Lion vs Tiger - Page 5

cmyk · #**201** 09-15-2012, 06:03 PM

And, to add, this is nothing to say of how they'd fight if in space or on the moon. But, of course, first things first...

Anduril · #**202** 09-15-2012, 06:11 PM

Now I'm getting some idea of what you're talking about. A few more cites might just clear it up completely for me.

cmyk · #**203** 09-15-2012, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Anduril

Now I'm getting some idea of what you're talking about. A few more cites might just clear it up completely for me.

There are no cites of a tiger vs. lion fight in space. Yet...

Unless you mean more terrestrial examples, than I concur.

Indian · #**204** 09-15-2012, 09:25 PM

One relevant question is " will the lion still win on a conveyor belt"?

cmyk · #**205** 09-15-2012, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian

One relevant question is " will the lion still win on a conveyor belt"?

No, but certainly a treadmill.

Indian · #**206** 09-15-2012, 09:34 PM

Shagnasty · #**207** 09-15-2012, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cmyk

I'll concede we simply need more research and study of this issue. The cites here so far are really scant and paltry (but not for lack of effort on part of the OP). OTOH, I think even a simple comparison of a lion's binocular ratio to that of a tiger's gives it an advantage in optical sensory and higher awareness of its surroundings than a tiger. I'll confess, I'm a hard-core Lioninst (we call ourselves "Prides" or Priders"). But the tiger wouldn't even be able to sneak up on a lion in the wild.

And this is nothing to say of it's unique mane that protects the lion's main arteries from the vicious tiger bite. This is leaving out the lioness, but if the male survives, it's not an issue. The tiger's all aggression, no finesse. A Tyson to Mohammad Ali, if you will.

Point taken but a tiger is more cunning and has more body mass. A tiger is almost as smart as an indigenous human child raised in the same habitat. Your comparison would be more fair if it was about the love child of Steven Hawking and Andre the Giant (the tiger) against a grade school bully (the lion)

Cite:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sto...le_Black_Sambo

Point Tiger! Match! Game!!!

Did I mention my high school mascot was the Tigers? The choice of Lions as a mascot never came up and for good reason. It would be ridiculous when you have a superior feline available as a choice.

cmyk · #**208** 09-15-2012, 10:50 PM

My home baseball team is the Detroit Tigers, and home football, the Lions. Yet, I still give it to the lion because I find Mac OSX Lion to be superior to Mac OSX Tiger. How do you think I was able to format my cites into hyperlinks? Mac OSX Lion.

It's just science.

Indian · #**209** 09-15-2012, 11:00 PM

My Lord has provided hundreds of citations to prove that lions have a statistical advantage over tigers. Please read through all of them and do a point to point rebuttal.

I was a skeptic, but My Lord has convinced me that lions are superior. And please note he is not against tigers.

He even challenged a renowned biologist.

Or else,

We can ask My Lord to provide some more citations, if that is going to convince you.

cmyk · #**210** 09-15-2012, 11:22 PM

I really wonder where Romney and Obama stand on the whole Lion vs. Tiger controversy. Depending on their stance, it could seriously affect my vote come November.

I prey this is addressed in the upcoming presidential debates.

cmyk · #**211** 09-16-2012, 05:32 PM

rawwwr!

My Lord · #**212** 09-16-2012, 11:13 PM

10,000 views XD
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Just maybe this thread will get more than the sticky poll in views....intresting? ^_^

cmyk · #**213** 09-17-2012, 01:12 AM

It's the king of the threads!

Viva la Lionists!

My Lord · #**214** 09-17-2012, 02:29 AM

I found a few more artifacts that I added to the list, I have to triple check it later, because if theres any repeated ones I will flush it out an remove it. But some almost look the same but they are from different eras, an by detail you can see that one has the tail facing up or down or side ways, or others have the head face paws all on different placements, you cant really do that with metal an ceramic type sculpturing, once the artifact is made then its permanant...so I will check them again when I have time......
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Enjoy ^_^

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cmyk · #**215** 09-17-2012, 02:52 AM

Excellent work. I have to say, for myself, this convinces me almost beyond any shadow of doubt that a sculpted lion can take on a sculpted tiger almost every time.

Unfortunately, I couldn't go through the entire list of cites, as my left-mouse button finally shattered under the stress of clicking the links when I got somewhere into the 50s. But I think what I saw was sufficient to finally put this side of "fictional lion vs. tiger depictions" to rest.

Yet, so much more ground to cover still. *sigh*

ETA: Although, taking a closer look, this one, seems to me the lion and tiger are totally making out. Might need to remove this one since it might be an example of lion/tiger fetishism.

My Lord · #**216** 09-17-2012, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by cmyk

Excellent work. I have to say, for myself, this convinces me almost beyond any shadow of doubt that a sculpted lion can take on a sculpted tiger almost every time.

Unfortunately, I couldn't go through the entire list of cites, as my left-mouse button finally shattered under the stress of clicking the links when I got somewhere into the 50s. But I think what I saw was sufficient to finally put this side of "fictional lion vs. tiger depictions" to rest.

Yet, so much more ground to cover still. *sigh*

ETA: Although, taking a closer look, this one, seems to me the lion and tiger are totally making out. Might need to remove this one since it might be an example of lion/tiger fetishism.

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I can assure you, almost 70% of them are joined an linked with an account, here I'll show you one of there full blown abstracts they are linked with...
31’st of March, 1851, In the “Landshuter Zeitung” (“Landshut Newspaper”)

A drama at the Ganges.

I’ll tell of one of these terrible fights, one you wouldn’t see again in a hundred years, a scene of blood and death that forever will haunt my mind. […] The lion and his rival, the tiger, need air and space in great quantity. Here, and only here, are they really able to live and to rule. […] (A long description of lions and tigers and how fierce both of them are, the actual event follows now) A Malayan slave ran towards us and shouted: “Lion! Lion! Down there, at the river! It’s a big, fierce lion!”

“One more reason to take shelter in the house,” continued the colonel. “Come, my friends, take the weapons! The lion is a troublesome guest.”

