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Old 03-23-2016, 07:08 PM
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Trump vs Clinton debate

How low will he go? Anyone think he will bring Bill's infidelity?

Not a fan of either but if they debate I think the ratings will be through the roof...
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Old 03-23-2016, 07:18 PM
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He'll go pretty low. Bill's infidelity, Hillary's supposed affair and lesbian rumors (forgot about those, didn't you?) -- all inuendo and passive voice, of course. He's just sayin'.

Hillary will get quieter and more dispassionate as the night goes on. Her supporters will look at this as proof of her ability not to sink to Trump's level while her opponents will proclaim that she's a frosty bitch.
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Old 03-23-2016, 08:40 PM
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He'll go pretty low. Bill's infidelity, Hillary's supposed affair and lesbian rumors (forgot about those, didn't you?) -- all inuendo and passive voice, of course. He's just sayin'.
The Clintons have had a good half dozen to dozen scandals over their career. Trump could spend the entire night ignoring the issues and just running back through all the politicial and legal shenanigans that the Clintons are suspected of and he'd probably come out further ahead in the debate than if he had discussed the issues.

That he's not a politician and that most politicians are (viewed as) skeezy and corrupt is probably his biggest selling point. If he can carry that onto the big stage, he might convince some people.

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Old 03-23-2016, 09:51 PM
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He'll mention that he's more well-endowed than her. He guarantees it.
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Old 03-23-2016, 10:02 PM
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The only intelligent approach is to refuse to do debates. What purpose could they possibly serve? It'll be reality TV time for Trump and it will boost CNN et al.'s ratings, but do nothing for Hillary. They need to make him pay for his airtime anyway.
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Old 03-23-2016, 11:02 PM
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He'll mention that he's more well-endowed than her. He guarantees it.
And he would be wrong. Think great big brass ovaries. Grapefruits to grapes, no, to raisins.

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The only intelligent approach is to refuse to do debates. What purpose could they possibly serve?
Of course they serve a purpose. A president's job is mainly to keep us entertained for four years. The Democratic-Republican presidential debate is like an "America Got Talent" contest. And this one would be like Ke$ha v. The Guy Who Actually Thinks He Can Even Do Karaoke.
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He'll mention that he's more well-endowed than her. He guarantees it.
He only thinks he's well-endowed because of those short fingers.
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Old 03-24-2016, 01:05 AM
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Trump will throw everything at her, especially the fact that she's extremely scripted(something which he's already started to do since it worked against Rubio), but also bringing up all the ethical issues. Bringing up Bill's infidelity and her enabling of it isn't exactly low, since it's already been debated a ton in public. Lesbian rumors, that would be pretty low though.

I actually think Trump will get the better of her in debates simply because he's impossible to prepare for. Who does Clinton get to be Trump in the practice debates? Mr. T would work as well as anyone else. She has no idea what he's going to come at her with, and since she won't go off script her best bet will be to ignore his attacks and push her own talking points. Which won't be easy since she can't match his volume or energy.

Clinton is just the wrong candidate to put up against Trump. Biden could handle him. Sanders would at least be able to dim his populist cred. But putting Trump up against an overly scripted, ethically challenged politician is exactly what he would have asked for if he could choose his opponent. Heck, I bet that's why he ran this year instead of 2012. He probably just felt he matched up better against Clinton than Obama.
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Old 03-24-2016, 01:26 AM
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And then all she has to do is ask one question that will lock up those voters who have any sense of reality:

"Are you going to continue to attack me all night or are you going to discuss any actual, you know, issues?"
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Old 03-24-2016, 02:19 AM
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And if Trump is ready for that, he can destroy her. "Why? Are there any you haven't flip flopped on in the past few years?"
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Old 03-24-2016, 10:32 AM
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I've brought this up before. I think we should look at Romney's first debate with Obama in 2012. During that debate, Obama had been prepared to attack all of the typical conservative talking points that everyone was familiar with. Everyone thought that Romney will use that chance to talk about the things we've already heard about, to defend himself from allegations raised, scandals like the 47% comment. But what Romney did was sort of brilliant. He basically turned into Obama. Suddenly he was for all of those things, he wanted people to have health care, he loved the 47%, he's not that conservative and he'll be a great moderate president. Everyone was shocked, here was a guy blatantly lying through his teeth and everyone could see it, but he did it so forcefully that he kind of came off convincing.

