Attn circumcised: your mother is likely a sex offender

[Princhester]

Originally Posted by PlainJain

Sorry if this is off-topic of this fascinating subject, but I notice from your link that Dr. Duane Gish consistently won his debates with evolutionists. You learn something new every day.

Actually, this isn't far from the mark. Even many anti-creationist people think so. Gish was a clever speaker, and his opponents were usually underprepared and generally less populist and slick. Opponents of Gish's schtick got better as time went by at debating him.

Comments here: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/debating/gish.html

[John Mace]

Originally Posted by Ravenman

What's that Internet law about parody being indistinguishable from crazy?

Or drunk. I was thinking drunk. Benefit of the doubt and all.

[FoieGrasIsEvil]

I'm glad my Mom raped me. In addition to what PunditLisa (Cincinnati in the heezy!) said, I am glad my cock does not look like a pig in a blanket.


Mmmmm....pigs in a blanket.....

[PlainJain]

Originally Posted by Princhester

Actually, this isn't far from the mark. Even many anti-creationist people think so. Gish was a clever speaker, and his opponents were usually underprepared and generally less populist and slick. Opponents of Gish's schtick got better as time went by at debating him.

Comments here: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/debating/gish.html

Thanks for the link, interesting reading. You do learn something new every day.

[Procrustus]

Originally Posted by FoieGrasIsEvil

I'm glad my Mom raped me. In addition to what PunditLisa (Cincinnati in the heezy!) said, I am glad my cock does not look like a pig in a blanket.


Mmmmm....pigs in a blanket.....

I bet you never thought you'd type those words.

[FoieGrasIsEvil]

Originally Posted by Procrustus

I bet you never thought you'd type those words.

Its true. Since I live in the Cincinnati area, I rarely type the word "Cincinnati". Its got a great s-sounding ring to it. SINSINNATI!

[Darth Panda]

Originally Posted by John Mace

Or drunk. I was thinking drunk. Benefit of the doubt and all.

I was thinking Tuesday...

[silenus]

I like people like the OP. I read their posts and think "There but for the sake of a strictly random universe go I."

Thanks, Mom.

[Manda JO]

Originally Posted by PunditLisa

Personally, I'm glad that my husband's mother sexually assaulted him when he was an infant. Through the years, I've become acquainted with both circumcised and uncircumcised penises, and I have to say that dick cheese is something I prefer to live without.

Originally Posted by FoieGrasIsEvil

I'm glad my Mom raped me. In addition to what PunditLisa (Cincinnati in the heezy!) said, I am glad my cock does not look like a pig in a blanket.

You know, it's posts like this (on both sides) that turn these threads into train wrecks. Lots and lots of men are not circumcised and do not have "dick cheese" and look perfectly attractive. But some of them are inevitably going to have knee-jerk defensive reactions to the accusation that they have an ugly, nasty penis. I mean, you can't hardly blame them. Except some of the defending will take the form of insulting the circumcised penis, which will make the other side defensive, and even more virulent in their own attacks and pretty soon we are all passionately arguing about something that just isn't that big if a deal either way.

Look, the OP is insane. We can all agree with that. You don't have to insult a bunch of random men to make it clear that the OP is crazy. It's possible for BOTH the OP to be crazy AND it be a perfectly cromulent choice not to circumcise your child.

[Darth Panda]

My penis is clearly more cromulent than most.

[PunditLisa]

Originally Posted by Manda JO

You know, it's posts like this (on both sides) that turn these threads into train wrecks.

You're a crack up. But I'm glad you've come along to give this thread the solemnity it warrants.

[FoieGrasIsEvil]

Originally Posted by Manda JO

You know, it's posts like this (on both sides) that turn these threads into train wrecks. Lots and lots of men are not circumcised and do not have "dick cheese" and look perfectly attractive. But some of them are inevitably going to have knee-jerk defensive reactions to the accusation that they have an ugly, nasty penis. I mean, you can't hardly blame them. Except some of the defending will take the form of insulting the circumcised penis, which will make the other side defensive, and even more virulent in their own attacks and pretty soon we are all passionately arguing about something that just isn't that big if a deal either way.

Look, the OP is insane. We can all agree with that. You don't have to insult a bunch of random men to make it clear that the OP is crazy. It's possible for BOTH the OP to be crazy AND it be a perfectly cromulent choice not to circumcise your child.

