SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread

[New Deal Democrat]

Originally Posted by Fuji

HEY SHITHEAD

12 posts ago, I corrected you about using that Wiki homicide link to make your stupid fucking points about "teh niggers".

Once again, as even your own link clearly states, national homicide rates DO NOT compare the actual murder rates between countries.

You are a bully, a coward, and a fool. You and your kind are also a disappointment. Initially I though The Straight Dope was a place to have civil, erudite discussions of controversial issues.

[New Deal Democrat]

Originally Posted by Great Antibob

You're blaming the victims here? Words cannot adequately describe exactly how fucked in the head one has to be to do that. That's one of the most heartless and cruel things I've ever read.

Indeed, fuck that shit.

When discussing the intractable nature of racial differences the truth often hurts, but the truth matters.

[Vinyl Turnip]

Originally Posted by New Deal Democrat

Many sources document a relationship between the racial composition of a country's population and the murder rate:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate

Let's take a look at your "source," shall we? Here are the top 10 countries by murder rate:

Honduras
El Salvador
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Venezuela
Belize
Guatemala
Jamaica
Bahamas
Colombia
South Africa

As [even] you can probably see, only one of them is in Africa. Five of the top 10 are in Central or South America. Let's check out the demographics for the worst of the worst, Honduras:

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Ninety percent of the Honduran population is Mestizo and white[51] (a mixture of Amerindian and European ancestry). About 7% of the Honduran population are members of one of the seven recognized indigenous groups.

About 2% of Honduras's population is black,[51] or Afro-Honduran, and mainly reside on the country's Caribbean coast. (link)

(bolding mine.) Golly, how can that possibly be? Either those are the hardest-working black murderers in the entire world, or the European descendants of Honduras are being very naughty indeed, despite their superior genes.

(And as always, you have a microphallus.)

[Morgenstern]

NDD, you really are a f'ing idiot. You argument has proceeded to a ridiculous rant now. Why not bring in some space aliens and a cool mothership and anal probing as a end all means of proving your point. I think you'd find more support if you did.

[Hentor the Barbarian]

Originally Posted by lance strongarm

The bottom line is that there's overlap in all these terms. Most professionals wouldn't call autism a mental illness though. They would call it a developmental disorder, which may also be subset of mental disorders.

Developmental disorders are basically things that you are born with or probably born with, or at least develops in early childhood, whereas mental illness can happen to a normal person at any time in life.

I am a professional. What you have written makes no sense. We do not make distinctions like this between mental illness or mental disorder. We do not exclude disorders from these categories due to their developmental nature.

Also, Autistic Disorder (299.00) is an Axis I Diagnosis, as are all the other Pervasive Developmental Disorders (Asperger's Disorder, Rett's Disorder, Childhood Disintegrative Disorder and of course PDD NOS).

Axis II Diagnoses are exclusively the personality disorders and mental retardation.

[Great Antibob]

Originally Posted by New Deal Democrat

When discussing the intractable nature of racial differences the truth often hurts, but the truth matters.

So, the truth that white South Africans committed unconscionable acts against MrDibble and his family is somehow validated by genetics?

There's an ass/brain connection here that most humans manage to avoid, Mr That's-not-a-wart-that's-my-penis.

[New Deal Democrat]

Originally Posted by Vinyl Turnip

Let's take a look at your "source," shall we? Here are the top 10 countries by murder rate:

Honduras
El Salvador
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Venezuela
Belize
Guatemala
Jamaica
Bahamas
Colombia
South Africa

As [even] you can probably see, only one of them is in Africa. Five of the top 10 are in Central or South America. Let's check out the demographics for the worst of the worst, Honduras:



(bolding mine.) Golly, how can that possibly be? Either those are the hardest-working black murderers in the entire world, or the European descendants of Honduras are being very naughty indeed, despite their superior genes.

(And as always, you have a microphallus.)

