The handyman is a convicted sex offender.

[billfish678]

If he has done a good job and worked hard at a bargain price I'd consider a serious tip. Yes, there is the chance you''ll just be putting extra money in a sleaze bag who is just bidding his time and keeping low. But there is also the chance you'll be putting well appreciated money into the pocket of somebody who isn't who they were decades ago, has turned their life around, and could probably use the money. I risk the chance of doing the first for the opportunity of possibly doing the second.

As for the let em know you know? I can see either way being the right way to go on that one. My inclination would be to let him know. Don't make a big deal about it. Just state it and drop it unless he wants to engage more. And if you are serious about hiring him for more work let him know that. Then, if you do let him know, tell him you would consider recommending him but that you would HAVE to let those people you recommend him to know his history and ask him whether he would want that or not.

Then, give a firm handshake and wish him luck .

Oh, I wonder if there is anyway to talk to his parole officer, how that would go, how it should be approached, and whether that would be a good idea or not.

[Capt Kirk]

IMHO you should let him know that he has a criminal background and that it could affect his ability to work for you, he will understand. There is no need to go into details, his reaction might be telling. Do you have any idea how long he was in? Did I understand correctly that he will be removed from the SO list when he completes parole?

CAPT

[Really Not All That Bright]

No.

[Rand Rover]

Originally Posted by Crime Scene

I think he is on parole for failure to pay child support [snip]

I'd like to replace my previous "fuck him" with "totally super-fuck that guy."

[Capt Kirk]

Just to add if you wish a call to his parole officer it would be welcomed by all. Most employers don't/won't call, so a PO has little info to work with.

CAPT

[The Man In Black]

Originally Posted by BrainGlutton

WHY? No matter how nasty the crime was, a convict who has done his time has as much right as anybody else to make a living. Or to live next door to you -- some people even object to that!

He didn't rob a 7-11 or steal a car. He raped a little girl. I object to his continued existence. The way I see it, the only right he has is to have his fucking head sawed off with a rusty blade.

[The Man In Black]

Originally Posted by gamerunknown

You guys ever seen the Woodsman?

If child rape prohibits one from working ever again, there's no point having a limit on imprisonment. Personally I wouldn't be too bothered if paedophiles were separated from the rest of society, even if they'd never committed a crime (there are objective tests which can demonstrate erotic response to children).

Now thats just fucking stupid. Condemning a person just because of the way his brain is wired? You banning gays too?

[MannyL]

Originally Posted by Rand Rover

I'd like to replace my previous "fuck him" with "totally super-fuck that guy."

What if the reason he wasn't paying child support was he was unable to work because no one would hire him?

[moejoe]

Originally Posted by Crime Scene

You think I should bring it up?

I do, why not? If he's a good worker and you have more work for him but you're hesitant about hiring him because of his criminal record just say so and give him a chance to explain himself. Maybe his explanation will be stupid or sound insincere and you can just pass and move on, or maybe he'll speak to you honestly and you'll feel confident that he's a good hire.

Either way is better than skirting around the issue, pretending you don't know when you actually do, or letting a good worker go over what could be a misunderstanding or mistake of the justice system.

[needscoffee]

I would consider calling the PO listed on the DOC website, see if she can assure you that she will not let him know you were asking about him. She should be able to fill you in on any details.

[Beastly Rotter]

Originally Posted by SnakesCatLady

I'm really, really torn on this one.

Too soon.

[bengangmo]

If you want to let him know you know, why not in a roundabout way.

"hey, you've done a good job here, I've got more work coming up but need to check if there's any restrictions because of your parole or sex offender registration I need to know about first".

And to The Man In Black, "rape" has a whole slew of meanings, from (as can be seen from the actual statute) touching to penis in vagina sex.

We don't know what he actually did. And it was 22 years ago. As much as I would be damn fucking upset if somebody touched my 8 year old, I (hope) that I can still recognise that it's a continum, and not all acts are equal.

[Rand Rover]

Originally Posted by MannyL

What if the reason he wasn't paying child support was he was unable to work because no one would hire him?

What if I gave a shit about that?

[Crime Scene]

Originally Posted by bengangmo

If you want to let him know you know, why not in a roundabout way.

