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Old 03-19-2017, 11:04 PM
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Juggernaut vs Captain America's Shield

The big, bad-guy mutant with infinite momentum is capable of knocking down and busting through anything when he runs into it.

Cap's vibranium shield can withstand and absorb any impact.

When the irresistable force meets the immovable object, what happens?
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Old 03-19-2017, 11:06 PM
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'Why don;t you put that hammer down?'

Probably about the closest approximation we'll see.
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Old 03-19-2017, 11:47 PM
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'Why don;t you put that hammer down?'

Probably about the closest approximation we'll see.
Well, there's this.
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Old 03-19-2017, 11:53 PM
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The shield is not an immovable object, just an indestructable one. I think Cap simply gets pushed back, and I think we've seen this happen a few times in fact.
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Old 03-20-2017, 12:46 AM
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in light of what Mijin said, what if we've been looking at Cap's shield the wrong way all along? Obviously as an object, its not immovable but, being indestructible, maybe it is an unexpected manifestation of the unstoppable force and it's Juggernaut who is actually the immovable object in the context of the OP.

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Old 03-20-2017, 01:26 AM
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We can also look at it from an IP point of view. If the two options are juggernaut shows weakness or Cap's shield bends/breaks, of course they'd choose the latter. Cap's shield is a man-made object, and they can easily write in some (dramatic) destruction of the shield, followed by him being given one that's 100x stronger.

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Old 03-20-2017, 02:46 AM
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I suppose it also depends on whether Juggernaut is the primary or secondary villain of the story.
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Old 03-20-2017, 02:51 AM
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Captain America's shield is utterly indestructible, made entirely of Vibranium. The only people who have been able to break/destroy it were characters with godlike powers, such as Serpent, Odin's brother, and Dr. Doom when he stole the omnipotent Beyonder's powers.

The best he can hope for is to stagger Steve backwards a little bit. He's not getting past the shield.
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Old 03-20-2017, 02:54 AM
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There's a very large "BONG!"

For a device made of a metal which absorbs vibration, I've always been intrigued that the shield makes sounds when struck.
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:26 AM
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Well, Black Panther scratched the shield with his vibranium claws in Captain America: Civil War. So it's not entirely indestructible.

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Old 03-20-2017, 05:30 AM
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Well, Black Panther scratched the shield with his vibranium claws in Captain America: Civil War. So it's not entirely indestructible.
That might have just been the paint job.
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Old 03-20-2017, 06:04 AM
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In the comics, the shield isn't pure vibranium. It's an alloy of vibranium, iron, and other unknown components, and is the only alloy vibranium has ever been known to form. Adamantium was created in an effort to duplicate the feat, and is just as indestructible, but doesn't have the momentum-absorbing properties.
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Old 03-20-2017, 09:21 AM
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Captain America's shield is utterly indestructible, made entirely of Vibranium. The only people who have been able to break/destroy it were characters with godlike powers, such as Serpent, Odin's brother, and Dr. Doom when he stole the omnipotent Beyonder's powers.

The best he can hope for is to stagger Steve backwards a little bit. He's not getting past the shield.
Isn't Juggernaut powered by a god?
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Old 03-20-2017, 09:42 AM
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Isn't Juggernaut powered by a god?
He's powered by the Crimson Gem of Cyttorak. So more or less.
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Old 03-20-2017, 11:01 AM
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The big, bad-guy mutant with infinite momentum is capable of knocking down and busting through anything when he runs into it.
He's not a mutant. He's very much not a mutant. If you want to get Cain Marko pissed, calling him a mutant might actually be the quickest way (not that it ever takes a lot of work).


<--- Enola Gay being schooled on the properties of the Ruby of Cyttorak and on being bullied by your golden-boy, telepathic, not-even-half-brother.
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Old 03-20-2017, 12:13 PM
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When the irresistable force meets the immovable object, what happens?
According to my high school physics teacher, there are two answers, one scientific and one social.

Scientific answer: an infinite amount of heat is generated.