We closed the house’s doors; the slaves got weapons and guarded the basement. We, to welcome this guest admirably, climbed up to the gallery from which we could overlook the Ganges. An unusually big lion walked haughtily down there, not looking around as he does when he has to fight an opponent, but instead ambling slowly and thoughtfully like a philosopher, he walked there. He stopped from time to time to rest a minute, and then continued majestically his way. Under a magnificent palm, he stopped, turned around two times, and finally lay down in the shadow. This was the rest of a magnificent ruler that had nothing to fear from any adversary. He rested easily, as do those who have made no enemies.

Scarcely ten minutes had the lion lain there, when suddenly, he jumped up as though struck by lightning, roaring very deeply and scratching the ground with both hind legs, as though challenging an adversary. He lowered his head and, in a single bound, jumped at the palm’s stem to look about, to the right and left. Then he jumped down to ground to wait again, and his gaze lingered at one particular spot on the horizon.

“An enemy seems to approach,” the colonel said, “a terrible enemy, if we look at the lion’s reaction. I predict that it will be a fierce fight, and many rich people would pay a great sum to see it if they were here right now.”

“And why,” I asked, “don’t they stage some fights from time to time, if they would pay so much?”

“Because what we have here is very rare. The lion won’t fight against a human but against a fierce animal, one as strong as he himself, such as a rhinoceros, an elephant, or a tiger.”

“A tiger! It’s really a tiger!” one of us shouted pointing a finger at the dangerous beast which jumped in huge leaps towards the lion. It was breathtaking, our eyes wandered from the lion to the tiger and from the tiger to the lion. The lion still was lurking. It was a terrible spectacle and we wagered who will win. Now they stood eyeball to eyeball with each other. They’d seen each other and wouldn’t leave unless one of them was lying dead at the ground. The tiger was unbelievably huge and beautiful with his long black stripes distributed all over his yellowish body. His fearful eyes seemed to burn, his head was lowered. We stood, at the most, 200 feet away. The sun shone brightly, so we could see their every move. I don’t think I have to mention that our hearts were in our mouths. The tiger closed in on the lion, but the lion remained calm. In the latter, we could see the force of the calmness in his powerful position; in the tiger, one could believe to see the violent tension of someone who has the impudence to disrespect a close danger, one who had the will to assault it. We could see a certain twitch in his legs, but he wasn’t about to flee. Did the crouching tiger want to kill the lion? I believe it did, and I admire the royal tiger’s courage, he would rather lie down in a burning furnace than be accused of cowardice!

The lion had not moved at all, but we could see what was happening inside him by looking at his erected mane. From time to time, his countenance suggested a submissive gesture. But he, the king of animals, didn’t want to show any fear, but rather boldness, to his opponent. A duel was now inevitable. For the tiger it may be a glorious day, but for the lion it was certainly a festive day.

With one leap, they could grab, bite, tear each other; with one leap they’d jump over the space of 20 feet that separated them from each other. Then, they leaped! The crash equaled the crash of two ships in a tempest! We could hear the bones breaking under the weight of their terrible paws, we could see chunks of flesh falling to the ground. They made no sound, but their gruff moaning indicated their rage and pain. Neither showed superiority and we wondered who would win. If the lion were to think that he had overpowered the tiger, the latter could earn the victory with a single move, shattering the surprised lion.

The fight now lasted 10 minutes, and suddenly, as if they came to an agreement, both loosened their grip to gain their breath again. It was the motionlessness of the rage, but it was the calmness of the king. A few moments later, an unexpected incident which resurrected the fight took place: The tiger, which saw not only his defeat but also his death, used the moment. While his opponent was licking his wounded hind leg, he leaped 10 feet up the palm’s stem and stayed there. The lion looked around and couldn’t see his foe anymore; he roared, looked upwards, and he jumped at the tiger. But in this position it was impossible to continue the fight. They knew that only one of them would survive. The tiger jumped down and the lion followed him, but his leg caused him to shiver. A long fight wasn’t possible any more. Their claws were blunted, their jaws were tired, and they had lost much blood.

The fighters’ jaws were wedged in each other as they bit at each others’ heads; we could feel the bones crushing. Suddenly the tiger retreated, wavered and fell down. The lion seized him with his terrible paws and it seemed like he wanted to punish the defeated opponent for his resistance.

He didn’t loosen his grip, the merciless king of the forest, the feared lord of the wilderness; he tore the tiger apart, he crushed its skull. Suddenly a crocodile appeared out of the river. It seized the lion at his injured hind leg and dragged him into the water. The only remains of this fight were the dead tiger under the palm and some read streams of blood on the water surface.

Translated into English by Leofwin.
http://books.google.de/books?id=ghtE...0kampf&f=false
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You see that account^^^ its from the same German newspaper archive of same era story of this artifact...
http://www.kunstkopie.de/kunst/ferdi...e_tiger_hi.jpg
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I can or could format everything with there accounts later, but that would take heap of motion, but I kinda like it better in its own catagorie of collective artifacts, but I'll keep that in mind to maybe format them as a whole abstract and present them that way.

Anduril · #**217** 09-17-2012, 04:00 AM

I'm convinced. I cannot hold on to my cherished worldview in the face of such a deluge of cites. I give in. Lions kill more tigers than vice versa.

I did ask for more cites and they were given. I needed to pay up in terms of capitulation. I suggest everybody should do the same.

My Lord · #**218** 09-17-2012, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Anduril

I'm convinced. I cannot hold on to my cherished worldview in the face of such a deluge of cites. I give in. Lions kill more tigers than vice versa.

I did ask for more cites and they were given. I needed to pay up in terms of capitulation. I suggest everybody should do the same.

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Well, I dont want you to think any less of the tiger...the tiger is a warrior an is second to none in what he does as a predator. My goal was not to intice others into like-ing the lion more or say that a lion would always beat a tiger. lol No, I was just trying to find out the truth an get the lion back into at-least having people admit that it can go no less than 50/50 with both sides in terms of a 1 on 1.