The 10,000 Year Explosion, which I reviewed here:

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...d.php?t=605733

presents a plausible argument that the longer a population has practiced agriculture and urban civilization the lower its crime rate is likely to be. That is why white European and Oriental countries nearly always have lower crime rates than third world countries. The only exceptions seem to be Russia and North Korea.

Race is not the only factor that influences a country's crime rate. It seems to be the most important.

[Great Antibob]

Originally Posted by New Deal Democrat

When discussing the intractable nature of racial differences the truth often hurts, but the truth matters.

I'm not going to allow you to hijack this thread and will direct you back to your own Pitting.

[Inner Stickler]

Originally Posted by New Deal Democrat

The durability of the race gap in both academic performance and crime gives impressive evidence for biological differences.

It means no such thing.

All that remains is the discovery of genes for intelligence and crime, and the corresponding discovery that these genes are unevenly distributed between the races.

So, basically everything.

Meanwhile, the burden of proof is in those who claim that the races are biologically equivalent.

So, how many times were you dropped as a baby?

[Hentor the Barbarian]

Originally Posted by New Deal Democrat

The durability of the race gap in both academic performance and crime gives impressive evidence for biological differences. All that remains is the discovery of genes for intelligence and crime, and the corresponding discovery that these genes are unevenly distributed between the races. Those discoveries will be more than evidence, they will be proof that ends the debate.

Meanwhile, the burden of proof is in those who claim that the races are biologically equivalent.

You yourself just cited a source that demonstrated that accounting for impoverished environmental factors explained the observed differences in academic achievement between African American and White youth.

Let me repeat that for emphasis: You yourself just cited a source that demonstrated that accounting for impoverished environmental factors explained the observed differences in academic achievement between African American and White youth.

And you have a tiny penis.

[Morgenstern]

Originally Posted by Inner Stickler

...So, how many times were you dropped as a baby?

I was thinking oxygen starvation at birth. But you might be right, it could be head trauma.

[lance strongarm]

Originally Posted by Hentor the Barbarian

I am a professional. What you have written makes no sense. We do not make distinctions like this between mental illness or mental disorder.

Seems to me you do. If the DSM is about mental disorders, and Axis 2 is included in it, but Axis 2 isn't mental illness but is still mental disorder, that's a distinction. The book itself makes mental illness (Axis 1) a subset of mental disorder.

We do not exclude disorders from these categories due to their developmental nature.

Also, Autistic Disorder (299.00) is an Axis I Diagnosis, as are all the other Pervasive Developmental Disorders (Asperger's Disorder, Rett's Disorder, Childhood Disintegrative Disorder and of course PDD NOS).

Axis II Diagnoses are exclusively the personality disorders and mental retardation.

I found this:

"the category of disorders under which Autism falls, Pervasive Developmental Disorders, are now coded in a different location in DSM-IV than in its predecessor, DSM-IIIR. It used to be the case that the Pervasive Developmental Disorders were coded on Axis II, the axis that was reserved for long-term, stable disorders with relatively poor prognosis for improvement. Pervasive Developmental Disorders are now coded on Axis I, the axis that is used to diagnose episodic and more transient clinical disorders. The possible implication of this move is the recognition that symptoms of these disorders can vary and possibly improve with intervention whereas the disorders which remain on Axis II, mental retardation and the personality disorders, are typically long-term and often unresponsive to treatment."

http://legacy.autism.com/autism/behavior/dsm.htm

That explains our confusion. It used to be in one place but now it's in another.

I don't think it's fair to call it a mental illness though. That implies that anyone can get it at any time in life. Autism is likely genetic and develops almost exclusively in early childhood. That's closer to mental retardation than mental illness (both of those terms are kind of vague and out of date anyway).

What this axis change reflects is that the distinctions aren't so clear, especially given the change above. Autism didn't change, just the understanding of possible treatments.

[Inner Stickler]

I'm not familiar enough with the symptoms of each so I'll defer to your expertise and I withdraw the question.

