Ambivalid: I know a crackhead, so I'm professor of crackology now

[SecretaryofEvil]

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...d.php?t=650198

Ambivalid is so annoying and obstinately ignorant in this thread that I figured I'd bring it straight to the pit before I got another one of those mod notes for calling a moron a moron.

Hey guys did you know that crack is bad? I didn't, but thankfully Ambivalid channeled his inner 80s guy and started a thread to warn us.

Apparently, one of Ambivalid's buddies is addicted to crack and is a dipshit. Therefore, every single person in the world who has a crack problem must act in the exact same way. And we have to be informed in lurid detail just how disgusting and depraved someone who is a prostitute and also likes crack is. Any one who has experience dealing with crack addicts from their work in the legal or medical fields doesn't know as much about drug addiction as Ambivalid. Any one who has anecdotal experience with crack users, well their experiences with crackheads must be wrong, because all crackheads have to act exactly the way Ambivalid thinks they do.

It's just galling to me that this idiot comes in here and starts spouting off fun facts from one of those pamphlets they had about drugs in the nurses office in high school then shakes his head with pity at the poor fools who aren't as well versed in the topic as he is. It's made worse by how many dopers can't wait to chime in with "Crack is destroying America's youth! My friend's cousin, he was addicted to crack and he stole his mom's car! Crackheads are inhuman monsters and the police need higher caliber pistols to stop them!"

What kind of sheltered fucking bizarro world does Ambivalid live in that he's just now realizing that people who smoke a bunch of crack are probably not people you want to hang out with? One where everybody secretly hates people in wheelchairs but having personal experience with a crack addict is as rare as having personal experience with a mafia boss apparently.

I'm not trying to challenge Ambivalid's street cred, but he seems to know jack shit about drugs. I'm not trying to ruin the sensationalists' day though, so as a concession here's a link to New Jack City, the best anti-crack movie ever!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgdIP6ZDHnM

Be sure to look out for a young Chris Rock as Pookie the crackhead. Even this stereotypical crackhead character isn't half as bad as Ambivalid insists all crack abusers are.

[Living Well Is Best Revenge]

I agree with this pitting. His know-it-all-crack-attitude makes no sense. Sure some are depraved monsters, but so are plenty of non-crack addicts.

And the whole thing about crack being SO MUCH WORSE than any other drug is stupid. Meth addiction is no picnic either. No is the old garden variety alcoholism case.

Like I said in the other thread, I think the OP was just shocked at what he learned about his friend.

[Bob Ducca]

FTB

[Dave Hartwick]

I was going to say that the guy deserves censure just for the RANDOM SCARE CAPS but then you did it too. TRUST ME RANDOM SCARE CAPS ARE AS BAD AS CRACK. I KNOW.

[SecretaryofEvil]

Originally Posted by Dave Hartwick

I was going to say that the guy deserves censure just for the RANDOM SCARE CAPS but then you did it too. TRUST ME RANDOM SCARE CAPS ARE AS BAD AS CRACK. I KNOW.

I'll repeat myself: You simply were unaware of the true depths of depravity that scare caps are capable of. They are extremely adept at hiding things and deceiving.

[Alice The Goon]

You could have just said your piece in that thread- it's not something that deserves it's own pitting. Do you just not like him and were waiting for him to say something the least bit annoying, so that you could jump and pit him for it? That's the impression this thread gives me.

[MsWhatsit]

Yeah, this thread feels a bit like, "Ambivalid is back on the boards and that pisses me off." Which, if so, you should have just titled it that instead, because this thread is weaksauce.

[SecretaryofEvil]

Ambivalid and I have almost no shared posting history. The only thing I know about him is that he is very sensitive about his handicap, which is I suppose is understandable.

I pitted him for this thread specifically, because his attitude in it was driving me nuts. I didn't feel like engaging him in a serious debate about the habits of people addicted to crack cocaine. I felt like disparaging him for deciding that he was immediately an expert on this subject, and that everyone else in the world was just too naive to grasp what he was saying.

[living_in_hell]

But...but...what about the starving birds?!

On behalf of the idiots who posted in that thread, I give this pitting a "WH!"

[living_in_hell]

"I felt like disparaging him for deciding that he was immediately an expert on this subject, and that everyone else in the world was just too naive to grasp what he was saying."