"hey, you've done a good job here, I've got more work coming up but need to check if there's any restrictions because of your parole or sex offender registration I need to know about first".

And to The Man In Black, "rape" has a whole slew of meanings, from (as can be seen from the actual statute) touching to penis in vagina sex.

We don't know what he actually did. And it was 22 years ago. As much as I would be damn fucking upset if somebody touched my 8 year old, I (hope) that I can still recognise that it's a continum, and not all acts are equal.

I like the round-a-bout idea. I am strongly considering him for more work. There is plenty that needs to be done and a short supply of small contractors who are actually reliable. He has done really good work and completed a few things I didn't even ask him to do; he is also punctual and keeps in touch well. He has returned all my calls, supplied me with all the receipts, and saved me a few hundred dollars.

My wife and I decided that we need to ask him at least to explain himself. I don't necessarily want details because it is going to be coming from him and I'm sure his version is quite a bit different. Additionally, I have no interest in hearing the details; I just want to know that he is indeed a better person than he once was. The thing that gives me the most doubt is that he has more convictions. So far I have found these:

Passing Bad Check--Under { Misdemeanor A RSMo: 570.120 }
Dwr(Susp Prob Cause .10% { Misdemeanor A RSMo: 302.321 }
Failure To Register Mtr Veh { Misdemeanor B RSMo: 301.020 }
Nonsupport In Each Of Six Individual Months Within Any Twelve-Month Period, Amount Owed Is In Excess Of $5000 { Felony D RSMo: 568.040 }
Failure To Complete And Submit Offender Registration Form With Chief Law Enforcement Officer { Misdemeanor A RSMo: 589.425 }
Dwi - Alcohol { Misdemeanor B RSMo: 577.010
Dwr(Susp Prob Cause .10% { Misdemeanor A RSMo: 302.321 }

This is quite the list of convictions. There were others that were too old for the charges to still be listed under the database I am using. This really gives me pause as to whether I should give him more work or not. There is nothing for fraud or theft, but goodness, there is a lot.

[Crime Scene]

Damn. That's a lot. Hard to believe he is even on the streets, especially after failing to register

[Rand Rover]

That list "gives [you] pause"? Jesus Christ. The guy is a fucking loser. Why would you want someone like that in your life?

[drewtwo99]

He's doing good work.

If you feel you have a moral obligation to punish him beyond what society has deemed fit with respect to the law, then fire him.

If you trust in society to apply appropriate punishment, then don't put it upon yourself to punish him further yourself by denying him work.

It's really that simple.

The guy obviously sounds like a scumbag. But he's doing you a good job. So, how do you feel about society and the law?

[Rachellelogram]

That is a long list of shit. But, the only one that's higher than a misdemeanor is the child support charge, at least. Do you have dates for those charges?

I'm really glad you supplemented their dinner, BTW. That makes me all inside.

Originally Posted by Rand Rover

I'd like to replace my previous "fuck him" with "totally super-fuck that guy."

If nobody will ever hire him, how's he even supposed to support himself, much less a child? Refusing him steady work is only going to put him further down the well. Imprisoning him for being unable to afford child support (given that he's unable to secure steady employment) would amount to, essentially, confining him to debtor's prison.

To the people gnashing their teeth and wailing, "Off with his head!" or "What if it was you/your 6 year old who got molested? " Well, I'm a victim of molestation. I'm able to assess the situation moderately, though. According to the statute posted upthread, the offense could have been anything from improper touching (with accompanying mental scarring, for the victim) to full-on rape (which entails mental scarring as well as enormous amounts of pain, physical scarring, and potential loss of future fertility). Based on the sentence, it's much more likely the former than the latter. Yes child sexual abuse is fucking awful, but there are mitigating circumstances here--like the short sentence, the length of time that has passed since his last known sexual offense, and the fact that he seems to have decent work references. Give the guy a fuckin' mulligan.

I really like the suggestion of giving him a little something extra. OP: If you can afford it, maybe you can consider giving him a nice bonus check (like a $50 or $100 check in a sealed envelope on his way out the door on the last day), since he's doing good cut-rate work in this heat.

[Crime Scene]

Originally Posted by Rand Rover

That list "gives [you] pause"? Jesus Christ. The guy is a fucking loser. Why would you want someone like that in your life?

