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Old 11-20-2016, 07:41 PM
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The Walking Dead; 7.05 "Go Getters" (open spoilers)

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Saddled with grief, members of the group try to find safety at the Hilltop before it's too late.
Tom Payne, Xander Berkeley, & Kevin Smith are on Talking Dead.
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Old 11-20-2016, 09:56 PM
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Is "The Talking Dead" going to be an extended episode, due to Kevin Smith's long-winded nature?
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Old 11-20-2016, 10:26 PM
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Some much-needed dry humor in this episode (Gregory and Negan's henchman). Bravo.

Also, Enid and Coorrrll, sittin' in a tree...

The roller skate bit was cute.
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Old 11-20-2016, 10:29 PM
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How fortuitous that they found two sets of roller skates, in good condition, in their sizes
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Old 11-20-2016, 10:41 PM
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Old 11-20-2016, 10:50 PM
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Not as good as the previous couple of episodes. I think it's just that Maggie and Sasha are duds as characters. But still not bad. Much more of a place setting episode.
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Old 11-21-2016, 12:21 AM
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Not bad. At least the Degradation Porn wasn't laid on quite as thick in this episode.

Gregory is truly awful. Maggie was right on the money when she said he was dangerous - he tried to sell them out, and he'll try again. I'm not sure how Maggie and Sasha can stay at Hilltop with him there - they'll never be safe.

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Old 11-21-2016, 09:32 AM
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Not really advancing the plot much except now we have two idiots figuring they can take out Negan without a plan. I guess next week we get to see what Carol has been up to.
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Old 11-21-2016, 10:20 AM
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Not really advancing the plot much except now we have two idiots figuring they can take out Negan without a plan. I guess next week we get to see what Carol has been up to.
Jesus is just on a reconnaissance mission. He's not out to assassinate Negan. Carl's being a stupid teenager, though.

In the TTD sneak peek, it looks like there are a couple of new characters on a beach. Was that Tara, unconscious?
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Old 11-21-2016, 10:42 AM
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So we are back to "STAY IN THE HOUSE CORRALL!". Haha
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Old 11-21-2016, 12:47 PM
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This show really needs to end or get some new writers. All they do is sit around and whine about how bad things are. They are soooo stupid, after all they have been through, you would think they would know how to take care of themselves.
Some won't fight for anything and the others are A-holes.
The moron Carl wrecks a car to pop one walker and has to hit it twice. The stupid girl sees a puddle of blood ( I guess) on the ground and instead of looking around she stares at it and the walker comes out of nowhere.
This pack of idiots would not last for 10 min.
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Old 11-21-2016, 03:31 PM
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Even with one eye Carl is still a slightly better driver than his mother.

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Old 11-21-2016, 03:44 PM
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Old 11-21-2016, 03:45 PM
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This show really needs to end or get some new writers. All they do is sit around and whine about how bad things are. They are soooo stupid, after all they have been through, you would think they would know how to take care of themselves.
They are following what was written in the comic book, I should think.
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Old 11-21-2016, 09:25 PM
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They are following what was written in the comic book, I should think.
That shouldn't be an excuse for seasons and seasons worth of terrible writing.
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Old 11-21-2016, 11:41 PM
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That shouldn't be an excuse for seasons and seasons worth of terrible writing.
My husband and I have had this discussion more than once - yes. the comic is the origin of this series, but you're a major network tv show now - you need to step up your game. This is a different medium, with different requirements.
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Old 11-22-2016, 08:03 AM
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So was that the Saviors showing the residents of Hilltop who was boss or was that the Wolves at work? Because the tricked out car blaring music to attract walkers is a tactic we've seen the Wolves use but isn't something Negan's group has done. Gregory was the one who brought up the message from last night being loud and clear and it looks to me like Simon just rolled with it.
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Old 11-22-2016, 09:08 AM
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Jesus is just on a reconnaissance mission. He's not out to assassinate Negan. Carl's being a stupid teenager, though.