[Giraffe]

Ambivalid needed to pipe down (see what I did there?) and let the real experts talk: Alice the Goon and living_in_hell. I thought they were the real voices of reason in that thread.

[living_in_hell]

Originally Posted by Alice The Goon

You could have just said your piece in that thread- it's not something that deserves it's own pitting. Do you just not like him and were waiting for him to say something the least bit annoying, so that you could jump and pit him for it? That's the impression this thread gives me.

That's kind of how I felt about your comment in the "make a bad forumite" (or whatever) thread.

[Alice The Goon]

Originally Posted by living_in_hell

That's kind of how I felt about your comment in the "make a bad forumite" (or whatever) thread.

Why would you think that was about you? You seem to make a lot of threads about you, no matter your original intent. Let's get back to the lame-ass pitting and not hijack yet another thread, shall we?

[SecretaryofEvil]

Originally Posted by Alice The Goon

You could have just said your piece in that thread- it's not something that deserves it's own pitting. Do you just not like him and were waiting for him to say something the least bit annoying, so that you could jump and pit him for it? That's the impression this thread gives me.

Lol oh you're the one who called crack addicts subhuman and claimed that "It's pretty commonly known that crack can be devastatingly addicting with just one use"

(Laughs derisively)

[Alice The Goon]

Originally Posted by SecretaryofEvil

Lol oh you're the one who called crack addicts subhuman and claimed that "It's pretty commonly known that crack can be devastatingly addicting with just one use"

(Laughs derisively)

That doesn't make sense. You're not a very good secretary of evil. Maybe you should be treasurer.

[Giraffe]

::sighs contentedly::

[living_in_hell]

Originally Posted by Alice The Goon

Why would you think that was about you? You seem to make a lot of threads about you, no matter your original intent. Let's get back to the lame-ass pitting and not hijack yet another thread, shall we?

Oh. My error then. I assumed when you said "not hate, just irritated" after I replied, that you meant me. Sorry. I didn't realize that posting meant I made something about me...especially in that thread.

Whatever whatever sera sera

[secretsmile36]

Originally Posted by Alice The Goon

Why would you think that was about you? You seem to make a lot of threads about you, no matter your original intent. Let's get back to the lame-ass pitting and not hijack yet another thread, shall we?

I agree this is one lame-ass pitting.

[Inner Stickler]

Originally Posted by Giraffe

Ambivalid needed to pipe down (see what I did there?) and let the real experts talk: Alice the Goon and living_in_hell. I thought they were the real voices of reason in that thread.

Oh, you and your deadpan humor.

I found the thread very enlightening. Not ever having known any crackheads, if I do ever meet one, I'll be sure to point and scream "Unclean! Unclean!"

Have there been any movements to relocate crackheads underground? You know, because they're sub-human?

[SecretaryofEvil]

Originally Posted by SecretaryofEvil

Lol oh you're the one who called crack addicts subhuman and claimed that "It's pretty commonly known that crack can be devastatingly addicting with just one use"

(Laughs derisively)

Originally Posted by Alice The Goon

That doesn't make sense. You're not a very good secretary of evil. Maybe you should be treasurer.

Damn, maybe I should change my name to treasurer of evil, it's pretty catchy.

What doesn't make sense about it? You said those things in the thread, and they were dickish and inaccurate, so now I know not to take what you say seriously in this thread.

[Alice The Goon]

Originally Posted by SecretaryofEvil

Damn, maybe I should change my name to treasurer of evil, it's pretty catchy.

What doesn't make sense about it? You said those things in the thread, and they were dickish and inaccurate, so now I know not to take what you say seriously in this thread.

I'm not the only one with the opinion that active crackheads are subhuman- why would you single me out for that? And I have heard over and over since the 80's that crack can be addictive with one use. So sorry if I offended you by saying those two things. I didn't come in here to be insulted or fight with people- I just wanted to comment that this pitting seemed gratuitous. I'm out.

[Loach]

Crack is wack.

[living_in_hell]

Originally Posted by Inner Stickler

Oh, you and your deadpan humor.

I found the thread very enlightening. Not ever having known any crackheads, if I do ever meet one, I'll be sure to point and scream "Unclean! Unclean!"

Have there been any movements to relocate crackheads underground? You know, because they're sub-human?

