Very Annoying Racial Myths. Discuss it.

[Gezmo]

Originally Posted by Ambivalid

You aren't going to find any white girls with an ass like this.

I have, but I don't feel like back tracing to where I found those images, and don't forget about Kim K, she's just one of them.

Also, Nicki Minaj's ass wasn't looking that big in a bikini photo of her, so she probably was wearing something under her pants. Just google: Nicki Minaj Bikini

Also most black young black women I see in person do not look like that, and do not have that type of booty. I remember seeing a lot of under-developed ones when I was in Highschool. I do remeber seeing a few Filipinas, and Mexican women with big butts though.

Look at the ones you see everyday, not the ones in Magazines and Videos.

[Gezmo]

Another thing to mention is that body shapes across different races is that they mostly reflect the person's living conditions, and diet. They also reflect the diet and living conditions of their mother, before they left the womb.

The heavily rice based diet in East Asia causes people to be less developed (post puberty features) than those who consume more meats and other foods.
Like wise, starvation causes stunted growth, and under developed people in other places of the world like parts of India, and Africa.

[Ambivalid]

Originally Posted by Gezmo

I have, but I don't feel like back tracing to where I found those images, and don't forget about Kim K, she's just one of them.

Also, Nicki Minaj's ass wasn't looking that big in a bikini photo of her, so she probably was wearing something under her pants. Just google: Nicki Minaj Bikini

Also most black young black women I see in person do not look like that, and do not have that type of booty. I remember seeing a lot of under-developed ones when I was in Highschool. I do remeber seeing a few Filipinas, and Mexican women with big butts though.

Look at the ones you see everyday, not the ones in Magazines and Videos.

Well of course I do. I just don't go around snapping random pictures of them.

[Gezmo]

The only race of people that I know that have true steatopygia (a big sexy booty that stick out) on a consistent basis are the Khoisan women of Africa. Not African American women, and most African Americans have ancestry from the Ivory Coast of West Africa, not southern Africa ( where the Khoisan live). You also have to know that most African Americans have some level of Caucasian genes mixed in them

[Gezmo]

Hmmm, it seems that "black" people have the most myths made about them.

This next one involves AUSTRALIAN ABORIGINES. Some people believe that Australian Aborigines are black people, straight out of Africa. While it is true that everyone originates from Africa, Aborigines are not anymore African than Europeans are, they are both thousands of years away from Africa in their migration.

Australian Aborigines are not directly related to black Africans. Before humans entered Australia, they first had to cross Egypt or the Red Sea, Saudi Arabia, India, and South East Asia. Aborigines are not East Asian niether, nor are they the Indians that we see today. They are their own distinct group with their own distinct looks, culture and language.

Look at the shape of their faces, and hair color then compare them to West Africans.

[The Great Sun Jester]

Originally Posted by ColdPhoenix

http://www.everyoneweb.com/worldpenissize/

South America is totally sporting a monster green chubby.

[orcenio]

Originally Posted by the apples fell

Another one is that only Europeans and European-descendants can be white. Many North Africans, Levantines, Turks, etc. can also be white.

Almost anybody can be recognized as "white". White (like any racial grouping) has no universally recognized boundaries. Carleton S. Coon felt that White/Caucasian encompassed Europe, Central Asia, South Asia, the Near East, North Africa and the Horn of Africa. The truth is that "White" changes from area-to-area and over time; this is the same for any conceived racial grouping.

Originally Posted by Gezmo

Also, Nicki Minaj's ass wasn't looking that big in a bikini photo of her, so she probably was wearing something under her pants. Just google: Nicki Minaj Bikini

Also judging by her last name (and a little wikipedia) her ancestry probably includes South Asia.

[BigT]

Originally Posted by Gezmo

I have, but I don't feel like back tracing to where I found those images, and don't forget about Kim K, she's just one of them.

Also, Nicki Minaj's ass wasn't looking that big in a bikini photo of her, so she probably was wearing something under her pants. Just google: Nicki Minaj Bikini

Also most black young black women I see in person do not look like that, and do not have that type of booty. I remember seeing a lot of under-developed ones when I was in Highschool. I do remeber seeing a few Filipinas, and Mexican women with big butts though.

