. School dismissed at 3:15pm, the show started at 3:30, and I lived half a mile away. (I had a bicycle, but for some reason my parents didn't like me taking it to school.) Many of my friends did the same.

I only recently learned it was to be a movie and that Jonathan Frid has died. Has it come out yet?
Reply With Quote
  #84  
Old 04-30-2012, 01:46 PM
carnivorousplant carnivorousplant is online now
Romney Voldemort 2016
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Central Arkansas
Posts: 35,370
Quote:
Originally Posted by Siam Sam View Post
I loved the original Dark Shadows so much that I would literally run home from school to watch it. School dismissed at 3:15pm, the show started at 3:30
Didn't we all?
Reply With Quote
  #85  
Old 04-30-2012, 02:02 PM
simster simster is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 4,473
Quote:
Originally Posted by carnivorousplant View Post
Didn't we all?
No, some of us ran home to watch Star Trek - you all are wierd.

In other news, I never watched the original Dark Shadows - but we are going to go see this.
Reply With Quote
  #86  
Old 05-11-2012, 08:32 AM
Zsofia Zsofia is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Bumping this as the film comes out - I saw it at midnight as emotional support for my fiance. MY GOD IT WAS AWFUL. SERIOUSLY. It was TEDIOUS, which is the worst thing I can possibly say about any movie. Be bad! Be furiously awfully bad! But do not bore me! Allow me to spoiler further remarks.

SPOILER:
It can't decide if it wants to be funny or not, so the trailer bits are most of the "fish out of water" comedy. Which I hated the idea of but at least it was an IDEA. I didn't give the tiniest damn about any character in the whole thing with the possible exception of the house itself. They plain forgot about characters for half-hours at a time and then pretended like you were invested in their problems all of a sudden. AT THE END OF THE MOVIE SOMEBODY TURNS OUT TO BE A WEREWOLF FOR NO REASON.

As usual, the production design is amazing and Johnny Depp gives 150%. I actually quite liked his Barnabas. But the script, oy vey! Absolutely awful, the sort of thing where they tell you how you should feel about people without investing effort into showing you why and where they just move people around to the demands of the plot with no rhyme or reason. What a waste of some good actors and a good idea!

They could have done so much better so much more easily - say, either take out the 18th century bits or make them half the movie and that would give the audience more room to get attached to the characters. Either take out the comedy or make the movie a comedy. And good lord please nix almost all obvious visual effects.

There were some good moments that kept getting my hopes up - the first ghost Victoria sees is genuinely creepy and makes you want to know more about stuff, and then they just sort of drop that. Very frustrating. ARGH, I'm still mad about it, and I'm going to fall asleep at work today because of this shitty movie.

Last edited by Zsofia; 05-11-2012 at 08:32 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #87  
Old 05-11-2012, 08:59 AM
jayjay jayjay is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Just saw this today. It's easily three times as funny as the movie appears to be.

Tim Burton's Secret Formula
Reply With Quote
  #88  
Old 05-11-2012, 06:06 PM
lawoot lawoot is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
I saw it today - not bad, but the train scene at the beginning (under the opening credits) pulled me right out of the world they were creating, as it was supposed to be 1972, but the train was a modern Amtrak Downeaster train, with a locomotive that was introduced in the early 90's, the cars painted in a scheme and logo that didn't exist until the 2000's, and the other locomotive being a refurbished cab control unit that also didn't exist until around the turn of the century. I realize this was a product placement issue, but still...

And for as important a character as Victoria Winters is supposed to be, she didn't actually have much screen time.
Reply With Quote
  #89  
Old 05-11-2012, 07:26 PM
carnivorousplant carnivorousplant is online now
Romney Voldemort 2016
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Central Arkansas
Posts: 35,370
Quote:
Originally Posted by lawoot View Post
And for as important a character as Victoria Winters is supposed to be, she didn't actually have much screen time.
I'm liking this movie less and less.
Reply With Quote
  #90  
Old 05-11-2012, 10:01 PM
Zsofia Zsofia is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Seriously, they forget she exists for 70% of the screen time.
Reply With Quote
  #91  
Old 05-13-2012, 12:43 PM
NJ Kef NJ Kef is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
I came away from this spoof wondering what was the point of it? No horror, no suspense, no romance. Just one long tedious, tasteless parody. But who is laughing?

I don’t consider the original series camp. Dan Curtis was not sending up gothic romances and horror stories. He was adapting them to a daily serial. The audience was intended to take the melodrama seriously.

