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Old 05-14-2012, 11:40 PM
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I scared the crap out of my family tonight

My memory...

I was snoozing nicely when I realized someone was pushing on my stomach/diaphragm. WTF... why can't they just let me sleep. It kept up and I realized it was my daughter... she is usually the nice one and doesn't bother me when I nap (unlike my boys). I awake enough to push her hands aside and tell her to knock it off.

Then, I hear my wife (cell phone to ear) yelling are you ok!?! and my daughter standing over me looking stunned. I respond, I'm fine... what are you doing?

My wife is still very upset and my daughter is looking confused. My wife asks... don't you remember anything?

Slowly the fog starts to clear from my "nap."

I'll back up a bit. I've had a cough for several weeks due to a side effect of an older medication. I'm back on the good stuff now (doesn't cause the cough), but my doctor told me it would take a few weeks for the cough to stop.

Back to tonight... I was watching TV with my wife and daughter. Normal evening, nothing special. At some point I was talking, and I had to cough... but I had just exhaled. My diaphragm was having spasms trying to force the coughs out, but my lungs were trying desperately to get some air in. My wife said "are you ok?" and I shook my head "no."

Cue back to the beginning of this saga.

Daughter thought I was choking and since her 100 lbs wasn't going to move me (almost twice her weight) from my relaxed and reclining position she was doing her best at improvising the Heimlich and my wife was frantically trying to dial 911.

It only lasted maybe 10 seconds or so... the body is an amazing thing. I ran out of oxygen, my body shut down which allowed the diaphragm to relax and the brain kicked in and let me take a breath in and then put things back to normal. I actually felt a bit "rested" then I woke back up. Daughter went back to studying a minute later... wife was still breathing hard about an hour later.

All in all, nothing serious, but I guess I have to be nice to my daughter for a while (seriously, I'm very proud of how she promptly reacted)
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Old 05-15-2012, 12:07 AM
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YIKES! I hope you're ok. Did the paramedics come?
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Old 05-15-2012, 12:24 AM
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No, in real time it only lasted about 10-15 seconds. I just passed out briefly until my body could recover from the coughing fit.

My wife's time though though it was "several minutes"... she got the numbers punched in but hadn't hit the send button yet.

I should also clarify, my daughter is 17... volunteers at a hospital, and is going into pre-med, so she knew what she was doing. Didn't want anyone to think this was some amazing 4 year old.
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Old 05-15-2012, 02:20 AM
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Wow, scared me, too, reading this. Dude, do yourself and your family a favor. Call your doctor tomorrow and let him know what happened. Nothing is too small to bother him with. Even if you think it's "nothing" your doctor might think otherwise. Not to sound alarmist, but letting him know may save your life.
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Old 05-15-2012, 02:33 AM
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Wow, scared me, too, reading this. Dude, do yourself and your family a favor. Call your doctor tomorrow and let him know what happened. Nothing is too small to bother him with. Even if you think it's "nothing" your doctor might think otherwise. Not to sound alarmist, but letting him know may save your life.
Listen to cochrane.
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Old 05-15-2012, 03:08 AM
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I agree, you should see your healthcare provider. What you describe could be Tussive (cough) Syncope. It's usually seen in middle aged men, who smoke or have smoked in the past, who are overweight, or drink alcohol, but it can happen to other groups as well.

It's main danger is hurting oneself. My husband had it when he got whooping cough. He was unable to drive for several weeks. He ended up in the ER a couple times for head lacerations from falling and hitting stuff on the way down.
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Old 05-15-2012, 05:19 AM
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I should also clarify, my daughter is 17... volunteers at a hospital, and is going into pre-med, so she knew what she was doing. Didn't want anyone to think this was some amazing 4 year old.
Amazing 17 year-old though
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Old 05-15-2012, 05:49 AM
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Yeah, pretty much any loss of consciousness, even brief (that isn't obvious and intentional sleep) should be checked out. Yes, it's probable that it was the cough that did it. But it could have been a slight stroke, or a heart attack (sometimes those have no symptoms at all) or something else that your health care team really should be keeping an eye on.