NDD, how many times were you asphyxiated as a baby?

[Fuji]

Originally Posted by New Deal Democrat

You are a bully, a coward, and a fool. You and your kind are also a disappointment. Initially I though The Straight Dope was a place to have civil, erudite discussions of controversial issues.

I am not a bully, coward, nor a fool, at least when compared to a worthless lump like you. If you had your way, you would bully "Negroes" into work camps or the gallows; you are a coward, because the idea of racial equality obviously terrifies you; and you are a fool, because you tenaciously cling to the hollow bankruptcy of your beliefs and refuse to consider all the ample evidence which would demolish them.

I also note that you refuse to address the substance of my criticism and instead prefer to discuss politeness and such. Yeah, I'm sure any neutral third party would think you won this "debate".

[Fuji]

Originally Posted by New Deal Democrat

The 10,000 Year Explosion, which I reviewed here:

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...d.php?t=605733

presents a plausible argument that the longer a population has practiced agriculture and urban civilization the lower its crime rate is likely to be. That is why white European and Oriental countries nearly always have lower crime rates than third world countries. The only exceptions seem to be Russia and North Korea.

Race is not the only factor that influences a country's crime rate. It seems to be the most important.

Why don't you actually answer VT's question, you shitsack? Are you a coward or a fool?

[Great Antibob]

Originally Posted by New Deal Democrat

presents a plausible argument

Plausible?

PLAUSIBLE?

That's the best you got?

You've been going on and on about genetic evidence and now you want people to accept "plausible" as a valid argument?

Quit wasting electrons, you small-sacked excuse for a human being.

[lance strongarm]

P.S. I believe the DSM uses the most precise term for autism that reflects the likelihood that it is physiological: "neurodevelopmental disorder."

[Hentor the Barbarian]

Originally Posted by lance strongarm

P.S. I believe the DSM uses the most precise term for autism that reflects the likelihood that it is physiological: "neurodevelopmental disorder."

We simply don't make the distinctions you're talking about. Austism is a mental disorder, and there is no distinction between mental disorder and mental illness. The fact that is has neurological and devevlopmental features describe some differences between autism and other disorders, but not in any meaningful way that will have it excluded from DSM 5.

[lance strongarm]

Originally Posted by Hentor the Barbarian

We simply don't make the distinctions you're talking about. Austism is a mental disorder,

I don't think many people, even professionals, would call it a mental "illness" though.

and there is no distinction between mental disorder and mental illness.

In the real world there is. You're stuck in your professional perspective. You may be right when you're at some professional conference, but using your professional terms in the real world is a different issue.

The fact that is has neurological and devevlopmental features describe some differences between autism and other disorders, but not in any meaningful way that will have it excluded from DSM 5.

I didn't say it shouldn't be in DSM-5.

[lance strongarm]

Originally Posted by Hentor the Barbarian

We simply don't make the distinctions you're talking about. Austism is a mental disorder, and there is no distinction between mental disorder and mental illness. The fact that is has neurological and devevlopmental features describe some differences between autism and other disorders, but not in any meaningful way that will have it excluded from DSM 5.

P.S. you will find this interesting:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...mental-illness

[Inner Stickler]

Autism mental illness gets 6 million hits on google. I'd say that's enough to say the real world doesn't see a problem with it.

[Inner Stickler]

Originally Posted by lance strongarm

P.S. you will find this interesting:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...mental-illness

If that author agrees with anyone, he agrees with Hentor.

[Bryan Ekers]

Originally Posted by brazil84

No need to take it back -- since you never met the condition.

Oh, I think I did. Possibly you're misremembering the condition.

I do think you owe NDD an apology for lying about what he said.

And you're cheerfully invited to continue doing so.



Anyway, let this be an object lesson for others - even if you get an apology offer from brazil84, and you accept it, he won't let it go.

[lance strongarm]

Originally Posted by Inner Stickler

If that author agrees with anyone, he agrees with Hentor.