I didn't say I wanted him in my life. A one time, horrendous screw-up I can possibly get past, but not all of it as a whole. I don't want him in my life, per say, but it is hard to find good work at a reasonable price around here. I understand your position Rand Rover. You think he is scum and deserves a bullet in the head, but I'm trying to be fair here and it just isn't working.

[Crime Scene]

Originally Posted by Rachellelogram

I'm really glad you supplemented their dinner. That makes me all inside.

If nobody will ever hire him, how's he even supposed to support himself, much less a child? Refusing him steady work is only going to put him further down the well. Imprisoning him for being unable to afford child support (given that he's unable to secure steady employment) would amount to, essentially, confining him to debtor's prison.

To the people gnashing their teeth and wailing, "Off with his head!" or "What if it was you/your 6 year old who got molested? " Well, I'm a victim of molestation. I'm able to assess the situation moderately, though. According to the statute posted upthread, the offense could have been anything from improper touching (with accompanying mental scarring, for the victim) to full-on rape (which entails mental scarring as well as enormous amounts of pain, physical scarring, and potential loss of future fertility). Based on the sentence, it's much more likely the former than the latter. Yes child sexual abuse is fucking awful, but there are mitigating circumstances here--like the short sentence, the length of time that has passed since his last known offense, and the fact that he seems to have decent work references. Give the guy a fuckin' mulligan.

I really like the suggestion of giving him a little something extra. OP: If you can afford it, maybe you can consider giving him a nice bonus check (like a $50 or $100 check in a sealed envelope on his way out the door on the last day), since he's doing good cut-rate work in this heat.

Thank you for the suggestions, Rachelle. He has already earned a tip he doesn't know about by putting up a range hood without me asking him to do it. He heard me tell my wife in passing that I'd need an electrician since the wiring in the house was so sketchy and old. He put it up and told me later; he didn't seem to be seeking praise. When he left last night he needed cash, rather than my standard check, because he needed money to get him through Sunday. I gave him $50 on a prepaid card to get him through the weekend. There will be plenty of work if I decide to stick with him, but like I said, I just don't know. The most recent conviction I listed looks like its from '07.

[bengangmo]

Originally Posted by Crime Scene

I like the round-a-bout idea. I am strongly considering him for more work. There is plenty that needs to be done and a short supply of small contractors who are actually reliable. He has done really good work and completed a few things I didn't even ask him to do; he is also punctual and keeps in touch well. He has returned all my calls, supplied me with all the receipts, and saved me a few hundred dollars.

My wife and I decided that we need to ask him at least to explain himself. I don't necessarily want details because it is going to be coming from him and I'm sure his version is quite a bit different. Additionally, I have no interest in hearing the details; I just want to know that he is indeed a better person than he once was. The thing that gives me the most doubt is that he has more convictions. So far I have found these:

Passing Bad Check--Under { Misdemeanor A RSMo: 570.120 }
Dwr(Susp Prob Cause .10% { Misdemeanor A RSMo: 302.321 }
Failure To Register Mtr Veh { Misdemeanor B RSMo: 301.020 }
Nonsupport In Each Of Six Individual Months Within Any Twelve-Month Period, Amount Owed Is In Excess Of $5000 { Felony D RSMo: 568.040 }
Failure To Complete And Submit Offender Registration Form With Chief Law Enforcement Officer { Misdemeanor A RSMo: 589.425 }
Dwi - Alcohol { Misdemeanor B RSMo: 577.010
Dwr(Susp Prob Cause .10% { Misdemeanor A RSMo: 302.321 }

This is quite the list of convictions. There were others that were too old for the charges to still be listed under the database I am using. This really gives me pause as to whether I should give him more work or not. There is nothing for fraud or theft, but goodness, there is a lot.

That's a rather long list - HOWEVER, aside from the DWI they look like a pretty typical list from somebody that has a problem staying employed and earning honest money.

They seem to be the sorts of offences that are all directly related to the original offence over 20 years ago - so while I don't condone them, they seem to be "related" rather than new illegalities. (i.e - I'm kinda a little forgiving of them, or at least more so than if there was a whole long list of violent offences, or theft or similar)

[Crime Scene]

I wish one of you who see this as a black and white issue could make the decision for me.