You couldn't just tar him with the same old conservative schtick because now you have him on record saying all these nice things about the poor, about moderation. Many of us knew that was his game, but to others, it sounded like Romney was this perfect, moderate voice saying all of the right things. Obama was taken off his game a bit because nobody thought Romney would pivot that much.

If Trump is nominated, I'd warn Clinton's camp to watch out for that. He's done it before, first he said Fiorina had an ugly face, then he says she's beautiful. She has to prepare to attack him on his stupid wall idea and that Mexicans are rapists and anticipate that he will simply say he thinks Mexicans are great. She has to prepare to attack both crazy Trump and seemingly normal Trump
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Old 03-24-2016, 11:01 AM
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Clinton should hire Al Franken to be a Trump surrogate for debate practice, and should do it in front of a room of volunteers instructed to act like rabid, howling Trump supporters. She easily outclasses Trump in terms of knowledge, poise and intelligence. But she could still 'lose' the debates based on other factors.
Fortunately I think that she and her staff are smart enough to realize this in advance.
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Old 03-24-2016, 12:08 PM
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And if Trump is ready for that, he can destroy her. "Why? Are there any you haven't flip flopped on in the past few years?"
He is the master of evasion...
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Old 03-24-2016, 12:19 PM
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And if Trump is ready for that, he can destroy her. "Why? Are there any you haven't flip flopped on in the past few years?"
You think she won't be ready for that? C'mon, even you know how to riposte that one.

At least there is no danger of his Kennedying the audience with his youthful vigah, in contrast to her Nixonian five o'clock shadow. But look for Fox to spin it that way anyhow.
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Old 03-24-2016, 01:14 PM
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My guess is the Democrats are going to negotiate a debate that has the crap moderated out of it, and the RNC in this case is going to be happy to oblige.
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Old 03-24-2016, 09:29 PM
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The Clintons have had a good half dozen to dozen scandals over their career. Trump could spend the entire night ignoring the issues and just running back through all the politicial and legal shenanigans that the Clintons are suspected of and he'd probably come out further ahead in the debate than if he had discussed the issues.

That he's not a politician and that most politicians are (viewed as) skeezy and corrupt is probably his biggest selling point. If he can carry that onto the big stage, he might convince some people.
Trump is living proof that you don't have to be a politician to be skeezy and corrupt.
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Old 03-24-2016, 10:24 PM
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I hope Clinton attacks Trump on the wall, given that she voted for a border wall in 2006.
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Old 03-24-2016, 10:56 PM
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Clinton did pretty well during the Bengazhi all day marathon attempted stoning. You don't think she hasn't heard and responded to Trump style attacks for the past couple of decades.

I'll also toss out that we haven't seen Trump in a mana a mana debate have we? It's one thing to be a reality show star standing out from the crowd, but that isn't a one on one debate.
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Old 03-24-2016, 11:01 PM
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Benghazi didn't involve her history of flip flops. The Romneyesque character of her candidacy hasnt' even begun to be mined due to the media focus on Trump and Emailgate.
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Old 03-25-2016, 06:18 AM
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I think Trump will go to the lowest of low, I think what he said about Megan Kelly and her period shows how low he will go. If Trump attacks Hillary on stage at a debate, it will make him look even more like a bully, since he is so tall, and larger than her, I think it will work against him, especially if its about personal things.
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I hope Clinton attacks Trump on the wall, given that she voted for a border wall in 2006.
Wall or fence?
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Old 03-25-2016, 06:55 AM
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Is the issue that we're building a barrier on the border, or whether the barrier is a wall or a fence? A fence would be fine but a wall isn't cool?
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Old 03-25-2016, 07:31 AM
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Is the issue that we're building a barrier on the border, or whether the barrier is a wall or a fence? A fence would be fine but a wall isn't cool?
Yeah, who cares about accuracy or truth? I still think Our Candidate will show her strength & Your Candidate will act a fool...
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Old 03-25-2016, 08:02 AM
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Trump is living proof that you don't have to be a politician to be skeezy and corrupt.
But does being skeezy and corrupt turn one into a politician?
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Old 03-25-2016, 08:04 AM
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Yeah, who cares about accuracy or truth? I still think Our Candidate will show her strength & Your Candidate will act a fool...
That' where Clinton's weakness lies. She's flip flopped on more than any politician in history to fend off the Sanders challenge. No one is going to care about the distinction between a fence and a wall. And since she's made a strategic decision to promise Latino voters every single item on their wishlist, it's not like she supports the fence anymore either.

