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Old 01-09-2015, 08:41 PM
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Wow. Good thing the Army stopped soldiers from bringing their wives and children along on special ops - his experience must have been the instigation for that policy. He can't be blamed though, how could he have known the enemy would kill to keep that body in their country?
Fair I think he said he met his wife while in country.
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Old 01-09-2015, 08:43 PM
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I'm reading the same book and I've gotten to the point of just skimming. Between his invention of 'Rex Kwon Do' and doing a fucking Sun Dance, to all of his ninja bullshit, I've pretty much just given up.
Well, at least we only paid $1.99 for this work of fiction. I am assuming you got it from Amazon in e book format too. It was on sale last week.

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Old 01-09-2015, 09:17 PM
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I've noticed, in a long career of drinking, that most everybody I've ever met that told me that they were in Nam, was either a Marine sniper, special forces, black ops guy, or CIA. I question if a lot of these folks were ever in the military at all. I've had guys that were several years younger than me, tell me that they were in the Vietnam. One guy told me that he was a door gunner during the Tet offensive in 68? I was 13 in 68, and he was 5 years younger than I. The same idiot told me that he was a seal, a marine aviator, LURP, and a few other things. When somebody tells me that they were in that war, I immediately think "Bullshit".
I can immediately think of several that were in the military at that time. My dad was an officer driving a desk and had nothing to do with the actual fighting [at that point in time he was doing logistics] and a couple of marines, both carried guns and walked a lot - though since one guy was small and skinny they stuffed him down tunnels occasionally. My dad's army buddies of the time were also all officers driving desks ... and mrAru had an uncle who was a pilot - making deliveries to Antarctica from Australia and absolutely nothing to do with the actual war zone. Basic boring duties [OK, the marines had some interesting times, but they were basic grunt types.]
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Old 01-09-2015, 09:18 PM
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It's NOT FICTION! Those bad guys totally killed his family in front of him, but then, inexplicably, left Mr. Green Beret, Ninja Death Dude alive, because there's no way that it would turn out any way other than well.

I'm pretty convinced that he's a real person whom served well and did some crazy stuff. He's still full of shit, just like that guy that cornholed Jesse Ventura, or something.

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Old 01-09-2015, 09:28 PM
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It's NOT FICTION! Those bad guys totally killed his family in front of him, but then, inexplicably, left Mr. Green Beret, Ninja Death Dude alive, because there's no way that it would turn out any way other than well.

I'm pretty convinced that he's a real person whom served well and did some crazy stuff. He's still full of shit, just like that guy that cornholed Jesse Ventura, or something.

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I call dibs on NINJA DEATH DUDE for a band name!
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Old 01-09-2015, 09:55 PM
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No, that should be your personal name; like Sting or Bono.
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Old 01-10-2015, 01:49 AM
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"his lifelong commitment to training—mine, body and spirit—"

Maybe that explains the explosive force he generated with his hands.
Spirit hands, the ever so slightly more deadly version of jazz hands.

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Old 01-10-2015, 02:51 AM
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I invented cmykwon-do, and I have an infinityith degree black belt in it. I'm giving myself the infinity-plus-one belt tomorrow once I pop my own head off and glue it back on with my own magical testosterone.

Y'know, for America and freedom and stuff.

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Old 01-10-2015, 09:07 AM
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I invented cmykwon-do, and I have an infinityith degree black belt in it. I'm giving myself the infinity-plus-one belt tomorrow once I pop my own head off and glue it back on with my own magical testosterone.

Y'know, for America and freedom and stuff.
Well, I, for one, am pulling for you!
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Old 01-10-2015, 10:38 AM
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Maybe the head on a zit.
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Old 01-10-2015, 10:43 AM
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I invented cmykwon-do, and I have an infinityith degree black belt in it. I'm giving myself the infinity-plus-one belt tomorrow once I pop my own head off and glue it back on with my own magical testosterone.

Y'know, for America and freedom and stuff.
K belt?
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Old 01-10-2015, 11:59 AM
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Old 01-10-2015, 01:08 PM
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I'm pretty convinced that he's a real person whom served well and did some crazy stuff. He's still full of shit, just like that guy that cornholed Jesse Ventura, or something.

ETA: responding to obbn.
I actually read American Sniper by Chris Kyle, and I will say most of what he wrote about reads pretty true (there was no mention of Ventura), mostly since he doesn't go on and on about how badass he is/was - he does go on about how professionally most of the soldiers he worked with acted, and that his high count was mostly due to being in the right place at the right time.