[Crime Scene]

Originally Posted by bengangmo

That's a rather long list - HOWEVER, aside from the DWI they look like a pretty typical list from somebody that has a problem staying employed and earning honest money.

They seem to be the sorts of offences that are all directly related to the original offence over 20 years ago - so while I don't condone them, they seem to be "related" rather than new illegalities. (i.e - I'm kinda a little forgiving of them, or at least more so than if there was a whole long list of violent offences, or theft or similar)

Likewise, Bengangmo. I imagine life has not been easy for him over the last 22 years so I can see why the aforementioned charges could be excused or at least looked at without making a harsh judgement. Obviously the judges he dealt with didn't feel it necessary to incarcerate him.

[Rand Rover]

Originally Posted by Rachellelogram

If nobody will ever hire him, how's he even supposed to support himself, much less a child? Refusing him steady work is only going to put him further down the well. Imprisoning him for being unable to afford child support (given that he's unable to secure steady employment) would amount to, essentially, confining him to debtor's prison.

I just said that I think the guy is a fucking loser and I wouldn't hire him, and if I were the OP I would fire his ass post-haste. How you get from that to grand proclamations starting with "well if nobody ever hires him" I will never know. I don't care what other people do. I'm not basing my actions on the effects on this one guy of a hypothetical universe where everyone does what I do. The guy is a loser, I wouldn't want him near me, that's the end of it.

I really like the suggestion of giving him a little something extra. OP: If you can afford it, maybe you can consider giving him a nice bonus check (like a $50 or $100 check in a sealed envelope on his way out the door on the last day), since he's doing good cut-rate work in this heat.

Gotta love the SDMB. Someone starts an OP about how to treat a sex offender and all-around loser they hired and several people suggest to pay him more.

Originally Posted by Crime Scene

I didn't say I wanted him in my life. A one time, horrendous screw-up I can possibly get past, but not all of it as a whole. I don't want him in my life, per say, but it is hard to find good work at a reasonable price around here. I understand your position Rand Rover. You think he is scum and deserves a bullet in the head, but I'm trying to be fair here and it just isn't working.

He's in your house, talking to your wife, having conversations with you, dealing with stuff involving money and fixing your house--he's in your life, at least while he's working for you.

I don't think he deserves a bullet in the head--I don't think "deserves" means anything. I'm just telling you what I would do, which is to not have people like this in my life.

[Rand Rover]

Originally Posted by Crime Scene

I wish one of you who see this as a black and white issue could make the decision for me.

OK broseph, no problem. Tomorrow tell him that you have to let him go. Say you aren't going to be doing the project you hired him for due to money troubles or because you have to move really quickly, something like that. Give him any money you owe him, shake his hand, say you are sorry and that he did a good job, and off he fucks.

[Crime Scene]

Originally Posted by Rand Rover

I just said that I think the guy is a fucking loser and I wouldn't hire him, and if I were the OP I would fire his ass post-haste. How you get from that to grand proclamations starting with "well if nobody ever hires him" I will never know. I don't care what other people do. I'm not basing my actions on the effects on this one guy of a hypothetical universe where everyone does what I do. The guy is a loser, I wouldn't want him near me, that's the end of it.


Gotta love the SDMB. Someone starts an OP about how to treat a sex offender and all-around loser they hired and several people suggest to pay him more.


He's in your house, talking to your wife, having conversations with you, dealing with stuff involving money and fixing your house--he's in your life, at least while he's working for you.

I don't think he deserves a bullet in the head--I don't think "deserves" means anything. I'm just telling you what I would do, which is to not have people like this in my life.

Fortunately, he is not in my home. He is in a vacant rental house and only has contact with my wife when I'm around. I truly do understand where you are coming from though. He may be a loser, but he is doing a damn good job at the tasks I hired him for. I guess I am having trouble seeing this as a black and white issue and I envy the fact that you can.

[bengangmo]

Originally Posted by Rand Rover

I just said that I think the guy is a fucking loser and I wouldn't hire him, and if I were the OP I would fire his ass post-haste. How you get from that to grand proclamations starting with "well if nobody ever hires him" I will never know. I don't care what other people do. I'm not basing my actions on the effects on this one guy of a hypothetical universe where everyone does what I do. The guy is a loser, I wouldn't want him near me, that's the end of it.

