To all Obama apologists on the economy. You need to go fuck yourself today.

[sqweels]

Originally Posted by Koxinga

As election day approaches, the economy continues to flounder along and one out of every six Americans remains unemployed or underemployed, I encourage you to redouble your efforts in getting this message out and educate voters about how they ought to feel about their crappy situations. If all Obama supporters take it to heart, I have some hope we will finally start to see things improve after November.

Ah, but you see the flip side of "Obama apologists on the economy" are the Republicans who have been relentlessly campaigning on the idea the Obama is to blame for the bad economy. But:

1. Obama is not to blame for the bad economy.
2. The economy is not as bad as it might have been.

So while the Repubs have been able to convince people that Obama is to blame for a bad economy, they'll be damned if he'll get any credit for any improvements.

5. Whatever's still wrong with the economy is the fault of the previous president.

I submit that it's a lot easier for a president to screw up an economy than it is to fix one.

[Fear Itself]

Originally Posted by magellan01

Now, technically, a kid who apologizes to another kid for hitting him is also an apologist.

Because you say so? No he isn't.

But when it comes to people being "apologists" for causes, etc., it takes on the flavor of what I said. I'm pretty sure you know that. And know what I meant.

Words have meanings.

[magellan01]

Originally Posted by Fear Itself

Because you say so? No he isn't.

You are correct. I originally used the word in a way that is commonly used, but I then added the thing about the kid, who is an "apologizer". I should have left the kid thing out of it. I was wrong about that. My apologies.

Originally Posted by Fear Itself

Words have meanings.

Ah, so all my work has not been for naught after all...

[Left Hand of Dorkness]

Originally Posted by magellan01

You are correct. I originally used the word in a way that is commonly used

Err...no. Words do have meanings, inasmuch as people use them in a particular way, but sometimes people use them according to the dictionary. You were chastising people who were using the dictionary denotation of the word because they weren't using the connotation you attach to the word. That's absurd.

It's fine to suggest that a word has certain connotations for you. But it's silly to suggest that it has those same connotations for everyone, when the ultimate descriptivist device, the dictionary, disagrees.

[magellan01]

Originally Posted by Left Hand of Dorkness

Err...no. Words do have meanings, inasmuch as people use them in a particular way, but sometimes people use them according to the dictionary. You were chastising people who were using the dictionary denotation of the word because they weren't using the connotation you attach to the word. That's absurd.

No I don't think I was. I was explaining how it was used in the OP. The word is often used imbued with the blind partisanship I described. Do you not agree with that? Do you not agree that the way I described it was the way it was being used in the OP. I mean, it seems to be a pretty common take on the word.

[L. G. Butts, Ph.D.]

I was laid off at the end of 2008 after close to a decade of wage stagnation. Since the 2008 election, I have had my salary grow more than in the previous 8 years and I have had my stock portfolio double. Thanks Obama.




Of course, neither he nor Bush were responsible for any of the above, but that obviously does not stop any conservatives from being morons as demonstrated in this thread.

[HMS Irruncible]

Originally Posted by Saint Cad

Now going into a third straight year of budget and staff cuts, the district staff at my school district have just been told about massive staff cuts (me included). Why don't you pull some more numbers out of Obama's ass (they're in there next to your head) and explain again about how the economy is recovering and has been for some time. Explain how real unemployment has gone down.

Look, the economy is in the shitter and everyone except you and your President know it. So out of respect for me being laid off for the second summer in a row (ya know, last hired = first fired), I order a 24 hour morotorium on any statement implying the economy has been getting better under your President.

You're complaining about getting fired from... a government job? And you're blaming Obama? Elect one of these Republican yahoos who wants to defund education and see how THAT works out for you. Moron.

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by Saint Cad

Look, the economy is in the shitter and everyone except you and your President know it. So out of respect for me being laid off for the second summer in a row (ya know, last hired = first fired), I order a 24 hour morotorium on any statement implying the economy has been getting better under your President.