Since the internet is flooded with properganda, false an random data more in shine-ing a light on Bias idlelizations of tigers should be superior for selfish reasons...I just felt the need to explain in an educational way that it should be...an I'd like to be recongized that 50/50 is as good as it gets.
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But I'm glad you all read threw most an enjoyed reading up on a few creditable cites. But theres still so much to learn. ^_^

Indian · #**219** 09-17-2012, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by My Lord

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Well, I dont want you to think any less of the tiger...the tiger is a warrior an is second to none in what he does as a predator. My goal was not to intice others into like-ing the lion more or say that a lion would always beat a tiger. lol No, I was just trying to find out the truth an get the lion back into at-least having people admit that it can go no less than 50/50 with both sides in terms of a 1 on 1.

Since the internet is flooded with properganda, false an random data more in shine-ing a light on Bias idlelizations of tigers should be superior for selfish reasons...I just felt the need to explain in an educational way that it should be...an I'd like to be recongized that 50/50 is as good as it gets.
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But I'm glad you all read threw most an enjoyed reading up on a few creditable cites. But theres still so much to learn. ^_^

You mean you have more cites still?

My Lord · #**220** 09-17-2012, 04:38 AM

lol Dam my fingers, an dam this no editing thingy...sorry my typos are pretty funny...I see I said.... I'd like to be recongnized...what its missing is

I'd like it<----

as in the data to be recongnized...not me...geez one missing word an it can look rather silly XD

My Lord · #**221** 09-17-2012, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian

You mean you have more cites still?

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Well I dident cover everything, so yeah, but again this dident take all that long to obtain...an I'm sure it will grow if an when I look more into it, but when I do upgrade to a better PC because this 2003 old gal is limited to many many sites that it cant process, but when I get a more compaitable computer with the latest softwares, I'm 110% confident that I can quadruple how many data I have now.
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But we'll see when it comes, then it comes. ^_^

TriPolar · #**222** 09-17-2012, 08:04 AM

We can hardly wait.

TokyoBayer · #**223** 09-17-2012, 08:52 AM

Sorry, I haven't read though the whole thread, but my brother said he heard about attack by a male lion on a tiger which occurred in NYC in the 60s. It was during a circus mishap, and while they were able to get the rest of the big cats out of the ring, the two were left in.

He told me which one had won, but I can't remember.

Have you heard about this?

My Lord · #**224** 09-17-2012, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TokyoBayer

Sorry, I haven't read though the whole thread, but my brother said he heard about attack by a male lion on a tiger which occurred in NYC in the 60s. It was during a circus mishap, and while they were able to get the rest of the big cats out of the ring, the two were left in.

He told me which one had won, but I can't remember.

Have you heard about this?

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Heres a smaller list thats in (Chronolgical order) having the dates set up like 1,2,3,4,5,6, stuff like in order, there is one on the 60's though its still in review, it was in the Korean pit-fights, alot of data is on hand about it, but in fact its the most sketchyest one of all, an I'd like more clarification on it too...but heres the list in order from most recent to oldest....
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Fugazi · #**225** 09-17-2012, 04:35 PM

This is all well and good, but I want to know... What if the tiger has time to prepare?

notfrommensa · #**226** 09-17-2012, 07:41 PM

Even Rory McIlroy is beating Tiger frequently these days.

Shagnasty · #**227** 09-17-2012, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian

My Lord has provided hundreds of citations to prove that lions have a statistical advantage over tigers. Please read through all of them and do a point to point rebuttal.

I was a skeptic, but My Lord has convinced me that lions are superior. And please note he is not against tigers.

He even challenged a renowned biologist.

Or else,

We can ask My Lord to provide some more citations, if that is going to convince you.

I will go you one better than that. Exotic cats like lions and tigers are surprisingly cheap on the internet and legal to own in most of the U.S. I think I can pick up a lion and tiger cub combo for less than $2000. I will raise them under similar conditions as siblings and then let them have a forced death match when they are grown. It is an expensive experiment considering the food costs alone but one that has to be done. Chicken and dog fighting is illegal in the U.S. but this one should be fine as long as we keep it between ourselves. I have got $1000 on my tiger (who I will name Roy). Who else is with me here?

My Lord · #**228** 09-17-2012, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Shagnasty

I will go you one better than that. Exotic cats like lions and tigers are surprisingly cheap on the internet and legal to own in most of the U.S. I think I can pick up a lion and tiger cub combo for less than $2000. I will raise them under similar conditions as siblings and then let them have a forced death match when they are grown. It is an expensive experiment considering the food costs alone but one that has to be done. Chicken and dog fighting is illegal in the U.S. but this one should be fine as long as we keep it between ourselves. I have got $1000 on my tiger (who I will name Roy). Who else is with me here?

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With all the amount of work reserves, sanqutarys an protection agentcys go threw in rescuing neglected beated an mistreated excotic animals, I think that statement you just said made you a notch 1 Asshole, if your that insecure about having a tiger lose an you want to now redeem it for some delisional reasons, then just check in your local Gym an put the gloves on with a Pro-fighter an just have them wear a lion mask an you wear a tigers mask... an see who wins, how about that tough guy.

Shagnasty · #**229** 09-17-2012, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by My Lord

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With all the amount of work reserves, sanqutarys an protection agentcys go threw in rescuing neglected beated an mistreated excotic animals, I think that statement you just said made you a notch 1 Asshole, if your that insecure about having a tiger lose an you want to now redeem it for some delisional reasons, then just check in your local Gym an put the gloves on with a Pro-fighter an just have them wear a lion mask an you wear a tigers mask... an see who wins, how about that tough guy.

I always wanted a lion and/or tiger cub to call my own but I couldn't ever mistreat an animal especially ones cute as those. I do like the idea about people wearing a lion and tiger mask though to fight this one out to settle the matter once and for all. That would make a kickass Youtube video but I am sure if that counts. What if I staged a bar fight between the two sides on Halloween? I dressed up as the cutest little tiger you ever saw when I was three. The costume doesn't fit me now but I can scale it up and be ready to take on any lion or lioness takers.

cmyk · #**230** 09-18-2012, 01:23 AM

Well, lions are assuredly superior to the tiger in a match to the death. But it seems clear to me tigers are better singers.

Alka Seltzer · #**231** 09-18-2012, 10:28 AM

The Lion's days are numbered. Presenting the world's first Liliger. Currently undefeated by Lion, Tiger, Liger, Tigon, Crocodile or Hippo. And judging by the video, even house cats hold it in awe.