Because, it's kinda assumed
"I would never" = "Nobody should ever"
You can only expect the same standard from others that you expect of yourself.

If you are quite willing to condemn the guy, why should anyone else hire him. Ever.

Your post fits in perfectly with everything else you post on this board.

All I can say is that it simply reaffirms that I'm more than pleased that I don't know you. You're far from the sort of person that I would like to spend any time with, and further, you sound like a fucking self entitled, arrogant kumkwat to me.

[Rand Rover]

Originally Posted by bengangmo

Because, it's kinda assumed
"I would never" = "Nobody should ever"
You can only expect the same standard from others that you expect of yourself.

If you are quite willing to condemn the guy, why should anyone else hire him. Ever.

Your post fits in perfectly with everything else you post on this board.

All I can say is that it simply reaffirms that I'm more than pleased that I don't know you. You're far from the sort of person that I would like to spend any time with, and further, you sound like a fucking self entitled, arrogant kumkwat to me.

I don't deal in "should," broseph. It's a meaningless thing to talk about. I do make policy arguments about what course a government should take, but I don't say someone "should" do something because to do otherwise would be "immoral" or any such nonsense.

And of course these posts fit in with everything else I post. I'm a rational person who loves his family and doesn't put up with other people's bullshit. I don't see why I'd make an exception on any of those scores for this guy.

[ElvisL1ves]

It's just a hypothetical in your case, Randy. I'm sure this guy would never want to associate with a tax attorney.

[RickJay]

Originally Posted by Crime Scene

My wife and I decided that we need to ask him at least to explain himself. I don't necessarily want details because it is going to be coming from him and I'm sure his version is quite a bit different.

Allow be to be a devil's advocate here, no pun intended.

What possible benefit is there to you confronting him about things you know to be true and which don't materially affect your business relationship with the guy? I can't think of any possible positive outcome. His only possible response will be to be embarassed and say "yeah, I did those things but I'm trying to do better now." What the hell else is he going to say?

If his plan is to continue being a criminal he's not going to admit that, is he?

He has a criminal past. Criminals tend to have a lot of convictions. Either keep using him or don't, but acting like some sort of judge isn't going to do you any good. You'll create a dynamic there that simply doesn't do either of you any good. Just do business with him or don't do business with him.

If you think you're getting value for your money, personally, I'd keep doing business with him, since he's not really in a position where his history presents a risk to you, especially given his track record of service to you. But that's just me. Shut up about his past and tell him what you want fixed, or else don't.

[billfish678]

Originally Posted by MannyL

What if the reason he wasn't paying child support was he was unable to work because no one would hire him?

Well, he could have become a lawyer but even he had standards.

[Crime Scene]

Originally Posted by RickJay

Allow be to be a devil's advocate here, no pun intended.

What possible benefit is there to you confronting him about things you know to be true and which don't materially affect your business relationship with the guy? I can't think of any possible positive outcome. His only possible response will be to be embarassed and say "yeah, I did those things but I'm trying to do better now." What the hell else is he going to say?

If his plan is to continue being a criminal he's not going to admit that, is he?

He has a criminal past. Criminals tend to have a lot of convictions. Either keep using him or don't, but acting like some sort of judge isn't going to do you any good. You'll create a dynamic there that simply doesn't do either of you any good. Just do business with him or don't do business with him.

If you think you're getting value for your money, personally, I'd keep doing business with him, since he's not really in a position where his history presents a risk to you, especially given his track record of service to you. But that's just me. Shut up about his past and tell him what you want fixed, or else don't.

I agree with this in full RickJay. My wife, however, is hesitant to keep him employed because this is a small town and she is worried about what kind of reputation we may gain if his background was exposed to the community. She is a psychologist who believes she can judge whether or not he is a changed man by listening to his explanation, looking for regret, and examining his behavior when confronted with the situation.

Personally, I don't see what good can come of it either and I'm on the same side of the fence as you. He is doing good by me and has been honest and straight forward when it comes to prices and time frames. At this point I will probably hire him for more work; I just wanted to check his background to make sure there were no charges of fraud or theft. If there were any of those I could see asking him about it, otherwise it just feels like its none of my business. If it had just happened and it was making headlines in the local paper I could justify asking him. If I develop a further working relationship with him I may ask him about it in a round-a-bout way in the future. I have no desire to be his friend or anything like that, but I do want to know the people I have handling my money/materials.