Nope.

He may be saying that Hentor's definition should be accepted, but not that it is.

[Hentor the Barbarian]

Originally Posted by lance strongarm

I don't think many people, even professionals, would call it a mental "illness" though.

And yet, here I am.

You might also want to ask the National Alliance on Mental Illness, the biggest pro-sumer advocacy group for mental illness.

In the real world there is. You're stuck in your professional perspective. You may be right when you're at some professional conference, but using your professional terms in the real world is a different issue.

I can assure you that I spend most of my time in the real world.

P.S. you will find this interesting:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...mental-illness

I must admit that I do not read Psychology Today. However, the article seems to be making the same point I am. I would, like the author, primarily wonder about this whole discussion "[...] what is autism being distanced from?"

It seems to be important to you, and that's fine. I won't try to change your mind. You just have to understand that when you say "Autism is not a mental illness," you're saying something that to most other people doesn't make much sense.

[lance strongarm]

Originally Posted by Inner Stickler

Autism mental illness gets 6 million hits on google. I'd say that's enough to say the real world doesn't see a problem with it.

That's absurd.

"autism developmental disability" get 22 million hits. Does that mean anything either?

You only proved that there are 6 million sites that have all those words. Big deal.

[Inner Stickler]

Originally Posted by lance strongarm

Nope.

He may be saying that Hentor's definition should be accepted, but not that it is.

No, he's saying that it is the definition for people in the industry and that some people for whatever reason are attempting to reject it baselessly.

[Inner Stickler]

Originally Posted by lance strongarm

That's absurd.

"autism developmental disability" get 22 million hits. Does that mean anything either?

You only proved that there are 6 million sites that have all those words. Big deal.

Yeah, that 6 million places are talking about autism within the framework of mental illness. You said that the real world doesn't think of it like that. The internet is the real world and it does.

[lance strongarm]

Originally Posted by Hentor the Barbarian

And yet, here I am.

And you need to get out in the real world more.

You might also want to ask the National Alliance on Mental Illness, the biggest pro-sumer advocacy group for mental illness.I can assure you that I spend most of my time in the real world.

What does NAMI say about this?

"Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASDs) are complex developmental disorders of brain function."

http://www.nami.org/Template.cfm?Sec...ontentID=66225

Now, if you go ask NAMI, they may say "yeah, it's fair to call it a mental illness." But they don't go around doing it.

I must admit that I do not read Psychology Today. However, the article seems to be making the same point I am. I would, like the author, primarily wonder about this whole discussion "[...] what is autism being distanced from?"

The point he's making is that autism is not termed a mental illness, but that he thinks the reason is stigma, and that it's close enough to mental illness that we ought to reject stigma and embrace it. Which is a nice point about the stigmas.

It seems to be important to you, and that's fine. I won't try to change your mind. You just have to understand that when you say "Autism is not a mental illness," you're saying something that to most other people doesn't make much sense.

You need to understand that the language that people are out there using, especially in the autism community, doesn't reflect what you professionals are using in your back rooms and papers, even if you are the ones who get to make the official terms. That's all I'm saying. If you go out a speak to an autism group or something and call it a mental illness, you'll get lots of quizzical looks and a few angry retorts. You can have this debate with them to if you want, but it will take a while to reach everyone.

[lance strongarm]

Originally Posted by Inner Stickler

Yeah, that 6 million places are talking about autism within the framework of mental illness.

False.

It means that 6 million sites have "autism," "mental," and "illness" on them. Nothing more.

A site that says "autism is most definitely NOT a mental illness" would come up as one of your hits!

Don't try this, it's silly.

[lance strongarm]

Originally Posted by Inner Stickler

No, he's saying that it is the definition for people in the industry and that some people for whatever reason are attempting to reject it baselessly.

What has happened is that they have already rejected it. He believes they want it to be official due to stigma. Whatever.