I have friends that are SOF - they next to never talk about it with most people, although they have shared with me, mostly because I don't ask about it but still have some understanding so they don't have to explain everything.

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Old 01-10-2015, 01:15 PM
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Instantly, I was back in combat. All my American Warrior Free Fighting practice got unleashed. React. React. React. No thought involved.
When I first read this sentence, I thought "Sounds like he is using this book to promote this American Free Fighting style rather than tell a factual story." Then I click on the link Army link and there he is in a martial arts outfit. And there is this line, "O'Neal currently teaches seminars on his own developed fighting style, American Warrior Free Fighting System, where he is a 10th degree black belt."

So it turns out that the American Warrior Free Fighting (AWFF) system is a martial arts style that he developed himself and goes around teaching. My guess is that he embellished his Vietnam fights in order to promote his AWFF.

It's important to note that he doesn't teach his martial arts system at the Special Forces Qualification Course, he teaches at Robin Sage, a culminating event and simulated foreigh internal defense mission. The martial arts taught at the school house is the Special Operations Combatives Program, a derivative of Matt Larsens (also a former Ranger) Modern Army Combatives Program. Before that, it was Ron DonVito's (a former Marine) L.I.N.E.S. system.

I don't doubt this guy was a really a bad ass, and I don't want to be too critical. I just think this part of his book is a combination of selfless promotion of his AWFF and the mixing up of several seperate events that actually did happen. He probably did throw a head at somebody, but not one that he just ripped off a living person. And maybe he did rip a head off a person for some reason, but maybe that guy had been dead a while. After 40 years or so, all of that craziness probably starts to blur together.
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Old 01-10-2015, 01:23 PM
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Ummm... isn't a warrant officer made by warrant because if he had a commission he'd be a commissioned officer.
Warrant Officer 1 (WO1) are officers by warrant. But the next grades, Chief Warrant Officer 2 (CW2) and beyond, are commissioned officers. We still call them warrant officers, but legally they are commissioned officers and have all the same authority of other commissioned officers such as administering oaths and such.
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Old 01-10-2015, 06:46 PM
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I've noticed, in a long career of drinking, that most everybody I've ever met that told me that they were in Nam, was either a Marine sniper, special forces, black ops guy, or CIA.
I've literally never had anyone tell me they were any of those things. I mean I have plenty of friends who were Marines and whatnot. And in my previous line of work doing corporate data forensics consulting, I met a number of people professionally who were ex CIA, ex NSA, even former Halliburton. But none of them claimed to do anything more than what we did professionally - sift through databases and email servers and perform analysis.


Also, bullshit on pulling a mans head off. Try just pulling one of your fingers off. You can't do it!
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Old 01-10-2015, 08:03 PM
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Here is his official bio on the Ranger Hall of Fame site:

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CHIEF WARRANT OFFICER

GARY L. O'NEAL

2010 Type: undefined

Chief Warrant Officer (Retired) Gary l. O’Neal is inducted into the Ranger Hall of Fame for nearly 40 years of service to his country and its allies. From Vietnam through both Gulf Wars, Chief Warrant Officer O’Neal served as a private, noncommissioned officer, Special Forces warrant officer, and special operations GS civil servant, in conventional and unconventional warfare on land, air, and sea. He has served with every branch of the US military, on every continent in the world. Ranger Gary Lee O’Neal grins wickedly, shrugs humbly, and remarks simply, “I trained hard.”
Ranger O’Neal bears scars from bullet wounds, shrapnel wounds, and bayonet-knife wounds from at least nine separate combat engagements. His service is characterized by nearly every combat qualification, multiple combat tours in Vietnam to include incursions into Laos and Cambodia, and long periods of perilous service in virtually every country of Central and South America. He has served on personal security duty for general officers in the Middle East, and also trained tens of thousands of American and foreign military personnel in every theater of the world.
His career is highlighted by Ranger-LRRP duty during Vietnam, his selection for duty with the US Army Parachute Team (Golden Knights), Department of Defense’s first Antiterrorist teams (Blue Light), and of the US Army’s first Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape (SERE) course.
His awards and decorations include the Silver Star, Legion of Merit, Bronze Star w/V device, Meritorious Service Medal, Air Medal, Army Commendation Medal w/V device, three Army Achievement Medals, Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry w/Gold Star, Combat Infantryman’s Badge, Special Forces and Ranger Tabs, Master Parachutist Badge, Master Military Freefall Badge, and Combat Diver’s Badge.
There are only about 340 total Ranger Hall of Fame inductees, so it's not something that is handed out lightly.
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Old 01-10-2015, 09:41 PM
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Also, bullshit on pulling a mans head off. Try just pulling one of your fingers off. You can't do it!
I jus_ did and now i_ is _eally ha_d _o _ype comple_e wo_ds. _hanks _o_ no_hin_, je_k!

