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I agree with the previous posters about Stephen King, though I don't personally think his writing has changed that much, it is just that after reading a certain number of his books it becomes formulaic. I still think he is a great writer though and I continue to read him.
Jenaroph is right about the genital thing. My own complaint is King using sex as a weapon (e.g. Roland's sex with the giant spider in Dark Tower) or underage/coercive sex (the pre-teen gang bang scene in IT). Seems like he really gets his jolllies out of these. Ludlum. Just hate him now. Same story over and over. And the occupational stereotypes really grate. I con't remember which book it was, but in one the female lead was an economist and every other sentence out of her mouth had to remind us of that.... |
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He can write books that aren't embarrassing -- but apparently decided, hey, why bother when I can half-assedly author four or five of these a year? |
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Another vote for King. I havent really cared for any of his work since The Green Mile, even though I have read most everything he has written. The Dark Tower series, Under The Dome, and 11/23/63 being the ones I skipped.
Laurel Hamilton. I liked her books up to Obsidian Butterfly. After that her focus shifted to sex with the plot being an afterthoughr if that. I gave up on her Anita Blake series after what should habe been the two biggest fights of the series got just a few pages each. Dont get me wrong, I have no problem with sex in a book, but dont make it the primary story of the series when the first ten books or so barely have any. Simon Green. His last few books have seemed a bit to preachy to me. |
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Another vote for Piers Anthony and Stephen King.
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I'd read every word Ruth Rendell ever put down on paper (long pre-internet, when I searched the library and used book stores). My favorite author EVER! But she wrote a book (can't remember the name) with a bit too much S&M, and it unduly disturbed me, and I haven't caught up with anything written after that. She's good at sick and twisted - maybe too good!
I've always loved "Salem's Lot", "The Shining", and "The Stand". I've dipped into Stephen King on and off over the years, but other than these three, can't say I've enjoyed his writing since. Even he admits he wrote a few ludicrously convoluted doorstops while wacked out of his mind on coke. Last edited by salinqmind; 12-05-2012 at 08:16 AM. |
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Nice to see that I wasn't the only one who thought the Dark Tower series was "meh." People talk about this series like it's the finest bit of literature since Shakespeare, but I mostly found it boring. There were some good parts, but the first book was so dreadfully dull that it took me three tries to get through it (and I only made it because I found an audiobook). The middle ones were okay, and the last two were ugh. I think Stephen King's "ugh" period coincided with the stretch when he was recovering (physically but mostly emotionally) from his near-death hit and run accident. I feel for what he went through, but I was getting really tired of reading books about his string of various author characters recovering from trauma (and in the DT series it was literally *him*).
Lately I think he's been much better--loved "Under the Dome" and "11/22/63." |
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I thought Heinlein was a great writer... when I was a kid.
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Yeah, me too. He also went on these megalomaniacal tirades about how he knew how to control the system and it was really disturbing.
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Brown wrote "factual" novels? That's news. I'm re-reading Angels & Demons, and the DaVinci Code right now; they're rollicking good reads, but they're fiction and never claim to be anything else.
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Hmmm. I first tried Heinlein when I was about... 25? Stranger in a Strange Land. I hated it. I read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress for the first time last year, at age 38-ish, and loved it! Different strokes...
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Ditto on Laurel K. Hamilton. No plot, no character development, unless you count her vagina as a character. And it's seen way too much development, if you know what I mean.
I used to love Diana Gabaldon, but I no longer recommend the books. I loved when they were presented as a double trilogy. Now Gabaldon is content to spend 600 pages writing about 6 months of mundane comings and goings. And her plot devices are starting to repeat. Wrap up the story already! Janet Evanovich jumped the shark after about #6. She's written herself into a corner because she won't allow her main character (Stephanie Plum) to mature and grow. So she keeps regurgitating the same plot, including the love triangle, to the point where it's beyond stale. It's now moldy. One amateur reviewer suggested that her daughter is actually doing the writing now, and I wonder if there's some grain of truth in that. |
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V. C. Andrews was a guilty pleasure when I was a teenager/college student, and I still sometimes go back and reread the "Flowers in the Attic" series. After that, though, except for "My Sweet Audrina" which was a one-off, I coudn't get through any of her other series (I gave up after trying the first book of the next couple). I'm not sure exactly when Andrews died and somebody else started ghost-writing her stuff, but I could argue that the FitA series was at least a fresh idea, while every subsequent series seemed to just rehash old territory with different characters.
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...and another vote for Stephen King, who I used to greatly enjoy but for years has churned out twice as many words for less than half the effect.
Plus all the detective fiction writers who've carried on well into the post-senility phase of their heroes (i.e. Robert Parker, Robert Crais, Dick Francis (deceased, but writing from the grave via the medium of his son) and their derivatives. Give it up, fellas, and especially you fans who need to move on to fresher stuff. |
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I really enjoy Ruth Rendell, but salinqmind makes a good point.
