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Old 11-15-2016, 10:10 AM
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So Start Trek Wouldn't Work as a TV show?

Buhh-whaaaaat?

http://io9.gizmodo.com/despite-curre...exe-1788962348

Maybe it's just me but maybe, maybe, Star Trek would work very well on TV. You know show hope for the future, address an issue once a week or so, show some neat tech and smart people getting out of difficult situations, a smattering of phasers here, torpedoes there, a little character growth. That all sounds like something that's perfect for TV.
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Old 11-15-2016, 10:13 AM
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Of course it would work on TV. This is just post-hoc rationalization (clumsy, at that) for their decision to use the show as a carrot to get people to sign up for their digital service.

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Old 11-15-2016, 04:35 PM
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$6/month for 2 original shows. $10 with no commercials. It seems like they WANT the show to fail.. It almost feels like they've got a contract where they have to create a show or they'll lose the license (like Sony with Fantastic Four), but i don't think that's the case, so this just seems dumb.
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Old 11-15-2016, 04:46 PM
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Of course it wouldn't work as a TV show now. They'd be playing to an audience in terminal decline and treating their major revenue source, streaming services, as a sideline.

I mean, sure, it would play to the over-fifty set who still watch CBS as a television network, as opposed to a content creator similar to a movie studio, but that's utterly irrelevant. You go where the advertisers want to be, and that ain't TV anymore.

Now, are they mishandling their streaming service? Possibly. Probably, even. That doesn't mean TV is the right answer.
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Old 11-15-2016, 04:46 PM
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Wait, what? Isn't there a new series coming out like, next year?

If there's one time we absolutely NEED an optimistic view of the future and positive social messages (if it's going that way, which it sounds like it will) it's now. 110%.

Though if they're making a generic argument against TV, they're right there. Online services are the way now.

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Old 11-15-2016, 06:26 PM
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Meh, I'll wait for it to fail and catch it on Netflix.
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Old 11-15-2016, 07:06 PM
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If there's one time we absolutely NEED an optimistic view of the future and positive social messages (if it's going that way, which it sounds like it will) it's now. 110%.
I'd personally be willing to settle for one with giant space amoebas, issues with AIs, and naval battles of wits, if it was done decently enough.
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Old 11-15-2016, 07:35 PM
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It seems like they WANT the show to fail.
The showrunner who spearheaded the whole idea, Bryan Fuller, has stepped down before production has even begun. They haven't even cast it yet and it's supposed to air next year.

Doomed.
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Old 11-15-2016, 07:38 PM
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Star trek Fans are always played for suckers. I remember when the X Files was one of the first shows to release season DVD sets. They cost $30+ dollars; Star Trek's were over $100. Now they are having us pay for their dumb service to see the show.

The sad thing is that Star Trek is disappearing from the cultural memory because it's been off TV for over a decade. Young people are barely aware of it and if they are it's old fashioned sci fi their parents like.
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Old 11-15-2016, 08:12 PM
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The sad thing is that Star Trek is disappearing from the cultural memory because it's been off TV for over a decade. Young people are barely aware of it and if they are it's old fashioned sci fi their parents like.
No, it's just becoming something that's primarily a movie series.
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Old 11-15-2016, 08:55 PM
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A mediocre movie series.
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Old 11-15-2016, 10:32 PM
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Captain's Log, final entry. We have tried to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before. And except for one television network, we have found intelligent life everywhere in the galaxy. Live long and prosper. Captain James T. Kirk,
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Old 11-15-2016, 10:44 PM
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I'd personally be willing to settle for one with giant space amoebas, issues with AIs, and naval battles of wits, if it was done decently enough.
And space babes with big boobs. Can't forget them!
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Old 11-15-2016, 11:03 PM
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terentii wrote: "And space babes with big boobs. Can't forget them!"

You mean green space babes with big boobs.
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Old 11-16-2016, 01:31 AM
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terentii wrote: "And space babes with big boobs. Can't forget them!"

You mean green space babes with big boobs.
Well, with green hair at least.
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Old 11-16-2016, 01:32 AM
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A mediocre movie series.
An awful movie series.
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Old 11-16-2016, 09:33 AM
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Wait, what? Isn't there a new series coming out like, next year?

If there's one time we absolutely NEED an optimistic view of the future and positive social messages (if it's going that way, which it sounds like it will) it's now. 110%.