Look at the ones you see everyday, not the ones in Magazines and Videos.

Right. The issue could just be that stereotype is self-reinforced in popular media. The social ideal is that a Black woman has a big butt, so those who have such are the ones that become famous in an industry where looks are a big deal.

[Dingbang]

Originally Posted by Gezmo

What are some racial stereotypes and myths that bother you?


Well here are some of mine. For one I hate it when people associate a country with a race. Like when people say MEXICANS. Mexico is a diverse country, and it even gets immigrants from Asia, and the Middle East. There are mixed Mestizos, as well as pure Europeans, and pure Native Central Americans, even black people. I once had an argument with somebody that actually thought Mexican was a race.

Another racial thing that ignorant people believe is that Hispanic is a race. By definition, being Hispanic means you originate from a Spanish speaking country that was once a Spanish colony. Therefore Cubans, and Dominicans are also Hispanic, despite being different in races, and cultures.

What's more annoying is how people refer to Africa as if it were one huge country. Many people including black people don't understand how diverse Africa is.

See, this is why people get so tired of complaints of about stereotypes, racism, etc. You're offended when people say "Mexicans." What the hell are we supposed to call people from Mexico? "The People From That Diverse Country Mexico, Which Gets Immigrants from Asia and the Middle East?" Get over yourself.

[the apples fell]

Another one is people assuming all Africans are black. You have white European descendants in South Africa, Arabs and Berbers in North Africa, mixed-race people in Cape Verde, etc.

[Gezmo]

Another one involves Asians, and driving skills.

The stereotype that Asians are bad drivers is not completely false. What people don't understand is that in countries of East Asia, there are less drivers, and much of the immigrants that come here to America don't have any driving experience. They might try to learn how to drive at a late age. Then, their kids will have to be taught by their not-so-skilled at driving parents. So, they are not genetically prone to be bad drivers.

This is also true for immigrants from other places where people don't drive much.

[the apples fell]

Also when people think Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans are the only Asians out there and everyone who looks East Asian must be one of the three.

[Gezmo]

Originally Posted by the apples fell

Also when people think Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans are the only Asians out there and everyone who looks East Asian must be one of the three.

Yes, they forget about Thai, Vietnamese, Cambodian, Filipinos, Tibetans, and Mongolians. They also don't realize that South East Asians are differnent from the Northern Asian. They also don't know any thing about Malaysians and Indonesians.

SE Asians are usually darker with larger, less squinty eyes.

[Marley23]

Originally Posted by Dingbang

You're offended when people say "Mexicans."

No, he isn't. He said people are wrong when they assume people from Mexico have the same background and all look alike. He's right about that, and it's also true that some Hispanic people get offended when people call them Mexicans as if there were no other countries in South and Central America.

[Gezmo]

Originally Posted by the apples fell

Another one is people assuming all Africans are black. You have white European descendants in South Africa, Arabs and Berbers in North Africa, mixed-race people in Cape Verde, etc.

Yeah, thats why when someone says "he looks hella African" it makes them look like a moron.

[Dingbang]

Originally Posted by Gezmo

What are some racial stereotypes and myths that bother you?
Well here are some of mine. For one I hate it when people associate a country with a race. Like when people say MEXICANS. .

Ummm, the OP says he's bothered when people say MEXICANS.

[Marley23]

Originally Posted by Dingbang

Ummm, the OP says he's bothered when people say MEXICANS.

Gemzo is the OP, and no, that's not even close to what he said. You can repeat this over and over and it'll still be complete misreading of the post.

[Blackberry]

Originally Posted by Gezmo

Yeah, thats why when someone says "he looks hella African" it makes them look like a moron.

Saying someone looks African doesn't mean they look like everyone in Africa (obviously, since that would be impossible). How else would you describe it in normal conversation if a person does look African but you don't know specifically what part of Africa they look like they're from?

[Gezmo]

Originally Posted by Blackberry

Saying someone looks African doesn't mean they look like everyone in Africa (obviously, since that would be impossible). How else would you describe it in normal conversation if a person does look African but you don't know specifically what part of Africa they look like they're from?

If you don't know, then don't say they're African.