My Lord · #**232** 09-19-2012, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Alka Seltzer

The Lion's days are numbered. Presenting the world's first Liliger. Currently undefeated by Lion, Tiger, Liger, Tigon, Crocodile or Hippo. And judging by the video, even house cats hold it in awe.

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Ligers are cool too ^_^

cmyk · #**233** 09-20-2012, 01:09 AM

There are more cites on lions in this thread, than there are lions on the planet.

Alka Seltzer · #**234** 09-20-2012, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by My Lord

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Ligers are cool too ^_^

You agree that Lions and Tigers should make love, not war?

the_diego · #**235** 09-20-2012, 05:03 AM

By territories won: the tiger. From the middle east to India, China, Russia, Korea, southeast Asia up to Java. It's like comparing Romans and Mongols.

TriPolar · #**236** 09-20-2012, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by the_diego

By territories won: the tiger. From the middle east to India, China, Russia, Korea, southeast Asia up to Java. It's like comparing Romans and Mongols.

You have to provide some cites about Romans fighting Mongols if you want us to accept this.

Alka Seltzer · #**237** 09-20-2012, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TriPolar

You have to provide some cites about Romans fighting Mongols if you want us to accept this.

Gladiator grossed $457 million at the box office, while Mongol only grossed $26 million. That's to say nothing of the DVD sales.

TriPolar · #**238** 09-20-2012, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Alka Seltzer

Gladiator grossed $457 million at the box office, while Mongol only grossed $26 million. That's to say nothing of the DVD sales.

One cite proves nothing.

Shagnasty · #**239** 09-20-2012, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TriPolar

One cite proves nothing.

Gladiator came in at $457,000,000. Mongol got only $26,000,000.
Gladiator - winner. Mongol - loser.
Gladiator yet again. Mongol loses by a mile.
Gladiator had many times the movie goers. Mongol bombed at the box office.
Gladiator wins the Acedamy Awards. Mongol gets the booby prize.
Gladiator came in at $457,000,000. Mongol got only $26,000,000.
Gladiator - winner. Mongol - loser.
Gladiator yet again. Mongol loses by a mile.
Gladiator had many times the movie goers. Mongol bombed at the box office.
Gladiator wins the Acedamy Awards. Mongol gets the booby prize.
Gladiator came in at $457,000,000. Mongol got only $26,000,000.
Gladiator - winner. Mongol - loser.
Gladiator yet again. Mongol loses by a mile.
Gladiator had many times the movie goers. Mongol bombed at the box office.
Gladiator wins the Acedamy Awards. Mongol gets the booby prize.
Gladiator came in at $457,000,000. Mongol got only $26,000,000.
Gladiator - winner. Mongol - loser.
Gladiator yet again. Mongol loses by a mile.
Gladiator had many times the movie goers. Mongol bombed at the box office.
Gladiator wins the Acedamy Awards. Mongol gets the booby prize.
Gladiator came in at $457,000,000. Mongol got only $26,000,000.
Gladiator - winner. Mongol - loser.
Gladiator yet again. Mongol loses by a mile.
Gladiator had many times the movie goers. Mongol bombed at the box office.
Gladiator wins the Acedamy Awards. Mongol gets the booby prize.
Gladiator came in at $457,000,000. Mongol got only $26,000,000.
Gladiator - winner. Mongol - loser.
Gladiator yet again. Mongol loses by a mile.
Gladiator had many times the movie goers. Mongol bombed at the box office.
Gladiator wins the Acedamy Awards. Mongol gets the booby prize.

the_diego · #**240** 09-20-2012, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TriPolar

You have to provide some cites about Romans fighting Mongols if you want us to accept this.

You can't compare two things from different periods anymore? How come they do in Deadliest Warrior? Well there might have been minor engagements between Mongol cavalry and Byzantine soldiers a couple of times.

RedFury · #**241** 09-20-2012, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by My Lord

