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Old 05-03-2014, 06:57 AM
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I dislike Firefox 29's mandatory UI change


So Firefox 29 changes the UI in a lot of ways that in my opinion, sucks. The tabs are on top, the (useful) add-on bar is gone, the new buttons are frigging small and weird. I think they are trying to be more like Chrome, which I don't really like either.

For now I have gone back to 28 which you can download here: https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla....0/win32/en-US/

There are some add-ons that try to restore the previous look. Here are a few:
Classic theme restorer: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...themerestorer/
New Add-on bar:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...ar/?src=search
Unmerge Back & Forward Buttons:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...ns/?src=search
Tabs on Bottom:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...om/?src=search

There are also the Firefox based browsers Pale Moon and Cyber Fox, although I have not tried them.
http://www.palemoon.org/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/cyberfox/

I wish developers would stop changing good software just to have something to do. Or at least give us opt out options.
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Old 05-03-2014, 08:44 AM
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I notice some changes in appearance but, frankly, it makes no difference to me. I'm not bothered by the changes, apparently I've managed to adapt to the changes within 24 hours, and I guess I'm just not experiencing the same level of distress as others.

That said - thanks for the links on how to restore to a prior version of UI. I have had times when "improvements" weren't and I've always appreciated people trying to help others deal with the changes. I agree, too often change is just for the sake of change and it's annoying at best.

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Old 05-04-2014, 02:34 AM
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Is "mandatory" really the best term if the changes can be easily undone? It seems closer to a new default look, plus shifting some types of UI customizations from a check-box within Firefox to an add-on.

I think that's been part of Firefox's approach from the beginning: Have robust support for add-ons, so they can make all kinds of changes, and then use that to simplify the base product, to make it easier both to develop and to use. So if something can be done as an add-on, it should be (with some exceptions for very widely desired options, or stuff that just can't be done with an add-on).

The opt-out options you asked for are the very add-ons you mentioned.
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Stop living in the 90's.
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Old 05-04-2014, 03:45 AM
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Well, the OP's perspective is shared by countless others across the net (I'm still on 28) from what I've seen.

Fortunately help is at hand
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Old 05-04-2014, 04:00 AM
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Interesting. I'm with Broomstick. My work computer got updated and it's fine. I guess I don't customize much or whatever changed so drastically for people. I'm waiting for my home one to update, just to see if the couple of custom changes I made stick or if they will be in that hamburger menu. It's fine if they change to that, it's not much different.
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Old 05-04-2014, 05:48 AM
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Is "mandatory" really the best term if the changes can be easily undone?
"Easily" is not really the right description. People had to write all these add-ons, or adapt the ones already out there. Then we have to find them, apply them, adjust the options in each of them, hope none of them clash or contradict each other, and then wait until Firefox decides to restore half those options after an outcry, which would mean even more readjustment.

It can be done, partially, and with struggle and wrenching and familiarity with what's possible, but it's not "easy."

I had everything where I wanted them, where I know them, and that was after lots of swapping in and out and around of various buttons and menu bars, and I have it skinned so that it's not default Windows colours. If I was one of those who do not do those things and use Firefox out-of-the-box, then the new UI probably wouldn't bother me too much, but I take advantage of the infinitely adjustable Firefox, so it sucks when the infinity gets reduced down to not just finite but almost none without hitting it with a hammer.
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Old 05-04-2014, 08:18 AM
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Well, the OP's perspective is shared by countless others across the net (I'm still on 28) from what I've seen.

Fortunately help is at hand
Fixed Link

Also the other thread about the changes to Firefox
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Also the other thread about the changes to Firefox
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Old 05-05-2014, 10:28 AM
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This is the only one you need.