[Grestarian]

Originally Posted by Anaamika

The other one that bothers me constantly is the anti-Chinese/Japanese sentiments, like the stupid "eating cats" jokes

...or southeast Asians eating dogs...

The fact of the matter is that many cultures eat things that other cultures wouldn't dream of touching -- snakes, pork, rabbit, hamster (or was that Guinea Pig?), cow, various insects and worms....

Throw on top of that a long list of fermented or bacterialized "delicacies" and it makes the world quite interesting, to say the least.

The reality is that people will learn to make do with what is available and the modern variants may be considerably different from their early or original usage. Making fun of someone else's food simply demonstrates a lack of worldly knowledge and an unwillingness to learn.

Originally Posted by Anaamika

or the language jokes. Especially when directed towards an American that happens to be of Chinese descent.

Well, language is one of the easy targets for demarking one group from another; separating in-group from outsider, as it were.

The simple fact of the matter is that the Chinese language does not include the |r| sound in its native word forms and, conversely, the Japanese language doesn't include the |l| sound in its syllabary.* But since English includes both, native Chinese (or Japanese) speakers often have to struggle and retrain their tongues to be able to pronounce the sound they didn't encounter in their own language. The struggle becomes so habitual and unconscious that a habit called overcompensation occurs, where the person will reverse the intended sound in all (or most) encounters, fripping the rettels around even when he/she knows he/she doesn't need to do that.

The discrimination comes in not when this habit is ridiculed but when this habit is ridiculed while ignoring similar overcompensations like the |w| and |v| interchanges amongst Teutonic descendants (Germans, Dutch, etc.) or the lack of |b| and |v| distinction amongst many speakers of Spanish derivatives. And ridicule, for that matter, doesn't belittle the victim so much as it reflects poorly on the perpetrator; it's a lack of sympathy for those who grew up with different tongue-training and are trying to improve their ability in the local language.

--G!

No one was ever certain
What it is that he was saying
But they loved it when he told them
They were better than the rest
. --Don Henley
. Little Tin God
. Building the Perfect Beast



*Both, are considered glides, sounds produced by curling the tip of the tongue upward and letting the air/sound glide around the sides of the tongue. Touch the tip of the tongue to your lips and exhale with voicing, and you have an |l| sound. Keep doing that as you curl your tongue more and more, sliding the tip across your teeth, across the ridge behind it, and then pointing it into the cave under your hard palate. You'll notice your |l| sound becomes more familiar, then shifts into an |r| sound.

[Blackberry]

Originally Posted by Gezmo

If you don't know, then don't say they're African.

Your original statement and my reply were both about saying someone looked African. But anyway, to either scenario, why not?

[Grestarian]

Originally Posted by Ambivalid

Ok, you are totally wrong here. Black women (African-American) have asses unlike any other race/ethnicity of women anywhere. They are quite something to behold. Personally, I don't even how some of the more extreme ones are even possible-but they are.

Actually, when my colleague was working on the Encyclopedia of Ethics, she shared a glossary term with us (which I can't recall at the moment). It was something about a fetish for particularly large and round rear-ends. The corollary was that the fetish fostered the continuation of the genetic trait (much in the way Chinese and Japanese feet tend to be petite) amongst certain ethnic groups.

---G

Oh!
Oh!
They do respect her butt!
They love to watch her strut!
. --Bob Seger
. Her Strut
. Against the Wind

[Dingbang]

Originally Posted by Marley23

Gemzo is the OP, and no, that's not even close to what he said. You can repeat this over and over and it'll still be complete misreading of the post.

[OP]Well here are some of mine. For one I hate it when people associate a country with a race. Like when people say MEXICANS.[OP]

I think that's exactly what he said.

[Marley23]

Originally Posted by Dingbang

I think that's exactly what he said.

I'm not sure why you stopped reading after that sentence, because he explained exactly what he meant and rendered your complaints unnecessary.

Originally Posted by Gezmo

For one I hate it when people associate a country with a race. Like when people say MEXICANS. Mexico is a diverse country, and it even gets immigrants from Asia, and the Middle East. There are mixed Mestizos, as well as pure Europeans, and pure Native Central Americans, even black people. I once had an argument with somebody that actually thought Mexican was a race.

