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Old 09-05-2017, 01:46 PM
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Which of the Seven Ancient Wonders would you like to see restored?

The Seven Wonders of the Ancient World are (or were):

Great Pyramid of Giza,

Hanging Gardens of Babylon,

Temple of Artemis,

Statue of Zeus at Olympia,

Mausoleum at Halicarnassus,

Colossus of Rhodes,

and the Lighthouse of Alexandria.

Of these seven, only the Great Pyramid still exists ... which of these seven would you like to see restored, and why? (For the Great Pyramid, for "restored" imagine it with its original outer cladding, and completely unlooted!)

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Inspired by this thread: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...d.php?t=835096

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Old 09-05-2017, 02:13 PM
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Old 09-05-2017, 02:24 PM
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Colossus or Lighthouse

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Old 09-05-2017, 02:27 PM
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Old 09-05-2017, 02:35 PM
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Probably the Hanging Gardens, simply because we have the least concept of what it looked like and how it functioned. Everything else, we can sort of guess what it was like based on archaeological finds, ancient writings, ruins, and some guesswork. That one, though, we literally have no idea what it looked like, how it got enough water, etc.
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Old 09-05-2017, 02:42 PM
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I'd like to see the Colossus of Rhodes.

It's pretty clear to me that they used the Colossus as a model when they made the Statue of Liberty -- the heights are about the same, the statues both use an internal core to support a very thin exterior copper skin (which would quickly be covered with verdigris), and the poses weren't that different. The Colossus reported had a set of spike-like Rays emanating from its head, just as the SoL does.


Failing that, the Lighthouse (as Frodo already suggested). Even if it doesn't have a Lens or a Mirror (as some people hopefully, but improbably, suggested), it'd still be impressive.
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Old 09-05-2017, 04:12 PM
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there is a plan to rebuild the colossus of Rhodes

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...es-new-project
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Old 09-05-2017, 04:22 PM
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Lighthouse or Colossus
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Old 09-05-2017, 04:25 PM
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there is a plan to rebuild the colossus of Rhodes

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...es-new-project
Woah!
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Probably the Hanging Gardens, simply because we have the least concept of what it looked like and how it functioned. Everything else, we can sort of guess what it was like based on archaeological finds, ancient writings, ruins, and some guesswork. That one, though, we literally have no idea what it looked like, how it got enough water, etc.
And think of all the heritage plants! The Garden is the one I'd like to see restored.
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Old 09-05-2017, 05:08 PM
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The pyramids. We know how big they are. Restored they would be (even more) spectacular. How certain are we that the other ancient wonders are as spectacular as their descriptions? Couldn't there be a lot of exaggeration in generations of retelling? I'd hate to use up my one restoration wish and end up with the equivalent of the Stonehenge set from Spinal Tap...
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In a perfect world, I'd restore the Hanging Gardens of Babylon, but it's not a perfect world, and Babylon looks too much like war-torn Iraq right now.

I'd go with the Colossus of Rhodes, as long as the Greek taxpayers don't have to foot the bill; Greece has been through enough lately, to be honest.
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Old 09-05-2017, 05:48 PM
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I'd trade them all for the Library at Alexandria.

Failing that: The Colossus of Rhodes, but only because that was the name of the first movie I remember seeing in a theater as a child.
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Old 09-05-2017, 06:26 PM
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And think of all the heritage plants! The Garden is the one I'd like to see restored.
And blown up in...oh, ten minutes!
It's in Iraq.
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I'd have to go with either the Hanging Gardens or the Colossus. The Gardens because, as others have said, we have very little idea what they were actually like, and they were probably very beautiful, from a human perspective walking around in them. The Colossus because, even though it was much shorter than the Statue of Liberty (108' vs. 305'), it was still tall enough to be an absolutely phenomenal feat of engineering for the time, and I'd love to see how they managed it.

The rest of the Wonders may have been the greatest specimens of the sort of thing they were, but they weren't too different from the second-fanciest temple, or the second-prettiest gold statue, or whatever. But those two were the only specimens of what they were.
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Old 09-05-2017, 07:26 PM
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The Hanging Gardens, because as others have said we could finally see what they looked like. Plus it'd bring back the concept of Babylon, the center of a great civilization, and could be used as a starting point to rebuild modern Iraq. Imagine the tourist possibilities - perhaps there could be a flume ride installed for even more fun.
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Old 09-05-2017, 07:33 PM
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The Hanging Gardens, because The Cure never wrote a song about the Mausoleum at Halicarnassus.
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Old 09-05-2017, 09:40 PM
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I think the Colossus beats out the Hanging Gardens for me, but just barely. Don't know what either of them looked like. I suppose we know less about the Gardens (don't even know where they were!) but I think the Colossus could be more impressive-looking.
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The library could probably be rebuilt using the late fees from books which were never returned.
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The library could probably be rebuilt using the late fees from books which were never returned.
What library?
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Old 09-06-2017, 02:33 AM
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The OP as phrased doesn't preclude "All of them", so that's my choice.
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Didn't I read somewhere recently that the Colossus of Rhodes may never have been built? It was planned but wasn't completed, or something.
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I thought some archaeologist figured out the Hanging Gardens, starting with the fact that they weren't in Babylon nor built by King Nebuchadnezzar but in Nineveh built by King Sennacherib. Still in Iraq, though, so not going to be a major tourist site either way.

[Googles.] This is her. And here's the television documentary on her theory and research, including going to Iraq. Seems pretty convincing to me, admittedly a layman as to archaeology.