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Old 01-10-2015, 10:43 PM
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Among firearms enthusiasts, there seem to be a huge number of people who were Marine Recon Special Operations Snipers. There are also a great many who are former Navy Seal Team Special Operations Snipers.

They are on the internet, so it must all be true
Here in Minnesota, we even had one elected Governor who was a Navy Seal before the Navy had formed Seal teams!
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Old 01-10-2015, 11:14 PM
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I jus_ did and now i_ is _eally ha_d _o _ype comple_e wo_ds. _hanks _o_ no_hin_, je_k!

S__an_e_
You know, you're pretty damn funny for a rocket scientist.

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Old 01-11-2015, 12:46 AM
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I think he is getting brownie points with the people he worked with by fucking with the outsiders.
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Old 01-11-2015, 01:21 AM
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Well, I can tell you that I also am a retired special forces commando, and I'm definitely calling BS.

When you really pull a guy's head off, there's a load popping sound; a bit like the sound you can make pulling a hooked finger out your mouth. There is also a sound, a little like a trumpet blast, at the point where the severed head cannons into something.
Finally, when an enemy soldier is truly terrified, the floor beneath them becomes momentarily friction-free, and they will just run on the spot, before finally disappearing at speed. That's the image I see every time I close my eyes

If he'd ever decapitated a guy, he'd have mentioned these things.

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Old 01-11-2015, 11:15 AM
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Didn't they used to call Vietnamese soldiers "zipper-heads"? Maybe this is why.
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Old 01-11-2015, 11:21 AM
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Well, I can tell you that I also am a retired special forces commando, and I'm definitely calling BS.

When you really pull a guy's head off, there's a load popping sound; a bit like the sound you can make pulling a hooked finger out your mouth. There is also a sound, a little like a trumpet blast, at the point where the severed head cannons into something.
Finally, when an enemy soldier is truly terrified, the floor beneath them becomes momentarily friction-free, and they will just run on the spot, before finally disappearing at speed. That's the image I see every time I close my eyes

If he'd ever decapitated a guy, he'd have mentioned these things.
I was with the Green Berets Special Unit Battalion Commando Airborne Tactics Specialist Tactics Unit Battalion (SPECUBCOMAIRTACSPECTACUNBAT). It was real hush hush. They called me Special Agent: Orange. I can tell you first hand that a head makes a sound like this when you throw it at someone.
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Old 01-11-2015, 11:24 AM
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Old 01-11-2015, 11:30 AM
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I wondered if it looked anything like this!
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Old 01-11-2015, 11:31 AM
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My experience has shown the same, but this guy is on the US Amy site, and is known to be a top Ranger and Green Beret.
I'm sure he legitimately was a very brave and accomplished soldier, but he's still lying about some of the details. You can't pull a man's head off.
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Old 01-12-2015, 10:09 AM
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Here is his official bio...
Is nine combat engagements a lot? I assume it's far more than a rank-and-file soldier will see, but it doesn't sound like very many for a special forces operator who was deployed during an actual war.
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Old 01-12-2015, 02:09 PM
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Is nine combat engagements a lot? I assume it's far more than a rank-and-file soldier will see, but it doesn't sound like very many for a special forces operator who was deployed during an actual war.
He was wounded in nine separate engagements. There is no mention of how many he had where he didn't end up with a wound. I am curious why there is no mention of any Purple Hearts though. According to that statement, he would qualify for 9 PHs.
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Old 01-12-2015, 02:46 PM
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Fair I think he said he met his wife while in country.

Are Rangers usually deployed in Latin America long enough to get married and have kids?


It is common where soldiers are deployed for long periods of time - South Korea, Germany, Japan, Turkey, places where the US has permanent bases. You'd think Rangers would deploy and then return to base once whatever operation they were doing was over.


