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04-20-2012, 11:56 PM
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Fun fact: Not only are the Cincinnati Bengals the first playoff team with a draft pick, they actually have 2 draft picks before any playoff team gets to pick.
Although the Bengals surprised everyone by making the 2011 playoffs, they still have plenty of gaps to address in the draft. One of the big two priorities is to protect their young QB, Andy Dalton. And it just so happens that the best player available is a step in that direction, so... 17. Cincinnati Bengals - David DeCastro, G, Stanford Last edited by It's Not Rocket Surgery!; 04-20-2012 at 11:57 PM.
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04-20-2012, 11:57 PM
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Damn...was hoping he'd slide to the Bears.
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The Chargers are on the clock.... Before I make a pick, there's a trade I want to look in to.
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04-21-2012, 12:12 AM
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Really surprised he slid that far. Isn't he thought to be a top-15 pick? I know, I know; it really depends on team need, and how the draft shakes out.
FWIW, our local guy's latest mock had him at 13 to the Cards, while Walter Football lists him as a top-20 pick. Adam Caplan had him going to the Panthers at 9 (?!)
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04-21-2012, 12:43 AM
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By the way, does anyone really think that Tannehill won't have been taken by now? I honestly think he's going in the Top 10.
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04-21-2012, 01:04 AM
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Well it's been an hour since the last pick, so let's just assume that my 15 minutes on the clock are up and there will be no trade. With that in mind.....
18.San Diego Chargers Nick Perry DE/OLB USC There are any number of directions the Chargers could go right here. They're almost certain to take defense, but it could be at any level. Everyone says it's gonna be an OLB, but what they need is a pass rush, which doesn't necessarily mean a new man on the outside. Could be a 3-4 DE, but there isn't one here. Barron would've been my first pick, actually, cause they certainly need an upgrade at strong safety as well. It could very well even be one of the corner backs - Kirkpatrick and Gilmore are both available, and while neither would step in and start right away, they'd both be valuable additions to a backfield that needs help. In the end, though, I'm going with the conventional thinking. They really need help in the pass rush, and Perry can do that. He may not be ready to start right away, but they have the pieces in place in Shaun Phillips and the recently acquired Jarret Johnson to let him spend his first season in the league learning the defense and acting as a pass rush specialist only for the time being. And I just happen to like Perry better than Upshaw. Last edited by TheBoltEater; 04-21-2012 at 01:06 AM.
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04-21-2012, 05:30 AM
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19. Chicago Bears
Stephon Gilmore CB, South Carolina This is a player that wasn't on my draft board and CB wasn't a position very high on my list of needs. However I believe that he represents the BPA right now and he's slid to become a real value pick at a premium position. Theoretically the CB in a Tampa 2 scheme isn't required to be an elite talent, a big reason it's a popular scheme is because it allows you to avoid having to pay top dollar for secondary help. That said, the Bears aren't quite a pure Tampa 2 team any more and I suspect Emery is going to bring a less rigid mindset to the draft. Gilmore is simply ideal for what the Bears want to do, he tackles really well which is key for them and he's got prototypical size and speed for the position. In the Bears system size and durability are crucial and Gilmore fits that to a tee. On top of that, he's an A+ character and effort guy and could be a heir to Tillman's role as a captain. If the draft plays out anything like this I'd much rather see Gilmore taken here than a reach for one of the middling pass rushers or OTs left on the board. Alternative options: Mercilus, Martin, Curry, Fleener, Glenn
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04-21-2012, 05:38 AM
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Here's the roundup.