I used to love Ben Elton's books - until the one with the graphic (oh so very graphic) fisting scene. The next book I picked up began with a graphic sex scene and I just put it to one side and haven't finished it. |
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I struggled through a few Laurel Hamilton books, but must never had made it to the "good parts" sex versions of the series, since they had neither plot, character, or sex.
I loved Neal Stephenson up through The Diamond Age, after which he drifted quickly into less entertainment and more self-congratulatory narratives. His books now feel like a PBS William F Buckley style round-table discussion. John Varley has slipped from all-time-favorite-must-reads-of-new-books-as-soon-as-they-hit-the-shelf to save-them-for-long-airplane-flights. |
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Many of his stories are considered seminal. For instance, "By His Bootstraps" and "All You Zombies" are considered THE defining time travel stories, never mind H. G. Wells. If you can find some of his books and collections in the library, check them out, especially the juveniles. Some are worth buying for your own collection. |
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Alice Hoffman lost me with The River King, all the elements were there, but it simply didn't gel and I disliked the characters. I think she's writing young adult or kids stories now. Last edited by salinqmind; 12-05-2012 at 04:49 PM. |
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I enjoyed a lot of Michael Crichton's books, but I couldn't read him after this story broke (the article title ably sums up everything that disgusts me): Global Warming Denier Michael Crichton Fictionalizes Critic as Child Rapist
It's funny, two of the frequent mentions here are Laurell K. Hamilton and Piers Anthony. I must have missed the window on them, because I picked up a novel by each of them within the last ten years, and I couldn't read beyond a few chapters. I was like, "Why do people like these again?" I'll never forgive Thomas Harris for the execrable Hannibal. It's one thing to go the Eddings or King route where you just start wearing thin, it's a whole other level to deliberately shit on your fans. |
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John Grisham ... thought his books were great legal thrillers, excellent popcorn books for the beach, but about the time I hit college the books got boring. I went back and read a couple of his earlier ones recently, and they feel like they hold up, so I'm going to go with "he's changed".
Tom Clancy+1 ... I still enjoy the original Jack Ryan books up through Bear and the Dragon. I find them a lot shallower and more repeatative now, but as a whole they're still worth a read. Basically after he sold out with "Tom Clancy's Random Novel by Someone Else", his own writing went to crap. Orson Scott Card+1 ... When his Homecoming Saga first 3 books came out, they were great books for me. After I grew up and realized they were an extremely thinly veiled rehashing of the Book of Mormon, I can't really stand it too much. Also, by the time the 4th book came out, I think his writing got significantly, significantly less coherent or interesting. |
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Another author I've stopped reading is Toni Morrison. Her early stuff is miraculous, but Paradise was just hateful. I think that's the title -- it's the one before A Mercy, which was fine, but too short. |
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The only Dan Brown novel I ever read was The DaVinci Code so I don't know if he's done this in other books, but right at the beginning of the book there's a page that claims that while the plot and characters are fictional the secret societies and rituals are real. |
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I doubt that I will ever read another Patricia Cornwell novel. I used to gobble 'em up, but at some point (I think it was midway through Predator) what had once seemed exciting suddenly seemed sick and icky.
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I'd always gotten the impression that he felt he was exposing some kind of secret in everything he wrote. I hope I'm wrong, because he writes well.
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I came in to say Patricia Cornwell too. "Oh you did NOT just kill him off!" ::flings book across room:: I'm behind on my Stephen King so I can't say how he's fared. I think the last I read was the Tom Gordon one, which I liked. It's him who has changed though because he's sober now right? I remember reading "Tommyknockers" when it came out and I'm like at the thing with the super heavy menstruation or whatever and how incoherent it was and thinking "how did this get published?! Who comes up with this?" Him admitting he was hammered the whole time he wrote that makes much sense to me now.I haven't read him in quite a while but one thing I loved about John Grisham was he was known for these taut legal thrillers (but sometimes hit & miss. "The Client" was horrible, only to be followed up by the delightful "The Rainmaker".) Then one day when Oprah's book club was in its heyday he at some point must've snorted and said "I got this." and wrote "A Painted House" which was almost a parody of Oprah's book club selections, while still being a well-written entertaining read. That's talent. |
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I had a run of adoring Tom Robbins in hi school and college. My wife even got me a first edition of Skinny Legs And All. Not so much anymore. Perhaps my mistake was watching the movie of Cowgirls.
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Stephen King - I still like most of his older stuff, but The Dark Half sucked, Insomnia and Needful Things took waaaay too long to get to the point, and after that I completely lost interest in reading anything else he wrote.
