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Old 01-18-2017, 06:42 PM
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Did Alex screw up Final Jeopardy today?

I forgot the exact answer, but it was basically "This current state capital was the site of something that happened in 1787." However, I heard it as Alex saying "This current state's capital...". I read it correctly on screen so I guessed the correct answer. I will spoiler what happened for those who want to stay surprised.
SPOILER:
Each contestant answered incorrectly, with the first two providing the ludicrous answers of 'Massachusetts' and 'New York'. That tells me they heard it wrong as well. The third answered 'Annapolis', which tells me that he read it on a screen, while the others didn't.
. I wish I still had DVR.
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Old 01-18-2017, 06:46 PM
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Forgot to give the actual answer for those who won't watch:
SPOILER:
Dover
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Old 01-18-2017, 06:59 PM
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I misheard it as "...in what's now this state's capital" too, but when I replayed it, Alex said it correctly.
I thought they were looking for a state too.
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Old 01-18-2017, 07:12 PM
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What kind of dumbass question (answer) is that? If the city existed at all in 1787, surely stuff happened there.



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Old 01-18-2017, 10:19 PM
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I wish I still had DVR.
I TiVo Jeopardy. I just listened to it twice and he enunciated "state" very clearly. This was the Answer:

SPOILER:
On Dec. 7, 1787 30 delegates at Battell's Tavern gathered & made history in what's now this state capital
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Old 01-19-2017, 07:56 AM
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Thanks. Then I don't know what the first 2 contestants were thinking.
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Old 01-19-2017, 08:02 AM
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I'm sure there are people who listen to make sure Alex doesn't screw up. If he did make a mistake, they would stop the taping and substitute a new question.
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Old 01-19-2017, 09:12 AM
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If somebody hadn't been sure what the question was asking for, would "What is Dover, Delaware?" have been an acceptable answer? It includes the city and the state.

Or does an answer get disqualified if it includes extraneous information?
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Old 01-19-2017, 09:25 AM
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That would have been fine. The clue is looking for the city, and "Dover, Delaware" is it. Responses can be disqualified if they are too vague. ("Who is Roosevelt?" when looking for a President, for example) but not too specific.
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Old 01-19-2017, 09:40 AM
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Or does an answer get disqualified if it includes extraneous information?
It could, if that extraneous information is wrong. Like friedo says, you'd (usually) have to be more specific than "Roosevelt" when answering about a president - usually Alex will say something like "which one?" or "be more specific" - but normally last name alone will be fine. In fact, this is the strategy most Jeopardy contestants use, and typically omit the first name to prevent tripping themselves up by, for example, accidentally answering "George Clinton" when Trebek was looking for "Bill Clinton".
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Old 01-19-2017, 09:58 AM
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I will say I was just listening, not watching, and it sounded like "this state's capital" to me as well.
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Old 01-19-2017, 10:06 AM
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That would have been fine. The clue is looking for the city, and "Dover, Delaware" is it. Responses can be disqualified if they are too vague. ("Who is Roosevelt?" when looking for a President, for example) but not too specific.
Would it have worked the other way? Suppose the answer was supposed to be a state. If the answer had been "This is the fiftieth state." would "What is Honolulu, Hawaii?" be an acceptable answer?
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Old 01-19-2017, 10:08 AM
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It could, if that extraneous information is wrong.
Here's a case when this almost happened.
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Old 01-19-2017, 10:28 AM
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Or does an answer get disqualified if it includes extraneous information?
For some reason, I remembered an incident along these lines so I checked J! Archive and found the May 24, 1989 episode:

Category: 10-LETTER NAMES

$100: Read his lips; he's the 41st president of the United States

Judi: Who is George Herbert Walker Bush?

Alex: No. Rich?

Rich: Who is George Bush?

Alex: Yes.

Judi: [Resentfully] Oh! You mean I don't get - all right. [Giggles]

Alex: No, we were a little generous with you a few moments ago, Judi -

Judi: Okay!

Alex: - but since the category is 10-LETTER NAMES, and you gave me a whole bunch more than ten -

Judi: Right.

Alex: - we cannot give you a correct one on this particular response.


I remembered in particular Judi's tone of smugness when she recited Bush's full name.
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Old 01-19-2017, 10:37 AM
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Would it have worked the other way? Suppose the answer was supposed to be a state. If the answer had been "This is the fiftieth state." would "What is Honolulu, Hawaii?" be an acceptable answer?
Well, in the case of appending Delaware to Dover, I'd argue that the state simply serves to distinguish the specific Dover. Just in case anyone thought that we were talking about Dover, Ohio, for instance. Or Dover, PA, or Dover, NH...(yes, the mention of state capital makes it unambiguous, but in general terms I would absolutely accept it).

Adding Honolulu to Hawaii, OTOH, does nothing to elucidate which Hawaii would be intended and just sounds strange. I would probably press the first time at least..."and the state in question is...?" But after that I'd probably mark it wrong, so to speak.

Anyway, that's why I see them as different situations.
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Old 01-19-2017, 11:35 AM
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I will say I was just listening, not watching, and it sounded like "this state's capital" to me as well.
Listen again:

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1x47iQfWzX0
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Old 01-19-2017, 11:39 AM
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I'm not saying he said that, but in the moment it seemed like it. It certainly confused multiple people, including two contestants.
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Old 01-19-2017, 11:48 AM
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For some reason, I remembered an incident along these lines so I checked J! Archive and found the May 24, 1989 episode:

Category: 10-LETTER NAMES

$100: Read his lips; he's the 41st president of the United States

Judi: Who is George Herbert Walker Bush?

Alex: No. Rich?

Rich: Who is George Bush?

Alex: Yes.

Judi: [Resentfully] Oh! You mean I don't get - all right. [Giggles]

Alex: No, we were a little generous with you a few moments ago, Judi -

Judi: Okay!

Alex: - but since the category is 10-LETTER NAMES, and you gave me a whole bunch more than ten -

Judi: Right.

Alex: - we cannot give you a correct one on this particular response.


I remembered in particular Judi's tone of smugness when she recited Bush's full name.
Hah, I was going to post about that exact same incident! I remember she just seemed so proud of herself rattling off the full name, only to get the smackdown from Alex.
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Old 01-19-2017, 08:28 PM
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Would it have worked the other way? Suppose the answer was supposed to be a state. If the answer had been "This is the fiftieth state." would "What is Honolulu, Hawaii?" be an acceptable answer?
That would definitely not qualify, since the phrase "Honolulu, Hawaii" as a whole refers to the city, not the state.

There is one exception, during normal play (not Final Jeopardy), if you make a mistake with a response, but manage to correct yourself before your time runs out, it will generally be accepted. So "What is Honolulu...I mean what is Hawaii?" would likely be OK.
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