I know, I know, saying "go see your doctor" is easy from the assumption that you have a doctor, and medical insurance, and money for the deductible. Those are the harder issues to deal with.

Tell your daughter that next time she should drag you down by your ankles and get you on the floor. Improvisation is brilliant in the theater and when doing dressing changes. Not so good for CPR. But good thinking nonetheless.
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Old 05-15-2012, 07:01 AM
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I appreciate the concern from everyone and the advise to see my doctor... I was in his office about 9 hours earlier than this incident and we were talking about the cough. It is a direct side effect of the blood pressure medication that I had been taking. I've got about two more weeks before it will clear up. I've been coughing for about 3 weeks now, and this was just an unfortunate coincidence that I had fully exhaled when the coughs started and I couldn't get a breath in.
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Old 05-15-2012, 01:25 PM
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Improvisation is brilliant in the theater and when doing dressing changes. Not so good for CPR.
She was going for the Heimlich, not CPR. She thought he was choking.
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Old 05-15-2012, 01:28 PM
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I appreciate the concern from everyone and the advise to see my doctor... I was in his office about 9 hours earlier than this incident and we were talking about the cough. It is a direct side effect of the blood pressure medication that I had been taking. I've got about two more weeks before it will clear up. I've been coughing for about 3 weeks now, and this was just an unfortunate coincidence that I had fully exhaled when the coughs started and I couldn't get a breath in.
Maybe you should give his office a call about this anyway. I'm not trying to be alarmist, really, but I don't think I can handle another "Doper posts about weird medical problem one day/his spouse comes on the next day to post about his death" situation right now.
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Old 05-15-2012, 01:29 PM
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Thanks for telling us that the daughter was 17. From this "...I realized it was my daughter... she is usually the nice one and doesn't bother me when I nap (unlike my boys)." I had assumed she was a tyke. Great daughter, by the way. They can come in handy, let me tell you (said the proud father of two daughters).

And, if you can, go see a doctor.
Good luck!
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Old 05-15-2012, 01:44 PM
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She was going for the Heimlich, not CPR. She thought he was choking.
Right. The Heimlich can only be done if the choker is upright, which the OP's daughter didn't know. If they're unconscious and you get them flat on the ground, you can do chest compressions, which can force an item blocking the airway out, and is a step of CPR. If a person is unconscious and not breathing, you're talking about CPR.

Protocols for healthcare providers (which she should learn if she's going into healthcare): http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...ient=firefox-a Section 6.4 is what you're looking for.

For someone who is not a healthcare provider, if a person is unconscious and not breathing, you just start chest compressions. No need to even look in the mouth, because we no longer recommend sticking your fingers in there to fish something out, and no need to head tilt chin lift, because we no longer recommend rescue breaths. Just lay 'em flat on the hardest surface you've got (drag 'em to tile if you have thick plush carpet) and pump on their chest (1.5-2" deep, on the lower half of the breastbone, but not the end of it) to the rhythm of "Staying Alive" while someone else calls 911.

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Old 05-15-2012, 05:07 PM
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Thanks for telling us that the daughter was 17. From this "...I realized it was my daughter... she is usually the nice one and doesn't bother me when I nap (unlike my boys)." I had assumed she was a tyke. Great daughter, by the way. They can come in handy, let me tell you (said the proud father of two daughters).
My boys... also teens, have no problem treating me like one of their own. If I fall asleep on the couch, it isn't uncommon to feel an annoying tickle, poke, or to wake up with something precariously balanced on me somewhere. It's ok, I'm the one that showed them originally.
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Old 05-15-2012, 06:01 PM
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Right. The Heimlich can only be done if the choker is upright, which the OP's daughter didn't know.
Actually, I was mostly upright. I was sitting at the end of the couch, so probably reclined no more that 10 degrees in the corner. She was doing abdominal thrusts just like I was taught to do many years ago.

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If they're unconscious and you get them flat on the ground, you can do chest compressions, which can force an item blocking the airway out, and is a step of CPR. If a person is unconscious and not breathing, you're talking about CPR.
It has been many years since I was certified so I don't doubt you that things have changed, but do they really want you to do chest compressions when my heart was beating just fine? I thought compressions to the heart could seriously mess with the rhythm and do more harm than good.

