Re this story - (with pics)
Homeowner’s Attorney comments here
It has pics and seems like a real life story, but the actions of the social worker seems way over the top, almost to the point of straining plausibility.
Why would a child services social worker with no authority to conduct such a search try to bull her way into a private residence to purportedly check on a father’s gun safe, then turn tail and retreat when confronted.
It doesn’t seem to make any sense.
Good for him. I hope he pursues it, the worker gets disciplined, and her department adopts saner policies.
Ditto. Assholes.
That’s retarded. Children are not responsible enough to use guns.
Teaching a kid gun safety and proper use is extremely important. I started shooting a single shot .22 rifle when I was 11. I wasn’t even allowed to touch it until I memorized the gun safety rules.
I was supervised using the rifle until I was 15. I also had to take the state Hunter Safety course and pass it. I think I was 14 or 15 then? Whatever the minimum age is. Then I was allowed to go hunting with dad. He let me use his .30-.30. But, only on hunting trips with him. Otherwise it was locked up in his gun cabinet.
99 times out of 100 these stories end up having more to them. Since a child is involved, CPS usually can’t comment, while at the same time the parents have a strong incentive to put the most ridiculous spin on it as possible to make themselves seem like victims instead of child abusers.
Not totally impossible the parents were victims of a near insane social-worker, but I suspect the reality is that the anonymous tip involved something beyond the facebook photo, and it was that that the social worker was trying to investigate.
We have entered The Spin Zone.
Your only version of this is from a needle-dick posting on a forum to impress his buddies.
CPS got a complain that a child was playing with a semi-auto weapon. Probably from some friend of needle-dick who can’t stand the guy, so plays up that the guy is a ‘gun nut.’ CPS is pretty much stuck having to make that a priority because it won’t look good on the weekly report if the kid accidentally offs his neighbor or himself with an “assault rifle.”
Since there are weapons and potentially a gun nut involved, the CPS worker takes Sheriff along. Now, remember that most Sheriff at this point have been through multiple Homeland Security Trainings and are going to treat any house containing weapons like a pack of terrorists live there for their own safety. So, yes they wore vests. Would you go into an unknown situation where there were known guns without a vest?
They show up, ask about weapons and want to check that weapons are not out for a kid to play with. Wife probably shows them the safe… see, all locked, all safe. Why wouldn’t they ask to see the inside of the safe.
Do you know how many drug dealers accidentally show off their stash to cops? It is a distinctly non-zero number, so I don’t fault them for giving it a go. Also, maybe the concerned citizen that reported the child claimed they had a bazooka in there?
But, that they aggressively demanded to see the inside? I don’t buy it for a minute until there’s a video. One person’s polite is another person’s aggressive. And, remember needle-dick wants to look good to his buddies and tell them how he protected his rights and all that shit.
For all anyone knows, CPS worker did giver he name and needle-dick didn’t hear it or it doesn’t play well with his story. Either way, the visit is a matter of public record and he can get a copy of the report from the police station. So it isn’t like he can’t find out WHO it was after the fact.
CPS worker and Sheriff are not obligated to stay around to do a photo shoot with needle-dick and family. It was clearly late and they probably wanted to get back to other work.
Here’s the last "out of control CPS thread we had. In that case, a child was taken away from his parents in Norway because they were “feeding him with their hands”. As in the OP’s story, the parents claimed they were being persecuted due to a politically sensitive topic (in this case guns, in that case immigration), a river of outrage flowed forth from concerned people determined that jackbooted thugs were stripping children from their loving parents due to some bizarre political agenda. Again, the original story had no comment from the CPS.
When the CPS finally commented, it turned out the actual complaint was that the kid was “subjected to violence or had witnessed severe violence at home”, the father supported their removal and the mother may have been mentally ill.
Again, not impossible the guys telling the truth, but we’ve been through this in a lot of other threads, and it almost always turns out that there is more to the story then the original claimed “outrage” by the parent. Most CPS departments struggle to come up with the money and staff to pursue all the serious claims they receive, and so don’t have time to run after a bunch of spurious issues even if they for some reason wanted to.
I barely made it through this post due to your inexplicable love for the phrase “needle-dick.” What gives?
For what it’s worth, I regret reading it. :smack:
“Sir, you are talking to a needle-dick!”
I don’t believe he couldn’t get a photo.
Other than the fact that they no longer call themselves DFYS (it’s DCPP)none of this story rings false with me.
For the record, NJ has an assault weapons ban. Even though it looks like a scary M16 the rifle appears to in compliance with NJ law and the old federal ban.
ABC picked up the story.
http://www.13abc.com/story/21725508/click-here-to-find-out-more-share-on-facebook-share-on-twitter-share-on-gmail-share-on-linkedin-share-on-email-share-on-print-more-sharing-services0
I’d prefer seeing the 11 year old with a single shot .22 That’s what I started with. That assault weapon copy will freak out anyone that sees the kid with it.
Here’s a modern .22 with synthetic stock. Start the kid without the scope. Then let him use the scope after he gets older.
http://www.firearmsforyou.com/images/product/image.php?s=1&id=36785
Mine was a 7-shot semi-automatic Daisy .22 with a scope. Still, it looked a lot more “junior hunter” than “school shooter.” Think I was a year or two older, too.
Many people who don’t like guns seem to have a fascination with gun owner’s penises. I have no idea why.
“You own something I don’t approve of so I must broadcast to the world what a horrible person I think you are.”
Intellectually lazy, but easier than actually thinking I guess.
I’m wondering what really happened. The dad’s description of the events sound extremely exaggerated. Why wouldn’t the Social Worker identify herself? My wife has business cards with her contact information, but maybe Social Workers in New Jersey run under different rules?
Although the following link is written in a self-serving way (from a lawyer who wants clients) he is correct about the powers of the agency. I have seen their screeners bluff their way into a home but you do have the right to refuse entry without a court order.
http://www.njcases.com/folio/article/yes_the_bill_of_rights_does_apply_to_dyfs/