Oh, I wouldn't dream of hinting.

But I understand the economy has been getting wow-better under your president.

::d&r::

[Truman Burbank]

to suggest that we recognize the complicated reality that the economy is getting better, but still isn't where we want it? I don't think anybody is saying "the economy is great!" as your strawman assertion suggests. In fact, the last time I heard anybody assert that it was Bush and McCain.
Besides, I was given to understand that if an individual finds themselves unemployed it reflects either a defect of character or the bad choices they've made in their life...

[Euphonious Polemic]

Saint Cad, what folks seem to be getting at is that you don't seem to understand what the various parties stand for. You seem to be railing against the wrong person (Obama).

As far as my limited knowledge goes, the Democrats generally like to see services provided for people, including those who cannot afford them. Education in particular is highly valued, and a publicly funded education system is seen as something that is good for the country. Democrats generally feel that tax rates should be set so that the public systems are well funded, and staffed appropriately by public employees (paid out of tax dollars).

Republicans, on the other hand, have a different approach to both government employment and taxation. In general, they feel that taxes should be lower. Government should be smaller, and those who get a paycheck from a government source should be fewer in numbers.

In general terms, Republicans would be cheering your downsizing (smaller government, less taxes), while Democrats would be not impressed with your downsizing (sacrificing public education for short-sighted gains of tax cuts).

You seem to be confused about the part where Obama is a president with the Democrat party. His party is currently being fought tooth and nail by other branches of government controlled by the Republican Party. These branches are in agreement with what happened to you. Yet you rail against a Democrat president.

You seem confused.

[PandaBear77]

Saint Cad -- I'm really sorry you're going through this

Seriously.

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by Truman Burbank

to suggest that we recognize the complicated reality that the economy is getting better, but still isn't where we want it?

That is not too subtle or complicated to recognize, but it is too subtle and complicated to enjoy, therefore it is rejected and is a lie, shut up.

[Koxinga]

Originally Posted by Truman Burbank

to suggest that we recognize the complicated reality that the economy is getting better, but still isn't where we want it?

This is just the break the Carter '80 Bush '92 Obama '12 campaign has been waiting for!

[Stink Fish Pot]

Originally Posted by DianaG

Couldn'ta happened to a nicer, more rational guy.

Classy. I don't know the OP or your history with him, but man... can't you cut him a break for one day, instead of being a superior bitch?

Originally Posted by Icarus

So let me get this straight - Obama issued you a layoff? Wow, that sucks.

Does it ever end? The sarcasm! the wit!

Originally Posted by Fear Itself

I support President Obama, the country is better off with him in the White House, and with any luck, the entire Republican Party will implode this November so we can finish what needs to be done to repair the damage caused by two terms of conservative misadventure. Tax cuts don't create jobs.

I hope that makes you feel better. OK, not really.

The country is better with him in the white house? Cite? You can love yourself some Obama and you can love the fact that your guy got in (and a black man to boot! How liberal of you all!), but Obama has not done a bang up job on the economy. In fact, the economy sucks, and I think it may cost him the election later this year, regardless of what stiff suit the pubbies put up.

Originally Posted by Koxinga

A smaller percentage of the workforce is classified as unemployed because the workforce is shrinking. If you include discouraged workers and those marginally attached to the labor force, the unemployment rate is still close to 10%.

This is a very big part of it. But 10% figure is a joke. Just got my taxes done, and the woman who does them (and has been doing them for a decade now) said she has seen a surprising number of people come in with reduced incomes from last year, some of them being on unemployment the entire year. The fact is, when a person goes off the unemployment roles, he's no longer visible by the system. So presto! Everyone can talk about how the economy is turning around, albeit slowly. The economy sucks. I don't care what party you are affiliated with. You all need to pull your heads out of your asses and take a look around at your communities, friends and relations. If you are still lucky enough to be employed, I'm happy for you. This is beyond party politics at this point.