[bengangmo]

Originally Posted by Crime Scene

I agree with this in full RickJay. My wife, however, is hesitant to keep him employed because this is a small town and she is worried about what kind of reputation we may gain if his background was exposed to the community.

This is both the joy of a small community, and represents all that is wrong with them. I grew up in a small town, and the help they can give is amazing.

At the same time, who you want to legally hire is totally your own business, and you should never be made to feel ashamed or "scared" of what others will think of you when legally hiring someone to work on your place.

I'm a contrary prick, so that sort of reaction would make me MORE likely to keep him on, not less.

[Rand Rover]

Originally Posted by billfish678

Well, he could have become a lawyer but even he had standards.

Snark fail. He couldn't pass a character and fitness review to become a lawyer.

[Beastly Rotter]

Originally Posted by billfish678

If he has done a good job and worked hard at a bargain price I'd consider a serious tip.

You had to go there, didn't you? You just had to go and turn a perfectly innocuous discussion about child rape into a tipping debate.

[Rand Rover]

Originally Posted by bengangmo

At the same time, who you want to legally hire is totally your own business, and you should never be made to feel ashamed or "scared" of what others will think of you when legally hiring someone to work on your place.

And those "others " include a bunch of soft -headed douches on a liberal -leaning Internet messageboard.

[billfish678]

Originally Posted by Rand Rover

Snark fail. He couldn't pass a character and fitness review to become a lawyer.

You are right.

When asked would you do horrible thing X for your client or money? He would have to answer no.

[billfish678]

Originally Posted by Beastly Rotter

You had to go there, didn't you? You just had to go and turn a perfectly innocuous discussion about child rape into a tipping debate.

So is child raping in Canada okay but tipping bad? Or the other way around? I forget. Though I have heard that in Europe they pay their child rapist a living wage so over there you don't have to tip and its not expected (but the raping service sucks)

[Crime Scene]

Originally Posted by bengangmo

This is both the joy of a small community, and represents all that is wrong with them. I grew up in a small town, and the help they can give is amazing.

At the same time, who you want to legally hire is totally your own business, and you should never be made to feel ashamed or "scared" of what others will think of you when legally hiring someone to work on your place.

I'm a contrary prick, so that sort of reaction would make me MORE likely to keep him on, not less.

I'm the same way, bro. The more this town looks down on me the better I feel about not liking their backwards beliefs.

[runner pat]

Originally Posted by Rand Rover

Snark fail. He couldn't pass a character and fitness review to become a lawyer.

I never realized scoring too high was a fail.

[Beastly Rotter]

Originally Posted by The Man In Black

Now thats just fucking stupid. Condemning a person just because of the way his brain is wired? You banning gays too?

Please tell me you did not just equate child rape with homosexuality.

[bengangmo]

Originally Posted by Beastly Rotter

Please tell me you did not just equate child rape with homosexuality.

Nope he didn't -

He equated pedophilia to the structure of the brain, as in, it being something that the sufferer can't help (although they can choose not to act on it) to homosexuality also being the structure of the brain and not a lifestyle choice.

If I understood correctly, it was not a value judgement, but rather a statement of fact that nobody "chooses" to be have pedophillic attractions, anymore than somebody chooses to be gay. It's just the way that the individual brain is wired.

[Zulema]

The crime against the 6 year old was a long time ago and he could have been wrongly convicted. From the description of the types of things that could have led to the charges it seems like it might be easy for a 6 year old to be led to say things that didn't happen or didn't happen how she said or thought. There's been enough cases of people wrongly convicted of child molestation that there's a not unreasonable chance it's not as bad as it sounds.

But it could be, and if it is you have no indication that he's done anything like it again. So, he's dating a younger women. That's not necessarily an indication that he's only into younger women. How many women his age are going to date someone who has trouble keeping a job?