1. Indianapolis Colts - garygnu: Andrew Luck QB, Stanford 2. Washington Redskins - DCnDC: Robert Griffin III QB, Baylor 3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Oakminster (from Minnesota)*: Trent Richardson RB, Alabama 4. Cleveland Browns - SenorBeef: Morris Claiborne CB, LSU 5. Minnesota Vikings - Hamlet (from Tampa Bay)*: Matt Kalil OT, USC 6. St. Louis Rams - RetroVertigo: Justin Blackmon WR, Oklahoma State 7. Jacksonville Jaguars - furt: Michael Floyd WR, Notre Dame 8. Miami Dolphins - Omniscient: Melvin Ingram OLB, South Carolina 9. Carolina Panthers - Jules Andre: Fletcher Cox DT, Mississippi St. 10. Buffalo Bills - Omniscient Riley Reiff OT, Iowa 11. Kansas City Chiefs - SenorBeef Dontari Poe DT, Memphis 12. Seattle Seahawks - Hamlet Quinton Coples DE, North Carolina 13. Arizona Cardinals - RetroVertigo Kendall Wright WR, Baylor 14. Dallas Cowboys - kidchameleon Mark Barron S, Alabama 15. Philadelphia Eagles - Jules Andre Luke Kuechly LB, Boston College 16. New York Jets - Gray Ghost Bobby Massie OT, Ole Miss 17. Cincinnati Bengals - It's Not Rocket Surgery! David DeCastro, G, Stanford 18. San Diego Chargers - TheBoltEater Nick Perry DE/OLB, USC 19. Chicago Bears - Omniscient Stephon Gilmore CB, South Carolina 20. Tennessee Titans - Oakminster 21. Cincinnati Bengals - It's Not Rocket Surgery! 22. Cleveland Browns - SenorBeef 23. Detroit Lions - Gangster Octopus 24. Pittsburgh Steelers - furt 25. Denver Broncos - TheBoltEater 26. Houston Texans - Gray Ghost 27. New England Patriots - ShadowFacts 28. Green Bay Packers - Gangster Octopus 29. Baltimore Ravens - DCnDC 30. San Francisco 49ers - garygnu 31. New England Patriots - ShadowFacts 32. New York Giants - It's Not Rocket Surgery! * Tampa trades their 2012 1st and 2nd round picks to the Vikings, in exchange for the Vikings 2012 1st and 6th.
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04-21-2012, 06:14 AM
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The Titans trade the 20th overall pick to the Dolphins in exchange for the Dolphins 2nd round pick this year, and 1st round pick next year.
I wanted Gilmore, but the Bears got him. I think I can get at least one of the top three guys on my board with the Dolphins pick in the second round, and might get another with my own 2nd round pick. Edit to add: It would be fun if we actually applied trades made in this mock draft to next year's version to the extent possible...but might be a pain to track. Last edited by Oakminster; 04-21-2012 at 06:18 AM.
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That said, I think you're right that he's a great fit for the Bears. He's a good and willing tackler who can play zone well. He can be exposed in coverage and sometimes watches the QB too much and gets burned, but he can also blitz well. As longs as you don't put too much pressure on him, he should do fine. I wouldn't want him on the Packers, but for what the Bears ask their CB's to do, he's fine. I would worry that he may have problems fitting in outside of a defense like the Bears (say if Lovie gets fired). And I can't wait to see him bite on a pump fake on the slant and give up a 80 yard TD pass Rodgers to Jennings. Plus any pick not used on that Bears O Line suits me just fine. Last edited by Hamlet; 04-21-2012 at 09:32 AM.
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There's an excellent trade opportunity at the 18th pick that I think the Chargers will be pushing hard to make if the board falls the way this one did. The Chargers pick at 18 and 49, and the Browns have 22 and 37 - which work out to exactly 1310 points each on the trade value chart, a rare perfect match. If the Browns saw someone they wanted to move up to get at 18, the Chargers would love to move up to the early second round; and dropping from 18 to 22, they'd either get Perry anyway or someone very much like him.
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04-21-2012, 11:58 AM
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20. Miami Dolphins
Ryan Tannehill QB, Texas A&M After passing on Tannehill at the top of the draft and watching him slide down into the 20s the Miami Dolphins pull the trigger anda Brady Quinn-esque trade to move back into the 1st round to get their QB of the future. The Dolphins are going to be OK with Moore starting this season allowing Tannehill time to learn and season and with his college coach calling the plays his transition should be as smooth as possible. Giving up a lot to get him will be a challenge but with the Browns coming up in a couple of picks they 'Phins brass decided it was worth doing. Tannehill represents the only QB with the potential to be a star, and while a guy like Weeden, Osweiler or Cousins could have been gotten in the 2nd round those guys don't represent an upgrade over Moore in the long term. Tannehill is high risk high reward and is just what the desperate Dolphins need to put asses in the seats.
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Proxy pick on behalf of It's Not Rocket Surgery!
21. Cincinnati Bengals
Dre Kirkpatrick CB, Alabama It's Not Rocket Surgery! sent me proxy picks for the Bengals because he was going to be AFK for long stretches of the day today. I PMed him about a half hour ago and haven't heard anything so I'm going to assume he's out of pocket for a while and go ahead and make the pick. The Bengals try and replace the gap left by Jonathan Joseph by adding Alabama CB Kirkpatrick. Personally I think he's going to be a bust and he lacks instincts and that his collegiate success was almost wholly a by product of being on the backend of a excellent front 7 that forced a lot of mistakes from a group of terrible SEC passers.