For those who said to follow up anyway, I did give my Dr. a call today. He asked a ton of questions, and at the end decided it wasn't anything to worry about, but if I feel the tell tale "tickle" that triggers these coughs, to stop what I'm saying and take a deep breath rather than trying to finish my point before being interrupted with a cough (what can I say, I'm a doper and I had a point to make so I tried to get it out before coughing).

As for those who commented that I have an amazing 17 year old daughter... I couldn't agree with you more on so many levels.
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Old 05-15-2012, 08:50 PM
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It has been many years since I was certified so I don't doubt you that things have changed, but do they really want you to do chest compressions when my heart was beating just fine?
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Nope. Further research says no, go ahead and give compressions if they're not breathing. If they're choking, it's your best bet for dislodging whatever's blocking the airway. If they're not, it will make sure oxygenated blood is circulating. Either way, it's unlikely to disturb the heart (although it's possible to break ribs and cause a lot of bruising, of course.)

We don't even teach anyone to check for a pulse anymore. Not even medical professionals. It takes too much time and it's too hard to find and you can have a pulse without the heart beating effectively and it doesn't hurt people to get chest compressions even if their heart is beating.

Not trained in CPR? Call 911 and start Chest Compressions. That's it. Two steps.
http://www.handsonlycpr.org/

Trained in CPR? Then you may use rescue breaths if the airway is clear, but only AFTER compressions.
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Here is a step-by-step guide for the new CPR:

1. Call 911 or ask someone else to do so.

2. Try to get the person to respond; if he doesn't, roll the person on his or her back.

3. Start chest compressions. Place the heel of your hand on the center of the victim's chest. Put your other hand on top of the first with your fingers interlaced.

4. Press down so you compress the chest at least 2 inches in adults and children and 1.5 inches in infants. ''One hundred times a minute or even a little faster is optimal," Sayre says. (That's about the same rhythm as the beat of the Bee Gee's song "Stayin' Alive.")

5. If you're been trained in CPR, you can now open the airway with a head tilt and chin lift.

6. Pinch closed the nose of the victim. Take a normal breath, cover the victim's mouth with yours to create an airtight seal, and then give two, one-second breaths as you watch for the chest to rise.

7. Continue compressions and breaths -- 30 compressions, two breaths -- until help arrives.
http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/h...ressions-first

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Old 05-15-2012, 09:20 PM
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What, you are claiming that medical advise changes over the years? As soon as I'm done with these leaches I'm going to look into this wild claim of yours.

I used to be a lifeguard, and a dive master (basically a lifeguard for scuba divers). It has been may years now since I've been certified and I knew lots of things had changed, but it may be time for me to actually get my certifications back up to date. Thanks for the update.

Although actually, I'm kind of glad she didn't break any of my ribs.
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Old 05-15-2012, 09:36 PM
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What, you are claiming that medical advise changes over the years? As soon as I'm done with these leaches I'm going to look into this wild claim of yours.
Save the leeches, we use those again. (Seriously - they help prevent blood clotting in delicate blood vessels after certain reconstructive surgeries!) We like maggots, too, to nibble away dead tissue from non-healing wounds. Special lab raised sterile maggots, of course.

Bet you think I'm joking.

But yeah, all things considered, I'm glad you don't have any broken ribs, too. That would totally suck with a chronic (resolving) cough!
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Old 05-15-2012, 11:07 PM
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Lisinopril, right?
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Old 05-15-2012, 11:15 PM
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Lisinopril, right?
Yup
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Old 05-16-2012, 12:16 PM
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Not trained in CPR? Call 911 and start Chest Compressions. That's it. Two steps.
http://www.handsonlycpr.org/
Stayin' Alive CPR (You Tube video)
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Old 05-16-2012, 02:56 PM
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I'll back up a bit. I've had a cough for several weeks due to a side effect of an older medication. I'm back on the good stuff now (doesn't cause the cough), but my doctor told me it would take a few weeks for the cough to stop....
ACE inhibitor, right?

I had the cough from that (though night-time only) and yes, it did settle down after a week or two off of it. Never had things go quite as dramatic as you did, however!! .
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Old 05-16-2012, 03:00 PM
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ACE inhibitor, right?