Who won more in the past?
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Eh everybody, so being this was one of the biggest dual's of earth's top predator's who do you think won more in the past, the eye of the tiger, or the King of the beast the Lion?
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Please only think of these as a hypotetical situation if you voice your opinion an be respectful to other's who dont agree, an I'm searching for more of people's knowledge of past event's that way there's no parley on animal conflict's of geralizing the topic, but more of just learning of these 2 majestic beast past conflict's for educatonal purposes only.
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I'll share some for everyone who hasent any detail's on subject so far...
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{Recorded Historical Document’s of Lion’s Killing Tiger account’s}
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1.Genius books/Animal facts, Lion named Nero killed Tim the tiger in
an Australian zoo – Documentary.
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...tigeratzoo.jpg
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/arti...17?searchTerm=
2.1936 Agartala zoo in bengal, a lion kills a male tiger.
When a connecting door between two cages was left open at Agartala, Bengal, by a forgetful zoo attendant, a very large tiger charged its neighbor, a lion. The fight was ferocious, but did not last long, the lion literally tearing the tiger to pieces.”
(Local news report)
3.1935 Sikestonians saw a lion kill a siberian tiger in a local town circus
act.(Documentary)
http://newspaperarchive.com/danville-bee/1935-09-16/
4. 2 tigers died, In the the big cage tiger from a lion-(Video)
http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws....70d5e4a2_r.jpg
which clyde beatty is talking about lion’s in general… when they are intermidiate family they will gang up on other lions an or tiger’s, other than that, lion’s will not help another lion, and are exellent free for all fighter’s an all clyde beatty’s fight’s for the movie was one on one by properganda’s of the director of the movie.
5.1955 oct, 6 Naturual history society, Page 465-468, 3 separate
accounts lion won all 3.(Documentary)
6.1960 Korea pit fights Male lions won majority of all fights refferrenced by zoo keeper lee young phil.(Hidden news Report)
http://animal-tigers.blogspot.com/20...-everland.html
lee young phil statement said, there were a few tiger and lion fight’s staged an recorded, and only one that the female tigris fought the lioness was aired in the colloection of animal fight’s… with harsh wording’s of the korean narrirator saying, the lioness was no match for there symbol of power, yet it was a 50/50 fight having the tiger the one bleeding to death. Also saying they were edited an spliced in favor of the tiger, which if there were more than a few male fight’s recorded, why werent they ever shown. It is highly concluded the male lion’s won all, an the video’s were destroyed due to cultrual idlelization’s of the korean’s. Here’s the other alibi to that same fight here…
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/HA28Dg01.html
7.1981 Martin. L Albert witnessed a lion kill a siberian tiger.(Documentary)
8.1954 Lion kills tiger with one blow in Boltimore zoo.(Documentary)
9.1935 In the town Bedford, Masachusetts a zoo lost a tiger to a
lion. “A lion and a tiger battled to the death here. The lion won. When Biller Brothers Circus moved on to its next stop, it left behind the carcass of the loser, a tiger weighing a little over a quarter of a ton.”
~Guinness book of animal fact and feat
10.Gir foreset 3 tigers vs 3 lions, all lions won an lion #2 mauled the male tiger. (Video) -Youtube-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBdpiIxMnMM
11.2011 two teen lions killed a adult male Bengal tiger in an
enclosure.(Video)- Youtube-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNlRBGq3rmk
The story was one of the worker’s were on break, an went down the road to a store taking the key’s to the gate an car they usually break up minor scruffle’s with, , when two… 1.5 year old boy cub’s chased around an harrased a adult male bengal tiger, until he colapsed from exaustion,
http://i.imgur.com/rUyZN.jpg
He tried despertaly to protect himself,…
http://i.imgur.com/8zr8Q.jpg
but the two 1.5 year old brother’s showed no mercy, the tiger roared with hurendous moan’s in agony, after on looker’s shouted for the lion’s to stop shortly after one got a hold of his throat an took his life…
http://i.imgur.com/sApCb.jpg
12 King Edward the lion kill’s Dan the male tiger. (Book)
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...lionfight3.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...lionfight4.jpg
13.Calcutta zooligical garden’s a lioness kills a adult male tiger (New’s article)
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...withatiger.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...featstiger.jpg
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi...A18960323.2.25
14.Gambier bulton, brittish mengerine saw a lioness kill a tiger.(New’s article)
15.1925 Rudolf kludsky had said several lions had killed his tiger’s.Several mean’s more than 4= A few years later, Rudolf Kludsky again decided to train a mixed group (22 animals). Mistake. It took three months to get them used to each other. But they were not yet ready to perform. During one of the first shows, the nervous and inexperienced animals engaged in a free for all. One tiger was killed by a lion. Source=Tiger fan named Peter Yuku.com
1925, Rudolf Kludsky trains this mixed group of lions and tigers in the stadium or Turin. In the same year each group of species had to be separated as the lions oftentimes attacked the tiger and even killed several specimens.
http://squaresolid.tumblr.com/
16. M. Herbert’s mengerine lion kills male royal bengal tiger. (New’s article)
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/a...llstiger-1.jpg
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/arti...442?searchTerm
17.1970 pittsburgh Press lion kill’s male tiger in india.(Video)
18. Mr F.c owner of bowstock had a lion kill a male tiger before his act.
(New’s article)
19.1949 in fitchburg a lion kill’s Roger the male siberian tiger in circus act. 500 Pound Circus Lion Arrives In Fitchburg Today After Killing Huge Tiger. The incident, as related today by the trainer of "cats," who has been engaged in this daring business for 29 years or since he was nine years of age took place before the end of the act.The prince, who boasts of partial American parentage, his mother being a native of the United States and his father a Spaniard, said that the battle lasted but five or six minutes.”
Fitchburg, Mass, Friday, June 3, 1949 (New’s article)
20. 1851, In the “Landshuter Zeitung” a lion killed a tiger witnessed by local native’s of India an German Zoologist’s.
~(German new’s atricle)
http://animalsversesanimals.yuku.com...-rare-account-