Originally Posted by Cat Whisperer

When I hear things like the OP here, I am a little boggled - you think President Obama managed to dump the global economy in 2008, before he was even President? Wow, he really IS the most powerful man alive! What, he hasn't completely fixed everything in three years, with the Republicans dragging their feet on every motion? I guess he's completely useless then.

ETA: And I really am sorry that you're about to lose your job, Saint Cad. Regardless of the circumstances or the politics, that sucks.

This sounds like any Republican rant when the Democrats run congress and the Repubs own the white house. It's an exercise in futility. It's just a finger pointing exercise that has grown old for me.

I don't blame Obama for the mess he inherited. I do blame him for the mess that is attributable to him, however. He certainly kept the Bush bailout/checkbook solution philosophy alive and well.


When things get worse and worse, the masses tend to cling to their religion more. If Romney takes the Nomination, I'm guessing he'll become much more overtly religious to the country than he is today. Santorum is already there. Obama will be spotted walking in and out of some house of religion on a more frequent basis.

Sorry about your job loss. I don't know who you are your your political affiliation (although based on the comments in the thread I can guess).

I wish any and all of you best of luck in keeping your jobs, or finding one if you are on the bench.


Personal note- I honestly don't care who wins the WH this year. But whoever does, I'd like to see them stay out of another war, get us out of afghanistan, and let any investment bank that is heading for bankruptcy go down like Frasier vs. Ali.

[waterj2]

Treating this as a political thread on public sector job losses, I figure it's worth flagging this article comparing states where Republicans took over in 2010 to the rest of the country:

Nearly all of the job losses took place at the state and local level, and they were most severe in a handful of GOP-controlled states. In other words, erosion of public sector employment isn’t a problem affecting the entire country equally—it’s a problem in particular states, thanks to very particular legislators.

Here's a pdf of a research paper by the same authors with a little more data. I don't know where Saint Cad lives, but perhaps he ought to look at a different level of government if he wants to bitch at government officials. Speaking as someone who defends Obama on the economy, at least as compared to the Republicans, we've been the ones saying that the government shouldn't be firing public sector workers, so I don't think we're the top people to be telling to go fuck ourselves.

[waterj2]

Originally Posted by Cheesesteak

Actually, if you look at the U6, which includes discouraged and marginally employed, it's 14.5%, the lowest since Obama took office, down a half point since January, and down 2.5 points from its high of 17%. That rate is usually 7-8% when things are good, and jumped from 9 to 15% during Bush's last year.

Good? No, but it's moving in the right direction.

Here's a chart showing all measures of employment from U3 (the one generally referred to as “the unemployment rate”) to U6 declining slowly in tandem.

[Rachellelogram]

You'd do better to blame your state legislature rather than the President--they're the ones who determine education budgets, not the federal government. I'm sorry you lost your job, but I'm not seeing a correlation. Lots of people get laid off even in a booming economy. You're a data point, not a statistic.

[rogerbox]

Edit: I'm going to be nicer. Sorry you lost your job, but you need to re-think your OP because it does not do you any favors.

[splatterpunk]

Originally Posted by Stink Fish Pot

Classy. I don't know the OP or your history with him, but man... can't you cut him a break for one day, instead of being a superior bitch?

Maybe if the OP wasn't such a superior asshole.

Does it ever end? The sarcasm! the wit!

The brainless retort by Stink Fish Pot!

The country is better with him in the white house? Cite? You can love yourself some Obama and you can love the fact that your guy got in (and a black man to boot! How liberal of you all!)

And you hate the fact that a black man was elected president. How conservative of you!

... , but Obama has not done a bang up job on the economy. In fact, the economy sucks, and I think it may cost him the election later this year, regardless of what stiff suit the pubbies put up.

Wanna bet?

This is a very big part of it. But 10% figure is a joke. Just got my taxes done, and the woman who does them...