[Evil Economist]

Originally Posted by Hentor the Barbarian

I am a professional. What you have written makes no sense. We do not make distinctions like this between mental illness or mental disorder. We do not exclude disorders from these categories due to their developmental nature.

Also, Autistic Disorder (299.00) is an Axis I Diagnosis, as are all the other Pervasive Developmental Disorders (Asperger's Disorder, Rett's Disorder, Childhood Disintegrative Disorder and of course PDD NOS).

Axis II Diagnoses are exclusively the personality disorders and mental retardation.

Out of curiosity, do you think Brazil84 exhibits symptoms of autistic disorder or Asperger's disorder, or is that the kind of thing you can't tell from message board posts?

[Hentor the Barbarian]

Originally Posted by lance strongarm

Now, if you go ask NAMI, they may say "yeah, it's fair to call it a mental illness." But they don't go around doing it.

Excuse me, please, but it is right there on the NAMI website under the heading "Mental Illnesses": http://www.nami.org/Template.cfm?Sec...ontentID=66225

Also, here's something posted on the Autism Speaks website:

http://www.autismspeaks.org/blog/201...sm-news-042512

As director of the Seaver Autism Center at Mount Sinai, Dr. Joseph Buxbaum specializes in the neurobiology of psychiatric illnesses like autism. April is National Autism Awareness Month.

I'm sorry that you feel it is stigmatizing. People want to change the name "Mental Retardation" as well, due to stigma. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

[Hentor the Barbarian]

Just so we don't lose site of the real issue at hand, I wanted to leave all the other stuff behind and get back to this:

Originally Posted by Hentor the Barbarian

You yourself just cited a source that demonstrated that accounting for impoverished environmental factors explained the observed differences in academic achievement between African American and White youth.

Let me repeat that for emphasis: You yourself just cited a source that demonstrated that accounting for impoverished environmental factors explained the observed differences in academic achievement between African American and White youth.

And you have a tiny penis.

Please note the following: New Deal Democrat linked to a source that demonstrated that accounting for impoverished environmental factors explained the observed differences in academic achievement between African American and White youth.

[Truman Burbank]

Originally Posted by New Deal Democrat

poverty does not explain the disparity between Blacks and Whites in secondary school performance. Take poverty out of the picture entirely by examining equally affluent Blacks and Whites living in the same communities and the disparity in academic performance remains.

In social science terms, the disparity is statistically robust. It is not an artifact of one or another way of analyzing the data. It leaps out of the data no matter how one approaches the analysis, and it seems about equally severe in every region of the nation, in every demographic mix, in urban, suburban, and rural schools, and in impoverished, median-income, and affluent communities alike.
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/read...px?ARTID=17985

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IQ Scores of Blacks and Whites Regress toward the Averages of Their Race. Parents pass on only some exceptional genes to offspring so parents with very high IQs tend to have more average children. Black and White children with parents of IQ 115 move to different averages--Blacks toward 85 and Whites to 100.
http://www.news-medical.net/news/200...3-eafd0730133a

YOU DISHONEST ASSHOLE:
From the same summary you (SELECTIVELY) quoted from:
"... (the researcher [Ogbu]) rightly observes that his study of "community forces" in generating the gap in student performance does not, logically or empirically, negate the possibility of "societal forces" also affecting Black student performance.

[Truman Burbank]

When your OWN CITE disputes the point you are trying to defend, well, you can't lose a debate any worse than that.
Game over.

[Evil Economist]

Originally Posted by Truman Burbank

When your OWN CITE disputes the point you are trying to defend, well, you can't lose a debate any worse than that.

Wrong! He's just getting started!

[Evil Economist]

Originally Posted by Hentor the Barbarian

Just so we don't lose site of the real issue at hand, I wanted to leave all the other stuff behind and get back to this:Please note the following: New Deal Democrat linked to a source that demonstrated that accounting for impoverished environmental factors explained the observed differences in academic achievement between African American and White youth.