I use a vertical taskbar and a vertical tab tree, both located on the right, and find the status/addon bar useful for a few different other mods. The new UI doesn't work as efficiently with my other customizations. Classic Theme restorer corrects all that.
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Old 05-05-2014, 11:02 AM
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The changes I disliked the most were putting the page titles into the tabs instead of having a proper title bar, and lack of File, Edit, etc. pulldown menus. Luckily both can be fixed by right-clicking on the Home button and picking Customize. At the bottom is a button for Title Bar and under Show/Hide Toolbars you can turn on the menu bar.
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I am speechless at the idea that software has been changed for change's sake, resulting in customer dissatisfaction.
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Old 05-05-2014, 01:11 PM
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Is there any reason that I NEED to upgrade to 29 or can I just stay at 28?

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Old 05-05-2014, 01:14 PM
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I am speechless at the idea that software has been changed for change's sake, resulting in customer dissatisfaction.
It hasn't been changed for change's sake. Google bankrolls Mozilla, which is also why the Firefox GUI has turned into a rebranded Chrome (and now, like Chrome, changes its version numbers faster than the odometer in the International Space Station).

I reverted to Firefox 24 ESR, the extended-service release meant for institutions/companies that don't want to do major updates to a zillion machines every time Mozilla scratches its bum. Security and other fixes are kept up to date on ESR versions. It was bumped to 24.5 from 24.4 when 29 was released.

Apparently, 24 ESR will be kept up to date until Version 29 becomes Version 31, at which point 31 will be the ESR version.

24 ESR is available here. Non U.S. English versions are here.

Reverting, though, might cause problems with the Firefox Profile folder.

There's always SeaMonkey, if you can live with its limited number of extensions/addons (scroll down that page for the U.S. English version).
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Old 05-05-2014, 11:39 PM
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Is there any reason that I NEED to upgrade to 29 or can I just stay at 28?
Firefox 29 fixed a bunch of security issues. Four of them were deemed "critical", meaning "Vulnerability can be used to run attacker code and install software, requiring no user interaction beyond normal browsing."

Since Firefox is open-source, it's particularly easy for hackers to see exactly what was changed to fix each bug, and how they might exploit unupdated copies to take over those computers.
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Old 05-05-2014, 11:58 PM
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It hasn't been changed for change's sake. Google bankrolls Mozilla, which is also why the Firefox GUI has turned into a rebranded Chrome (and now, like Chrome, changes its version numbers faster than the odometer in the International Space Station).
I don't understand this. Given that they have Chrome, and seem anxious to to push it, why is it in Google's interest to keep Firefox alive, and (assuming there is some sensible answer to that) why would they want it to look and feel more rather than less similar to their own browser?
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Old 05-06-2014, 12:55 AM
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Damn, I almost fell for your set up

I went to double check again that 29 hadn't been installed on my system yet, and going to the version screen starts the update process. Fortunately many years of watching porn has given me lightning reflexes to kill a browser session.
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Old 05-06-2014, 01:58 AM
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I don't understand this. Given that they have Chrome, and seem anxious to to push it, why is it in Google's interest to keep Firefox alive, and (assuming there is some sensible answer to that) why would they want it to look and feel more rather than less similar to their own browser?
My conspiracy theory:

Google owns Mozilla in everything but name. It's forcing Firefox to look more like Chrome with every iteration so that if it pulls the financial plug on Mozilla, users by the tens or hundreds of thousands would migrate to Chrome because there will be little or nothing to relearn.

Firefox 29 has advertising "panels." Firefox running advertising was once a Mozilla heresy, the equivalent of PBS or NPR running 17 minutes of commercials every half hour, or the crapware that cannot be removed on Android devices. Google's raison d'ętre is advertising, nothing else. Now, whether it pulls its Firefox funding or not, it can more easily track Firefox users who dislike Google and won't use Chrome.

There are only four widely used browsers: Internet Explorer, Safari, Chrome and Firefox. The others fill the "Other" space in pie charts.

Bankrolling Firefox is a good defence against any monopoly or misuse-of-monopoly allegations that may arise, much as Microsoft could point to infusing millions into Apple, back when MS was battling the U.S. government over the misuse of its monopoly.