I suppose he could have been sent as an adviser (or "adviser") to some Latin American military for an extended period of time - maybe those tours of duty would last long enough to marry and have kids.

But that just brings up the question of why a comrade's body would have to be brought back home secretly, and why an enemy would care enough about where the body was to subsequently find and kill two civilians not really connected to the operation. And why, murdering two people who were within their power, they didn't also murder the third. It doesn't help that it just sounds like action movie tropes strung together.


Perhaps something bad did happen to his wife and children, but the brief story presented in April R's link doesn't make a lot of sense.
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Old 01-12-2015, 02:58 PM
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He was wounded in nine separate engagements. There is no mention of how many he had where he didn't end up with a wound. I am curious why there is no mention of any Purple Hearts though. According to that statement, he would qualify for 9 PHs.
If you read the one I posted it says he did get nominations for several purple hearts and he ever so graciously turned them down.
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Old 01-12-2015, 04:00 PM
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Also, bullshit on pulling a mans head off. Try just pulling one of your fingers off. You can't do it!
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Old 01-13-2015, 12:42 AM
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Yeah but if the US Army posted a website about them, I'd be less inclined to say "Bullshit".

Read obbn's post #4.
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"We lost 60,000 troops, but we killed over eight million," O'Neal said. "That's almost a nine to one ratio."
Apparently he took a blow or two to the ol' melon over the years.
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Old 01-13-2015, 10:32 AM
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Apparently he took a blow or two to the ol' melon over the years.
Yeah, how did that pass the editors? Total fail all around.

Actual NVA deaths were (at max) 1,100,000, and the US lost 58,000 troops. Meaning a ratio of about 18:1.
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Old 01-13-2015, 11:19 AM
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Yeah, how did that pass the editors? Total fail all around.

Actual NVA deaths were (at max) 1,100,000, and the US lost 58,000 troops. Meaning a ratio of about 18:1.
And one would hope he doesn't even want to count the additional million plus civilian deaths in the war.
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Having check around the net, it looks like the amount of force needed to break a neck is around 700 lbs. Other sites say that hangings used to try to keep the force under 11000 lbs to avoid decapitation. I don't think there is any way a human could generate that amount of force in a fight.
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Old 01-14-2015, 08:37 PM
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Ummm... isn't a warrant officer made by warrant because if he had a commission he'd be a commissioned officer.
A commissioned warrant officer does have a commission and is a commissioned officer.

Also, a warrant, and is a warranted officer. Or at least, he/she had, and was, before being promoted. Dunno if the warrant is withdrawn when the officer is commissioned.

Commissioned Warrant Officer is a career path for very powerful Warrant Officers. They have a special title because they remain "specialists" rather than general officers.
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Old 01-15-2015, 12:55 PM
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tl;dr version - BS.

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Excellent tl;dr

I'd want to know the 'using his weight' and 'torque' that made this possible. There's a lot of stuff to tear and break before a head comes off.
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Old 01-16-2015, 03:18 AM
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Also, bullshit on pulling a mans head off. Try just pulling one of your fingers off. You can't do it!
Of course you can. It's why I don't wear a ring. Happens when your ring gets cought on a truck, or a fence, or a machine. Happens to kids when their ring gets cought on a merry-go-round.

I've never hear of an industrial accident where a mans hand is ripped off: typically, a hand does NOT come off: the machine sucks your whole lower arm in and mangles on it.

For heads, the nearest I can think of is hair: all to easy to have a chunk of your scalp ripped off.

Never heard of a head getting popped off except in band-saw accidents, and those are just old war stories machinests tell.
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Old 01-16-2015, 09:54 AM
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I am currently litigating a case where a man's hand was ripped off by a drilling rig.
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Old 01-16-2015, 01:46 PM
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Are we talking shear or tensile?

Fingers could be both, granted.

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A bit of both, I think. Hand and drill were both in a borehole. Drill/sides of borehole won.
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Old 01-18-2015, 04:23 AM
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Hulk Hogan would often use a razor to make a small tear in his shirt before the match. It's much easier to rip a shirt off your body if you are just widening an existing tear, rather than starting from scratch.