Yeah, but he hasn't been using foul language, so he's still winning! Science!

[Doughbag]

Originally Posted by New Deal Democrat

The durability of the race gap in both academic performance and crime gives impressive evidence for biological differences. All that remains is the discovery of genes for intelligence and crime, and the corresponding discovery that these genes are unevenly distributed between the races. Those discoveries will be more than evidence, they will be proof that ends the debate.

Meanwhile, the burden of proof is in those who claim that the races are biologically equivalent.

NO, the burden is on YOU to proof, that there is a difference.

After all, it is YOU who says that there is a difference – So proof it! You can‘t?
Well to bad, until YOU can proof it, YOU are WRONG.

Which makes you a liar!

[Heart of Dorkness]

You know, NDD, I don't normally do this kind of thing, but I think this bears repeating, in giant red letters:

Originally Posted by Hentor the Barbarian

Let me repeat that for emphasis: You yourself just cited a source that demonstrated that accounting for impoverished environmental factors explained the observed differences in academic achievement between African American and White youth.

And you have a tiny penis.

Here's the problem. You read something quickly and cursorily, and thought you understood it, but unfortunately, it turned out to mean the exact opposite of what you thought. Don't worry; it happens to a lot of people. The section that you quote below is the introduction to the study you cite.

Originally Posted by New Deal Democrat

What are the causes of this persistent gap in achievement? In study after study, scholars have investigated the effects of differences among white and black students in their socioeconomic status, family structure, and neighborhood characteristics and in the quality of their schools. To be sure, socioeconomic status and the trappings of poverty are important factors in explaining racial differences in educational achievement. Yet a substantial gap remains even after these crucial influences are accounted for.
http://educationnext.org/fallingbehind/

I can see why you found this statement appealing, but you really shouldn't have stopped reading there. Here are the very next two paragraphs [bolding mine]:

Gaining a better understanding of what causes the test-score gap is of great importance because eliminating the gap could yield great advances in the well-being of African-Americans. In separate studies, Derek Neal and William Johnson in 1996 and June O’Neill in 1990 found that most of the wage gap between black and white adults disappears once the data are adjusted to reflect their scores on the Armed Forces Qualifying Test; in other words, those adults with similar scores earned similar wages. Thus closing the test-score gaps that emerge in high school may be a critical prerequisite to reducing wage inequality between the races. As scholars Christopher Jencks and Meredith Phillips write, “Reducing the black-white test score gap would do more to promote racial equality than any other strategy that commands broad political support.”

To take a fresh look at the gap and its sources, we examined a new data set, the Early Childhood Longitudinal Study Kindergarten Cohort, compiled by the U.S. Department of Education. The results are quite surprising: after adjusting the data for the effects of only a few observable characteristics, the black-white test-score gap in math and reading for students entering kindergarten essentially disappeared. Put simply, white and black children with similar personal and family background characteristics achieved similar test scores (see Figure 1).

You see, they're providing context - results of past studies - in contrast to their findings. Just to make it completely clear: they're saying, "In the past, studies haven't been able to account for the entire gap... BUT OURS DOES!"

The results detailing how this happens and the conclusions the researchers draw have already been highlighted by Hentor and GIGOBuster. But allow me to draw your attention to one more crucial point: Why are these results different from those in the past? Why was this study able to eliminate the gap while others could not completely? Let's hear what the researchers have to say [again, bolding mine]:

Why do our results differ so sharply from those of previous research? There are three leading explanations: 1) the sample of children included in the data set used by Phillips, the Children of the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth (CNLSY), especially in the early years, may be nonrepresentative; 2) better information on students’ background characteristics is available in the Early Childhood survey; and 3) blacks born into recent cohorts have made real gains relative to blacks born a decade earlier.

Although plausible, the first two explanations appear to play only a small role empirically. However, real gains by blacks in recent cohorts do appear to be an important part of the divergence between our results and past research. By limiting the CNLSY data to cohorts born in the same years as the children in our data set, we found raw test-score gaps only half as large as those found in the earlier cohorts of data used by Phillips and remarkably close to those found in our data set.