21.1985 Alan gold’s circus lion kill’s male tigerAlan Gold also had a mixed group. In 1985, a free for all erupted. He lost two lions and one tiger. The lions were killed by other lions. The tiger was killed by a lion. Gold, regarding the way both cats fight, compared to Beatty. He stated lions fight in a calculated way, where as tigers, in a free for all, are nervous and vulnarable. Source=Tiger fan named Peter Yuku.com
22. Lion kills siberian tiger: in a circus act (February 1951. Detroit).
23. Lioness kills siberian tiger: Happened in a zoo (September 1951. Madras Zoological Gardens).
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1312670134
http://animalsversesanimals.yuku.com...-for-fun-.html
24. Dave hoover tiger’{s} killed by lion’s
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/a...svstigers2.jpg
25. Beatty-cole lion’s kill 2 tiger’s
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/a...daveHoover.jpg
26.Clyde beatty’s circus act Ceasar the lion kill’s bobby the tiger.
“Down sprang Caesar, determined to seize the offensive, but before he could do so, Bobby had battled his way through Caesar's paws, grabbed his mane so stubbornly that he couldn't move. For the next couple of minutes each struggled and strained for an advantage, but Bobby's hold was so tenacious that they only succeeded in twisting a little. With the cameras continuing to grind and getting nothing but a little harmless tug of war… Energy spent, the exhausted Bobby tried to roll away from Caesar, but Caesar's hold now was as firm as Bobby's which had been on his mane. Seeing this turn in affairs, I dashed into the cage. Already Caesar's jaws had crunched Bobby's neck and when I got there Caesar was shaking Bobby's limp, bloody head and throat from side to side. Bobby's eyes were turning starey. He was dead and it was only two minutes since I was keenly sorry that I had done it, but in thinking it over I became convinced that my part had been negligible. The lion is frequently the superior; he doubtless would have been the winner in this case no matter what I had done.”
27. Bavenna, OH, Lioness kills tigress
28. 2008 Cheongi the lion kills siberian tigress name Hobi jeonju zoo. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/166/748tb0.jpg/
An this is Hobi after the incident with cheongi, the not so friendly lion…
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news...117_36355.html
29. 2006 lion kill’s huge siberian white tigress in leberic and czech zoo. There was only one bite mark on Isabella’s throat an no other wound’s concluding even though 2 lion’s occupied the same encloser with isbella the tiger, only one lion attacked isabella.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat...Republic_N.htm
30. Lion kills Puna the male tiger
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...n/Image-80.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...n/Image-81.jpg
31. A lion kills a tiger in a pit fight on a palace compound of an indian maharajah prince in front of thousand’s this is not the gir fight.
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It’s on this site called tiger territory, on lairweb .com here…
http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/
32, TIGER; THE STORY OF THE INDIAN TIGER 1977 By well known Indian Zologist Kailash Sankhala. Saw four accasion’s lion’s defeated tigers in the wild.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA300_.jpg
His book was taken from his oringinal text here…
http://bks4.books.google.de/books?id...source=gbs_api
33. Jam sahib well respected of 40 year’s of zoology of lion’s and tiger’s in india has wittnessed 3 fights having all lion defeat tiger’s in his book here…
http://shared.knights.co.uk/albums/K...es/lot0706.jpg
Also in his summary, when he exploited keshari singh he point’s them out again here…
http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/a...pagetwoju9.jpg
34. 1834 diary of a literature lion defeat’s tiger.
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...featstiger.png
35. A lion kills a bear and tiger in 1 fight.
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...oks_003-25.png
37. Bob greene speak’s of an old video of local’s of india having a pit fight with a lion fighting a tiger, and the lion won, due to his mane…
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...08/books-2.png
38. The lion also is protected around the neck by the heavy mane, which is an advantage. There is one instance I remember where a full grown lion and very large tiger engaged in combat, by unforeseen chance of course. It was when the John O’ Brien Show had its winter quarters in Philadelphia and I was connected with it. “A lion and a tiger were in a compartment cage, with a partition between. In some manner this partition was battered down in the night and the two big fellow’s got together. They had probably been issuing challenges to each other and promising what they would do to one another if the chance came. When morning arrived we found the two in the lion’s cage, the tiger dead and the lion all chew and clawed to pieces, but still full of fight.”
~George Conklln, “Adventures With a Circus”
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA300_.jpg
39.Another lion kills male tiger(Fort Wayne Gazette, 1882
40. Male lion kills male tiger, The Hammond Times, 1935 ,
41.Male tiger killed by a lion (Tri-City Herald, 1956 ,
42.Adult male tiger was killed by a male lion , F. Jefferies, 1834
43. Lion kills male tiger, Fort Wayne, 1902
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NEW YORK. Nov. 2. -Tradition that the tiger is a better animal then the lion in a fight has been disproved as Sr. Nicholas Garden, where one of the biggest striped denizens of the Bengal jungles is suffering from rips and tears inflicted upon him by one of the late king of the South Africa forests. The press agent did not give this story out. Probably he would lose his job if he had, for Bostock is careful to suppress any news tending to show that his animals ever exhibit sanguinary instincts when in the arena. The two big cats in question were brought together several days ago to become familiarized with each other for purposes of a contemplated act in the show ring. The tiger walked nervously up to the lion and began rubbing his nose over the latter's haunches. A low growl was the response. But when the tiger inserted his teeth in the lion's mane, Leo uttered a roar, unmasked his ivories and crouched. The tiger retreated a few feet and then sprang high in the air, intending to come down on the lion. But Leo deftly side-stepped and when the tiger alighted he grabbed it by the head. A twisting of the teeth and a large section of the tiger's face, including one eye, was gone. The trainers and attendants now tried to separate the beasts, which for several minutes rolled over and over each other, snarling, roaring, biting and scratching. Finally they were separated. The tiger, mutilated and bleeding, cowered in a corner, while the lion was defiant in another.