But unlike Apple, which remains distinct, Firefox's increasing resemblance to Chrome will give it a distinction without a difference — Chevrolet/Pontiac, Oldsmobile/Buick, Dodge/Plymouth differences. Smoke-and-mirrors rebadging.

With each iteration of Firefox more controls are removed in the name of "simplicity," now even newer than new and brighter than bright advertising. And with Firefox 29.0, some changes cannot be made even with its "about:config" files accessed through the URL strip and its Chrome files (not be confused with the name stolen by Google for its tracker . . . er, browser).

Google is Firefox's Borg. Resistance is futile.
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Old 05-06-2014, 07:06 AM
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There is every chance you are correct Kenm. Bother.

If so, we will have to rely on the enthusiasm and resourcefulness of the denizens of the net. All of the geeks out there who embrace open source and take joy from developing new browsers away from the mainstream.

I love FF and only hope it survives with all its myriad extensions.
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Old 05-06-2014, 08:23 AM
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I just updated, and I agree that the new UI is garbage. I used the add-ons to restore as much of the old as possible. Ugh.
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Old 05-06-2014, 10:07 AM
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I actually rather like the updated UI.

As usual, I would guess the loudest people commenting on it will be the ones who don't like it, rather than the ones who do like it or don't care.
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Two more things I don't like are the context-sensitive disappearing forward button, and the reload button that's on the other freaking side from the back button.
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or the crapware that cannot be removed on Android devices.
I feel the need to nitpick here:

Android does not natively have any "crapware" (unless you think the default apps like GMail and Chrome are "crapware." But those are capable of being uninstalled.)

All of the crap you're likely referring to is installed by manufacturers (like Samsung or LG,) and carriers (like Verizon and AT&T.)

And it's worth noting that in recent version of Android, Google has done a lot to force manufacturers to allow users to remove unwanted apps.

In addition, it's possible to get several phones that are "pure Android" and have none of this bloatware. Either a nexus phone, one of a couple Motorola versions (X and G,) or the Google Play Edition versions of flagship phones (like the S5, HTC One, etc..)
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Old 05-06-2014, 05:31 PM
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This likely is the best solution to fixing Firefox 29. It ain't perfect, and I'll stay with 24ESR (See Post 13) as long as possible.

How to Change the New Firefox using extensions.

At the bottom of the page:
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A total of some 40 minutes and 5 extensions later, you will have your old, classic Firefox interface available again, with none of the Chrome-wannabe stupidity that Mozilla is trying to force on sane people. I truly hope you find this guide very useful for your needs.

For the time being, I will keep using Firefox, because there's no real, good alternative. I do not want to use Chrome and friends, so I am waiting for a new company to rise, develop its own browser, hopefully with some promise of open-source and cross-platform concepts woven in there, and then I will ditch Firefox once and for all. I'm tired of this crap, and the way they sold their loyal userbase. Oh, the revenge of the nerds. Yup. Because Mozilla double-crossed the very people who made it so popular. But they shall pay.
I doubt it.
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Old 05-07-2014, 01:23 AM
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Reverting, though, might cause problems with the Firefox Profile folder.
Like what?

The fact that there's "only" two versions to go makes me think I might just grin and bear it until then, and then perhaps investigate the ESR.
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Like what?
Apparently the Profile folder sometimes screws up when people try to revert to older versions. There are posters at the Mozillazine BB site I've read over the years who report it happening.

It may have something to do with the random alpha-numeric code assigned the folder full of files within the Profile folder. I think the alpha-numeric code may be set up to reject reversions.

When I reverted previous versions, I quit Firefox, dragged the Profiles folder onto the desktop, started Firefox and let the application create a new folder. Then I quit Firefox again, opened the new alpha-numeric folder, trashed all the files and moved them from the old folder on the desktop to the new one. That worked.

What didn't work was simply changing the alpha-numeric's folder name to the old one's. Maybe because the old name clashed with the new name in the cache folder and anywhere else they might exist.

But I know nothing about Windows or Linux, so that trick might not work with those platforms.