In other words: black kids now are doing better than black kids born just 10 years earlier. So much better that taking a few social factors into account now fully eliminates the gap. That means that either a) efforts to create equality of opportunity and erase prejudice are indeed having a very positive effect on new generations of black children, or b) all black kids everywhere suddenly and simultaneously developed the mutant intelligence gene, within a ten-year span.

While I have to admit b) would be totally awesome in a comic-book superhero kind of way, logic resolutely directs me back to a).

[Doughbag]

Originally Posted by Heart of Dorkness

While I have to admit b) would be totally awesome in a comic-book superhero kind of way, logic resolutely directs me back to a).

Then there is option c): NDD simply just does not like black people and personally hates them regardless.

[Gyrate]

Can we please stop talking about NDD's penis? It's bad enough that he's intellectually impotent.

[Chefguy]

Originally Posted by lance strongarm

So did NDD STFU yet?

Nah. He and his tag-team douche-bag partner are still at it. A couple of prime-cut assholes. They remind me of my brother-in-law, except he doesn't try to hide behind pseudo science and gigantic leaps of logic in his brand of virulent racism. I almost prefer it to these two yobbos. At least with him, you tell him to shut the fuck up and he does so. These two ass-clowns will gas on for another hundred pages if we continue to entertain them.

[Chefguy]

Originally Posted by New Deal Democrat

Hatred is a strong emotion for someone you disagree with, but who has never harmed you. It implies that you suspect that what I say is true, and you hate being reminded of it. People do not get angry when opinions they are confident are true are challenged.

No, it just implies that you are the colossal douche bag I tagged you to be in the other thread. Douche bag. See? I'm not angry. Douche bag, douche bag, douche bag. Say it with me; it's fun!

And you wouldn't know the truth if it ran up your ass with a cactus.

[Vinyl Turnip]

Originally Posted by New Deal Democrat

When discussing the intractable nature of racial differences the truth often hurts, but the truth matters.

Bet it hurt the first time a woman laughed at your tiny penis.

[silenus]

He wouldn't know. Pigs can't laugh.

[Bryan Ekers]

By the way, I'm reclaiming brazil84's apology, crumpling it up into a ball, hanging it from an elastic string and letting my cat bat it around.

[brazil84]

Originally Posted by Bryan Ekers

Oh, I think I did. Possibly you're misremembering the condition.

Nope.

Let me ask you this:

Did NDD state in this thread that he had actually been suppressed? (As opposed to stating that people wanted to suppress him)

If so, where?

If not, then why is it you pretended that he had made such a statement?

ETA: And what do you think I was referring to when I said, in effect "if I am missing something"?

[Bryan Ekers]

Oh, I was suppose to deduce what you meant "in effect" ? I was under the impression you were a stickler for literal interpretation, given your repeated demands across this thread.

You did miss "something", and since you missing "something" was the condition for the extension of your in-advance apology, I accepted your apology. Then I offered to let you take it back. Then I changed my mind and decided to accept it again.

If your apology was not sincerely offered, that's fine. It's cat-fodder now anyway.

[brazil84]

Originally Posted by Heart of Dorkness

In other words: black kids now are doing better than black kids born just 10 years earlier. So much better that taking a few social factors into account now fully eliminates the gap.

Actually the linked article doesn't quite say that. It says that if you control for various factors picked by the study authors, then test scores are almost the same in kindergarten, but diverge as the children age. The cited article extrapolates that the difference will be quite substantial by age 14.

That means that either a) efforts to create equality of opportunity and erase prejudice are indeed having a very positive effect on new generations of black children, or b) all black kids everywhere suddenly and simultaneously developed the mutant intelligence gene, within a ten-year span.

Or it could mean that the intelligence gap between blacks and whites is less obvious at young ages.