This old flick was on yesterday-I watched some of it because I always enjoyed mob-type movies. at any rate, I understand that the movie version was pretty accurate…so I have a question:
the gang that Henry Hill belongs to is NOT a Mafia “Family”-it is an independent organization. In order to operate, it pays a percentage of its income to the local Mafia chapter.
But, as Hill finds out, it’s extremely difficult to avoid stepping on some “Made Member’s” toes- when his friend is invited to join the Mafia, they shoot him in the head (at the “coming out” ceremony.)
Was this how Henry’s cocaine distribution business got busted? Was he working on someone else’s territory?
I got the feeling that he was set up by the local Mafia-they told the police about the operation, and getting rid of Hill was obviously what they wanted.
In any case, Hill knew that he could never enlist in the regular Mob-you had to be 100% Sicilian to do so.
Tommy DeVito did a LOT more than “step on toes.” He killed Billy Batts, who was a made Mafia man. THAT’S what he was executed for.
Being “made” gave you a certain level of status and protection. I don’t think it was ever implied or suggested that Henry was busted by the cops because someone from the Mafia-side ratted, he was busted because he got sloppy after he started using too much of his product. Yes, local boss Paul was against dealing dope, but he didn’t have any role in Henry’s getting pinched. Like Henry said in the voiceover, if he had crossed Paul irreparably, he would have been taken out like Tommy, not arrested.
Those old mob bosses hate drug dealing. I never understood if it was an ethical thing or if it just made it too easy to attract law enforcement .
As they said in the movie, cocaine and drug crimes in general get you a lot of time. Which in turn promotes someone ratting out a crew to not go to jail forever. Like what Henry Hill did and exactly why.
In the Godfather at least, they mention that the cops and politicians on their payroll find it easier to turn a blind eye to “harmless” vices like gambling and prostitution.
Henry wasn’t part of an “independent” crime family. He was associated with the Lucchese Family.
The reason the mob boss did not want Henry dealing with drugs is because prosecutors were targeting drug dealers with the RICO act. Pauly could have been prosecuted for Henry’s drug dealing because Henry was under Pauly in the mafia structure regardless of any actual involvement in the drug dealing. In general the Italian mafia did not use police to arrest people they wanted gone, they just killed them. Henry knew about numerous illegal actions by Pauly and ended up testifying against Pauly and his other fellow criminals. If Pauly had found out about the drug dealing there is no way he would have gone to the police about it.
Incorrect. They acted under the wing of capo Paul Vario of the Lucchese family and were considered part of his crew which would include both made men and associates like Henry Hill and Jimmy “the Gent” Burke. That they operated semi-autonomously and paid tribute was pretty standard practice, made men or not. That’s how the mafia worked. You were expected to go out and earn and that was how you accrued influence.
Tommy DeSimone was a psychopath and he stepped on far to many toes. In particular he appears to have attempted to rape Hill’s wife who was having an affair with Paul Vario ( none of this is in the film ) and in retaliation Vario gave him up to the Gambino family for both the “Billy Batts” murder and another Gambino man Ronald “Foxy” Jerothe.
As noted in that entry on the Vario crew, the son of one of his partners got busted, which led the Feds to Hill, who then gave up his connections ( Vario and Burke most prominently ). Pretty standard working up the ladder police work.
Thanks for the reply. I was interested by your use of “pinched” for being arrested-I always thought that was a Boston expression.
It’s a myth that the old mob bosses hated drug dealing. Carlo Gambino, Joe Bonnano, etc, all made millions from narcotics. Joe Bonnano went over to Palermo in the 50s to set up an arrangement with the Sicilian Mafia to import heroin into the US. Of course, in his self-serving autobiography he trots out the usual nonsense that he never dealt in narcotics. What the bosses did insist on was that narcotic trafficking was engaged in solely under the boss’s orders. If they set up deals for themselves and were caught then they died.
As for independent gangs, many of the guys that worked with the Mafia had their own crews. Like the Westies’ deal with Paul Castellano, some of the independent gang’s profits would be kicked upstairs to the Mafia and in return the gang would be under Mafia protection in their dealings with other gangs.
