This editorial argues no, using (among other things) the “letting the terrorists win” style argument, wondering who else is going to fight the fight the operators want to have fought if not them, and saying that (in Groklaw’s case) the NSA’s alleged actions doesn’t change their legal position.
Obviously, these site operators can do whatever they want with their stuff, and maybe they didn’t feel like becoming martyrs, but what do you think?
We don’t know what Lavabit was asked to do, and it isn’t allowed to say; that makes it hard to judge what it was except it was probably something pretty awful. The writer says that:
Lavabit was forbidden from doing that.
Also:
Actually, I have; I don’t need to fly, and have no interest in flying under the present “security” aka harassment regime.
As stated before, I find it hard to sympathize with the fact that companies which apparently exist in order to help their customers break the law, are deciding to shut down rather than comply with federal investigations into said lawbreaking.
Cite that Groklaw meets this definition please.
Privacy is against the law now?
As pointed out above, you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
Cite, or apology, or confession to being a cheap smear artist.
:dubious:
seeking privacy = law breaking?
Groklaw’s a website dedicated to offering legal commentary on issues related to the open source community, specifically the SCO vs. IBM case, but has since expanded to discussing other topics after the verdict in that case was delivered. It’s got nothing to do with breaking the law, or helping others to break the law. It’s a place where lawyers and other interested parties meet to discuss various topics, mostly mundane.
Having said that, I’m still not sure why Groklaw is shutting down. E-mail is compromised (who knew?) therefore a site discussing legal topics related to FOSS must shut down. I don’t get the connection, especially as there’s ways of communicating anonymously that a community steeped in the ways of open source software would be able to use quite readily. I’ve read the post announcing the closure twice and it still doesn’t get any clearer, it’s just a sprawling, rambling mess bouncing from talking about a burglary, to 9/11, to how the Internet is dead.
This has nothing to do with privacy. Stealing secrets from the government, fleeing the country, and then leaking them to the press is against the law, and Lavabit existed to help people do things like that.
And Groklaw’s role in all of this is precisely? We’re all waiting to hear.
I wasn’t discussing Groklaw. As far as I can tell, they haven’t been asked to do anything and they’re shutting down just because. Apparently, the notion that the government can read things you post on a website on the internet took them completely by surprise.
Lavabit existed to help people communicate privately. Like, say, confidential emails between attorney and client.
PJ was complicit in allegations that Microsoft had done things that made the Baby Jesus cry.
I see that you chose “confession” (with a side order of abject nonsense in that first sentence).
Alas, in this case it won’t do any good for your soul.
Obviously not, since we learned from the Lavabit case that it’s illegal for them to give their side of the story.
You don’t know the meaning of the word “treason”.
Treason is the act of betraying one’s country, specifically by providing aid and comfort to its enemies. Snowden stole information from our government and made it accessible to people who can use that knowledge to better plan attacks against this country and its people in secrecy. He’s a traitor.
If you’re going to disregard the First Rule of Holes, I have a request.
When you get to China, pick up some egg foo yung for me.