That site, by the way, isn't Mozilla's. It's run by volunteers.

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Old 05-07-2014, 07:23 AM
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I actually rather like the updated UI.

As usual, I would guess the loudest people commenting on it will be the ones who don't like it, rather than the ones who do like it or don't care.
The people who don't care shouldn't matter, since they'd be just as happy if it didn't change. The only people who matter are the people who like it versus the people who don't.

I also seriously doubt that anyone who likes it actually realizes what's been removed. Is there anyone out there who actually thinks "That bottom toolbar sucked! I'm so glad I can't have one anymore, and all my icons are shoved up into the navigation toolbar." Or "It was just too easy to create a new toolbar. I'm so glad I can't do that anymore." Or even "I'm so glad my tabs are stuck on top now, and I can't go back to the old standard Windows application interface."

About the only thing they removed that people seem to actually be positive about is the ability to move the address bar, since apparently some people would do that by accident and have no idea how to fix it.

It's really shouldn't be just a contest between who likes the new UI, when it's not really just a UI change. It's fundamental shift in how Mozilla expects people to use the browser. They want to lock down a default way of doing things and require addons for even the slightest changes.

The UI doesn't just look like Chrome. Their way of doing things is more like Chrome. And the reason is that they want to try to get Chrome users back. What will people who dislike it do? Move to Chrome, which does it worse? Go back to Internet Explorer, which does the same thing? It's entirely marketing.
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Firefox 29 has advertising "panels." Firefox running advertising was once a Mozilla heresy, the equivalent of PBS or NPR running 17 minutes of commercials every half hour, or the crapware that cannot be removed on Android devices.
What does that mean? I haven't noticed any differences in the adverts I see with FF29. (I tried Googling "Firefox 29 advertising panels" - well, actually, under the circumstances, I used StartPage - and this thread was the first hit. The other hits did not seem helpful.)
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Here you go.

The "team" is putting the user first by "embracing" the best thing since the Big Bang — ads. They're so excited about it all.

The flack who wrote that dreck drowned in his own treacle.
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Here you go.

The "team" is putting the user first by "embracing" the best thing since the Big Bang — ads. They're so excited about it all.

The flack who wrote that dreck drowned in his own treacle.
How do ads relate to Firefox 29? I use AdBlock and never see ads while using the browser...

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How do ads relate to Firefox 29? I use AdBlock and never see ads while using the browser...
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Directory Tiles will instead suggest pre-packaged content for first-time users. Some of these tile placements will be from the Mozilla ecosystem, some will be popular websites in a given geographic location, and some will be sponsored content from hand-picked partners to help support Mozilla’s pursuit of our mission. The sponsored tiles will be clearly labeled as such, while still leading to content we think users will enjoy.
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Tabs haven't always been on top for Firefox? I switched to Chrome a couple years ago, but I always remember tabs being on top for Firefox when I used it. Same with Opera. Tabs on the bottom seems weird to me, so maybe it was something I changed myself.

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OK, what are Directory Tiles, and where would I see them in Firefox 29? I use FF all the time, but for time reason none of this makes any sense to me!
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They're the tiles that come up when you open a new window or tab.

The reason you haven't seen any ad content is because they're full of previously visited sites; as the link says, the "ads" would only appear when those tiles are pretty much empty.
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29 is annoying me to no end. I installed the classic theme add-on, but it doesn't give me what I really want, which is a refresh button! It adds a refresh button icon, but it doesn't WORK! No, the one all the way over in the middle of my screen at the right of the address bar is a pain in the ass to find and click.

Not all web sites are written in HTML5. This is a typical example of programmer blindness - THEY would write a web site in HTML5 so they ignore all the forums written in PHP.

If I want to see new stuff on the Dope, I have to refresh. So when I read the Dope, I'm hitting the refresh button. No, I don't want to hit F5, I want to click the mouse.

And if I wanted to use fucking Chrome, I'd use fucking Chrome! I don't like Chrome's interface, so I don't use Chrome. Again, this is programmers who want everyone to use keyboard commands for everything thinking everyone should think as they think and do as they do.