I don't entirely disagree, but in other news...I'm just jerking around!

Perhaps that's a poor word choice....

Anyway, I do honestly believe in the cockles of my heart that a circumcised penis is more attractive looking than an uncircumcised one. An uncircumcised penis really does look like a pig in a blanket.

[JKellyMap]

Originally Posted by FoieGrasIsEvil

I don't entirely disagree, but in other news...I'm just jerking around!

Perhaps that's a poor word choice....

Anyway, I do honestly believe in the cockles of my heart that a circumcised penis is more attractive looking than an uncircumcised one. An uncircumcised penis really does look like a pig in a blanket.

Heh heh, heh heh... You thaid "cockles" ... Heh heh...

-- Beavis (or was it Butthead?)

[Really Not All That Bright]

Not even an exception for medically necessary infant circumcisions. He's like the Fred Phelps of foreskin.

[Morgenstern]

Originally Posted by Try2B Comprehensive

If your mother brought you to the medical authorities...


It really depends on the individual case. A circumcised infant might be raised by gay men, or circumcised by authorities who do not consult the parents, ...

I've heard of those authorities. They are called the Foreskin Fraternity. They collect foreskins, sew a few together, and sell them as wallets. When need be, they can be rubbed briskly and become suitcases.

[August West]

I know they say everything goes in cycles, but I never thought we'd see another Jack Dean Tyler!

Someone teach this guy about the Tug-Ahoy!

[Ambivalid]

Originally Posted by Princhester

Oh FFS Ambivalid T-R-O-L-L is not an alternative spelling of "person with whacko views". The word gets thrown around like confetti around here. Try2B is persistently but consistently extremist and silly but as far as I can tell (worryingly) sincere. Lay off it already. Get another damn tune.

Uh, ok. Just asking. I'm still trying to nail down precisely what "trolling" is exactly and I've heard it described as "posted purposely just to inflame"; and this seems to fit that definition. Please forgive me for annoying you.

[FoieGrasIsEvil]

Originally Posted by Morgenstern

I've heard of those authorities. They are called the Foreskin Fraternity. They collect foreskins, sew a few together, and sell them as wallets. When need be, they can be rubbed briskly and become suitcases.

I thought that's what those Nazi lampshades were made out of?

[Lumpy]

To take the OP more seriously than it deserves, the vast majority of American men were circumcised because it was believed that circumcision led to lower rates of cervical cancer in their female partners. That may have been mistaken but the intention was blameless.

[John Mace]

What's all this fuss about circumspection?

[Meyer6]

Originally Posted by AK84

in all seriousness, child abuse is a real and depressingly common problem, someone of the responses to it are of such a nature that I worry that your example will soon really verboten.

Really? You think that we are moving towards a society in which it is frowned upon for a woman to change a baby boys diaper? How exactly do you think that would work?

[Really Not All That Bright]

Originally Posted by Lumpy

To take the OP more seriously than it deserves, the vast majority of American men were circumcised because it was believed that circumcision led to lower rates of cervical cancer in their female partners. That may have been mistaken but the intention was blameless.

It does reduce the rate of HIV transmission, so there's that.

[Guinastasia]

I'm starting to wonder if the OP's brains were in his foreskin. That would explain a lot.

[Victor Charlie]

To paraphrase Liz Lemmon, the OP is staunchly in favor of Cocoa Puffs.

[drewtwo99]

The good news is that for messed up people like the OP, there is a way to re-form the foreskin by dangling weights of slowly increasing size off of what skin you have left. It will reform a foreskin of sorts, and looks a lot if not just like an uncircumcised penis.

So all you cut guys out there yearning for the days when you had foreskin, there is a way to go back to those halcyon glory days of yore. Just google how to reform your foreskin, or maybe google uncircumcise or something like that, I'm sure you'll find it.

[Makeitstop]

Originally Posted by Ferret Herder

If it is, he's remarkably committed to that topic. I don't want to wade through that thread again (the last time around was enough, thank you) but I'm pretty sure he was comparing circumcision to the removal of the clitoris and suggesting there was some kind of religious (Catholic?) brainwashing going on to keep guys from masturbating. Or something.

There was also somethign about the Queen of england in there.
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Don't ask. Read the thread if you're THAT interested in finding out.