Social answer: they get married.
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Old 03-20-2017, 01:00 PM
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I think a better question would be, stick Juggernaut in a giant Adamantium or Vibranium box with enough room to run. What happens when he hits the end?
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Old 03-20-2017, 01:17 PM
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The shield is not an immovable object, just an indestructable one. I think Cap simply gets pushed back, and I think we've seen this happen a few times in fact.
It's not even that indestructible, prime Ultron was made of the same material and they melted the fuck out of him.
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Old 03-20-2017, 02:50 PM
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It always made me sad the way Gladiator was able to simply toss Juggernaut miles away like a sack of potatoes-Random thought on reading thread
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Old 03-20-2017, 03:02 PM
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It's not even that indestructible, prime Ultron was made of the same material and they melted the fuck out of him.
I thought that was Vision - I didn't think Ultron used the Vibranium on his other bodies.
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Old 03-20-2017, 03:07 PM
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He's not a mutant. He's very much not a mutant. If you want to get Cain Marko pissed, calling him a mutant might actually be the quickest way
How about if you call him a mendicant?
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Old 03-20-2017, 03:33 PM
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How about if you call him a mendicant?
He doesn't beg. He takes.
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Old 03-21-2017, 04:32 AM
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It always made me sad the way Gladiator was able to simply toss Juggernaut miles away like a sack of potatoes-Random thought on reading thread
Gladiator always seems to be pitched as the man to beat in the Marvel universe. Witness his recent raid on Asgardia to abduct Thor. He doesn't really need to be backed by the rest of the Shi'ar Imperial Guard.
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Old 03-21-2017, 09:17 AM
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Captain America's shield is utterly indestructible, made entirely of Vibranium. The only people who have been able to break/destroy it were characters with godlike powers, such as Serpent, Odin's brother, and Dr. Doom when he stole the omnipotent Beyonder's powers.

The best he can hope for is to stagger Steve backwards a little bit. He's not getting past the shield.
Thor damaged it with his hammer once, when he possessed the Odin-force.
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Old 03-21-2017, 09:51 AM
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How about if you call him a mendicant?
What does "mulch" mean?
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Old 03-21-2017, 09:54 AM
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I think a better question would be, stick Juggernaut in a giant Adamantium or Vibranium box with enough room to run. What happens when he hits the end?
Sounds like the kind of stunt Arcade would want to pull.
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Old 03-21-2017, 09:57 AM
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Sounds like the kind of stunt Arcade would want to pull.
Oh, well, then, Juggernaut gets out.
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What does "mulch" mean?
I can plainly see that.
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Old 03-21-2017, 06:17 PM
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I suppose it also depends on whether Juggernaut is the primary or secondary villain of the story.
I was going to say, "It depends on which situation is dramatically appropriate."

Cap hides from a bomb behind the shield: gets blown out the window.

Cap puts his shield up against somebody's face and punches the back of it: Guy gets KO'd.

Somebody punches the shield: Shield stops the punch.

Thor hits the shield with all his might: Shield doesn't budge, Cap's legs don't get broken.

Cap throws the shield at somebody: Shield hits the guy hard enough KO him, then bounces off rather than dropping to the ground and ricochets a couple times before it comes back to Cap.
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Old 03-21-2017, 06:30 PM
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I may be a little confused, but is calling Juggernaut "unstoppable" literal or just poetic description? Because he seems to be awesomely strong and nigh-indestructible, but very stoppable.
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Old 03-21-2017, 08:53 PM
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I was going to say, "It depends on which situation is dramatically appropriate."

Cap hides from a bomb behind the shield: gets blown out the window.

Cap puts his shield up against somebody's face and punches the back of it: Guy gets KO'd.

Somebody punches the shield: Shield stops the punch.

Thor hits the shield with all his might: Shield doesn't budge, Cap's legs don't get broken.

Cap throws the shield at somebody: Shield hits the guy hard enough KO him, then bounces off rather than dropping to the ground and ricochets a couple times before it comes back to Cap.
That thing doesn't obey the laws of physics at all!
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Old 03-22-2017, 12:14 AM
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I may be a little confused, but is calling Juggernaut "unstoppable" literal or just poetic description? Because he seems to be awesomely strong and nigh-indestructible, but very stoppable.
See, this is sort of where I come from on Juggernaut. His seeming infinite momentum isn't really him moving. It looks like he's moving through space cause he's making those bodily motions, but really, the source of his ability causes him to not move through the universe. Instead, the universe moves around him, thus making it appear that he has infinite momentum.

Cap's shield isn't indestructible. It can be damaged by Thor when he has the odin-force and others with godlike ability. When Thor "put the hammer down" in the movie, there was a shock wave, an electrical discharge of some sort, a visible radiation wave, and a really loud kabong wave, all the sorts of things I thought Stark said vibranium absorbs (could be mistaken on that one though)
It may be really really hard to damage, but that's because its irresistible, that is the true property of vibranium. it is quantumly irresistible.

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