I had the cough from that (though night-time only) and yes, it did settle down after a week or two off of it. Never had things go quite as dramatic as you did, however!! .
Heh - just read more of the thread and yep - mine was even lisinopril.

As a side story, however, that probably saved my life. My cough manifested at nighttime only, and behaved EXACTLY like a reflux-induced cough. Several months attempting to treat it as such, and I got a referral to a gastroenterologist. By the time I saw him, I'd switched to an ARB and the cough was gone, but given that I do have reflux, he recommended an endoscopy anyway (risk of a precancerous condition).

Well, that didn't turn up anything scary... but "while we're at it, let's do the screening colonoscopy".

THAT was where the precancerous stuff came up.

So I have love-hate feelings about the lisinopril, and now routinely contribute to the "Colonoscopies Such" threads on the boards .
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Old 05-16-2012, 03:07 PM
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Just lay 'em flat on the hardest surface you've got (drag 'em to tile if you have thick plush carpet) and pump on their chest (1.5-2" deep, on the lower half of the breastbone, but not the end of it) to the rhythm of "Staying Alive" while someone else calls 911.
Or "Another One Bites The Dust".
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Old 05-16-2012, 03:39 PM
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I should also clarify, my daughter is 17... volunteers at a hospital, and is going into pre-med, so she knew what she was doing. Didn't want anyone to think this was some amazing 4 year old.
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Daughter thought I was choking and since her 100 lbs wasn't going to move me (almost twice her weight) from my relaxed and reclining position she was doing her best at improvising the Heimlich and my wife was frantically trying to dial 911.
If your daughter was 100 lbs and 4 years old, that would certainly be amazing in some sense, but probably not a good way.

I'm glad that you're doing okay!
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Old 05-16-2012, 05:44 PM
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Oy vey, this sounds way too familiar. I'm really glad this had a good ending -- and that you did speak with your doctor about it!

Something relatively similar happened to my sister and me last year. She was dealing with a urinary tract infection that was, as most are, very uncomfortable. Having had a few over the years, she was home-treating it the usual way (drinking unsweetened cranberry juice, etc.) that had always worked for her.

Anyway, she was over at my place for dinner, and feeling a great deal of discomfort and went to the bathroom. She was apparently pushing in with her diaphragm -- it's sort of natural to do so when you have a UTI since you feel a constant need to urinate that isn't being satisfied -- and while I was in the other room getting dinner ready, she sort of weakly called out "I'm really not feeling well..." Concerned, I went to the bathroom door (which was partially open) and of course asked her what was she feeling. She said "dizzy, cold..." I said, "You probably have a fever from the infection, let me in to see."

She didn't respond except for some basic moaning. So I went in and she was sort of bent over and rocking a little. I told her to let me feel her face/head. She leaned back so I could check, and I noticed that while the back of her head was warm, her forehead was clammy and cold, and she looked white as a ghost. I'm a hypochondriac and worrier by nature so I barked out, probably a bit harshly, "What exactly are you feeling, hon? Honey?"

She didn't answer, and I let go of her head to get a better look. This made her fall backwards (did I mention she's on the toilet at this point?) and just stare up at the ceilling. At first I thought she was just trying to concentrate and get some air, but then I looked at her eyes. .... Jesus, I can't explain it even now, but I can see them still... they looked flat. No life to them. I don't know how open eyes can look so different, I mean an eyeball is an eyeball, right? But there was absolutely no doubt in my mind that she was not seeing anything at all.

I said her name a couple of times, loudly, and lightly patted (okay, maybe slapped) her face. Nothing. And that dead look continued. Terrified, I quickly glanced down to see if she was breathing and I happened to notice her hands were moving... sort of plucking at her sides.

Now by some coincidence, almost twenty years ago I'd done research for a romance novel with a hero who had epilepsy, I had read that signs of a mild seizure can include a blank affect and hands plucking at one's side. So my immediate thought was : holy shit she's having a seizure of some kind.

I didn't wait any longer. I let go of her (rather unceremoniously letting her fall forward) and ran to my phone to dial 911. I was loudly describing exactly what was going on and giving my address when suddenly I heard my sister's voice: "Who the hell are you talking to?"