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04-21-2012, 02:02 PM
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22. Cleveland Browns
Cordy Glenn G/T, Georgia This one is actually a tough one for me. I want to pick Hill here, but the Browns have no right tackle - a UDFA backup is all that's on the roster. I'm not sure if Glenn is a schematic fit, but this will give the Browns 3 first rounders on their line and will solidify it with young talent for a decade. Which means we can have a top 5 O-line, and still watch McCoy make his own sacks and have all the fans screaming "you can't judge McCoy until all 5 starters on the O-line are top 10 picks!" With Mack and Thomas, and some promising young guards, the Browns have a chance to put in the final piece and potentially create an elite O-line unit. I'll have to snag WRs later. I can't believe I've spent 2 picks on players who aren't offensive playmakers though. I guess in part I've already written off the year - since we'll probably be getting the QB of the future next year, might as well write this year off and solidify some units. Last edited by SenorBeef; 04-21-2012 at 02:04 PM.
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I'm heading out the door, so when the Texans come up, just fire away with the next guy on my draft board. I'll supply the logic behind the choice when I get back.
I'm trusting we won't make it all the way around to the Jets 2nd rounder before I get back.
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04-21-2012, 02:34 PM
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Well I was hoping to draft a CB but the two I was targeti.ng are gone. So I am going four offensive line help, especially to twelve Chrlius whom is not really making it happen. So I am going for
23. Jonathan Main, OT, Stanford P. S. Sorry about the improper format, I am out this afternoon, do o am doing this off my phone
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04-21-2012, 03:15 PM
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24. Pittsburgh Steelers
Michael Brockers DT, LSU furt said he'd be offline all afternoon today and he sent me a short draft board and Brockers was at the top of it. I think Brockers is a little overrated on most draft boards I've seen and I think he's a largely one-dimensional player without much chance to effect the passing game, but for the Steelers he's an absolute god send. They need to replace Hampton and Brockers fits that mold to a T.
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04-21-2012, 03:33 PM
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I have to leave home in about an hour, so I'm hoping we can get to my first pick before then. If not, I'll be AFK for about 5-6 hours, but I'll check in before the end of the night.
Patriots are happy to entertain offers to trade down.
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04-21-2012, 04:33 PM
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24. Denver Broncos
Devon Still DT, Penn State Well the Broncos have to be a little bummed that Brockers went just before them after falling pretty far down the board. Neverthless, the Broncos needs look something like this... 1. Defensive tackle. 2. Tackle, Defense 3. See Above. Therefore, it's just a matter of seeing who's next in line on their draftboard, and I have the big boy out of Penn State heading their way.
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04-21-2012, 04:43 PM
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25. Houston Texans
Stephen Hill WR, Georgia Tech Grey Ghost is out and I have his draft board so we'll fire it off in hopes that ShadowFacts can get his in before heading out the door. I am buying in on Stephen Hill. His college stats are mediocre at best and he'll be labeled a T-shirt and Shorts Superstar, but I think there's something to this GT trend of WRs coming out who are all cut from the same mold. Hill isn't the next Megatron, but I think he'll be better than Thomas. Lining up opposite Andre Johnson is a pretty excellent scenario for him and that offense could be truly scary with a more consistent performer. Hill may or not be consistent, but his upside is undeniable. The Texans may regret not focusing on the OL after some of the defections but no one has really slipped here to make it worth passing on what I consider to be the 3rd best WR prospect in the draft.
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04-21-2012, 04:49 PM
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Wow, my auto-correct totally messed up my pick.
23. Jonathan Martin, OT Stanford
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OK, I am going to try to do this from my phone. Bear with me ...
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04-21-2012, 07:20 PM
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I'm of two minds about Stephen Hill. I think he's the only potential bust I'd be OK with the 49ers taking at #30. His size and speed are too much to ignore, and we can afford to wait for him to develop. With Moss and Manningham, and a probable second WR later in the draft, they can teach him up and be patient.
There are others I'd pick over him, but I won't revolt if it ends up being Hill. By the way, here is a great big board from DraftTek that lists the scheme-specific position a player would play, such as 3-4 or 4-3 defense, or if a WR is a "#1" or a slot guy. Last edited by garygnu; 04-21-2012 at 07:23 PM.
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Sorry, my phone is literally about to die, so I muat be quick & can't format...