My emphasis.

[the apples fell]

It also annoys me when people think Southern Europeans are mixed race, simply for the fact that modern genetic studies show this to not be the case.

[Marley23]

Originally Posted by the apples fell

It also annoys me when people think Southern Europeans are mixed race, simply for the fact that modern genetic studies show this to not be the case.

What does that even mean? Southern Europeans aren't a mixture of different population groups, they're entirely... Southern European, whatever that is supposed to mean on a genetic basis?

[the apples fell]

Originally Posted by Marley23

What does that even mean? Southern Europeans aren't a mixture of different population groups, they're entirely... Southern European, whatever that is supposed to mean on a genetic basis?

People who say "Portuguese people are part black", "Sicilians are part black" etc as if these Southern Europeans are significantly of non-European ancestry.

[Gezmo]

Actually some southern Europeans are mixed with the moors ( who were also Caucasian). There was a time in which the moors occupied parts of southern Europe, and they even built a mosque over one of the Cathedrals in in Spain, but I forgot the name of the Cathedral.

So, they are still not part black, but some do have North African admixture.

[TokyoBayer]

Since I live here, then I run into this a lot. Not surprisingly, I also run into this a lot of here on the Dope. The one which irritates me the most is the supposed suicides for honor in Japan. I know Shogun was an entertaining book, but it was a novel, for chrissakes.

People can never get the Chinese and Japanese straight.

Originally Posted by Grestarian

The simple fact of the matter is that the Chinese language does not include the |r| sound in its native word forms and, conversely, the Japanese language doesn't include the |l| sound in its syllabary.*

The simple fact of the matter is that you are factually incorrect. The Chinese has both the "r" and "l" sounds.

I'm not normally snarky, and usually gently correct people; but good god, I really cannot fathom why one would presume to wade into a thread on misconceptions in order to repeat something one was told in junior high school without give it a second thought. This is the age of google. It takes less time the confirm a zillion Chinese words with an "r" sound than it did to write your post.

The "simple fact of the matter" is that the Japanese "r" sounds are in between the English "r," "l" and "d" sounds, depending on the following vowel. There are no "l" sounds and the "d" sounds are harder than in English. The later doesn't generally bother people, but most Japanese adults are unable to hear the difference between the English "r" and "l" without extensive practice. Fair enough, I can't pick up Chinese tones, either.

And no one get me started on samurai.

::mutter, mutter, mutter. Stomps of in a huff::

[HazelNutCoffee]

Originally Posted by Gezmo

What people don't understand is that in countries of East Asia, there are less drivers, and much of the immigrants that come here to America don't have any driving experience.

You are kidding me, right?

Have you ever BEEN to a major city in China or Korea? Everyone drives like maniacs. It has nothing to do with "less drivers."

[Ambivalid]

Why are we all to assume the OP is any sort of expert on all things racial?
He/she has yet to provide a cite for any of the claims he/she has made. So far it's just been opinion. Yawn.

[cckerberos]

The tentacle porn jokes made here whenever Japan gets brought up get old very quickly.

Guess what? That stuff isn't considered normal in Japan, either.

[TokyoBayer]

Originally Posted by HazelNutCoffee

You are kidding me, right?

Have you ever BEEN to a major city in China or Korea? Everyone drives like maniacs. It has nothing to do with "less drivers."

Another typical example of people who claim to be experts on something they know nothing about.

[Marley23]

Originally Posted by Ambivalid

Why are we all to assume the OP is any sort of expert on all things racial?

Who's making that assumption? The OP has definitely gotten some things wrong. I guess he gets a little credit for knowing that some of these stereotypes are dumb.

[Gezmo]

Originally Posted by HazelNutCoffee

You are kidding me, right?

Have you ever BEEN to a major city in China or Korea? Everyone drives like maniacs. It has nothing to do with "less drivers."

I mean that they have a lower PERCENTAGE of drivers. The streets are going to be packed with cars because of the higher population density. But there is also a significantly lower percentage of driver's compared to the USA. There are other means of transportation than just driving.