[Try2B Comprehensive]

Originally Posted by Emiliana

Accepting the OP's logic for one terrifying moment, why isn't the father a sex offender too?

Geez, moving this to the pit really defeats the purpose.

The father is included too. The doctor has performed malpractice (at best) if there isn't a solid reason for the procedure. I am not sure I can have this discussion in the pit though. I didn't want to go on with this in the Germany thread because the focus there is completely backwards to me. Circ as a routine matter needs to go here in the US , without zeroing in on the religious motive. Personally I am not sure I am willing to ban it for Muslims and Jews. I kind of like those guys; it turns out I am not comfortable discussing the topic when the focus is a law restricting religions. IANAL for one; for two I don't want to give the impression that my disgust with the slack-jawed stupidity of circ extends to those religions.

Sound like 'dopers are mostly big fans of infant partial-penile amputation though. But again, I don't think this discussion can happen in the pit. Have fun. I may stop in to fight just to vent.

[Try2B Comprehensive]

Originally Posted by PunditLisa

Personally, I'm glad that my husband's mother sexually assaulted him when he was an infant. Through the years, I've become acquainted with both circumcised and uncircumcised penises, and I have to say that dick cheese is something I prefer to live without.

What a great reason to perform irreversible surgery on children- your convenience!

[Procrustus]

Originally Posted by Try2B Comprehensive

Sound like 'dopers are mostly big fans of infant partial-penile amputation though. But again, I don't think this discussion can happen in the pit. Have fun. I may stop in to fight just to vent.

Not that we're necessarily fans, in fact I was not going to circumcise any sons born to me. [But, I had no sons] The disagreement you're hearing is mostly about the level of outrage ("sex offender" and "partial-penile amputation" for example). It's perfectly acceptable, even here at the SDMB, to be an any circumcision advocate. But over the top language provokes some push back.

[Candyman74]

Originally Posted by Try2B Comprehensive

rape.

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

[Try2B Comprehensive]

Originally Posted by Really Not All That Bright

Not even an exception for medically necessary infant circumcisions.

That's the only justifiable case.

Originally Posted by Lumpy

To take the OP more seriously than it deserves, the vast majority of American men were circumcised because it was believed that circumcision led to lower rates of cervical cancer in their female partners. That may have been mistaken but the intention was blameless.

The misguided reasons of the past were wrong so.... let's keep doing it!

[Try2B Comprehensive]

Originally Posted by MsRobyn

Dude, I wasn't even in the room at the time. Cut me a break, willya?

Sorry, MsRobyn. In all seriousness, can't you see why the mother-disparaging aspect of it makes circ so much more upsetting to me?

Originally Posted by Eliahna

And if she's British, she's a Gulf-Murdering Incestuous Mutilating Rapist, the worst kind of incestuous mutilating rapist there is!

Frankly I have mostly moved past my flirtation with anti-Brit prejudice. Posting about that on here probably did not win me many friends, but I did get some help poking holes in the perspective- a win for me, and annoyed dopers fulfill their mission. I was mostly just really pissed off.

But while we are here, part of me is surprised they didn't make the Olympic motto, "There is no such thing as a society."

[the_diego]

Next up: sex changes, cosmetic surgery, vaginal tightening.

[The Man In Black]

Originally Posted by Try2B Comprehensive

If you are circumcised, this thread is about you. If you aren't, it isn't.

If your mother brought you to the medical authorities for circumcision, she is an accomplice to sexual assualt; more specifically, male genital mutilation.

If social pressure dictates that a mother submit her infant to male genital mutilation, morality demands that the mother resist.

Mothers that "give in" are accessories to sexual assault, at best. At worst, they are guilty of incestual rape.

It really depends on the individual case. A circumcised infant might be raised by gay men, or circumcised by authorities who do not consult the parents, etc. Your personal mother literally may not be guilty. Statistically speaking, though, she probably is.

Literally a sex offender.

Your mommy did things to you as a child, disn;t she?

[Guinastasia]

Originally Posted by Try2B Comprehensive

That's the only justifiable case.

So rape/sexual abuse is okay when it's medical?

[Southern Yankee]

Sounds to me like someone wishes he had an extra 1/4 inch....

[Victor Charlie]

I, for one, am grateful my mom was such a monster.