Um duh--how are they going to steal VCRs and perform sex acts if they're underground?

WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN???!!!

[living_in_hell]

Originally Posted by SecretaryofEvil

Damn, maybe I should change my name to treasurer of evil, it's pretty catchy.

What doesn't make sense about it? You said those things in the thread, and they were dickish and inaccurate, so now I know not to take what you say seriously in this thread.

I would like to be "runner up of evil" in case you are unable to fulfill your duties.

[SecretaryofEvil]

Originally Posted by Alice The Goon

I'm not the only one with the opinion that active crackheads are subhuman- why would you single me out for that? And I have heard over and over since the 80's that crack can be addictive with one use. So sorry if I offended you by saying those two things. I didn't come in here to be insulted or fight with people- I just wanted to comment that this pitting seemed gratuitous. I'm out.

People can decide that crack is something they like after one use. People can experience a psychological "come down" after their first use of crack wears off. But the idea that crack cocaine, or any substance for that matter, can be physically addictive after one use is laughably stupid.

[bucketybuck]

Well, I thought that thread was good craic.

[alice_in_wonderland]

Originally Posted by SecretaryofEvil

People can decide that crack is something they like after one use. People can experience a psychological "come down" after their first use of crack wears off. But the idea that crack cocaine, or any substance for that matter, can be physically addictive after one use is laughably stupid.

Wait - I'm sure I heard Nancy Reagan say that crack was addictive after only one use. After just thinking about using, in fact.

Nancy wouldn't LIE to me, would she?

[DianaG]

Well not technically, since I'm sure she believed it. Her astrologer told her so.

[living_in_hell]

Originally Posted by alice_in_wonderland

Wait - I'm sure I heard Nancy Reagan say that crack was addictive after only one use. After just thinking about using, in fact.

Nancy wouldn't LIE to me, would she?

She did say "just say no" so according to my magic 8 ball, "all signs point to Nancy."

[secretsmile36]

nm

[Giraffe]

Originally Posted by Inner Stickler

I found the thread very enlightening. Not ever having known any crackheads, if I do ever meet one, I'll be sure to point and scream "Unclean! Unclean!"

Ah, you're an adherent to the Alice school of thought, I see. Me, I'm more of a living_in_hell_ist. Just because the last ten crack addicts I let stay in my guest room stole my phone, wallet and laptop doesn't mean I'm entitled to make generalizations about an entire group of people. Everybody is special and unique in their own special and unique way.

[Dave Hartwick]

Originally Posted by living_in_hell

She did say "just say no" so according to my magic 8 ball, "all signs point to Nancy."

You're a lot of the reason why that thread was annoying. You know that, right? I'm surprised you can type so well through all the drool on your keyboard, you muppet.

[Labrador Deceiver]

Originally Posted by secretsmile36

This pitting is laughably stupid. You can get hooked after one use so stop with the ignorant statements ok?



http://drug-addiction-info.com/Crack_Addiction.html

What a shitty, shitty cite you have there.

"One hit can get anyone addicted.". What the hell does that even mean?

[DianaG]

This pitting is laughably stupid. You can get hooked after one use so stop with the ignorant statements ok?

Your citation is laughably stupid. Seriously, that's some craptastic propaganda right there.

Hell, right off the top, they claim that drug abuse is the third leading cause of death in the US. The CDC begs to differ.

[hamwater]

I'm going to agree with the OP. Knowing one crackhead doesn't make Ambivalid Crackopedia. The one thing all crackheads have in common is that they are addicted to crack. They are not all sexually promiscuous (crack does not make everyone universally horny), they are not all prostitutes, they are not all thieves. They are all addicts, and there are similarities, but they are not identical. One friend in trouble does not make you an expert, and you look a bit foolish spouting a lot of this nonsense as if it were fact.

[Labrador Deceiver]

Originally Posted by hamwater

I'm going to agree with the OP. Knowing one crackhead doesn't make Ambivalid Crackopedia. The one thing all crackheads have in common is that they are addicted to crack. They are not all sexually promiscuous (crack does not make everyone universally horny), they are not all prostitutes, they are not all thieves. They are all addicts, and there are similarities, but they are not identical. One friend in trouble does not make you an expert, and you look a bit foolish spouting a lot of this nonsense as if it were fact.