Perhaps this guy would secretly make a small cut in the enemies neck before battles so he could then rip the head off and look really strong in front of his friends?
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I'd want to know the 'using his weight' and 'torque' that made this possible. There's a lot of stuff to tear and break before a head comes off.
It reads like he held the head steady and spun the body around.
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Old 01-19-2015, 04:13 AM
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Perhaps this guy would secretly make a small cut in the enemies neck before battles so he could then rip the head off and look really strong in front of his friends?
Well it would be the same technique as they use to pull a man's beating heart out of his chest. You just have to sneak into the enemy barracks the previous night and make a small nick in the skin.
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Old 01-19-2015, 04:40 AM
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Well it would be the same technique as they use to pull a man's beating heart out of his chest. You just have to sneak into the enemy barracks the previous night and make a small nick in the skin.
Thanks you two, I snorted! Just what I need to read at 4:30am!
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Here in Minnesota, we even had one elected Governor who was a Navy Seal before the Navy had formed Seal teams!
Jesse Ventura was a member of the underwater demolitions teams that predecessed the SEALs. All members of that team were honorarily classified as SEALs.

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He was wounded in nine separate engagements. There is no mention of how many he had where he didn't end up with a wound. I am curious why there is no mention of any Purple Hearts though. According to that statement, he would qualify for 9 PHs.
One of the write ups said he declined the purple hearts.

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It reads like he held the head steady and spun the body around.
I have decapitated a chicken with my bare hands. That is exactly the technique. You hold the chicken head in one hand and the feet by the other. Then you twirl the chicken like twirling a lasso, holding the head and swinging the body around. It comes clean off, and the chicken body runs off across the yard. (Yes, that really happens.)

His description implies he was doing something of the sort, using the person's body weight and inertia to counter the twist he applied to the head. I don't think it is the kind of thing you could do by reaching out with two hands in front of you and twisting the head. However, grabbing an arm around the head and doing a full body twist like a judo throw.... It still seems unlikely.

Unfortunately, I can't seem to get any volunteers to help me test this out. Maybe I can remember this the next time I get attacked by a mugger or a home invader comes crashing in my door - I can think, "I need to test pulling a guy's head off" and try some different techniques.
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Old 01-21-2015, 10:46 AM
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I have decapitated a chicken with my bare hands. That is exactly the technique. You hold the chicken head in one hand and the feet by the other. Then you twirl the chicken like twirling a lasso, holding the head and swinging the body around. It comes clean off, and the chicken body runs off across the yard. (Yes, that really happens.)
Well, there you go. Mr. Super Soldier was undoubtedly fighting with a chicken that was wearing the uniform of an enemy combatant, hence the mistaken identity.

I'd run away too, if you threw a chicken's head at me - that voodoo's some scary stuff.
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Old 01-21-2015, 05:20 PM
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I can't think of any better way to "respect your enemy" than to rip their head off and throw it at somebody.
If I'm your enemy, you also haven't shown me much respect by ripping off my buddy's head OR by throwing it at me.

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I would think am infant head would be relatively easy to detach. This guy is claiming he took a full grown man's head off, like he was removing a twist cap off a bottle.
Not just a full grown man, but a trained enemy combatant -- with neck and shoulder muscles built up from months and months of physical training.

I wouldn't even believe Mr. Nationalism used a hidden wire to make the job easier. If I understand correctly, properly placing a wire garrotte isn't easy when surprising an unsuspecting target, much less in the middle of a multi-assailant fight to the death. It would most likely get snagged on bone.

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Tailoring the techniques to military combat, he developed what eventually became his own school, the American Warrior Free Fighting System for combat, in which he holds a 10th-degree black belt
Any time you create your own style (or steal collections of techniques from other styles and give the whole bundle a new name) you're automagically the GrandMaster of the style. And GrandMaster rank is often assumed to be 10th degree black. The stupid thing was a former student of mine who had three left feet (yeah, even clumsier than the typical klutz) decided to drop out and create his own style -- and gave himself only a 5th degree black belt.

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Chief Warrant Officer Gary O’Neal is no ordinary soldier. For nearly forty years, he has fought America’s enemies, becoming one of the greatest Warriors this nation has ever known. Part Native American, O’Neal was trained in both military combat and the ways of his native people, combining his commitment to freedom with his respect for the enemy, his technical fighting skills with his fierce warrior spirit.
Really? How did he reconcile the fact that the Great America he's grandstanding for used its military to steal every inch of ground from beneath his ancestors' feet and relegate them to wastelands (until useful metals and minerals were discovered underground)? By acting as that military's reaper against other cultures?

Even if we somehow believe his tales, he's selling a brawn-without-brains idol. That's not what we need in our populace or its leadership.

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