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Old 05-22-2012, 10:12 PM
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Could a cable channel like HBO show real sexual penetration, oral sex etc. in it's shows?

Just curious. Not clear of what the content limitations of cable TV are. Could you have real explicit penetrative sex depicted on "Game of Thrones" for example?
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Old 05-22-2012, 10:34 PM
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Yes they could, if they wanted to. There aren't any content restrictions on cable, aside from whatever standards a channel (and its advertisers, if any) choose for themselves.
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Old 05-22-2012, 10:35 PM
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HBO isn't cable, it's a premium channel. Cinemax shows penetration late at night do they not? They're a premium channel too, so if they can I'd assume HBO can.
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Old 05-22-2012, 10:38 PM
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What do you consider real? Some of that softcore stuff is very clearly real but with the camera angled in such a way so that you don't see the actual penetration. Cathouse shows plenty of real sex, but if the actual penetration is on camera it gets blurred out.

Has Brown Bunny or Shortbus ever made it onto TV?

(FYI, Brown Bunny is a terrible movie, Shortbus is a great movie but it is essentially gay porn with a (good) plot).

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Old 05-22-2012, 10:57 PM
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HBO isn't cable, it's a premium channel.
Of course it's cable. Do you think it gets into your house through the gas pipes? The fact that it's a premium channel is irrelevant, except inasmuch as premium channels do not have to answer to advertisers for their content.

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Old 05-22-2012, 11:11 PM
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Of course it's cable. Do you think it gets into your house through the gas pipes? The fact that it's a premium channel is irrelevant, except inasmuch as premium channels do not have to answer to advertisers for their content.
It gets to my house via satellite.
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Old 05-22-2012, 11:14 PM
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Yeah, but from your satellite dish it gets into your house via a cable.
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Old 05-22-2012, 11:22 PM
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Freido is correct. Any non broadcast channel may show any content it wishes. Doesn't matter if it is a premium channel or not. Their programming is determined by their own standards. FCC has no power as to their content.
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Old 05-22-2012, 11:25 PM
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I've seen actual penetration* on basic cable.












*Granted it was a documentary, and the camera was placed inside the vagina.
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Old 05-22-2012, 11:38 PM
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What do you consider real? Some of that softcore stuff is very clearly real but with the camera angled in such a way so that you don't see the actual penetration.
Can anyone verify this? I never believed softcore had actual penetration. I figure if the actors and actresses are going to do penetration they need to be paid extra for that. Plus the stigma that comes with having actual sex on camera.
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Old 05-22-2012, 11:41 PM
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*Granted it was a documentary, and the camera was placed inside the vagina.
It was hard getting both the cameraman and the director in there. Fortunately they left the tripod outside.
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Old 05-22-2012, 11:49 PM
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Can anyone verify this? I never believed softcore had actual penetration. I figure if the actors and actresses are going to do penetration they need to be paid extra for that. Plus the stigma that comes with having actual sex on camera.
Sometimes adult films are shot hardcore (ie with real penetrations & cumshots) then edited softcore versions are created for different distrubtors in different markets. It's not much a problem in the US, but in coutries like the UK or Canada where all videos must be classified by a government agency hardcore movies (ie films that clearly & graphicly show actual sex acts) may have restrictions placed on them that films softcore movies don't. For example in the UK a hardcore porno would have a rating of R18 and could only be sold in specially licenced sex shops and not sold by male order, but with some creative editing the same film could be rated 18 and sold (to adults) by any place that sells videos. I think some Canadian provinces have similar restrictions.
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Old 05-22-2012, 11:57 PM
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Can anyone verify this? I never believed softcore had actual penetration. I figure if the actors and actresses are going to do penetration they need to be paid extra for that. Plus the stigma that comes with having actual sex on camera.
Some of the actors in softcore, like Randy Spears, is also in hardcore. I don't think he'd have any problem with doing actual penetration. I'd also guess that some of the stuff that you see on HBO/Cinemax is just recut to make it hardcore. That is, the take the other angles, edit out some of the story, add in more sex and release it on DVD.

I remember hearing that Pirates had something like 40 different versions just depending on how graphic it was allowed to be based on the region is was being released to.

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Old 05-23-2012, 12:17 AM
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For example in the UK a hardcore porno would have a rating of R18 and could only be sold in specially licenced sex shops and not sold by male order, but with some creative editing the same film could be rated 18 and sold (to adults) by any place that sells videos. I think some Canadian provinces have similar restrictions.
Bold part is my doing.

My, alphaboi, that was just a completely awesome typo!!
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Old 05-23-2012, 03:14 AM
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Bold part is my doing.

My, alphaboi, that was just a completely awesome typo!!
Not as good as the distrubtors typo.
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Old 05-23-2012, 09:05 AM
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If aliens watched softcore porn that would be convinced that humans reproduce by writhing around on top of each other.

I've never seen penetration in softcore porn nor have I seen a money shot.

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Old 05-23-2012, 09:08 AM
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If aliens watched softcore porn that would be convinced that humans reproduce by writhing around on top of each other.

I've never seen penetration in softcore porn nor have I seen a money shot.
And you never will because then it wouldn't be soft core.
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Old 05-23-2012, 09:14 AM
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Back in the early 80s, when cable first appeared in Alaska, the one Anchorage cable channel showed hard-core porn after midnight. Nobody raised a fuss that I remember.
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Old 05-23-2012, 10:08 AM
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There are no laws or rules that govern cable content. What stops Cable stations from showing it is advertisers and what stops premium channels is fear of losing subscribers. Networks have been fighting tooth and nail to change this but as far as I know that is still how it works.
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Old 05-23-2012, 07:41 PM
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HBO once aired a documentary about the vintage porno movie Deep Throat that actually showed the "title scene", no blurs or anything.