FORT WAYNE MORNING JOURNAL GAZETTE, MONDAY, NOVEMBER 3, 1902.
44,lion kills male tiger Syracuse Herald, 1929
http://newspaperarchive.com/syracuse...09-15/page-84/
45.,lion kills tiger O. Breland, 1963
.A Lioness slew a male Bengal Tiger (Ward, Lock, Bowden, 1896 )
46.Animal reserve:Lion kills 2 tigers one juvi siberian tiger and 1 adult bengal tiger, an had another lion whiped 2 tigers in the same cage…

...I seen a african lion maul our adolescent male Siberian tiger to death. The adolescent was a year old. It is extremely sad that these fights are used for entertainment but at the same time I was awed to see one lion defeat two large tigers with all 3 animals in the cage at the same time.
-My teammates and I were transporting a male African Lion into a cage neighboring a Bengal Tigers cage in Kenya. There was a small opening in between the two cages for intermingling of neighboring animals. It was supposed to be closed at the time but someone forgot to close it. The lion sprang from the transportation container through the opening and mauled the tiger of similar size. We tranquilized the lion but it was too late. Two days later, the tiger died due to fatal wounds. It was a very one sided fight where the lion spent much time chasing the tiger.
http://peperonity.com/go/sites/mview...687797%28p5%29
47. lion kills male tiger
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...erinafight.jpg
48. lion kills male tiger Logansport Press, November 15., 1934
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49. "A lion slaps on the face of a tiger as they fight for the control of a pool at a zoo in Nanjing, east Chinas Jiangsu province July 18, 2004. The lion finally occupied the cool water of the pool in the summer heat wave after it defeated its challenger in two minutes."
~Peoples Daily Online
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1312670134
50. lion kills tiger ~Coventry Evening Telegraph, 25. of september 1903
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51. Thrill’s at Galore lion kills tiger
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1312674003
52. lion kills tiger "The Jungle behind Bars" by Courtney Ryley Cooper
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53. lion kills three tiger’s Source: Altoona Mirror, September 27., 1928
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/...eraccount4.jpg
54. Lion kills another tiger source: The Herald
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi...H18991223.2.87
55.lion kills tiger in Roman arena
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/a...mp/books-2.png
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/a...ooks_003-3.png
http://books.google.com/books?id=6zG...isitor&f=false
57. But to get back to the lions and tigers, apparently it is a very hard thing to put lions and tigers together. I read that scientists say that lions have the strongest forelegs of the big cats, and they have a knack to being more ferocious. Even though tigers are heavier and longer, it's ferocity that determines a winner. Lions have all the equipment of a fighter with huge forelegs, the mane, and the stocky body. Because of the mane the male lion is a poor predator. He however has a fierce desire to defend his territory. They have been known to kill or drive off rhinos. The tiger is nervous around a male lion and cat trainers have said that this has caused problems in zoos and circuses.
The same trainers have mostly said that the male lion appears to have no fear of the tiger even in a large group of tigers. The big cat trainer Clyde Beatty lost 12 tigers to lions and didn't lose a single lion. He once had a tiger and lion fighting in a live performance and tried to stop it he couldn't and the lion went on to maul the tiger to death in front of all these people. He also had a lion he called Sultan the First and he beat ever male tiger he ever faced. There are 3 films that have been made about fights between a male lion and male tiger and in all three the lion won. 'Lion-Tiger Fight', 1930's, Castle Films (16 mm) is a short documentary about a fight between a lion and a tiger which occurred during an expedition to capture some tigers in the Gir region of India (The only place where you can find lions and tigers living together).
http://arlene-wright-correll.wrytest...-The-Attic.htm
58. lion kills male tiger in pit fight
http://books.google.com/books?id=Lye...ed=0CEUQ6AEwBg
59. 1957 Frankfurt Zoological Gardens,
a free for all erupted at performance of 10 big cats 8 lions an 2 tiger’s the 2 tigers were killed by the lion’s and 2 lions were killed by the remaining 6.
Animal facts and feats: a Guinness record of the animal kingdom
60. Lost Atlantis Or the Great Deluge of All
And slew before their wond'ring sight, A wild beast conquered in the fight. A tiger
who confronting stood And from this lion sought for blood ; But in this sanguinary
strife The tiger sacrificed his life. While with flesh torn from slaughtered prey, ...
http://books.google.com/books?id=Vwz...ed=0CCkQ6AEwAQ
61. The lion mangles in his lair the tiger of the east
http://books.google.com/books?id=j8h...ed=0CCQQ6AEwAA
http://c48743.r43.cf3.rackcdn.com/Im...b4_-1_273.Jpeg
62. http://books.google.com/books?id=4IL...ed=0CDkQ6AEwAw
63. Art in the Hellenistic Age
Another mosaic in the House of the Faun , now badly damaged, showed a lion
standing over a prostrate tiger. http://books.google.com/books?id=vt9...ed=0CCMQ6AEwAA
64. The tale of Pompeii
http://books.google.com/books?id=dzt...ed=0CCkQ6AEwAQ
http://books.google.com/books?id=dzt...-1&output=html
65. LION AND TIGER FIGHT CASTLE FILM lion kills tiger
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/5/8...3364200_tp.jpg
66. Preferred Argument Structure: Grammar As Architecture for Function lion fights an kills tiger page 412 {Book}
http://books.google.com/books?id=dmA...ed=0CCoQ6AEwAQ
67. Western Reserve University bulletin, Volume 1 A lion the victor of a fight with a mangled tiger.
http://books.google.com/books?id=jKk...=0CFcQ6AEwCDgK

I disagree.

TriPolar · #**242** 09-20-2012, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by the_diego

You can't compare two things from different periods anymore? How come they do in Deadliest Warrior? Well there might have been minor engagements between Mongol cavalry and Byzantine soldiers a couple of times.

I didn't say it couldn't be done. I just wanted to see the cites. That's the way it's done here on the SDMB. You make claims, be prepared to back them up.

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Originally Posted by RedFury

I disagree.

You've put My Lord in a tough spot. I don't know what he could do to rebut your argument. It's not like he has any more cites.

My Lord · #**243** 09-20-2012, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TriPolar

I didn't say it couldn't be done. I just wanted to see the cites. That's the way it's done here on the SDMB. You make claims, be prepared to back them up.
Like how you've been backing up the tiger on here?

You've put My Lord in a tough spot. I don't know what he could do to rebut your argument. It's not like he has any more cites.

You dont say...so it ended at 67...yes? Well heres 68...
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68. Indian Rement of past conflicts of old.

The Anvár-i Suhailí;
lion kills several tigers
When the tiger was seized by the lions claw, Death<----
http://books.google.com/books?id=QBi...ed=0CC0Q6AEwAQ
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I'm curious?
Wheres your 68 accounts, to even get it out of the hole of 8/10...you do know just to get to 50/50 you have to present the exact same amount...right? So as of right now, all you are is a troll.
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Tootles Troll ^_^

My Lord · #**244** 09-21-2012, 06:46 PM

Whoa almost 12,000 geez that stickey post is going down! XD XD

cmyk · #**245** 09-22-2012, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by My Lord

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I can assure you, almost 70% of them are joined an linked with an account, here I'll show you one of there full blown abstracts they are linked with...
31’st of March, 1851, In the “Landshuter Zeitung” (“Landshut Newspaper”)

A drama at the Ganges.

I’ll tell of one of these terrible fights, one you wouldn’t see again in a hundred years, a scene of blood and death that forever will haunt my mind. […] The lion and his rival, the tiger, need air and space in great quantity. Here, and only here, are they really able to live and to rule. […] (A long description of lions and tigers and how fierce both of them are, the actual event follows now) A Malayan slave ran towards us and shouted: “Lion! Lion! Down there, at the river! It’s a big, fierce lion!”

“One more reason to take shelter in the house,” continued the colonel. “Come, my friends, take the weapons! The lion is a troublesome guest.”

We closed the house’s doors; the slaves got weapons and guarded the basement. We, to welcome this guest admirably, climbed up to the gallery from which we could overlook the Ganges. An unusually big lion walked haughtily down there, not looking around as he does when he has to fight an opponent, but instead ambling slowly and thoughtfully like a philosopher, he walked there. He stopped from time to time to rest a minute, and then continued majestically his way. Under a magnificent palm, he stopped, turned around two times, and finally lay down in the shadow. This was the rest of a magnificent ruler that had nothing to fear from any adversary. He rested easily, as do those who have made no enemies.

Scarcely ten minutes had the lion lain there, when suddenly, he jumped up as though struck by lightning, roaring very deeply and scratching the ground with both hind legs, as though challenging an adversary. He lowered his head and, in a single bound, jumped at the palm’s stem to look about, to the right and left. Then he jumped down to ground to wait again, and his gaze lingered at one particular spot on the horizon.