How I feel about sex offenders is that the majority of sex offenders have never been caught. We can all freak out every time we see one who is known, or we can be practical and keep them away from children but let them go about their business until they show signs of trying to re-offend like palling around with, or showing too much interest in children. There's an identified sex offender, one you're safer from than the other sex offenders you interact with and let your children be around every day. The convicted sex offender in your neighborhood is one you can point out to your children and say "Stay away from that person. Do not walk by his house. If he gets within a certain distance of you, run and scream". The other sex offender in your neighborhood is probably your kid's best friend's uncle who thay hang around with all the time.

He does a good job at a fair price. Use him whenever you can until he proves himself untrustworthy. Don't recommend him out to people with young children and if people with children ask for his number just calmly explain that he has a past conviction listed on the web site and let them make their own decision. Explain that he does a good job and since there are no children around, you decided to give him a chance. I need some work done around my house, I would hire him. I have no children and there are no young children in my immediate area.

[Rachellelogram]

Originally Posted by Rand Rover

He couldn't pass a character and fitness review to become a lawyer.

Just because you are a character doesn't mean that you have character.

[Cheshire Human]

Originally Posted by Girl Next Door

You outed him because until you posted that I had no idea what his name was. Now I know his name, date of birth, height and weight.

And he's 10 years younger, 3 inches shorter, and 20 pounds heavier than me. Which is a whole hell of a lot more than anyone on this board knew about me before I posted this.

Yeah, you outed him.

[Cheshire Human]

Originally Posted by Confused dart cum

(e.g. there's another guy with the same name as him that's a sex offender: http://www.homefacts.com/offender-de...-Campbell.html) and it's a common name.

I checked that site for my name. There are 21 registered sex offenders who have the same name. None of them are me, not that I expected I would show up there, since I ain't a sex offender. An ad link there gave me the opportunity to search for criminal records. There were 44 people in my state alone. None of them were me. These days, it's nice to have a ridiculously common name. They'll be overwhelmed with results, most of which are obviously not applicable. They won't keep looking long enough to dig out my embarrassing details...

[AuntiePam]

Just out of curiosity, where did you find him in the first place? Did someone recommend him? Ad in the paper? Leaflet in your door? Angie's List?

[Guinastasia]

Originally Posted by The Man In Black

Now thats just fucking stupid. Condemning a person just because of the way his brain is wired? You banning gays too?

A pedophile may not be able to help the way he feels. He CAN control the way he ACTS. His brain never forced him to rape that girl. If you are honestly calling him the victim, because "his brain is wired that way", you're the fucking stupid one.

[bengangmo]

Originally Posted by Guinastasia

A pedophile may not be able to help the way he feels. He CAN control the way he ACTS. His brain never forced him to rape that girl. If you are honestly calling him the victim, because "his brain is wired that way", you're the fucking stupid one.

This

Personally I wouldn't be too bothered if paedophiles were separated from the rest of society, even if they'd never committed a crime (there are objective tests which can demonstrate erotic response to children).

Is the original quote.

Which is asking us to criminalise the way he feels. So while nobody is suggesting that actions should be excused, here is somebody suggesting that he should be blamed for an attraction (that is still moot at this point, as we don't know that he is even a medically diagnosed pedophile) that is the result of his (supposed) brain being wrongly wired.

[Broomstick]

Originally Posted by Troppus

Would you trust this man if you were the six year old, violated by a teenager old enough to drive, and nearly old enough to serve? Would you continue to allow him in your home if the six year old were your child? I'm all about forget and forgive for most transgressions, but whatever he did to a six year kid that warranted jail time would be difficult for me to put aside. And what offense has he committed recently that he has been paroled for? And he cracks jokes casually about being on parole? For those shouting live and let live, what is it about these circumstances that inspires a second chance?

I guess you TOTALLY missed where every single person advocating what you are calling "forgive and forget" (none of which involves saying what he did was OK or forgetting he did it) emphasized employing him ONLY where there where no children?

NO ONE is saying having him work in a home with a six year old running is OK. In fact, we've all said that's a circumstance where you would NOT want to hire him.

As for parole - that can extend for many, many years past prison release. There are people who are on parole for the rest of their lives.

We're not talking about "putting aside" what he did, what we're talking about is letting a man who is, apparently, behaving these days make an honest living doing work where no one is either tempted to repeat a past offensive or put into danger by someone.