I don't know what you're TRYING to do, but you're GOING to get yourself fired.

Or, the tales of two inexplicably problematic employees.

Tale the first:
I ot a promotion a short while ago that among other things means that I’m manaing 200 people rather than 20, and that I get to decide the dress code for the center. One thing I decided to do was to disregard my personal preferences and loosen up on the dress code. Under my predecessor, jeans and shorts were verboten, but I’m allowing them as long as they’re clean, neat, and whole; that means no strategic fashion rips. Short sleeves are allowed as long as there are no visible tattoos and piercings; midriffs may not be bared and skirts must reach the knee. We had a center-wide meeting in which I came to the lectern and said, “Okay, look. I’m wearing a suit and tie because I like them; this is how I feel comfortable. I want y’all to be comfortable too, so here’s the new rules” – and then rattled off the above.

Seems reasonable, right? Well, not to everyone. Because the very next morning, one of the younger account execs who’s been here about a year showed up in a stretch pants so tight that no detail of sub-waistular topography was left uncertain, along with a top that was basically a 9-inch ribbon wrapped around her bosom, a ribbon that did jack-diggly to conceal the level of erectness of her nipples. I don’t know how many tattoos this outfit revealed (because I am not an idiot), but it was certainly several. When confronted, she said she thought that I had completely repealed the dress code, not simply relaxed it.

So we sent her home to change. She came back dressed more modestly–and a few days later came to work wearing a micro-mini and a top sheer enough that no one needed X-ray vision to see that freckles were not confined to her face. Again she was sent home, this time told not to return until the next day, and given a written warning.

And TODAY she came to work wearing a football jersey as a dress. And she affected to be genuinely surprised when she got in trouble again.

Tale the second:
Today, as I was coming back from lunch, I heard a loud and profane voice in the bullpen. (The people who work there are inside sales account execs, which mean they do their work over the phone.) The voice was audible even in the elevator, which means it could certainly be heard by customers on the phone. The person was dropping fucks, shits, pisses, bitches, motherfuckers, and other such inappropriate verbiage. His team manager is on vacation, and the covering manager was, I knew, away for the afternoon, so I went to the myself and told him to cut it out immediately.

He responded with more vitriol, this time directed at me. “Who the fuck are you to tell me how to talk?” he snapped. “You’re not my boss! Who the fuck are you, anyway?”

I agreed with him that I wasn’t his boss. Since he clearly didn’t recognize me, I introduced myself as his boss’s boss. This would, I thought, get him to at least pretend to calm down. But I was wrong. He raised his voice again, saying that he didn’t care whose boss I was; he had personal business to conduct, he was on his break, and nobody could tell him how to conduct himself. At that, I told him to extend his break to the rest of the day, and further to be ready to give me a really good reason not to fire him when he comes in tomorrow.

In sum: what a pair of idiots.

Only 2 idiots out of 200? Count yourself lucky.

Or the rest will come out of the woodwork eventually. I find it’s more like 5% are idiots. Of course there’s the other percents who are foolish, incompetent, or have other issues.

Recently a coworker 15 years younger than me was promoted to be my boss. They were worried that I’d be mad. Heck no! I was happy. I’ve been the boss before and prefer to be a well paid worker bee now.

Out of curiosity - are these two below average anyway?

One of my young co-workers also used casual Friday to take the opportunity to come to work in skin-tight yoga pants and a midriff-baring top. The boss’s boss’s boss saw it, she got sent home to change, and – voila! – no more casual Friday. Thanks for ruining it for everybody, mademoiselle!

The young woman is slightly above average, saleswise, and exactly on target when it comes to her production numbers (which, to me, means that she is not a go-getter.) The young man I don’t know well; I’m going to look at his records when I calm down.

Wow, hope you wrote up #2 for insubordination. Maybe he’s a lifer who’s been given too much latitude by his boss. But I can’t imagine anyone who valued their job being anything but super-polite to my boss’s boss. I cross paths with her weekly-ish.