Check it out on GapMinder.org
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or
www.bit.ly/Lh2ANM

I hope you don't really think that East Asians as a race are genetically bad drivers.
Even though I'm not Asian, the stereotype is a stupid one.

[Frosted Glass]

It used to piss me off when people said I was the whitest sounding black person they knew until I asked one of these people how many black people they knew that werent me. Everyone I've asked since has also said "zero" so now I just laugh it off.

Also, don't ask any girl of any ethnicity about her weave. Nothing good comes of that.

[Dingbang]

Originally Posted by Marley23

I'm not sure why you stopped reading after that sentence, because he explained exactly what he meant and rendered your complaints unnecessary.


My emphasis.

I don't stand corrected. I read the whole thing. He said, paraphrasing here, that we shouldn't call people MEXICANS because Mexico actually is home to a diverse people from different places and cultures. I don't see why that should stop us from calling them MEXICANS when they are, in fact, from Mexico.
Americans also are from a wide variety of cultural, ethnic, and geographic backgrounds, but most don't complain when we call them Americans.
So he had an argument once with some ignoramus who thought Mexican was a race. Still doesn't mean we shouldn't call people from Mexico Mexicans.

[Marley23]

Originally Posted by Dingbang

I read the whole thing.

Then you didn't understand it.

He said, paraphrasing here, that we shouldn't call people MEXICANS because Mexico actually is home to a diverse people from different places and cultures.

No, he said you shouldn't assume Mexican people are all the same race because Mexico is home to diverse people and blah blah blah.

[HazelNutCoffee]

Originally Posted by Gezmo

I mean that they have a lower PERCENTAGE of drivers. The streets are going to be packed with cars because of the higher population density. But there is also a significantly lower percentage of driver's compared to the USA. There are other means of transportation than just driving.

I hope you don't really think that East Asians as a race are genetically bad drivers.
Even though I'm not Asian, the stereotype is a stupid one.

Of course I don't think it's genetic. But the fact that Asians drive like crazy people has nothing to do with how many of them drive and how often they drive. It's cultural.

[Gezmo]

Originally Posted by Dingbang

I don't stand corrected. I read the whole thing. He said, paraphrasing here, that we shouldn't call people MEXICANS because Mexico actually is home to a diverse people from different places and cultures. I don't see why that should stop us from calling them MEXICANS when they are, in fact, from Mexico.
Americans also are from a wide variety of cultural, ethnic, and geographic backgrounds, but most don't complain when we call them Americans.
So he had an argument once with some ignoramus who thought Mexican was a race. Still doesn't mean we shouldn't call people from Mexico Mexicans.

That not exactly what I said. I said it annoying to hear someon refer to Mexicans as a race. It's alright to refer to them as a Nationality, as in where the person is from, or where there parent's are from.
Another thing you can't do is talk about racial differences, or mention physical features about Mexican people since Mexican is a Nationality, and not a race.

Furthermore, you might not know if a person is Mexican, they could be El Salvadoran, or Honduran. It is better to just refer to them as Central Americans. So you can call someone Mexican when you know where they, or their family is from their.

[Blackberry]

Originally Posted by Gezmo

Furthermore, you might not know if a person is Mexican, they could be El Salvadoran, or Honduran. It is better to just refer to them as Central Americans. So you can call someone Mexican when you know where they, or their family is from their.

What if they're South American? Or even if they are Central American, why is that okay to say but it's not okay to say someone is African if you don't know which African country they're from?

These rules of yours are very hard to learn.

[Gezmo]

Originally Posted by Frosted Glass

It used to piss me off when people said I was the whitest sounding black person they knew until I asked one of these people how many black people they knew that werent me. Everyone I've asked since has also said "zero" so now I just laugh it off.

Also, don't ask any girl of any ethnicity about her weave. Nothing good comes of that.

Yeah, plus there is no such thing as "talking black" some people need to hear what different African, and Jamaican accents sound like. From my own experience, black people in the South, especially in rural areas speak diffently than black people in other parts of the US. They should also know that not all black people speak English. They need to explore outside of the USA.

What most people think is "talking black" is actually ebonics. Speaking in ebonics makes someone look like they didn't even graduate high-school.