Jesus fucking Christ. What kind of stupid asshole are you if you can't even do your own taxes?

... (and has been doing them for a decade now) said she has seen a surprising number of people come in with reduced incomes from last year, some of them being on unemployment the entire year.

Yeah, this is nothing new. So what? Ooohh, it must be the fault of that nigger in the White House. Is that your point?

The fact is, when a person goes off the unemployment roles, he's no longer visible by the system. So presto! Everyone can talk about how the economy is turning around, albeit slowly. The economy sucks.

Wow. Someone has been listening to right wing talk radio and nothing else!

I don't care what party you are affiliated with.

*snort* Of course you don't.

This is beyond party politics at this point.

Unless your name is Stink Fish Pot, in which case it's all about party politics.

I don't blame Obama for the mess he inherited.

Yes, you do.

When things get worse and worse, the masses tend to cling to their religion more. If Romney takes the Nomination, I'm guessing he'll become much more overtly religious to the country than he is today. Santorum is already there. Obama will be spotted walking in and out of some house of religion on a more frequent basis.

??? So fucking what?

Personal note- I honestly don't care who wins the WH this year.

Sure you don't, pal. As long as he's not some filthy Negro.

[elucidator]

Did I miss the part where he said he had an objection to Obama's complexion?

[JKellyMap]

How did Sherlock Holmes put it? "When you have eliminated the impossible..."

[Measure for Measure]

Originally Posted by Kimstu

The fact is, we got hit in 2008 with the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression, and no administration without superhuman powers would be able to turn that around completely in a mere few years.

No. Obama made a tactical error by not asking for a $1.5 trillion stimulus package, which is 3/4 of what the situation called for, though he didn't know it at the time. In the end, Olympia Snowe (R) cut $100 billion from aid to states and localities, which were some of the most efficient forms of stimulus proposed (highest multipliers). So we got only ~800 billion, less than half of what we needed.

Obama also should have proposed better people for the Federal Reserve. When we faced depression, it was a crisis. But 8% unemployment isn't considered a big deal, which is an outrage.

Originally Posted by Fear Itself

I don't understand all the sympathy. If more conservatives lost their jobs as a direct result of government cutbacks, maybe they would reconsider their politics. It is hard for me to feel much sympathy when someone votes against their own self interest, and then blames the wrong guy for his misfortune.

I agree. Saint Cad has been hit hard with a 2x4, but I doubt whether he will consider supporting textbook economics. So fuck him. It's not karma though, it's just the Republican Party.

Originally Posted by Saint Cad

Let's get this straight right now. My rant was directed to the people who talk about how the economy has recovered under Obama. I didn't pit Obama directly so all of you who think that this was directed to Obama can go back to school and learn to read from your now probably fired teacher.

To point it out again, this was directed to people that turn some government-issued numbers into this picture of everything being great and wonderful economically and give Obama an almost Messianic reverence on how he has changed everything in the last three years. The economy still sucks despite any marginal improvement that may or may not be Obama's doing.

Fact: the economy has improved, and not in a merely marginal way. It is also, however, still awful in a postwar sense.

But just because you lost your job now, doesn't mean the economy isn't expanding.

Here are some good charts of the existing situation. See especially the last one to get a sense of the horror. Look at the first one to see the immediate beneficial effects of the stimulus package. http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/20...0-jobs-82.html The hole Obama inherited was exceptionally deep. Unfortunately, he also inherited an exceptionally viciously partisan Republican Party. You can see that in the record number of cloture votes they supported, in addition to the way they blocked executive appointments --without ideological objection-- even to the US treasury during the worst financial crisis in post war history. Chart here: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...buster/255634/

Oh and for all of you accusing me of being part of the government bloat, remember that your complaining about someone willing to babysit kids and try and teach them math as they tell me to fuck off.

Props for teaching math though.