Well, obviously I ran back to see, and she was now again sitting normally, bent over a bit but not in any way looking the way she had before. I was that weird combination of relieved and angry that you can get after being scared, y'know? So I said "What the fuck do you think I'm doing, I'm calling for an ambulance, you just lost consciousness! Shut up and let me talk to them!" (Other people get this way too, right? You're so relieved but you're also pissed off at the person who made you feel so frightened even though it wasn't really their fault? Or is it just me?)

My sister, being my sister, insisted that I was being an over-worried, paranoid hypochondriac (to which I plead guilty on all counts) and to hang up the phone. I said "I SAID shut up and keep breathing" and ignored her, continuing to give the info to the dispatcher, who said the ambulance would be around soon. My sister now stood up (after, um, finishing her ablutions from the bathroom) and walked out to my main room, a bit slowly but not looking like someone who'd been figuratively dead to the world two minutes ago. She kept demandng that I not call an ambulance and I kept ignoring her.

Finally I hung up and explained exactly what happened. She didn't believe me. But she said she was feeling much better now, and I had to agree that her complexion was normal and in all respects she looked fine. She took a seat and we waited for the ambulance. The EMTs arrived, took her blood pressure (a bit low but not worryingly so -- frankly if they'd checked my blood pressure I have no doubt it was through the roof!) and her heart rate was a little fast in the mid-90s but nothing alarming. (Mine was about 120 at this point. But I'm prone to panic attacks and this surely was causing one.)

We explained what happened and the EMTs asked if she'd been drinking enough water. My sister admitted that she hadn't been drinking very much at all, and nothing but the cranberry juice, because it was hurting her to go to the bathroom. They also asked if she was straining from her UTI. My sister admitted yes, and to my surprise the EMT turned to me and asked, "were her hands moving weirdly at all?" I had almost forgotten that part and practically shouted "YES!!!" because I was so shocked that someone would be able to describe that so specifically.

Anyway, they said that it was almost certain that she'd experienced Vasovagal syncope. We both looked at each other in surprise because my sister, as a graduate social work student, had just learned about the vasovagal response the previous week! Anyway, they explained that sometimes straining too hard (due to constipation or, in my sister's case, a bladder / urinary tract infection) will cause syncope (fainting) due to the sudden loss of blood pressure. Often the hands will spasm (hence the plucking appearance). The body reacts by losing consciousness and usually once in a prone position, the blood pressure will normalize with blood returning to the head and returning consciousness.

That's basically what had happened -- when I'd made the decision to call 911 and dropped her like a sack of potatoes, she'd fallen to bend over her stomach so that her head was lowered and the blood came back to her head and she revived herself.

Of course the EMTs gave her the option of going to the hospital, and also of course my beloved nimrod of a sister said no, she felt fine. They told her to follow up with her doctor re: the urinary tract infection and obviously to call again if there was a similar episode. The UTI cleared up, and she's been much better about avoiding dehydration, and there've been no episodes since.

Anyway. So speaking from the other side of the story, yes, this situation DOES scare the crap out of your family, and they were smart to call 911. Thank God this is a different ending than we've had recently. Knock wood.
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Old 05-16-2012, 07:03 PM
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Stayin' Alive CPR (You Tube video)
Love the video! The less-appropriate song with a similar beat is Queen's "Another One Bites the Dust."
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:35 PM
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Stayin' Alive CPR (You Tube video)
Love it! The henchmen feeling the groove cracked me up.
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Or "Another One Bites The Dust".
Shhhhhhhhh! We don't tell that to people who just collapsed and stopped breathing!!!
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Old 05-16-2012, 09:04 PM
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Anyway. So speaking from the other side of the story, yes, this situation DOES scare the crap out of your family, and they were smart to call 911....
It's not much fun being on the fainter's side of things either, sometimes. A couple of years ago, my husband and son were away overnight, and I was home alone with my daughter (then 13ish). 11 PM, she'd gone to bed, I went upstairs as well to my bedroom, turned on the TV, and realized I was starting to feel queasy. The queasiness got worse, and I went into the bathroom to see if I needed to poop or something.