[DocCathode]

Originally Posted by cckerberos

The tentacle porn jokes made here whenever Japan gets brought up get old very quickly.

Guess what? That stuff isn't considered normal in Japan, either.

I've wondered seriously for a while now whether Japan is weirder than most other countries, or if it just exports weirder things than most other countries?

We are talking about a country where you can buy schoolgirls' used panties from vending machines http://www.snopes.com/risque/kinky/panties.asp

[Gezmo]

Originally Posted by Blackberry

What if they're South American? Or even if they are Central American, why is that okay to say but it's not okay to say someone is African if you don't know which African country they're from?

These rules of yours are very hard to learn.

It seems I got the wrong message across. You shouldn't call someone African unless you actually know they are African, you can't just say someone looks African. Not just for Africans, but for other people as well. It would be more correct to say that someone looks like they descend from West Africa, but African is just too vague.

We need to come up with a better vocabulary to describe different ancestries. One thing that would be correct is to say that someone looks like an Bantu African.

[Marley23]

Originally Posted by DocCathode

I've wondered seriously for a while now whether Japan is weirder than most other countries, or if it just exports weirder things than most other countries?

Considering the State of Florida.

[TokyoBayer]

Originally Posted by DocCathode

I've wondered seriously for a while now whether Japan is weirder than most other countries, or if it just exports weirder things than most other countries?

We are talking about a country where you can buy schoolgirls' used panties from vending machines http://www.snopes.com/risque/kinky/panties.asp

Snopes is not that great at discernment. I've corrected them a number of times about Japan. One (which they have temporarily pulled) also mentioned on this site, about supposed skirts faux see-thru skirts. This other site correctly doesn't buy it, where Snopes had inexplicably said was "Undetermined" despite the obvious errors in photoshopping. In that same section was a picture of women wearing scarves shaped like breasts which Snopes had unquestioningly passed along as normal fashion, where a quick google search showed they were from an art festival. (Which was pretty obvious from the picture, I could tell it was some from of trade show.) They changed the status after I complained.

Anyhoose, while they correctly site that selling used panties are now illegal (since 1994ish) they have accepted without question that "many readers have reported that these exist." As far as I can tell, they don't. I've seen youtube videos of what are reported to be ones in the back of porn shops, but they seem to be boxes of new panties.

Yes, one could purchase used panties back in the early 90s, but you can't now. Maybe somewhere but you would have an easier time finding cocaine in the States.

It also was never the case where the vending machines were out in public. They would be in sex toy shops and such, not in train stations as is frequently claimed.

[Blackberry]

Originally Posted by Gezmo

It seems I got the wrong message across. You shouldn't call someone African unless you actually know they are African, you can't just say someone looks African.

But I do know they're African. It's not only based on a person's appearance of course, names and accents and languages and other things are also clues. There are tons of people (I live around a whole bunch of Africans) that I know are African even though they've never specifically told me they are and I don't know which country they're from. It would make no sense to pretend that isn't true.

Maybe your issue is that you think just identifying someone as "African" means you think it's all just one big homogenous group. That's not true though. You can know there ARE differences without knowing what they all are. I don't think anyone is competent at identifying members of more than a handful of the world's thousands of ethnic groups.

[Autolycus]

Originally Posted by TokyoPlayer

Yes, one could purchase used panties back in the early 90s, but you can't now. Maybe somewhere but you would have an easier time finding cocaine in the States..

Yes, just to re-iterate, Japan can certainly seem like a strange and fascinating place, but, as far as panty vending machines go, they no longer exist.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by HazelNutCoffee

You are kidding me, right?

Have you ever BEEN to a major city in China or Korea? Everyone drives like maniacs. It has nothing to do with "less drivers."

China was a wild experience in terms of drivers, but Seoul has always been entirely orderly.

[WOOKINPANUB]

As a Jew, I'm getting pretty tired of all the tightwad jokes. Last time it happened I had my attorney brother sue the offending party. My big shot Hollywood producer cousin is making a movie about it (the profits from which I'm going to use to expand my diamond dealership).

All kidding (and possible thread shitting ; I swear it's not my intention)aside, I'm kind of surprised at the earnestness with which people are responding to the OP. Do you really care that much about stupid stereotypes?