27. NE Patriots Whitney Mercilus DE, Illinois Probably early for him, but I'm out of time. More thoughts later.
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04-21-2012, 10:20 PM
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OK, so now that I'm back to my computer and can expound a bit, I'll take the opportunity to put the pick in the proper format:
27. New England Patriots Whitney Mercilus DE/OLB, Illinois As I mentioned in my previous post on this pick, it may be a little early for Mercilus here (though I've seen multiple mocks with him landing here). I would not be surprised for the real Patriots to trade down. He's really only had one good year in 2011, but it was a stellar year. From what I've read (haven't seen any film on him), he can be the kind of versatile player that Belichick loves, capable of playing in the 4-3 with his his hand down or in the 3-4 rushing from the linebacker spot. Pats definitely need some line help with Andre Carter uncertain to return and Gerard Warren gone.
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"To my Man Omni. Whose vast knowledge of all things Football far exceeds the scope of his beer-reachin arm".
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Thrilled that Hill made it to 26. I know he's got a bad case of the dropsies, and he can't play PR/KR like Wright (and therefore make Jacoby Jones totally superfluous), but he's got fantastic speed and size. Also, he's a good run blocker, and that seems to be something this team prizes in its WRs. Perfectly happy with drafting him here. Plus, I haven't read any 16% stories or heard of any blown opportunities like Wright at the Combine 40. He hasn't given me reason to suspect his head isn't where it should be. Really, I'd have been O.K. with any of the top three remaining guys on my draft board, as all of them fill areas of need and all seem like they'll be competent pros. When do you all think we'll make it to 2nd round, 16th pick (the Jets)? Trying to figure out if I'll be back in time, or if I need to cobble together a board for Omni. Looking back at it, I probably could've drafted Mercilus at 16 and still been able to grab Massie in the 2nd. Oh well. Love the Mercilus pick for NE, by the way. IIRC, he was next on my list, after Hill. If he can treat NFL tackles the way he treated many in the Big-10, he'll do O.K.
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I;m working on it, give me 15 minutes. Mulling the trade.
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By the end of the year the Packers were getting no pressure on the opposing quarterback. We really need to get Clay Matthews freed up on his side so I am going to get some help for him on the other side.
28. Green Bay Packers Courtney Upshaw, DE, Alabama His combine was not impressive, but in actual competition the guy just pops, he is a force. And he did it against SEC competition and at the Senior Bowl. I think he is perfect for the 3-4, but seems to be flexible enough to be standing or hand down. I had a trade offered by garygnu to move down two spots and considered it, but my philosophy is when the player you want is available you shouldn't try to be too clever. Last edited by Gangster Octopus; 04-22-2012 at 02:26 PM.
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29. Baltimore Ravens
Dont'a Hightower ILB, Alabama I took a hard look at the remaining OL prospects and determined it's way too early to take Kevin Zeitler, Mike Adams, or Peter Konz to get them some help along an OL that's been depleted by the free agent departures of Ben Grubbs and Evan Mathis. They need to find young players to learn from and eventually take over for the great but declining Ray Lewis and Ed Reed, butLuke Kuechly and Mark Barron long gone, as well as the elite OL prospects. I'm taking the "safe" pick here and taking a guy who could be a suitable protege for Ray Lewis. He's big and athletic. He's not great in coverage, much more of a run-stuffing/pass rushing ILB, but he has good instincts and high marks for intelligence and leadership. Will do very well in the Ravens' system.
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30. San Francisco 49ers
Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford Got the player I wanted when I offered the trade to the Packers, so no big loss there. It's not like the 49ers need a tight end, but with a team with the luxury of not having a glaring need anywhere, I can take both the best player available and a (IMHO) future star. Jim Harbaugh loves him some multiple-tight end sets, and defenses would have to fear both Fleener and Davis as receivers, taking pressure off the wideouts.
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Patriots are currently in negotiations regarding the #31 pick. Stay tuned.
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Demaryius Thomas at Georgia Tech: 46 catches, 1154 yards, 25.1 ypc, 8 td's. 1st team ACC. Stephen Hill at Georgia Tech: 28 catches, 820 yards, 29.3 ypc, 5 td's. I noticed a tad bit of difference. I understand that Hill has a great size/speed combination and plays at a run first school, but that run first school didn't stop Megatron or Demaryius Thomas from passing 1000 yards, or even more than 28 catches. He's shown himself to have unreliable hands, and, while that ypc average is astonishing, he'll also drop an easy pass. He's another one who has risen up the draft board not because of how he plays football, but how he test in shorts. He may very well develop, but he's raw, drops way too many passes, and has very little to show for all those measureables. He's , to me, another project who will be overdrafted. Last edited by Hamlet; 04-22-2012 at 05:25 PM.
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A couple names I might have toyed with would have been Harrison Smith, Jerel Worthy/Jared Crick, or maybe even Brandon Wheedon. Unless someone drops, I'm not sure it's a good place to be. Last edited by Hamlet; 04-22-2012 at 06:48 PM.