While sitting on the toilet (and to the best of my memory, I was not straining or anything), the room started to pixilate into black and I started to sway. I think I may have even been moving my hands oddly. I think I managed to groan or something, and the room started coming back and I quit swaying. THEN, I broke out into a cold sweat.

But as I was swaying, I remember being terrified that I was going to pass out, land on the floor, my call for help (if I was able to make one) would go unheard because of the TV... and my kids know better than to wake us on the weekend... so I'd have spent at least 12-14 hours on the floor, possibly dead, before anyone found me.

Obviously I didn't die . Doctor Google suggested either vasovagal syncope, or a heart attack, which wasn't terribly comforting!!
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Love it! The henchmen feeling the groove cracked me up.
t'is a very good video, gets the point across very well!


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OMG!!
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Old 08-30-2012, 05:17 PM
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Choking

CHOKING EPISODE

My Husband had a couple of drinks last night before dinner. While eating it, he began to cough, very weakly. I remember thinking, why doesn't he cough properly. This cough lasted a minute or so, then his body started shaking slowly, his head went to one side, his hand fell into his dinner+his eyeball started to roll back . I froze.
Luckily, he got his breath back within a few seconds. He said he'd shovelled too much food into his mouth+ it must have went down the trachea. He was unconscious for those few seconds. He said I looked like a shadow screaming at him, then he could see me but couldn't hear me. Then he returned to concsiousness. He gave me the fright of my life. This has left me very worried. Could he still have potatoe + gravy stuck in his lung or will the lung clear it I wonder.

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one was pushing on my stomach/diaphragm. WTF... why can't they just let me sleep. It kept up and I realized it was my daughter... she is usually the nice one and doesn't bother me when I nap (unlike my boys). I awake enough to push her hands aside and tell her to knock it off.

Then, I hear my wife (cell phone to ear) yelling are you ok!?! and my daughter standing over me looking stunned. I respond, I'm fine... what are you doing?

My wife is still very upset and my daughter is looking confused. My wife asks... don't you remember anything?

Slowly the fog starts to clear from my "nap."

I'll back up a bit. I've had a cough for several weeks due to a side effect of an older medication. I'm back on the good stuff now (doesn't cause the cough), but my doctor told me it would take a few weeks for the cough to stop.

Back to tonight... I was watching TV with my wife and daughter. Normal evening, nothing special. At some point I was talking, and I had to cough... but I had just exhaled. My diaphragm was having spasms trying to force the coughs out, but my lungs were trying desperately to get some air in. My wife said "are you ok?" and I shook my head "no."

Cue back to the beginning of this saga.

Daughter thought I was choking and since her 100 lbs wasn't going to move me (almost twice her weight) from my relaxed and reclining position she was doing her best at improvising the Heimlich and my wife was frantically trying to dial 911.

It only lasted maybe 10 seconds or so... the body is an amazing thing. I ran out of oxygen, my body shut down which allowed the diaphragm to relax and the brain kicked in and let me take a breath in and then put things back to normal. I actually felt a bit "rested" then I woke back up. Daughter went back to studying a minute later... wife was still breathing hard about an hour later.

All in all, nothing serious, but I guess I have to be nice to my daughter for a while (seriously, I'm very proud of how she promptly reacted)

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Old 08-31-2012, 03:31 PM
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Sounds like sleep apnia, get it checked out.
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Old 08-31-2012, 04:04 PM
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Sounds like sleep apnia, get it checked out.
Which one sounded like sleep apnea to you? The OP determined that his was the result of a medication-induced coughing jag at the worst possible time in the breathing cycle.
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Old 08-31-2012, 04:37 PM
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He's sleeping , he stops breathing.

15seconds, over anxious family.

He posts about it ?

What do you think ?

Either he's got a serious problem that medical science knows nothing about .

Or he's an attention seeking hypocondriac.
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Old 08-31-2012, 04:49 PM
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He's sleeping , he stops breathing.

15seconds, over anxious family.

He posts about it ?

What do you think ?

Either he's got a serious problem that medical science knows nothing about .