[Vlad/Igor]

You know what? I was circumcised as an infant in the early 1960s, a barbarous time indeed for male infants. I have never had a foreskin, and I don't miss it. I. Don't. Care. If Try 2 B Comprehensive can understand and accept my rejection of victimhood, then we can have a fruitful discussion. Otherwise, I have no patience or any interest whatsoever in manufactured victimhood. Unless you create the feelings of victimhood and mutilation, they don't automatically appear in circumcised men.

Let me reiterate: I. Don't. Care. I am perfectly happy with who I am and how I appear, despite your attempts to make me feel less.

(Did his head explode yet?)

[Battle Pope]

Originally Posted by Southern Yankee

Sounds to me like someone wishes he had an extra 1/4 inch....

Looks to me more like the OP has/had a perfectly fine life but decided they needed something to be whine about so they could somehow claim "victim" status.

As an attempt at attention whoring or a bid for sympathy, getting all misty-eyed about something that he can't even remember and that the vast majority of guys who have had it done, don't give a flying fuck about, is pretty lame.

I wonder if the OP has confronted his own mother with his thoughts?

[Guinastasia]

Originally Posted by Battle Pope

Looks to me more like the OP has/had a perfectly fine life but decided they needed something to be whine about so they could somehow claim "victim" status.

Probably his whining about being a victim of BP oil wasn't working, so he found something else. One wonders what he'll try next.

[Boyo Jim]

Hot oil circumcision?

[Vlad/Igor]

*Crosses legs*

[JRDelirious]

Originally Posted by Battle Pope

Looks to me more like the OP has/had a perfectly fine life but decided they needed something to be whine about so they could somehow claim "victim" status.

As an attempt at attention whoring or a bid for sympathy, getting all misty-eyed about something that he can't even remember and that the vast majority of guys who have had it done, don't give a flying fuck about, is pretty lame.

Yeah, really. Sure, it's entirely unnecessary for it to be performed routinely, BUT, millions of Jews and Muslims for thousands of years, and millions of American gentiles for the past century, have each happily consorted with their preferred partner or partners or surrogate substitutes, plus had many hours of quiet self-enjoyment, and otherwise led fine lives, without apparently missing a beat over this.

[silenus]

Originally Posted by Victor Charlie

I, for one, am grateful my mom was such a monster.

Ditto. Personally, I think anteaters are ugly.

[Princhester]

Originally Posted by Try2B Comprehensive

Sound like 'dopers are mostly big fans of infant partial-penile amputation though. But again, I don't think this discussion can happen in the pit. Have fun. I may stop in to fight just to vent.

Your problem both here and in your BP threads is that your position may have some nub of underlying truth but your rhetoric and exaggeration buries your point in Teh Crazy. So your threads end up comprising trivially easy refutation of your crazyass over the top nonsense. In other words congratulations on your remarkable talent for poisoning your own well.

[JKellyMap]

Originally Posted by JRDelirious

Yeah, really. Sure, it's entirely unnecessary for it to be performed routinely, BUT, millions of Jews and Muslims for thousands of years, and millions of American gentiles for the past century, have each happily consorted with their preferred partner or partners or surrogate substitutes, plus had many hours of quiet self-enjoyment, and otherwise led fine lives, without apparently missing a beat over this.

Quiet self-emjoyment? Speak for yourself.

And..."without missing a beat"?

[Trinopus]

Originally Posted by Vlad/Igor

You know what? I was circumcised as an infant in the early 1960s, a barbarous time indeed for male infants. I have never had a foreskin, and I don't miss it. I. Don't. Care. . . .

Your denial of your true feelings is evidence of the massive psychological repression exercised by your mind to compensate for your severe mutilation and penile amputation. You say -- you may even *believe* -- that you don't care, but, like women denying penis envy, you really feel deeply victimized and are compensating for it by a defensive mechanism of false expression.

(And, yes, please, I'm joking my ass off here!)

[AHunter3]

Originally Posted by runner pat

I didn't realize you were dating ZPG Zealot.

Congratulations.

I was thinking JackDeanTyler myself. Does nothing ever change around here? Why do we drive on parkways and park in driveways anyhow?

[Guinastasia]

Originally Posted by AHunter3

I was thinking JackDeanTyler myself. Does nothing ever change around here? Why do we drive on parkways and park in driveways anyhow?

Why do we bake cookies and cook bacon?

[digs]

My sister used to work for tips.