In the TTD sneak peek, it looks like there are a couple of new characters on a beach. Was that Tara, unconscious?
I'm pretty sure that was Tara. Can't wait to find out what has happened!
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Old 11-22-2016, 10:27 AM
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Not really advancing the plot much except now we have two idiots figuring they can take out Negan without a plan. I guess next week we get to see what Carol has been up to.
Four idiots, if you count Maggie and Sasha. Still, better than just waiting for Negan to show back up and bust some heads because your tribute is lacking like some other idiots.

Pouring out the scotch was a nice touch, but I might have left a single swallow in the bottle for Simon to explain. Or toss the bottle in the ditch and grab it on the way home.

Hilltop, suspected of colluding with Rick's crew to off some Saviors, seems to have gotten off pretty easily for their crime. You'd think Negan would want to mark his territory with a little more than a "take half your stuff" move.

Another dumb move - Rick knew Negan was coming to take half their stuff, he had to assume this meant guns. Burn the ledger, stash half the guns, you had 3 days. That way Negan gets 1/4 of your guns sans any Caaarll stupidity, or 1/2 at worst.

Starting to remind me a bit of Lost. Still entertaining enough to watch the next episode, but no real hope that it'll ever regain its first couple of seasons glory.
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Old 11-22-2016, 12:35 PM
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Another dumb move - Rick knew Negan was coming to take half their stuff, he had to assume this meant guns. Burn the ledger, stash half the guns, you had 3 days. That way Negan gets 1/4 of your guns sans any Caaarll stupidity, or 1/2 at worst.
Yeah, but Negan has a bat and smiles a lot.

The Saviors way outnumber Rick's group at Alexandria, they are at least as well armed and they are a lot more motivated. And I don't get a sense from what I've seen or read about the character that Negan is a tactical imbecile (unlike Rick). He showed up early, so whatever preparations they would have had wouldn't be ready. And I'm sure Negan has scouts watching Alexandria and maybe even snipers and backup teams hidden in the woods in case something happens. How many fighters does Rick even have left? It's mostly soft-ass Alexandrians now.

And keep in mind, Rick knows nothing about the Saviors except that there are a shitload of them armed to the teeth, they are violent as fuck and they follow Negan like a cult leader.


Best case scenario, they ambush Negans forces while they are still in the trucks, kill Negan, hope the surviving Saviors don't retaliate, but also loose Daryl.

Worse case, they make a very loud and heroic last stand before Alexandria is blown to shit.

No...I think in this case surrendering the weapons and acquiescing to Negan until a better plan materializes was the smartest tactical move Rick has ever made in the show.






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So was that the Saviors showing the residents of Hilltop who was boss or was that the Wolves at work? Because the tricked out car blaring music to attract walkers is a tactic we've seen the Wolves use but isn't something Negan's group has done. Gregory was the one who brought up the message from last night being loud and clear and it looks to me like Simon just rolled with it.
Why would you think that?
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Old 11-22-2016, 12:46 PM
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I wonder why The Kingdom kind of gets a pass with Negan? That is to say, they get a grocery list of what to provide and get to conduct the transaction off site, as opposed to the Saviors rolling up in force and just taking everything they want?



Here's something that has bothered me about the show though. Other than ex cops like Rick, people who were avid hunters or troublemakers like Daryl or people we actually see train extensively with a weapon like Morgan or Michione, how do these characters actually become "bad ass"? Like Carol the Battered Housewife had some untapped gift for infiltration and assassination? It's not like you learn a lot of combat tactics from stabbing zombies in the head. Maybe you build up your stabbing arm a bit.
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Old 11-22-2016, 01:06 PM
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I wonder why The Kingdom kind of gets a pass with Negan? That is to say, they get a grocery list of what to provide and get to conduct the transaction off site, as opposed to the Saviors rolling up in force and just taking everything they want?
They get a 'grocery list' because they're farmers, and not scavengers. Negan knows what they produce, and it makes more sense collecting the tribute in the form of what they're good at, than to demand tribute in the form they are not.