I didn’t see this in your post, so forgive me if you said something about it. However, you shouldn’t rely on your verbal presentation on the dress code. At minimum, distribute a nice, neutral e-mail describing the new policy’s specifics.

Fire the other guy.

With great power comes great responsibility, and some idiots.

Was your dress policy distributed in writing? Is it any different than ‘business casual’?

You handled the second guy right, his good excuse is going to be interesting.

Anyhoo, if you’re lucky these two will be the only ones to try and push the envelope, and become the examples for others on why not to do that.

I wonder if that girl was dressing that way in the morning for work, or had dressed that way when she went out the night before.

The first lady: what a moron. I might try writing up the dress code and giving her ONE more chance, but honestly, she’ll probably fuck that up too.

The second guy: HO-LEE SHIT. I wonder if he has pictures of his boss fucking a goat or something. Or is Fred Smith’s nephew (are you still at FedEx?). Fire the hell out of that guy.

I don’t know why you’d even MENTION FedEx. Are you trying to get me to unleash the bees?

Wait, you’re a woman and thus may not be assaulted. Ah well. You must love somebody with a Y chromosome. :wink:

We sent out such an email. But it doesn’t matter, as Idiot Alpha is clearly trying to start something. What, I don’t know. Except I know she’s one of those who’s said that the advice about dressing for the job youwant (i.e., if you’re angling to get a promotion to field sales, you should dress and act like a field sales person) is unfair.

That’s my impulse, but since I’m still pissed at him I’m going to control it until I’m calmer.

You’re not the boss of me!

Skald doesn’t have to change the entire dress code because of one lone idiot. He can simply tell her “We are going back to the original dress code, but that applies only to you. Yes, it’s no fair.”

Until the boss of 200 has to spend an inordinate about of time on enforcing common sense. Then the dress code comes back.

The lady sounds clueless.
The guy might be struggling through difficult personal times. He acted very poorly and disrespectfully. Give him a chance to explain. People aren’t robots and sometimes personal problems bleed into work life, especially during difficult times.

Well that ruins my theory. I assumed she was trying for a prostitute position.

I can’t wrap my head around people who don’t know how to dress for work. Probably because I’m old and I was taught better… :wink:

On one hand, I think dress codes are stupid, but on the other hand, some people are so stupid they need dress codes. How anyone could think that tight clothes and lots of skin is appropriate in an office is beyond me. I used to work in a depot that overhauled aircraft, and we had a pretty liberal dress code since it was an industrial environment - jeans were OK, but steel toed shoes were required on the fight line and in the hangar - like that.

I remember one day when I was in the hangar talking with one of the sheet metal guys. A woman who worked in the office walked thru - she was in the marked aisle where steel toed shoes weren’t required. She was wearing 5" stilettos, a very tight shiny mini-skirt, a semi-sheer, ruffly shirt with a plunging neckline, and a variety of sparkly accessories. You could follow her progress thru the building by the way work just stopped - it was hilarious. But it was absolutely the most inappropriate outfit I’d ever seen in that facility. I assumed she had a hot date right after work…

The last place I worked before I retired actually had training for new employees that dealt with their clothing. I’m pretty sure it was because we hired a LOT of kids right out of college who were academically smart but not too bright about life in an office.

First you need to clam down. When you are fully calm, you need to fire them both. The woman is going to continue to test boundaries. The man is going to get the company sued.

Really? And all the guys like her, huh? That is - that is - that is great. Uh, you mean “away,” though, right? Because, otherwise, it sounds a little different, but, uh, that’s, uh, that’s outstanding. You forgot to say “away” again. But listen, let me call you back in a bit, ok? Bye.

Nellie has blown them all away.

I’m afraid before I comment I’m going to need pictures of the young lady in question – in the skin-tight spandex and only a shirt as a dress, mandatory, but if you want to hook me up with the micro-mini and the sheer top, that would be okay too.