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Old 03-25-2016, 08:07 AM
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You're failing to take into account that "any politician in history" is a category that includes Romney.
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Old 03-25-2016, 08:29 AM
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Clinton seemingly has a history of changing her views based on what polls well, but Trump speaks out of both sides of his mouth simultaneously. He's pro-life and pro-choice. He loves Mexicans, but they're criminals and rapists. He loves China, but they're destroying our economy. He favors universal health care but will undo the ACA... He needs to be really careful if he's going to try to paint her as a flip-flopper.

On the other hand, she just has to point out that his big proposals are even more unrealistic than Bernie Sanders'. We can't afford the $25-30 billion dollar wall he is proposing. He can't make Mexico pay for it. Even under his direct order, the military is not going to start dropping bombs on terrorists' families. His suggestions a that we expand our use of torture but restrict free speech by the press are going to appall voters who haven't yet been paying attention to what he's saying.

I really, strongly dislike Clinton. But she's a decent debater and will make him look silly. His best move would be to refuse to debate her at all, just like he decided to skip some of the primary debates. He's got nothing to win.
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Old 03-25-2016, 08:38 AM
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She's flip flopped on more than any politician in history to fend off the Sanders challenge.
You haven't been listening to the Hamilton soundtrack, have you? Its really hard to beat Aaron Burr for flip flopping (plus getting accused of treason, and killing the former Secretary of the Treasury.)
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Old 03-25-2016, 02:33 PM
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A debate with these two will be the ultimate in what the DoD calls "asymmetric warfare." IOW, exactly what works best for one side fails miserably for the other. Which essentially means that the side which determines the ground they fight on determines who wins.

Had Hillary been an R, she'd have been Fiorina'ed in the early R debates. Her policy-centric message would have been lost in the laugh track of the others' frat-boy repartee. (I originally typo-ed that as "fart-boy", and almost left it; it works good either way )

Had Trump been a D and participated in the Clinton / Sanders debates he would have been tongue-tied. Unless he was able to wrest the mike away from the mods and turn it into an ego contest. Which I think he would have.

My bottom line: No matter how it actually goes, the Trump fans will see their champ winning hands down. And the Clinton fans will decry Trump's absolute lack of policy meat as proof of his abject loss.

TV is a mostly emotional medium. Trump plays an emotional role. Clinton plays an intellectual role.

When each side as their own scorecard there will be no objective way to decide who "won". But IMO most of the noise will be about Trump continuing his brash bullying way unstoppably towards the White House.

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Old 03-25-2016, 08:13 PM
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I wonder whether Trump will try attacking Clinton from the left on economic issues.
Look, nobody has done more to raise wages than me. I built a casino in Atlantic City and I paid the workers there an excellent wage. Now Hillary over here, she's only promising to raise the minimum wage to ten dollars an hour. Well that's a minimum wage for losers! When I'm President, we're going to have the most big, beautiful minimum wage that the world has ever seen. We're going to take the minimum wage to twenty-five dollars an hour. And we're going to give every worker a free pony.
And what has Hillary ever done to help labor unions? Nothing, that's what! She was First Lady, she was a Senator, she was Secretary of State, and in all that time, unions just kept getting smaller and smaller. But I love labor unions, and unions love me. And When I'm President, I'm going to appoint a whole bunch of excellent people to the Department of Labor and we're going to make unions great again!
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How about Trump promising to mail every American a check for, oh, say, $1,000? Maybe he's holding off on that kind of legalized bribery, in the primaries, so it can be an October surprise.

The honest, and unpopular, response would be that this is bad economic policy during an expansion.

I'm reading a biography of Huey Long, often considered another demagogue, who was assassinated before he could go far in running against FDR. A famous Long quote:

http://www.bloggingthebookshelf.com/...ly-i-can-take/

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I can outpromise him, and he knows it. People will believe me and they won’t believe him. His mother’s watchin’ him, and she won’t let him go too far . . .
Between Bill, and Hillary's not entirely missing conscience, Trump can outpromise her. I think she'll win anyway, but it's a problem.