ETA: The Unmerge link in the OP worked.

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Personally, I'm using more keyboard commands with my browsing (refreshing, shutting tabs and windows, etc). I usually don't touch buttons for that stuff — I find it easier, myself, especially now that my trackpad has suddenly had a few difficulties with responding to taps. (Hopefully, that's not due to the long overdue cleaning I gave this thing.)
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Here you go.

The "team" is putting the user first by "embracing" the best thing since the Big Bang — ads. They're so excited about it all.

The flack who wrote that dreck drowned in his own treacle.
Um, OK. I agree that that is horrible, hypocritical, business-speak glurge, that goes against everything that I thought Mozilla (as a non-profit, volunteer sustained organization) was supposed to stand for. The arrogance on display there, and the hypocritical pretense that by giving corporate what they want, and by removing options, they are being "user-centric", reminds me of the arrogance I encountered from the Mozilla spokesman in the discussions over the loss of the escape key functionality (see my post in the parallel thread). If this is the way they are going, I should think coders will be leaving in droves.

However, I still do not know what they are talking about. I see no such panels, filled with advertising or otherwise, when I open Firefox, or when I open a new tab. I didn't see it before I upgraded to 29, and I don't see it now. (I see something like it in Chrome, where I regard it as one minor annoyance amongst many, but one of the least significant of them.)

Perhaps I do not see this in Firefox because of some setting I tweaked in an earlier version, so long ago that I have quite forgotten about it, but in this case (unlike with the tab position, for instance) at least 29 has not taken it upon itself to override my setting or to deny me the option.

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For those who still do not get it about the tab position: yes, tabs on top, like Chrome, has been the default option in Firefox for some time now. However, up until version 29, it has been very easy to change that option, with just a couple of clicks, and a lot of us took advantage of that easy customizability. Indeed, the customizability of Firefox (in many respects, not just this one) has for quite some time been its main advantage over Chrome. It has not altogether gone away: you can still, for instance, bring the tab bar back below the toolbar by downloading, and setting options in, an extension (provided you know about the extension and can find it, of course - thanks Big T), but this is a much more complex process, it leaves you at the mercy of volunteer extension writers, and, given the way that FF upgrades regularly break extensions, it is likely to be unreliable, and the source of more hassles in the future.

That said, after downloading a couple of extensions, after good advice from BigT in the other thread, and after a good deal of futzing with the settings in those extensions, I now have the UI for 29 pretty much how I like it. My one remaining significant problem is the lack of a throbber on the toolbar. I find the little one on the individual tabs quite inadequate. Does anyone know how I can get my proper throbber back? <Kenneth Williams>Oooh, no, you can't say that 'ere!</Kenneth Williams>
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Bumping this to report what happened to me: I have updates turned off on my Firefox 28 (Advanced, Update, Never check for updates). Sometime over the weekend Firefox updated itself to 29.0.1, despite this setting. To add insult, the setting of "Never check for updates" is retained.

Bastards.
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Crap. Like Google, Firefox isn't ol' reliable any more.
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Bumping this to report what happened to me: I have updates turned off on my Firefox 28 (Advanced, Update, Never check for updates). Sometime over the weekend Firefox updated itself to 29.0.1, despite this setting. To add insult, the setting of "Never check for updates" is retained.

Bastards.
That setting has always been far from trustworthy. I have "Never check for updates" turned on, as well, but way back when Firefox was still Netscape, I also changed or added code to prevent updates, through the about:config coding.

Years ago, though, I created a file called user.js that avoids the about:config mess (explained in the last paragraph).

user.js (no capital letters) is a plain text file a user drops into Firefox's alpha-numeric folder whose name ends with .default and is inside Firefox's Profiles folder.

I call that folder the slush pile, for short.

Quit Firefox after making sure "Never check for updates" is, indeed, checked. Don't just close all windows. Quit the program.

