Originally Posted by Maggie the Ocelot
But that's the thing. I think a lot of times when people say "God", they aren't thinking necessarily of a specific god at all. They're thinking of some sort of benificent Creator-spirit, who may or may not have any defining characteristics beyond that.
If you're arguing for a Deist sort of god, you are NOT arguing for a god that fits the defined characteristics of either YHVH or Jesus. If you are arguing that God is Nature, or Eternity, or the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal - that's cool, and worth discussing - but again, that's not the same Deity described in the Torah or the New Testament.
Even the deity defined in the New Testament doesn't seem to be well defined, with different sects saying he loves gays or hates gays. This, and your first point, is exactly what I was referring to. A believer can't expect an atheist to demonstrate why the god he believes in makes no sense when he can't even describe the god he believes in.
It is like if a doctor is asked to create a cure for Bonkus of the Conkus, which is a disease which sometimes makes you feel tired on Monday or glad on Tuesday, and can be found in a leg, an arm, or nowhere at all. She can't come up with a cure? What kind of doctor is she, anyhow?