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Here's something that has bothered me about the show though. Other than ex cops like Rick, people who were avid hunters or troublemakers like Daryl or people we actually see train extensively with a weapon like Morgan or Michione, how do these characters actually become "bad ass"? Like Carol the Battered Housewife had some untapped gift for infiltration and assassination? It's not like you learn a lot of combat tactics from stabbing zombies in the head. Maybe you build up your stabbing arm a bit.
As a victim of domestic abuse, Carol has always had to become as invisible as possible to avoid being beaten up by her late, unlamented, husband. She also had to assume a not-victim character around her friends. She had a lot of practice hiding her true self. So that's the 'infiltration' part. As for 'assassination', shooting well isn't that hard. We don't need to see endless scenes of each character practicing. We just need to see enough, or none at all if we assume that everyone gets trained. As a 'battered housewife', Carol has probably had many, many fantasies about killing her husband. So she probably has pretty good planning abilities.
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Old 11-22-2016, 02:31 PM
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I wonder why The Kingdom kind of gets a pass with Negan? That is to say, they get a grocery list of what to provide and get to conduct the transaction off site, as opposed to the Saviors rolling up in force and just taking everything they want?



Here's something that has bothered me about the show though. Other than ex cops like Rick, people who were avid hunters or troublemakers like Daryl or people we actually see train extensively with a weapon like Morgan or Michione, how do these characters actually become "bad ass"? Like Carol the Battered Housewife had some untapped gift for infiltration and assassination? It's not like you learn a lot of combat tactics from stabbing zombies in the head. Maybe you build up your stabbing arm a bit.
Another possible explanation for The Kingdom getting it easier than our erstwhile group is that Negan and company are more familiar with the residents. He's already talked to, sized up, and shown force to them. He's harder on Rick and company because he has to be. They're new to Negan's group, and led by a law enforcement officer. In Negan-speak, he's got to stop that shit before it gets to be a problem.
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Old 11-22-2016, 07:42 PM
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No...I think in this case surrendering the weapons and acquiescing to Negan until a better plan materializes was the smartest tactical move Rick has ever made in the show.
Yeah, surrender half (or all) the guns Negan finds, but unless his spies have a copy of the inventory, he wouldn't need to find all you have. It might raise issues if a spy spies you with a gun later, but you are under a mandate to deliver booty - it was found on a scavenger hunt, right?
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Old 11-22-2016, 07:58 PM
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They're in what's left of America. Surely guns are ridiculously easy to find.
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Old 11-22-2016, 08:00 PM
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Why would you think that?
Er, you quoted my explanation for why I thought that.

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So was that the Saviors showing the residents of Hilltop who was boss or was that the Wolves at work? Because the tricked out car blaring music to attract walkers is a tactic we've seen the Wolves use but isn't something Negan's group has done. Gregory was the one who brought up the message from last night being loud and clear and it looks to me like Simon just rolled with it.
We have never seen Negan's group use walkers as offensive weapons before. We've seen the Savior's chain a bunch of walkers across a road to prevent passage and they tie them to the fence at their base as some sort of security system/warning to others that even in death they'll serve Negan. But to actually use walkers as an offensive weapon is the hallmark of the Wolves. We've seen them use elaborate booby trapped vehicles to attract walkers. The attack on Hilltop looked more like a Wolf attack than the Saviors. And it looked to me like Simon was bullshitting Gregory about it being a message. Just a theory.
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Old 11-23-2016, 09:02 AM
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Er, you quoted my explanation for why I thought that.



And it looked to me like Simon was bullshitting Gregory about it being a message. Just a theory.
Are you saying that those guys aren't Neegan's group?
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Old 11-23-2016, 10:01 AM
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Are you saying that those guys aren't Neegan's group?
I think what he's saying is that the old loud-car/walker trick is a Wolf tactic. Simon & Co. showed up to collect Negan's tribute, and just took credit for the Wolf attack because Gregory was giving them credit for it.

I disagree with this hypothesis because the 'elaborate booby trap' was a defensive tactic on the Wolves' part. They used the walkers to protect their stuff. The Wolves didn't use the zombies as weapons at Alexandria. The dead were already there because they happened to make their attack right as the hoard from the quarry was passing.