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OK, well the Pats were unable to work out a trade, so they will continue to address the defensive front 7 with:
31. New England Patriots Shea McCLellin OLB/DE Boise St. McClellin is a bit undersized, but definitely fits the Pats mold of being a versatile player. In college, he spent time at DE, OLB and ILB. The Pats use both 4-3 and 3-4 schemes, so that versatility is useful. While he doesn't have superb athleticism, he's got a great motor and never stops, and is also a natural leader. I also considered looking at the secondary here, which is a definite need, but I think better value can be had later in the draft.
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And we close out the first round with the selection of:
32. New York Giants Mike Adams T, Ohio State The Giants have plenty of areas of need, and OT is definitely one of those. Although the running game was fine in the playoffs, it stank most of the year. Their offensive line is in dire need of new blood. There were players they had rated higher on their board, but none in areas that had to be addressed right away. So Adams was the pick.
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First Round Recap
1. Indianapolis Colts - garygnu
Andrew Luck QB, Stanford 2. Washington Redskins - DCnDC Robert Griffin III QB, Baylor 3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Oakminster (from Minnesota) 1 Trent Richardson RB, Alabama 4. Cleveland Browns - SenorBeef Morris Claiborne CB, LSU 5. Minnesota Vikings - Hamlet (from Tampa Bay) 1 Matt Kalil OT, USC 6. St. Louis Rams - RetroVertigo Justin Blackmon WR, Oklahoma State 7. Jacksonville Jaguars - furt Michael Floyd WR, Notre Dame 8. Miami Dolphins - Omniscient Melvin Ingram OLB, South Carolina 9. Carolina Panthers - Jules Andre Fletcher Cox DT, Mississippi St. 10. Buffalo Bills - Omniscient Riley Reiff OT, Iowa 11. Kansas City Chiefs - SenorBeef Dontari Poe DT, Memphis 12. Seattle Seahawks - Hamlet Quinton Coples DE, North Carolina 13. Arizona Cardinals - RetroVertigo Kendall Wright WR, Baylor 14. Dallas Cowboys - kidchameleon Mark Barron S, Alabama 15. Philadelphia Eagles - Jules Andre Luke Kuechly LB, Boston College 16. New York Jets - Gray Ghost Bobby Massie OT, Ole Miss 17. Cincinnati Bengals - It's Not Rocket Surgery! David DeCastro, G, Stanford 18. San Diego Chargers - TheBoltEater Nick Perry DE/OLB, USC 19. Chicago Bears - Omniscient Stephon Gilmore CB, South Carolina 20. Miami Dolphins - Omniscient (from Tennessee) 2 Ryan Tannehill QB, Texas A&M 21. Cincinnati Bengals - It's Not Rocket Surgery! Dre Kirkpatrick CB, Alabama 22. Cleveland Browns - SenorBeef Cordy Glenn G/T, Georgia 23. Detroit Lions - Gangster Octopus Jonathan Martin, OT Stanford 24. Pittsburgh Steelers - furt Michael Brockers DT, LSU 25. Denver Broncos - TheBoltEater Devon Still DT, Penn State 26. Houston Texans - Gray Ghost Stephen Hill WR, Georgia Tech 27. New England Patriots - ShadowFacts Whitney Mercilus DE/OLB, Illinois 28. Green Bay Packers - Gangster Octopus Courtney Upshaw, DE, Alabama 29. Baltimore Ravens - DCnDC Dont'a Hightower ILB, Alabama 30. San Francisco 49ers - garygnu Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford 31. New England Patriots - ShadowFacts Shea McCLellin OLB/DE Boise St. 32. New York Giants - It's Not Rocket Surgery! Mike Adams T, Ohio State 1 Tampa trades their 2012 1st and 2nd round picks to Minnesota, in exchange for the Vikings 2012 1st and 6th round picks. 2 Tennessee trades their 2012 1st round pick to Miami, in exchange for the Dolphins 2012 2n round pick and their 2013 1st round pick. It's Sunday evening, I suspect most everyone is around so lets power through round 2. I'll post the updated 2nd round draft order shortly.
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Starting Round 2
1 (33). Indianapolis Colts Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin The Colts have so many needs it's hard to pick one guy. Offensive playmaker for Luck? Help for the horrible defense? Ultimately I picked protection for Luck and a replacement for Jeff Saturday. I really like Konz; he happens to be next BPA on my board, and I think Luck's hand will be touching Konz's crotch for a decade (if you know what I mean). I wouldn't mind the 49ers taking Konz at 30 in real life.
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