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Anyone think he will bring Bill's infidelity?
Trump has already gone there, in a vague way.

I'm really wondering whether Trump will bring up Juanita Broaddrick's allegations at some point. If he set it up correctly, he might be able to put Hillary in a bind of sorts, as she would have to say that Broaddrick's allegations are lies, though many of her allies have been pushing the idea that all women who make rape accusations have a right to be believed. Some sources are already noting the tension, but if Trump were to bring it up in a debate, everyone would be talking about it.
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Between Bill, and Hillary's not entirely missing conscience, Trump can outpromise her. I think she'll win anyway, but it's a problem.
The thing is that Trump has already plainly gone back on his word so much that no one but the sheeple will buy that he'd keep it, whatever he promises.

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Trump can go after her all she wants - it will only backfire. Winning a debate in the eyes of bitter middle-aged and bigoted white males is one thing; winning a cross-section of the American electorate, which is required to win a general election, is quite another. That's what Trump's loyalists don't understand now, but what his detractors in his own party know all too well, and that's why they're terrified if he makes it to the 1237 delegate mark.

For the record I'm not saying that all of Trump supporters are bigoted or mean-spirited but it does seem to be a dark energy that's driving his campaign. You could probably point out dark forces behind a lot of campaigns. I'm not trying to ruffle feathers, but I do think that if Trump wins the nomination (and I'm not even so sure of that right now), his tactics will not work at all.

Being nasty would backfire. If, on the other hand, surprises everybody and starts sounding a little nicer and more gentlemanly, that might actually attract some of Clinton's supporters. And then - and only then - could he hammer away at her voting record on things like NAFTA. But his negatives with female voters are at near historic lows in modern times. He will have to rehab his image a lot. And that's saying nothing of his comments toward Hispanics and Muslims, and the footage of his campaign and supporters roughing up black protesters.
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And how do you think women will react to attacks on Clinton? I just read in the Times that only 50% of women who identify as Republicans can imagine voting for him. My guess is that some will sit it out and others will support Clinton. How can he win an election that way?
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And how do you think women will react to attacks on Clinton?
Ah. I had not thought of that. Some may be drawn to vote for her.
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He'll mention that he's more well-endowed than her. He guarantees it.
And the 2016 Presidential race turns into a dick measuring contest...
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"It's YUUUUUUUGE!"

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I hope Clinton attacks Trump on the wall, given that she voted for a border wall in 2006.
Dude, you do remember that you've said both that you are pro-Clinton and anti-Trump, right? Sure, she's not your favorite, but she's the closest to what you want, right?
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Clinton's going to beat Trump regardless, but I sure wouldn't mind her getting exposed for the craven politician she is. There are still some people in the world who actually think she's honest and principled and that it's all a right wing conspiracy to discredit her. These people intellectually belong more in Trump's camp than Clinton's.
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I actually think Trump will get the better of her in debates simply because he's impossible to prepare for. Who does Clinton get to be Trump in the practice debates?
What's R. Lee Ermey up to these days?
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I think Hilary wouldn't get a word in edgeways.
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Old 04-09-2016, 08:32 PM
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I hope Clinton attacks Trump on the wall, given that she voted for a border wall in 2006.
She has already explained her position in one of the debates with Sanders. It is not like Clinton believes that people should just be able to walk across the U.S. - Mexican border freely with no security: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...on_reform.html

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"We have a secure border," she urged. "There's no need for this rhetoric and demagoguery that still is carried out on the Republican side. You've run out of excuses. Let's move to comprehensive immigration reform with a path to citizenship."

Faced with a followup, she repeated that while her "fence" was very effective, Trump's "wall" is a "fantasy."

"The most beautiful tall wall, better than the Great Wall of China, that will run the whole border, that he would somehow magically get the Mexican government to pay for. You know, it is just fantasy... If [Donald Trump] cared to know anything about what the members of Congress, like [Sen. Sanders] and I have done... Where it was neccesary we did support some fencing," she explained.

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Old 04-15-2016, 10:18 AM
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It'll be interesting. . . I'm sure he'll call her a liar; the only question is "How many times?"

And think the biggest unknown is how Hillary will respond to Trump. That's really the wild card. She'll want to appear strong without "sinking to his level."
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