Or he's an attention seeking hypocondriac.
You really should read a little more closely for content. OP was not sleeping when this happened. That's what he remembered. He was mid-sentence when he had a coughing fit that caused him to pass out. I've had sleep apnea (according to witnesses) and my father has sleep apnea (when I was a kid I noticed him stopping breathing for 20-30 second stretches in his sleep.) The OP's description sounds nothing like sleep apnea to me. (Nor does the subject in the bump's post, in case that's what you were responding to.)
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Old 08-31-2012, 04:56 PM
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You really should read a little more closely for content.
and date. this was a thread from May awakened by a dinner choker, yesterday.
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Old 08-31-2012, 05:11 PM
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He's sleeping , he stops breathing.

15seconds, over anxious family.

He posts about it ?

What do you think ?

Either he's got a serious problem that medical science knows nothing about .

Or he's an attention seeking hypocondriac.
Wow... I just happened to see this came back to life. It has been several months and I'm still alive.

Yes, I do have sleep apnea and that had nothing to do with this (I have a CPAP... have for many years). I had seen the doctor the day before complaining about the persistent cough... (actually, routine appt, just something I brought up) which he let me know was a common side effect to the drug I was taking (guess medical science seemed to know about it after all)... and took me off of it but said it would take some time to get out of my system.

I wasn't sleeping at the time... I was trying to get a sentence finished during a coughing fit. See how the story starts out with "I was snoozing nicely"... but then it moved to "Let me back up a bit" (and tell you what really happened). In my mind I "woke up" to being given the Hymlich. Truth is I had passed out from lack of oxygen but my family thought I was choking (see the "cue back" part to what was going on in my mind). Haven't had an issue since, and the drug is out of my system, so no more coughing.

Fifteen seconds seems like a long time (and I really didn't have a watch on it) when someone is in mid sentence, but coughing madly and then slumps down unconscious.

Thanks for the wonderful diagnosis though... attention seeking hypocondriac is obviously the case, because it is just silly to think passing out from coughing is unusual... happens every day to you I'm sure.
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Old 08-31-2012, 05:35 PM
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It has been several months and I'm still alive.
Jut in case...

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Hey - thanks for bumping this thread, you just helped me figure out my hubbo's recent coughing. He started lisinopril in May after his heart attack and this cough just started out of nowhere a couple of weeks ago. He has a Dr's appointment on the 8th and I will bring it up then.
Dopers are so awesome! Thanks y'all!
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Old 08-31-2012, 08:51 PM
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Hey - thanks for bumping this thread, you just helped me figure out my hubbo's recent coughing. He started lisinopril in May after his heart attack and this cough just started out of nowhere a couple of weeks ago. He has a Dr's appointment on the 8th and I will bring it up then.
Dopers are so awesome! Thanks y'all!
Bingo - in fact the doctor should have TOLD him about that - a fairly significant percent of people have that reaction to ACE inhibitors.

I personally went through several months of hell because of it. My coughing was always at night, not during the day, and severely disturbed my sleep. Which was something I could *not* afford, as I have several other sleep issues at play.

Because of the nighttime-only, my primary care doc really thought it was stomach related. GERD can trigger coughing and in fact mine behaved EXACTLY like GERD-induced coughing on every level..... except for the fact that it started a week or so after the lisinopril.

I started keeping massively detailed records, trying to find patterns; I'd even stopped the lisinopril a couple of times. Sometimes it helped, sometimes it did not (now I know it can take a a couple of weeks to work its way out). Some annoying testing (gastric emptying - mmmmm, radioactive scrambled eggs) turned of nothing, so I got a referral to a gastro. Before I saw him, I finally put my foot down and refused the lisinopril any more, and was put on an ARB (related, but different class)..... and the coughing stopped.

So I'm still kind of bitter about the whole experience, I was right, the doc was wrong, neener neener neener.

Of course, it also accidentally saved my life. See, the gastro recommended doing an endoscopy anyway because I do have a history of GERD (just not bad enough to trigger that kind of coughing). I said "while I'm under... I'm 50 now, and....".

Turns out my new hobby is growing precancerous colon polyps, which otherwise might have gone a couple of years more and had a chance to get realllll cozy with my innards.
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