At Hilltop, the zombies were intentionally used in a non-defensive role. Also, the doors to the trailers were locked, so as to keep the Hilltopians safe inside. The Wolves would not have done that. (Not to mention that they're probably a little wary after their defeat at Alexandria.) Clearly, whoever lured the zombies into the community wanted to keep the Hilltopiites safe while they delivered their message. As Simon said, they were going to 'save' the Hilltopers from the 'threat' the Saviours created.

So no Wolves. Just Negan sending a message.
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Old 11-23-2016, 01:56 PM
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So no Wolves. Just Negan sending a message.
I agree. If Simon was surprised and so quickly recovered to the "we worked our asses off to provide you an example" line, then the writers are showing subtlety not in evidence before.

The whole drift of their conversation was accuse / deny colluding with Alexandria. I think Simon was just letting Gregory talk to see if he would slip up and say something he shouldn't.

I fear the Wolves' storyline is over. They seemed interesting, and were built up to be waaay more than they turned out to be.
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Also...Hilltop apparently doesn't post any guards at night.


And did the budget for extras get cut? For all the viewers know, the population of Hilltop is like eight people.
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Old 11-24-2016, 03:25 PM
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As a victim of domestic abuse, Carol has always had to become as invisible as possible to avoid being beaten up by her late, unlamented, husband. She also had to assume a not-victim character around her friends. She had a lot of practice hiding her true self. So that's the 'infiltration' part. As for 'assassination', shooting well isn't that hard. We don't need to see endless scenes of each character practicing. We just need to see enough, or none at all if we assume that everyone gets trained. As a 'battered housewife', Carol has probably had many, many fantasies about killing her husband. So she probably has pretty good planning abilities.
Smiling and playing "Carol Homemaker" I get. Making Ghillie suits out of zombie guns, destroying the shit out of armed compounds with a scoped sniper rile and single-handedly wiping out a "technical" full of armed Saviors I do not.


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Er, you quoted my explanation for why I thought that.

LOL...no, it was rhetorical. As in "that doesn't make sense" as opposed to "what is your reason".
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Old 11-24-2016, 03:28 PM
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The ratings have taken a nosedive this season.
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Old 11-24-2016, 03:35 PM
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The ratings have taken a nosedive this season.
People are surprised when a popular character is killed, in a show that has a record of killing off popular characters.
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I find I'm having a hard time getting into it this season.

Part of it might be the constant cycle of road trips, zombie sieges, encounters with other groups who are always at one or the other extreme of "clueless as shit" or "evil as fuck" and "heartbreaking season / mid-season finales".

Or it just might be I'm getting burned out on bleak, emotionally draining TV series.



Also...burning their mattresses? Yeah sure that was a dick move. Is there a shortage of abandoned mattresses in the greater DC area? Is there really a shortage of ANYTHING if 99% of the population effectively dropped dead overnight?

For that matter, at what point do they say "fuck living under Negan" and simply get in their cars and drive somewhere else? Maybe head out to a lower population state with fewer zombies or up north where the zombies freeze during the winter? They have cars and trucks. Why are they always stuck within walking distance of wherever "home base" is for the season? It's not like their fortified compounds ever do any good.

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Well, if they go far enough west, they could run into the Last Man on Earth survivors.

And after a week of living with Tandy and co., they'll turn around and return to the stern but merciful embrace of Lucille!



So, who would you rather follow, Rick or Z Nation's Roberta Warren? I gotta go with Warren, myself. At least she never had a one-person conference call.
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Also...burning their mattresses? Yeah sure that was a dick move. Is there a shortage of abandoned mattresses in the greater DC area? Is there really a shortage of ANYTHING if 99% of the population effectively dropped dead overnight?
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For that matter, at what point do they say "fuck living under Negan" and simply get in their cars and drive somewhere else?
They couldn't get around the roadblocks when they were trying to get Maggie to Hilltop.
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Anyone hear that Chandler Riggs has been accepted to Auburn University, and his seven-year contract is up?
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They couldn't get around the roadblocks when they were trying to get Maggie to Hilltop.
Surely Negan doesn't have the manpower to block every possible road out of Virginia, though. If it ever occurred to the characters to just cut and run (and by "run", I mean "use a vehicle", not just meander off on foot like that guy Dwight chased down and somehow managed to find), there isn't any credible way to stop them. He can try to scare them with threats along the lines of "if anyone runs, there will be reprisals against the people left behind", but that doesn't work if his standard behaviour is so casually brutal (i.e. killing or maiming people for minor, even trivial or imaginary, offences) that it forces his serfs to abandon others just for the sake of personal survival.
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I find I'm having a hard time getting into it this season.
Same.