I'd say King changed, since I can still enjoy his earlier works up to and including It or so. Dean Koontz - After a while I realized he was writing the same book over and over and lost interest. Intensity was his high point imo. This one is on me. Dave Eddings - Read one series as a teen and liked it. Read another series and realized he was re-using dialogue and entire scenes. Went back and re-read some in my mid/late twenties and realized what an awful writer he was, really shallow and one dimensional characters. Forgotten Realms (multiple authors) - Like the Advanced Dungeons and Dragons, this was a pen and paper fantasy game with books written to go along with it. Again, something where I liked the colorful characters and interesting fantasy setting as a teen before I realized how crap most of the writing was. Douglas Niles in particular was pretty bad. NEVER liked Ed Greenwood though, he would easily sink to the bottom among the worst hacks. Terry Brooks - One of the first fantasy series I ever read. I remember thinking at one point "If I read the phrase 'red hair flying' ONE more times, this book is going in the garbage". Sure enough a few pages later it turned up, and into the rubbish bin it went. Sword of Shannara is a poor hack's version of LOTR. |
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[nitpicky hijack]Forgotten Realms WAS AD&D - a specific setting for the AD&D ruleset. And D&D3.X. Not sure if there's FR material for 4e or if there will be for Next.[/nitpicky hijack]
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Yeah, I've got nothin' new here:
Dean Koontz Michael Crichton John Grisham Read any more than about three of each and you'll may agree with me that all three of those guys just seem to keep writing the same shit over and over again. I can't figure out why Orson Scott Card is so awesome. I got Ender's Game because I liked the Hunger Games and wanted to read something similar -- I like dystopian novels. I couldn't get past about page ten. I was so bored and so NOT drawn into the story, I can't figure out why he's so damn popular. I gave up on the whole dystopian novel kick and discovered Terry Pratchett. I think I'm on my 8th Pratchett novel and still loving it. My goal is to read every. last. stinkin'. one. Oh, and Scott Adams. After I read that horrible "God's Debris" piece of dreck, I unsubscribed to my Dilbert newsletter and banned Adams from my life. I had no idea he was a tinfoil hat wearing kook, but I am done with him now. Hateful freak. |
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I can't believe it took so long for someone to mention Thomas Harris. His photo should be by this entry in the encyclopedia.
Red Dragon and Silence of the Lambs were fantastic. And then...wow, I don't even want to think about Hannibal. What an absolute pile of crap. |
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Thank you for mentioning these! I read the first two and have been trying to remember the titles/author's name so I could reread them. Didn't know there were others....
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I's still good with King; Koontz, who never stops showing off his admittedly admirable vocabulary, gets old quick.
I am puzzled about what the heck has happened to Anne Tyler. Used to gobble her books up. The last 2 or 3--meh. |
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90 posts in and no mention of Harlan Ellison or JD Salinger?
Neil Gaiman: When he first popped up in the late 80s, he showed limitless potential and a fresh new take on old ideas. The last thing of his I read--The Graveyard Book--showed desperate revisiting or all of those old ideas, again and again. PJ O'Rourke was great when (A) he assumed his readers didn't already agree with him and (B) recognized that "curmudgeonly" only functions with"funny." Not sure when this became a problem, but he hasn't had a really good book since All the Trouble in the World. Wait: That was the last book to repackage his old Rolling Stone pieces, right? All the subsequent ones were from The Atlantic and Weekly Standard? I think I can pinpoint this after all... |
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Yeah, Laurel K. Hamilton. I loved the first 8 books in the Anita Blake series, but then....then Anita started having sex. Lots of boring, repetitive sex. Writing bad erotic fanfic of your own characters is just weird.
And Stephen King. He hasn't been the same since he got run over. Seriously, the last books he wrote before then are the last ones I truly enjoyed. And let me add Amy Tan to the authors who write the same books over and over list. I read four books of hers. They were all the same basic story: fiercely independent Chinese-American daughter clashes with traditional Chinese mother who has a tragic secret in her past. |
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I loved Cornwell's early books, but then I started playing a game where I tried to identify the exact paragraph in the last chapter where her publisher called and said "It's going to the printer this afternoon-- finish it up in the next hour!" And all the plot devices, all the loose ends BAM! wrapped up in twenty pages. And I'm nodding my head a lot reading this thread. I, too, gave up on the first Dark Tower book, but slogged through the audiobook (thanks to Frank Muller's reading), and later gave up on Mr. King... but tried and loved "11/22/63" (esp. the audiobook: narrator had a delightful hint of Maine accent). But if an author finds a schtick that I like, and schticks with it, that's ok with me. Dick Francis is the extreme example of that. Every single book is: plucky almost-middle-age guy whose career somehow intersects with horse racing is thrust into a mystery that he's really not equipped for. And now his son is writing exactly the exact same exact book... it's uncanny... but kind of fun. |
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Also agree with above posters on Janet Evanovitch -- she should have quit after Plum book 6 -- and Laurell Hamilton, who should also have quit after Anita Blake book 6. Never cared that much for King -- even the earlier works fell apart by the endings, so I stopped following him early on, and I find Dan Brown unreadable. Though you could make a good drinking game out of his books -- take a drink every time he starts a sentince with an adverb, and you'll be plastered by the end of the first chapter. May I suggest Robert Louis Stevenson? I gobbled up Treasure Island and Kidnapped when I was a kid, but now I no longer have patience with the dialect. I think that is more a flaw in myself than in him, however. Most of the authors I've really loved, I've continued to enjoy. I'll still reread Louisa May Alcott or L.M. Montgomery when I need a break from the modern world. |
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