Being Start the Ball Rolling. Here’s the problem…if the Universe just developed in an evolutionary manner and let’s say it just happened randomly, then the thoughts of agnostics and atheists are just random thoughts and have little or no validity.
On the other hand, if there’s a logical source (for convenience called God), that started the ball rolling then the thoughts of agnostics and atheists may have some validity. Of course, my bias is towards God starting the ball rolling…
ETA: Eh, on second thought never mind.
It’s a metaphor - just roll with it.
You got it. I’ve become too predictable.
Umm, what?
That makes no sense at all.
Personally I’m essentially a heathen. Not quite atheist, because I believe there are minor sources of power (spirits, if you will) around us that can influence small things around them, if they choose to. I do not believe in an all powerful omnipotent god who monitors every little thing in this world. Nor do I believe that that same omnipotent being created this world. The Bible I feel is interesting historical fiction based on one very persuasive & captivating man. Or possibly several men.
To my mind THE biggest miracle of all is that all of this just happened. That there was no divine interference, no waving of hands or Let There Be’s. It just…evolved. And we have all this loveliness, and the horrors, just because of random pairings of chemicals, and perhaps a little help from meteoric particles.
So much to correct, and it’s only the first paragraph.
Drat. I should have looked at his posting history before replying.
I’ve just wasted my time, I daresay.
…and if the Universe just happened randomly, then the thoughts of believers are just random thoughts of deluded people and have absolutely no validity.
What’s your point?
Why? Most thoughts are not random: they are analyses of physical observations. Most of the rest are planning and abstractions about the physical world.
Let’s say that an intelligent did get the ball rolling. How would that make thoughts any more valid than an exactly similar one in which an intelligent didn’t get the ball rolling?
The OP is ridiculous. To paraphrase Gertrude Stein, there is no here here.
Or, a rolling thread gathers no intelligence.
I wonder if the OP’s dwelling on “randomness” is based on the type of Sunday School teaching I got as a tyke: If the universe is put together randomly, then there is no reason whatsoever that all our atoms couldn’t suddenly fly off in all directions! It was a stupid scare tactic used to keep youngsters from straying.
So…if agnostics and atheists are right, and the universe was an accident, and that’s what they believe, those beliefs are…invalid?
And if there is a god that created the circumstances in which agnostics and atheists disbelieve him, that’s…valid?
Does god mention anything about a train of logic that derails at the station?
I’m purely agnostic as to whether or not there is a God (whatever that means), however I still have a hard time wrapping my head around the question of “what came before” - human experience seems to demand that an effect has a cause, so what caused the “big bang” or brane collision or whatever. Even with the idea of a God, there is always the “so who made God” issue to deal with.
In short - how can we say that the univers(es) just “always were”? It defies normal human understanding.
God is a bowler. And She is a lefty, too.
Yes.
Congratulations. You’ve convinced me that it is possible for a person’s thoughts to be truly random.
Well, his name does say as much…
If they are then that is evidence that God does not exist. Do you truly believe that?
As a great woosh is felt overhead, as if the U.S.A.F. Thunderbirds just passed over at 100 ft., I’ll leave you with my signature:
I know one thing. I don’t think this thread was intelligently designed.