[Cheesesteak]

Originally Posted by Stink Fish Pot

This is a very big part of it. But 10% figure is a joke. Just got my taxes done, and the woman who does them (and has been doing them for a decade now) said she has seen a surprising number of people come in with reduced incomes from last year, some of them being on unemployment the entire year. The fact is, when a person goes off the unemployment roles, he's no longer visible by the system. So presto! Everyone can talk about how the economy is turning around, albeit slowly.

I'm really fucking sick of this pseudo-gotcha "I read half a magazine article" analysis of the unemployment rate. It's stupid, and you're stupid. You're not breaking new ground, you're not telling anyone with half a brain something they don't already know, and your tax lady's anecdotes aren't fucking data.

They already measure what you're thinking about, discouraged workers, marginal workers, underemployed workers, in addition to the traditional unemployed. Look it up, and quit being a fucking moron.

Here's a handy dandy website that has all the various unemployment rates, right up to the March figures, so you can see their historical averages, the run up to the Great Recession during Bush's presidency, and where it's going right now (hint.... it's down).

[Measure for Measure]

Originally Posted by Stink Fish Pot

The fact is, when a person goes off the unemployment roles, he's no longer visible by the system.

False. The unemployment statistics are derived from a monthly telephone survey. Whoever told you this is a bad source of information. Or maybe you just jumped to a conclusion.

I don't blame Obama for the mess he inherited. I do blame him for the mess that is attributable to him, however. He certainly kept the Bush bailout/checkbook solution philosophy alive and well.

I blame chowderheads who think that their folksy economics has anything to do with reality. Hey, I don't pontificate about chemistry and I wade into physics threads with great hesitancy.

Put in another way: what do you want Obama to do? Balance the budget? We tried that approach in the mid 1930s and the economy had a seizure. It is the exact opposite of what is required during recession, at least according to college level textbook economics.

When things get worse and worse, the masses tend to cling to their religion more.

No, what they cling to is folk economics, which is to say crackpot stuff.

Personal note- I honestly don't care who wins the WH this year. But whoever does, I'd like to see them stay out of another war, get us out of afghanistan, and let any investment bank that is heading for bankruptcy go down like Frasier vs. Ali.

Heh. That's what Tim Geitner thought in 2008 -- then Lehman collapsed and took the economy with it. The investment bank oligarchy has the rest of us by the balls: if you want to change that situation, it must be via boring reform and not during a crisis. As it is, the Republicans fought the very watered down Graham/Dodd with tooth, nail, ax and club.


ETA: What Cheesesteak said. Oh, and every critique of the unemployment rate, uses the statistics of these guys anyway.

[Hentor the Barbarian]

Damn, Stink Fish Pot, but I just did not realize how ignorant you are. Bummer. I do have hope you might educate yourself, but if you have not yet done so, why would anything change.

The one hope I do have is that this is a very empirical matter. You can look for yourself. The data is readily available. Some of the stuff, like why the stimulus was not bigger, is a matter of some debate, but otherwise...

[Ludovic]

Originally Posted by waterj2

Speaking as someone who defends Obama on the economy, at least as compared to the Republicans, we've been the ones saying that the government shouldn't be firing public sector workers, so I don't think we're the top people to be telling to go fuck ourselves.

This is word for word what I should have written were it not in the Pit.

[Rune]

Congratulation on being work-free. Work sucks. Take the time off to enjoy life until you have to enter the rat race again.

[What the .... ?!?!]

Nothing that stonger unions, 299 weeks of unemployment, and the new "un-earned no-income credit" won't fix. Keep voting Democrat baby!

[Fear Itself]

Originally Posted by Stink Fish Pot

The country is better with him in the white house?

...

In fact, the economy sucks...

These two statements are not mutually exclusive.

[Vinyl Turnip]

Originally Posted by What the .... ?!?!

Nothing that stonger unions, 299 weeks of unemployment, and the new "un-earned no-income credit" won't fix. Keep voting Democrat baby!