Some of those Real Sex type shows they run sometimes show a little penetration but it's usually either really ugly people, bad angles where you can barely tell there's real penetration happening, or some combination thereof. And sometimes, it's blurred, like Cathouse.
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Old 05-23-2012, 07:44 PM
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*Granted it was a documentary, and the camera was placed inside the vagina.
I very much want to see this.
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Old 05-23-2012, 07:58 PM
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I very much want to see this.
I remember seeing this on, like, PBS sometime in the 80s.
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Old 05-23-2012, 08:08 PM
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If aliens watched softcore porn that would be convinced that humans reproduce by writhing around on top of each other.
And if they saw Japanese porn, they'd think our genitals were 4 pixels big and blurry.

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I very much want to see this.
Believe me, it's not erotic.

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Old 05-23-2012, 08:32 PM
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It was hard getting both the cameraman and the director in there. Fortunately they left the tripod outside.
And held their breath, I'm guessing.
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Old 05-23-2012, 10:08 PM
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I remember seeing this on, like, PBS sometime in the 80s.
Pretty sure we watched that in health class in high school. Also recall a engorging penis shown in a thermal video.
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Old 05-24-2012, 02:18 PM
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I remember seeing this on, like, PBS sometime in the 80s.
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Pretty sure we watched that in health class in high school. Also recall a engorging penis shown in a thermal video.
That would be "The Miracle of Life," a 1983 episode of the PBS program NOVA. It's not online in any of the usual places, but it's available on DVD. We watched it in high school too.

Anywho, I join the consensus on the OP -- content is regulated on over-the-air channels, only. Cable channels -- even non-premium -- can program anything they want. The reason they don't is that they feel they'd upset more advertisers or subscribers than they'd attract.

N.B. that although there's no regulation of this stuff now, if cable channels did start broadcasting materail of that nature, it could lead to the passage of new legislation. I think HBO's pretty happy with the freedom it has and doesn't feel the need to rock the boat.

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Old 05-25-2012, 04:53 PM
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Any cable channel can hardcore porn at any time of day. They don't do it because it's more trouble than it's worth.

Broadcast stations can show hardcore porn between 10:00pm and 6:00am. They don't do it because it's more trouble than it's worth (ie, they would likely have to defend it against the Supreme Court's "I know it when I see it" definition of obscenity).

Comcast, via pay per view, is the world's largest distributor of porn.
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Old 05-25-2012, 05:32 PM
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It was hard getting both the cameraman and the director in there. Fortunately they left the tripod outside.
Isn't there a porn actor by that name?
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Old 05-25-2012, 05:38 PM
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Just curious. Not clear of what the content limitations of cable TV are. Could you have real explicit penetrative sex depicted on "Game of Thrones" for example?
PlayboyTV is a cable channel (also available through satellite) and they definitely show explicit penetrative sex. Last time I saw it they did not show the money shot.
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Old 05-25-2012, 06:37 PM
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I'm pretty sure (but not positive) that HBO's porn show with Katie Morgan shows penetrative sex in the form of porn clips.

It might just be that they don't show erect penises, but the Katie Morgan show has definitely shown a dildo penetrating a vagina.
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Old 05-26-2012, 12:49 AM
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Broadcast stations can show hardcore porn between 10:00pm and 6:00am. They don't do it because it's more trouble than it's worth (ie, they would likely have to defend it against the Supreme Court's "I know it when I see it" definition of obscenity).
More specifically, they can air indecent or profane material between 10pm and 6am. They can never air obscene material. (cite)

I have a hard time believing they'd be able to convince the court that your typical hardcore porn flick isn't obscene in most jurisdictions. More than "more trouble than it's worth" and straight up "know they'd lose 99 out of 100 times".

I also don't think they'd be going about it even if it were completely in the clear. I mean Leno's on after 10 but they don't let him or his guests swear up a storm (not that swearing's Jay's thing but just an example) even though it's legal.

There's also issues like what's on at 10pm in one area is on at 9pm in another. That's bitten stations on the ass in the past, certain episodes of NYPD Blue getting ABC affiliates in the central time zone fined while eastern time zone affiliates were completely in the clear.
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Old 05-26-2012, 07:56 AM
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More specifically, they can air indecent or profane material between 10pm and 6am. They can never air obscene material. (cite)

I have a hard time believing they'd be able to convince the court that your typical hardcore porn flick isn't obscene in most jurisdictions. More than "more trouble than it's worth" and straight up "know they'd lose 99 out of 100 times".
The vast majority of hardcore porn is not obscene. That's why it exists. Obscene content is illegal. Period. Not just for broadcast. If hardcore porn were obscene, you wouldn't be able to get it anywhere.

Very little sexual material has been found obscene under the Miller test, even with the local standards of Miller. What material has been found obscene, and, thus, illegal, is mostly child porn.
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Old 05-26-2012, 05:56 PM
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This comes up once or twice a year here.

It's been done.

On HBO, the most famous example is the previously mentioned documentary, with clips, Inside Deep Throat. The full uncensored version.

Sundance has shown films like Shortbus. Starz/Encore has shown Pink Flamingos. IFC has also shown such films. I didn't have Showtime/etc. until recently so I can't say what they've shown.
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