Core membership of the Mafia was kept deliberately small. Sometimes the ‘books’ were kept closed for years and years with no new members created, then they would open the books and some Italian-American associates would become ‘made men’ and full Mafiosi. (Another myth was that you had to be Sicilian. About the only NY boss that stuck to that was Salvatore Maranzano in the 1920s, but when Joe Bonnano took over that family the rule didn’t last long. In general all you needed was both your parents to be of Italian ancestry. Albert Anastasia, for instance, was from Calabria and John Gotti was a Neapolitan. The Italian ancestry rule was strictly enforced, if only one parent was Italian you could never join the Mafia.)
Thanks-the Mafia bosses who ran the outlying cities (Boston, Providence RI, Buffalo) were a pretty low rent lot. Raymond Patriarca (Providence Mob Boss) was notoriously cheap-his “cover job” was running a vending machine company-which lost money. The last Boston boss to be busted was running a cheese shop.
But some of the associated gangs were terrible (the “Westies”-an Irish east Side mob-NYC) handled the contract killings for Paul Castellano-they were true psychopaths.
Patriarca’s vending machines did not lose money for two very good reasons. One, people had to pay him rent to have his machines in their businesses. It was cover for his protection racket. Two, most of them were cigarette machines selling packs he never paid taxes on. All in all much nicer than having to haul garbage for your cover.
Why did your parents have to be Italian?
Do I understand correctly that the mafia’s influence came from its ability to exert more violence than regular gangs and thereby protect other gangs? That would mean they had to be the biggest enforcer around. Yet their membership was small. How did they manage to set themselves up and continue to be the main source of violence/protection from other gangs if their membership was small?
“Membership” is just referring to made men. Presumably they had a far greater number of associates.
Bigotry :). Also having an insular in-group at one time allowed greater internal control. Remember the mafia was more or less imported from Italy and was originally a highly clannish group.
Again, it is mistake to say associates are not part of the mafia. They’re not part of the inner leadership, but Gotti was still interested in killing Tommy DeSimone not just for the killing of made man “Billy Batts”, but also ( if to a lesser extent ) for the killing of associate “Foxy” Jerothe.
If for example you go peruse the wikipedia on the Lucchese family, which Hill operated for, you’ll see they list membership at 115-140 made members and 1,100+ associates. You can still make a pretty penny and gain a lot of influence without ever being made, a la Jimmy Burke. You just were locked out of the upper hierarchy. And if you were Italian, you could eventually hope to be made one day, as nearly happened with police infiltrator “Donnie Brasco.”
Gangs like the Westies that were not part of a crew, but rather were more like independent sub-contractors, usually didn’t buck the system because they simply didn’t have the organization or numbers that the Five Families, and on a more national level The Commission, could bring to bear. The Mafia dominated organized crime for so long because they were exceptionally well-organized and remained relatively impenetrable to outsiders for decades, in part due to that Italian clannishness.
If you add up all the made men that wikipedia lists for the Five Families ( we’ll set aside how accurate they may or may not be ) you get currently 670-820 made men and 5,000+ associates. That’s a lot of potential organized muscle and there were undoubtedly more back in the day.
If I may ask broader questions:
How was the mafia well organized?
You mention being a made man and the upper hierarchy. What advantages and obligations did being a made man bring?
They had a loosely hierarchical organization, reaching all the way up to a national governing structure ( The Commission ), as well as regional structures like the Five Families and for brief time a quasi-familial enforcement arm ( The Combination ). This allowed them to apportion territory and rackets, as well as smooth feuds in a more organized fashion than any local gang. For quite a long time its national reach was unrivaled by any other criminal group.
It was still chaotic and prone to internal violence - these are career criminals after all :). But it was like the difference between say, the vicious military junta in Burma and the chaotic warlords in Somalia.
Potential advancement up the ranks ( from soldier to capo for example ) and a slightly greater degree of protection from casual murder mostly. One could run your own crew ( or sub-crew ) without it ( like Jimmy Burke ), but even Burke theoretically had to step to it in public if any made man snapped his fingers. Course with Burke you were liable to end up dead if you did ( as with Batts or Paolo LiCastri ), but he had to make damn sure he didn’t get caught.
The Chicago Outfit, arguably the single most powerful family of the Italian mafia had non-Italian made members.
Low life reprobates come from all walks of life.
Huh. He died on my birthday. (Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman were also killed on my birthday. And Gregory Peck, Medgar Evers, and Bill Blass, among others.)