What Burton and Depp spawned is camp, and not very good camp.
Reply With Quote
  #92  
Old 05-13-2012, 01:07 PM
Loach Loach is online now
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
We had nothing to do last night so decided to see it. Meh. Not enough comedy for a comedy. Not serious enough to be horror. Not angsty enough to be melodrama. Burton needed to step back and decide what kind of a movie it was before he started filming. The trailers were completely misleading. Made it look like a straight up comedy. For the most part everyone did a decent job with what they were given. Kickass girl annoyed me. Vicky was not written well enough to understand why she would fall for barnabas. I have never understood the appeal of Eva Green.
Reply With Quote
  #93  
Old 05-13-2012, 02:20 PM
Zebra Zebra is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: LIC
Posts: 19,298
I saw the film last night. I never watched the series.

I liked it a great deal. It certainly stuck with me more than The Avengers. Had a few creepy moments but mostly just plain fun.


The only think I didn't like was Alice Cooper. It just didn't work.




Mars Attacks was purposely camp and I thought it worked. Blue Velvet also had a lot of "camp" in it.

Last edited by Zebra; 05-13-2012 at 02:22 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #94  
Old 05-13-2012, 06:31 PM
PapSett PapSett is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: May 2005
I just came home from seeing this and for what it's worth I really enjoyed it a lot! Tons of 70's references, all the plots I remember from the series, and it was fun looking for the cameos.

And, oh yeah, Johnny Depp.

All in all, a nice way to spend a Sunday afternoon with a friend. Great art? No. But a fun escape movie.

Last edited by PapSett; 05-13-2012 at 06:32 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #95  
Old 05-13-2012, 06:32 PM
What Exit? What Exit? is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
It was a fun movie and pretty enjoyable darkly light-hearted fair. I watched the original a little as a little kid with my older system but didn't really remember it. So no disappointment was possible.
Reply With Quote
  #96  
Old 05-13-2012, 08:14 PM
well he's back well he's back is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Not one of Burton's better efforts, but as usual Depp was amazing & the movie really was a lot of fun if you go in with low expectations.
Reply With Quote
  #97  
Old 05-13-2012, 09:46 PM
carnivorousplant carnivorousplant is online now
Romney Voldemort 2016
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Central Arkansas
Posts: 35,370
Quote:
Originally Posted by well he's back View Post
Not one of Burton's better efforts, but as usual Depp was amazing & the movie really was a lot of fun if you go in with low expectations.
I'll pass on seeing it.
I wonder how appreciation of it correlates to whether or not one watched the series.
Reply With Quote
  #98  
Old 05-14-2012, 10:41 AM
Siam Sam Siam Sam is offline
Elephant Whisperer
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Bangkok
Posts: 20,705
I'll pass too. I've read too many negative reviews and love the original series too much.
Reply With Quote
  #99  
Old 05-15-2012, 06:21 AM
MickNickMaggies MickNickMaggies is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Still might see it- it's a big enough film that we'll likely get it in English with subtitles.

Fun fact- once, in a writing class, our instructor decided to absolutely spoil us by getting us a real, live author who had just published his first book. He'd also done some TV writing.

What TV? Seems there was this one soap he wrote for...

Poor guy couldn't get the class back on the rails after we found that out.
Reply With Quote
  #100  
Old 05-15-2012, 12:28 PM
DiosaBellissima DiosaBellissima is online now
Guest
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Well, hrmph. I thought it was good! Was it this generation's Casablanca? Of course not, but it was an entertaining Friday night in my book.

The sets, costumes, and way it was filmed were all nice- I don't want to say "beautiful," but definitely well done/pleasing to the eye/ all that jazz. I've got a fondness for how Burton lights his films- I have no idea what you'd call it, but I find the lighting in his films far more dynamic than the average movie. Depp's character was, per usual, really well done. Eva Green and, well, heck, a lot of them just were great. Sure, not the deepest, most evolved characters, but I think everyone played their parts well.

FWIW, I've never seen the TV show (though I'm named for one of the characters!), but I went into the movie understanding that the whole premise is a bit campy and that the original show was ridiculous in its low budget silliness.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:42 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Send questions for Cecil Adams to: cecil@chicagoreader.com

Send comments about this website to: webmaster@straightdope.com

Terms of Use / Privacy Policy

Advertise on the Straight Dope!
(Your direct line to thousands of the smartest, hippest people on the planet, plus a few total dipsticks.)

Publishers - interested in subscribing to the Straight Dope?
Write to: sdsubscriptions@chicagoreader.com.

Copyright © 2013 Sun-Times Media, LLC.