Create a plain text file, call it user.js and copy and paste the following three lines of code into it.

user_pref("app.update.auto", false);
user_pref("app.update.autoUpdateEnabled", false);
user_pref("app.update.enabled", false);

Firefox will never update itself again. My umpteen generations of Firefox never have.

A user.js file changes the code in the built-in prefs.js file (also in the slush-pile folder), which, in turn, changes the code in about:config.

You can open the built-in prefs.js file with a text reader (or a browser). Simply opening and reading it will not change it.

user.js-file changes are easier to keep track of, rather than remembering them separately after making the changes in about:config, especially if you have a ton of others, as I do.

Again, user.js must be a plain-text file.

If you are unfamiliar with about:config and wish to see it, type about:config in the URL strip and hit the return key, then click on "I'll be careful." You'll see the coding commands that make Firefox/the ancient Netscape/SeaMonkey/Thunderbird work.

You can't damage it by simply looking.
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Old 06-02-2014, 06:19 PM
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I started getting popups all the time. I asked here for advice and one was to get AdAware. I did and it didn't help. Now I get popups from AdAware every morning asking me to pay for permanent registration. Finally I upgraded to the latest Firefox and the popups disappeared. I don't much care for the new UI, but I can live with it.
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Old 06-17-2014, 08:32 PM
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On the basis of this thread, I have been declining Firefox's nags to update to 29, and am still running 28.

Now 30 is out. Can anyone report on it? Has it fixed any of the things people were complaining about here?

Is it worse?
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Old 06-18-2014, 01:29 AM
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On the basis of this thread, I have been declining Firefox's nags to update to 29, and am still running 28.

Now 30 is out. Can anyone report on it? Has it fixed any of the things people were complaining about here?

Is it worse?
As far as I can see, the update to 30 made very little obvious difference. It did not include significant changes to the UI the way that 29 did, and it did not break the extensions (Classic Theme Restorer, Classic Toolbar Buttons, and Throbber Restored) that I had installed to restore 29 to how I like it.

With those extensions, and a bit of rearranging of the main toolbar, I now find 29/30 quite acceptable. I don't like that I had to find, download, and configure three extensions just to get back to more-or-less where I was, but that is another matter.
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Old 06-18-2014, 02:39 AM
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However, I still do not know what they are talking about. I see no such panels, filled with advertising or otherwise, when I open Firefox, or when I open a new tab. I didn't see it before I upgraded to 29, and I don't see it now. (I see something like it in Chrome, where I regard it as one minor annoyance amongst many, but one of the least significant of them.)
As I noted in another thread, it's those panels that appear when you open a new tab. You don't see anything because those panels are filled with your previously visited sites. The ads in question only appear for those who have no history to fill those panels with.
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Old 06-19-2014, 01:25 AM
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As I noted in another thread, it's those panels that appear when you open a new tab. You don't see anything because those panels are filled with your previously visited sites. The ads in question only appear for those who have no history to fill those panels with.
Nope. I just get a blank when I open a new tab in Firefox. No previously visited sites or ads.
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Old 06-19-2014, 04:18 AM
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I feel for the OP. I used Firefox on Windows for a number of years after abandoning IE. I liked Firefox, I really did. Started noticing people at work were using Chrome. I thought I’d try it out. Everyday, one half day using Firefox, the other half using Chrome. By the second week I abandoned Firefox. On Windows, Firefox felt like this huge lumbering beast that took forever to load and with the latest release, in addition to what the OP stated, certain plug-ins/extensions wouldn’t behave. Then I had to go figure out why.

I use Chrome on everything and Chromium on Ubuntu/Linux. I even bought a Chromebook so I could spend even less time on Windows by using Gmail, Google Docs and Drive. Our company is abandoning Microsoft Exchange in favor of Gmail/Docs/Drive and word around the campfire is that we aren’t the only ones. (And I live/work in the Bay Area.) Chrome ain’t perfect but there’s a whole lotta crap I don’t have to blow cycles on anymore. There was a time I felt the same way about Firefox.

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