There's only the barest remains at the site, though, so it would still be cool to have the Hanging Gardens restored. Just not necessary (IMHO) for learning more or less what they looked like.

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Didn't I read somewhere recently that the Colossus of Rhodes may never have been built? It was planned but wasn't completed, or something.
My understanding is that it was built, but toppled over in an earthquake, and the remains - much later - hauled away for scrap.
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I'd have to go with either the Hanging Gardens or the Colossus. The Gardens because, as others have said, we have very little idea what they were actually like, and they were probably very beautiful, from a human perspective walking around in them. The Colossus because, even though it was much shorter than the Statue of Liberty (108' vs. 305'), it was still tall enough to be an absolutely phenomenal feat of engineering for the time, and I'd love to see how they managed it.

The rest of the Wonders may have been the greatest specimens of the sort of thing they were, but they weren't too different from the second-fanciest temple, or the second-prettiest gold statue, or whatever. But those two were the only specimens of what they were.
Heel to head, though it seems both statues were about the same size. Liberty just has a big ol pedestal under her.
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if you have not seen Game of Thrones, they have a city with a big statue at the entrance of the harbor. picture here:

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Braavos

Most likely inspired by Rhodes
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if you have not seen Game of Thrones, they have a city with a big statue at the entrance of the harbor. picture here:

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Braavos

Most likely inspired by Rhodes
The statue at the harbor of Braavos was undoubtedly inspired by the Colossuis of Rhodes. There was a medieval notion that the statue spanned the harbor with its legs -- a feat beyond ancient engineering. The statue's pose was probably much more like the Statue of Liberty, as I stated. Its core likely consisted on a stone tower with projecting rods that supported the thin copper sheathing. The statue "stood" on two legs together (maybe covered by a robe), possibly with one hand (close in to the body, no doubt) shielding its eyes as it looked out to sea.

Trying to build two inward-leaning pillars to support legs over a space large enough to accommodate a ship would realy be pushing it. Nevertheless, the image is arresting, as the image of Braavos shows. The Italian 1960s epoic the Colossus of Rhodes (Directed by Sergio Leone, long before his Clint Eastwood westerns) depicts it thus. The statue was even depicted holding a bowl, from which, if desired, the rulers of Rhodes could drop fire onto a passing ship.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pqn60eQL7L...VIE+POSTER.jpg

http://www.indiewire.com/wp-content/...-of-rhodes.jpg

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lzGnQClu-...ossus_film.jpg

Ray Harryhausen was similarly inspired, in his Jason and the Argonauts, to have his bronze giant Talos assume a Colossus-like pose bestriding the harbor entrance, and pick up Jason's passing Argo

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KLbPIl2uH6.../talos3ng4.jpg

http://pages.vassar.edu/grst-202-52-...5/05/Talos.png


I wonder why filmmakers feel the need to have the Colossus take it out on ships?
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IF the Hanging Gardens were really as spectacular as reputed, I'd love to have seen them.
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I'd have to go with either the Hanging Gardens or the Colossus. The Gardens because, as others have said, we have very little idea what they were actually like, and they were probably very beautiful, from a human perspective walking around in them. The Colossus because, even though it was much shorter than the Statue of Liberty (108' vs. 305'), it was still tall enough to be an absolutely phenomenal feat of engineering for the time, and I'd love to see how they managed it.
I agree about the Colossus, but the Hanging Gardens may be mythical.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangin...ens_of_Babylon

The "mythical" part of the Colossus is that some thought it straddled the harbor, which is rather unlikely.
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The "mythical" part of the Colossus is that some thought it straddled the harbor, which is rather unlikely.
See my post, two above yours.
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I'd trade them all for the Library at Alexandria.
This. It was certainly by far and away the leading choice in that other thread.

Can we bundle the Lighthouse and the Library together and get a package deal on them? Hey, they were in the same neighborhood!
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Oh, I know that the Colossus didn't straddle the harbor. But even with legs together, that's still plenty phenomenal.
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I wonder why filmmakers feel the need to have the Colossus take it out on ships?
"The real engineering feat was not making the Colossus straddle the harbor - the real engineering feat was how they managed to redirect the city's sewers all the way up there!"

"Well, however it was done, the 'Squatting Colossus' certainly has discouraged invaders ... "
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This. It was certainly by far and away the leading choice in that other thread.

Can we bundle the Lighthouse and the Library together and get a package deal on them? Hey, they were in the same neighborhood!
In all honesty, I did not see that other thread.
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The Colossus.

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch...
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I thought some archaeologist figured out the Hanging Gardens, starting with the fact that they weren't in Babylon nor built by King Nebuchadnezzar but in Nineveh built by King Sennacherib. Still in Iraq, though, so not going to be a major tourist site either way.

[Googles.] This is her. And here's the television documentary on her theory and research, including going to Iraq. Seems pretty convincing to me, admittedly a layman as to archaeology.

There's only the barest remains at the site, though, so it would still be cool to have the Hanging Gardens restored. Just not necessary (IMHO) for learning more or less what they looked like.
You can watch that episode of Secrets of the Dead tonight on PBS.
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The Lighthouse. It actually wasn't destroyed all that long ago, comparatively speaking.
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Since this is a poll, why didn't you just create the thread as a poll?
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Didn't I read somewhere recently that the Colossus of Rhodes may never have been built? It was planned but wasn't completed, or something.
Maybe you are thinking of Leonardo's horse?
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Another vote for the Colossus.
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