Though if they're making a generic argument against TV, they're right there. Online services are the way now.
Yes, that's the gist of this thread. There *is* a new Trek series coming out next year; the OP is quoting an article from one of the execs at CBS's new digital service, in which he's rationalizing why they're not putting the Trek series on broadcast TV.
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Old 11-16-2016, 09:36 AM
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The sad thing is that Star Trek is disappearing from the cultural memory because it's been off TV for over a decade. Young people are barely aware of it and if they are it's old fashioned sci fi their parents like.
Of course it's going to fade from cultural memory. We're not talking the Iliad (lasted some 2700 years) or Shakespeare (400-odd years), this is an ephemeral US TV show and series of movies. It's done well to have lasted this long, it'll be lucky to hold out another generation.
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Old 11-16-2016, 10:02 AM
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Star Trek would be much improved if they would remove two elements that, imho, have ruined the product.

1> Time Travel. For some reason it became all about Time Travel and we get borked timelines out of it. Just please stop. Put this whole thing on the backburner and don't touch it for a decade.

2> Over-reliance on One Villain movies. The movies aren't about issues while exploring or cultural parallels anymore. They're about the fight to save the galaxy/federation from ONE FUCKING BADGUY. These aren't Bond movies. I don't want to go see another movie about Coolbadguyname and how Kirk/Picard/Whoever has to overcome him with the Enterprise taking a lot of damage or being destroyed (again) along the way.


You know what? Give me more non-human Federation members. Make them interesting, not one-notes. Give me alternate cultures for these aliens with real differences. If they want a new series, they can get a lot of plot mileage out of this sort of thing without being merely a villain of the week series.
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Old 11-16-2016, 11:19 AM
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Of course it's going to fade from cultural memory. We're not talking the Iliad (lasted some 2700 years) or Shakespeare (400-odd years), this is an ephemeral US TV show and series of movies. It's done well to have lasted this long, it'll be lucky to hold out another generation.
It had a good run until the mid 2000s. There are people that are third generation Star Trek Fans. There's little reason it couldn't run on for another several decades if it had been nurtured properly.
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Old 11-16-2016, 11:20 AM
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Star Trek would be much improved if they would remove two elements that, imho, have ruined the product.

1> Time Travel. For some reason it became all about Time Travel and we get borked timelines out of it. Just please stop. Put this whole thing on the backburner and don't touch it for a decade.

2> Over-reliance on One Villain movies. The movies aren't about issues while exploring or cultural parallels anymore. They're about the fight to save the galaxy/federation from ONE FUCKING BADGUY. These aren't Bond movies. I don't want to go see another movie about Coolbadguyname and how Kirk/Picard/Whoever has to overcome him with the Enterprise taking a lot of damage or being destroyed (again) along the way.


You know what? Give me more non-human Federation members. Make them interesting, not one-notes. Give me alternate cultures for these aliens with real differences. If they want a new series, they can get a lot of plot mileage out of this sort of thing without being merely a villain of the week series.
I'd add this —

3> "Filling in the canon" or "The George Lucas Error" —Strangely enough, this is a problem that the current movie series has somewhat avoided, by explicitly calling it a different time line. One of the problems with Enterprise was its impulse to hew to canon and "fill in" events that we knew happened or must have happened. This is one big reason why the Star Wars prequels were so tedious. Story should serve story, not canon.
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Old 11-17-2016, 11:03 AM
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3> "Filling in the canon" or "The George Lucas Error" —Strangely enough, this is a problem that the current movie series has somewhat avoided, by explicitly calling it a different time line. One of the problems with Enterprise was its impulse to hew to canon and "fill in" events that we knew happened or must have happened. This is one big reason why the Star Wars prequels were so tedious. Story should serve story, not canon.
I don't think that is a problem at all. Enterprise was notoriously poorly-received in its earlier seasons because it kept avoiding known Trek canon. The Temporal Cold War and the Xindi stuff particularly annoyed critics. Once they started dealing with familiar Trek territory - Vulcan, the Andorians, mirror universe, a Gorn showing up, etc. - fans were much more receptive. Of course, by that point, the show had fallen out of favor that the rally was unable to save it.

Likewise, Star Wars: Rebels has been pretty good Star Wars material. And the two different Clone Wars series were fairly good in their own ways. And all of those are "prequel" series. Rogue One coming up is also a prequel, and looks promising.

The problem in common for both Enterprise and the Star Wars prequel trilogy is bad writing. People are more than happy to indulge in canon-spelunking expeditions if they're enjoyable. No one is interested if said indulgence comes with mopey Anakin, Jar-Jar Binks, or snoozariffic Hoshi and Travis.
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