By "friend", he means "guy I'm not very close to, but have known for 3 years".

[Freudian Slit]

Originally Posted by Giraffe

Ah, you're an adherent to the Alice school of thought, I see. Me, I'm more of a living_in_hell_ist. Just because the last ten crack addicts I let stay in my guest room stole my phone, wallet and laptop doesn't mean I'm entitled to make generalizations about an entire group of people. Everybody is special and unique in their own special and unique way.

We have much to learn from them.

[kayaker]

I'll have you know I put down my pipe to read this thread. Fuck.

[DianaG]

Amateur.

[Munch]

Originally Posted by hamwater

Ambivalid Crackopedia

This board has come up with a lot of shitty band names, but that one's the worst.

[Iggins]

Originally Posted by Munch

Ambivalid Crackopedia

This board has come up with a lot of shitty band names, but that one's the worst.

I nomintate this as "post of the day." Well done.

[living_in_hell]

Originally Posted by Dave Hartwick

You're a lot of the reason why that thread was annoying. You know that, right? I'm surprised you can type so well through all the drool on your keyboard, you muppet.

How so? Because I was just trying to be humane?

And anyway jokes on you I have an iPad without a keyboard. Zing!

[Autolycus]

I wonder how many drugs one could do at the same time before they exploded.

[Qadgop the Mercotan]

Originally Posted by Autolycus

I wonder how many drugs one could do at the same time before they exploded.

I had one guy who did 42 different discrete drugs all at about the same time, and he did not explode.

He sure leaked a lot, though.

Seriously folks, I've been treating addicts and alcoholics for over 30 years. I've even been clean and sober myself for well over 21 years. And my take-home message on the disease of addiction is that it really, really sucks. And it can take otherwise lovely people and turn them into seeming monsters.

Fortunately, many do recover. But not enough.

[SecretaryofEvil]

What did Secretsmile36 get banned for?

[living_in_hell]

Originally Posted by Qadgop the Mercotan

I had one guy who did 42 different discrete drugs all at about the same time, and he did not explode.

He sure leaked a lot, though.

Seriously folks, I've been treating addicts and alcoholics for over 30 years. I've even been clean and sober myself for well over 21 years. And my take-home message on the disease of addiction is that it really, really sucks. And it can take otherwise lovely people and turn them into seeming monsters.

Fortunately, many do recover. But not enough.

Can you kindly confirm that use, abuse, and dependence are not the same?

[Giraffe]

Originally Posted by SecretaryofEvil

What did Secretsmile36 get banned for?

Being a sock. If you have to ask, it's for being a sock. (Although they should have been banned for bumping that dentist thread to repeat a stale Seinfeld joke.)

[SecretaryofEvil]

Originally Posted by Giraffe

Being a sock. If you have to ask, it's for being a sock. (Although they should have been banned for bumping that dentist thread to repeat a stale Seinfeld joke.)

I suspected something like that. Is there anyway of telling who's sock it was?

[Giraffe]

Originally Posted by SecretaryofEvil

I suspected something like that. Is there anyway of telling who's sock it was?

You can PM a mod or admin, they might tell you.

[Ambivalid]

Originally Posted by hamwater

I'm going to agree with the OP. Knowing one crackhead doesn't make Ambivalid Crackopedia. The one thing all crackheads have in common is that they are addicted to crack. They are not all sexually promiscuous (crack does not make everyone universally horny), they are not all prostitutes, they are not all thieves. They are all addicts, and there are similarities, but they are not identical. One friend in trouble does not make you an expert, and you look a bit foolish spouting a lot of this nonsense as if it were fact.

I am not basing the things that I say on my experiences with this (former) friend. At least not on the experiences alone. When I discovered that she was indeed a crackhead, I found myself submerged in research on the drug and it's addiction and subsequent lifestyle that follows. This is information that is out there, if you want to find it. The link I gave in my OP is a great source of much information on the matter. Crack addicts are all* sexually promiscuous, they are all horny and they are all thieves and prostitutes. They might not resort to such drastic behavior earlier on in their addictions because they have someone taking care of them-someone they are conning or manipulating. Or they may be clinging to a job. But they will resort to these things eventually. The sex/crack connection is undeniable and inseparable.


*There are always exceptions to the rule but this is the rule.