House burned, fire's smoldering... time for another splash of Raging Elephant® brand gasoline!

[Fear Itself]

Originally Posted by What the .... ?!?!

Nothing that stonger unions, 299 weeks of unemployment, and the new "un-earned no-income credit" won't fix. Keep voting Democrat baby!

The Earned Income Tax Credit was enacted under Gerald Ford (R) with bipartisan support, and expanded under Ronald Reagan (R), with bipartisan support. I know the concept of bipartisanship is foreign to you, but there was a time, a long time ago, when Republicans based their policies on what was good for the country as a whole, instead of what was good for the special interests to whom they owed fealty.

[FoieGrasIsEvil]

Originally Posted by Lamar Mundane

It sucks getting drowned in the bathtub.

I will always love you.

[Lobohan]

This thread is so multi-faceted. We've got Cad biting the hand that feeds him, Magellan screaming at clouds and taking liberal dictionaries to task, and SFP stumbling in and incoherently shitting all over himself.

Cad, I hope you see your way through this. Although, it would be nice if you learned that the people you vote for caused it. And because of the misinformation you believe is true, you have been thanking them for it.

[Death of Rats]

Originally Posted by Saint Cad

an almost Messianic reverence

Originally Posted by Ludovic

Who are those people?

Mostly the OP and the talking heads at Fox News and talk radio and thier followers, who all believe in the God-like powers of Obama to personally affect everthing in the country.

Note to OP: the next time you community wants to reaise property taxes, vote "YES". That was what was paying your salary.

[Gangster Octopus]

My favorite part of the OP is where he offered alternative policies to the ones Obama enacted.

[kaylasdad99]

Originally Posted by Rhythmdvl

Biggirl, you need to take a few moments from your OP-mandated self fucking to bite my shiny metal ass. Then, with or without the blessing of the OP, go back to knitting yourself a hat (I think saying GFY directly to a poster is against Board rules.)

I assume you put "find me instances of Saint Cad being an economic douche" into a search field to avoid slogging through every post of his or reading every thread he's been involved in. But not everyone has access to your magical search engine. We'd rather ask the many posters here who may have participated in some thread to volunteer it. Here, let me give you an example:

Random Poster: That's strange. Biggirl normally is pretty chill. Anyone remember a time when she made a complete ass out of herself?

Rhythmdvl: Yeah, it is an anomaly, but it's not the first time. Check out this thread, maybe posts 47, 53 and 64. Aside from otherwise good points about the OP itself, her other responses will leave the taste of santorum in your mouth.

So ... anyone else (besides Biggerl, who should be crotch-deep in yarn at the moment) recall Saint Cad posting love notes to Norquist?

My friend wants to know.

A search for posts where Saint Cad uses the term "Norquist" reveals no posts.

A similar search of his posts using the word "Obama" makes it clear that he never wanted President Obama in the office, and suggests that in his opinion every economic policy action President Obama ever took was wrong.

[kaylasdad99]

P.S. Good luck with your upcoming job search, Saint Cad.

[Hentor the Barbarian]

Isn't it ironic that someone who names himself Saint would complain about messianic reverence for Obama? Or is that just jealousy?

[SteveG1]

Originally Posted by the second stone

i'm generally against firing teachers. Kids need to see that teachers can sometimes be stupid adults, and thus we need conservative teachers like you. We all understood from your op that you were pitting people who praised or in any measure approve obama's handling of the economy. We understood it because we can read.

The federal government has very little to do with hiring and firing teachers. Local school districts do that.

If you are going to make a career out of babysitting at a public school, please give my condolences to the faculty that have to pick up your slack. It is a lot more difficult than just babysitting.

You are the one with a government job. There are private teaching jobs out there. Go get one. Yeah, it will be with less pay and less benefits, but you are against unions anyway, aren't you?

Your hypocrisy and stupidity are not just skin deep. It goes all the way to the bone. When you are a conservative trying to reduce the public payroll and destroy unions, stop crying so fucking much when it actually happens. Dumbfuck.
Dumbfuck.
Dumbfuck.
Dumbfuck.