Up until this season, The Walking Dead has been appointment television for me, where I very nearly watch it live. The only other show that maintains such a status for me is Game of Thrones.

But this season hasn't been fun at all, to the point that I fell behind/let stack up three episodes on my DVR. I did finally catch up a couple days ago, but much of the fun has been sucked out of the show for me.

It's not just the bleakness. I think I'm bothered by the radical change in setting. Maybe it's a wry indictment of southerners, but everything we saw in Georgia was small pockets of survivors struggling to just stay alive. Terminus was the biggest settlement we saw, and that had what, a couple dozen people?

Cut to Virginia, and now there's more large, thriving communities than you can shake a stick at. So many large communities that their collective economies can fund a MASSIVE community of mob-style shakedown artists running "protection" rackets. (We saw Rick's group kill upwards of 50 of them, which apparently didn't make a dent.) Even the rando scrabblers have (had) large numbers, like the Wolves.

I think the story has lost the plot. It's one thing to show a small community getting larger, and then meeting up with more communities. That could be interesting. But we never got that. What we got is small pockets everywhere we looked, then jump cut and now there's a bunch of huge communities that have already formed. We definitely skipped a step or ten, so much of this doesn't feel earned to me.

EDIT: I forgot Woodbury, but I think my point still stands. In retrospect, I think Woodbury felt a bit off to me for similar reasons, but I could just be retconning my feelings on that.

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His dad is doing everything short of announcing that they're not going to re-sign him, including posting photos with the hashtag "Freedom." If it's a negotiating tactic, it's a bad one. If it's not, he's being a complete and utter dick.
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Old 11-25-2016, 09:55 PM
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His dad is doing everything short of announcing that they're not going to re-sign him, including posting photos with the hashtag "Freedom." If it's a negotiating tactic, it's a bad one. If it's not, he's being a complete and utter dick.
why? maybe the kid doesn't want to do this any more.
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Old 11-25-2016, 10:50 PM
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why? maybe the kid doesn't want to do this any more.
How much money does the kid make doing this?
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Old 11-25-2016, 10:55 PM
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How much money does the kid make doing this?
???

does that put him under some sort of obligation to renew his contract?
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Old 11-25-2016, 11:10 PM
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How much money does the kid make doing this?
Yeah, he should keep his eye on the prize.
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Old 11-26-2016, 08:01 AM
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why? maybe the kid doesn't want to do this any more.
Not Chandler- hell, I support him leaving the show just so he can get a damn haircut. I meant his dad is being a dick by essentially serving as a walking, photo-posting spoiler alert. They primarily shoot during times Chandler would be out of school, so there was always potential plausible deniability by everyone involved with the show that they would work around his classes and keep him on the show; there's certainly precedent for it. With dad running around like a modern day William Wallace, it's pretty clear what's likely to happen.
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Old 11-26-2016, 08:59 AM
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???

does that put him under some sort of obligation to renew his contract?
Money won't buy you happiness, but it's nice to have it around so that you don't need anything.
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Old 11-26-2016, 12:41 PM
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At the very least he shouldn't have to worry about student loans.

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Old 11-27-2016, 06:13 PM
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Carl's mom is trying to quash the rumors of him leaving.

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“Don’t over analyze. His seven year contract is up. That’s all he was saying, nothing else. Pretty big accomplishment for a child actor (and for the parent who had to quit his job for this child to be able to follow his dream).”
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