“An enemy seems to approach,” the colonel said, “a terrible enemy, if we look at the lion’s reaction. I predict that it will be a fierce fight, and many rich people would pay a great sum to see it if they were here right now.”

“And why,” I asked, “don’t they stage some fights from time to time, if they would pay so much?”

“Because what we have here is very rare. The lion won’t fight against a human but against a fierce animal, one as strong as he himself, such as a rhinoceros, an elephant, or a tiger.”

“A tiger! It’s really a tiger!” one of us shouted pointing a finger at the dangerous beast which jumped in huge leaps towards the lion. It was breathtaking, our eyes wandered from the lion to the tiger and from the tiger to the lion. The lion still was lurking. It was a terrible spectacle and we wagered who will win. Now they stood eyeball to eyeball with each other. They’d seen each other and wouldn’t leave unless one of them was lying dead at the ground. The tiger was unbelievably huge and beautiful with his long black stripes distributed all over his yellowish body. His fearful eyes seemed to burn, his head was lowered. We stood, at the most, 200 feet away. The sun shone brightly, so we could see their every move. I don’t think I have to mention that our hearts were in our mouths. The tiger closed in on the lion, but the lion remained calm. In the latter, we could see the force of the calmness in his powerful position; in the tiger, one could believe to see the violent tension of someone who has the impudence to disrespect a close danger, one who had the will to assault it. We could see a certain twitch in his legs, but he wasn’t about to flee. Did the crouching tiger want to kill the lion? I believe it did, and I admire the royal tiger’s courage, he would rather lie down in a burning furnace than be accused of cowardice!

The lion had not moved at all, but we could see what was happening inside him by looking at his erected mane. From time to time, his countenance suggested a submissive gesture. But he, the king of animals, didn’t want to show any fear, but rather boldness, to his opponent. A duel was now inevitable. For the tiger it may be a glorious day, but for the lion it was certainly a festive day.

With one leap, they could grab, bite, tear each other; with one leap they’d jump over the space of 20 feet that separated them from each other. Then, they leaped! The crash equaled the crash of two ships in a tempest! We could hear the bones breaking under the weight of their terrible paws, we could see chunks of flesh falling to the ground. They made no sound, but their gruff moaning indicated their rage and pain. Neither showed superiority and we wondered who would win. If the lion were to think that he had overpowered the tiger, the latter could earn the victory with a single move, shattering the surprised lion.

The fight now lasted 10 minutes, and suddenly, as if they came to an agreement, both loosened their grip to gain their breath again. It was the motionlessness of the rage, but it was the calmness of the king. A few moments later, an unexpected incident which resurrected the fight took place: The tiger, which saw not only his defeat but also his death, used the moment. While his opponent was licking his wounded hind leg, he leaped 10 feet up the palm’s stem and stayed there. The lion looked around and couldn’t see his foe anymore; he roared, looked upwards, and he jumped at the tiger. But in this position it was impossible to continue the fight. They knew that only one of them would survive. The tiger jumped down and the lion followed him, but his leg caused him to shiver. A long fight wasn’t possible any more. Their claws were blunted, their jaws were tired, and they had lost much blood.

The fighters’ jaws were wedged in each other as they bit at each others’ heads; we could feel the bones crushing. Suddenly the tiger retreated, wavered and fell down. The lion seized him with his terrible paws and it seemed like he wanted to punish the defeated opponent for his resistance.

He didn’t loosen his grip, the merciless king of the forest, the feared lord of the wilderness; he tore the tiger apart, he crushed its skull. Suddenly a crocodile appeared out of the river. It seized the lion at his injured hind leg and dragged him into the water. The only remains of this fight were the dead tiger under the palm and some read streams of blood on the water surface.

Translated into English by Leofwin.
http://books.google.de/books?id=ghtE...0kampf&f=false
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You see that account^^^ its from the same German newspaper archive of same era story of this artifact...
http://www.kunstkopie.de/kunst/ferdi...e_tiger_hi.jpg
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I can or could format everything with there accounts later, but that would take heap of motion, but I kinda like it better in its own catagorie of collective artifacts, but I'll keep that in mind to maybe format them as a whole abstract and present them that way.

I dunno, man. Still looks like they're totally mouth kissing. Perverts.

Anyhow, I have no doubt this will become a sticky in this forum due to: 1) the number of hits indicating earnest interest on this topic. 2) this topic being one of the most important issues of our times; both modern and ancient... but that goes without saying, and 3) your fastidious, in-depth analysis, on top of providing a lower-than-average (yet a decent amount) of cites of lions fighting and/or making out with tigers.

qbadger · #**246** 09-22-2012, 11:01 PM

A's the topic starter, can I JU'ST say

12,000 Views! XD

More cites coming, guys! Keep the view count up! XD XD

Spud · #**247** 09-22-2012, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by qbadger

A's the topic starter, can I JU'ST say

12,000 Views! XD

More cites coming, guys! Keep the view count up! XD XD

So, is My Lord a sock for qbadger?

My Lord · #**248** 09-23-2012, 03:10 AM

Heres another Source that says lions usually defeated tigers in the Roman Arenas..
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Decapitating ostriches with crescent-headed arrows was a favorite trick at gladiator battles. The crowds cheered and roared with laughter as the ostrich continued to run around after its head was cut off. Bears usually defeated bulls. Packs of hounds easily dispatched deers. Lions usually defeated tigers. Not even a rhino could penetrate the hide of an elephant.
http://factsanddetails.com/world.php...6&subcatid=369

My Lord · #**249** 09-23-2012, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by qbadger

A's the topic starter, can I JU'ST say

12,000 Views! XD

More cites coming, guys! Keep the view count up! XD XD

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lol You stole my thunder!

My Lord · #**250** 09-24-2012, 05:50 PM

Found a lead, it seems this person of the 1500's have had drawn animal fights an he drew a lion an tiger fighting...I'll be looking around if I can find his peice, I wonder who he drew winning?
http://www.artfact.com/auction-lot/a...1-c-be12elr3sn

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