Have you picked up on the fact that your politics support cutting off your own food supply? Most everyone else in this thread has.

standing ovation

[DMC]

Originally Posted by Rhythmdvl

I assume you put "find me instances of Saint Cad being an economic douche" into a search field to avoid slogging through every post of his or reading every thread he's been involved in.

I'm pretty sure the below would qualify one as an "economic douche."

Originally Posted by Saint Cad

Despite what Obamaites think, Keynesian economics is far from a proven economic theory so I'll see your spending during a recession and raise you the supply-side economics that got us out of the stagflation of the 1970's and early 80's recession.

Also, one argument against social welfare programs is that it does nothing to promote revenue-generating infrastructure. The Republicans would argue that giving $10,000 to a business in tax break generates jobs and capital improvements while giving it to single mothers generates income for Colombian drug-lords as they buy crack with their welfare checks.

It may be the case that borrowing money is needed as an occassional stop-gap measure like paying for a war or a stimulus package but borrowing continually to make up a deficit as a normal course of business is a recipe for eventual disaster.

[rogerbox]

If he actually meant that quote, then I'm a lot less worried about him not being involved in any way in education anymore.

[Rhythmdvl]

Thanks. Was "Obamites" on that long thread about terms that when used seriously instantly allow writing the poster off? Pit thread, I think.

Plus ... "supply-side economics that got us out of the stagflation"? I thought massive borrowing and government spending on military programmes and projects did that.

It's not that conservativism in general requires a stream of inanities. Pro life, smaller government, pro business ... these have rational, articulable arguments behind them. I don't find the reasoning persuasive enough to agree with, but wish there were more people dropping the Fox-like rhetoric for even mild hyperbole. Shame, really.

[Ludovic]

Originally Posted by Rhythmdvl

Thanks. Was "Obamites" on that long thread about terms that when used seriously instantly allow writing the poster off?

Not sure, but railing against "Obama the Messiah" is.

[lawoot]

Originally Posted by Saint Cad

I saw a math teacher try to wake up a kid in class today during the lesson and the kid punched the teacher in the stomach for disturbing him. But I guess that the consquence of pulling down such huge paychecks. Maybe some of you need to start a thread: Reduce Big Government: Fire a Teacher.

And you didn't have the kid arrested for assault because... ?

[SteveG1]

This thread and others like it, remind me why I don't hang out here as much as I once did. It's always the same stupid partisan bullshit, from the same stupid partisan shills. Even when they are getting their throats cut by their OWN FUCKING PARTY.



Idiots.

[The Second Stone]

Originally Posted by SteveG1

standing ovation

Thank you. My poison pen gets really good when I go off my nice guy meds.

[Snowboarder Bo]

Yeah, I gotta concur, Second Stone: you really knocked it outta the park with that post.

[chela]

Originally Posted by Rune

Congratulation on being work-free. Work sucks. Take the time off to enjoy life until you have to enter the rat race again.

So true, all year I have been sitting on my couch that I bought with Bush's stimulus handout of 2007. Finally I got off the couch (an Eilerson) when Obama found me a job. Ok so cooking and delivering pizza's isn't all that, but dang the tips are good! Just last night delivered an order to the subsidized housing projects and she gave me a roll of quarters as a tip, that's ten bucks! Obama must've found her a job too!

[Carmady]

If only there was a party willing to follow the simple 3-step plan to save the economy:

1. Cut taxes for the most wealthy to some of the lowest levels in history, in defiance of economic sense
2. Threaten a default on all our loans
3. Aggressively obstruct anything Obama wants to do to help the economy

I feel certain the economy would be booming again if only such a brave party existed.

[Zebra]

The difference between a recession and a depressions is that it is a recession when you neighbor losses his job. It's a depression when you lose your job.


Ronald Reagan