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Old 12-01-2017, 07:40 PM
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I pit the people of the United States of America.

Environmental protections? Gone.

FCC privacy protections? Gone.

Net neutrality? On death's door.

And now, congressional Republicans have announced they have the votes to pass their highly unpopular tax plan that will give a $682 billion gift to corporations and add $1 trillion to the national deficit. And they're voting on it tonight.

The blame for this lies squarely on the shoulders of the American people. Aside from the wealthy class of donors who know exactly what they are doing, Republicans won control of the entire government because their voters are are about as sharp as a bag of wet hair. Some buy into the GOP narrative hook, line, and sinker and remain willfully ignorant to the overwhelming evidence that they are being lied to. They see intelligence as scary and evil. They denounce science because they're too stupid to understand it. Others are single issue voters who don't care what their party does as long as hurts the fags. And yet even others are a frightening group of white nationalists who truly believe their God-King Trump will save the pure white race from the raping and pillaging hordes of brown people who are just trying to get by on $4 an hour. They are ruled by hate and fear. Fuck you, you racist, ignorant, homophobic, sanctimonious piles of human garbage.

There's no less blame on the other side. Left-wing ideals have become such a laughingstock that to be called a "social justice warrior" is an insult. Progressivism is viewed entirely as a Tumblr caricature. There was a movement called Occupy that had a real chance of bringing change, and they completely blew it. They rallied, they made noise, and they got attention. But once the news cameras were focused on them, it was all deer in headlights. "Demands? Wait, what are our demands, guys? Shit, we got high and forgot to meet about that. Bummer." What's more, Congressional Democrats have taken a back seat through this entire governmental clusterfuck. What are the possible political consequences for standing up and drawing the world's attention to the bold-faced lies of the Republicans? They have no majority to lose. You had a chance to fire up your voters while at the same time ironically doing the right thing. But that chance to stand up and save this train wreck has passed. You have no discernible agenda. You have no balls. The only congressional Democrats currently in the news are sexual predators. If you win anything come midterms, thank your lucky fucking stars, because apparently God too has had it with this bullshit. Fuck you, you cowardly, weak-willed mound of spineless amoebae.

The rest of you 41% who couldn't even be bothered to get off your asses and vote. Some of you refused to vote for Hillary because Bernie got the shaft. Some of you just didn't feel like it. Whatever the reason, you don't deserve a paragraph the size of the others. You've gotten so comfortable in your cozy little amniotic sac of filled with Starbucks, Walmart, and Dancing with the Stars that you don't even glance back to see how thoroughly you're being fucked. Some countries just got their democracy and wait in polling lines for hours on end and at the threat of violence. You, you inattentive, underachieving waste of flesh, you didn't go because you didn't feel like putting shoes on.

Finally, I pit myself. I'm nearing the completion of a master's degree in social work, and I haven't engaged in one iota of community action. I joined Represent.Us, sat on one conference call, felt proud of myself, then went back to porn and video games because I decided "I didn't have enough time." Fuck me for being a self-satisfied, lazy shitstick.

The United States is in a state of decline. The balance has tipped too far. We allowed ourselves to be ruled by an elite wealthy class, and now we will be the ones paying for it.
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Old 12-01-2017, 07:59 PM
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When has it been any different in the USA? ... I heard this exact same rhetoric as a youth, and the USA is stronger than ever ... I heard this rhetoric when I was a young adult, and the USA is stronger than ever ... I'm hearing this rhetoric now in my dodderhood, yet again the USA is stronger than it ever has been before ...

Three generations of American who were supposed to be not as well off as the previous ... and it never has happened ...

This is all about YOU being a total idiot ... you're just not smart enough to get ahead in our system ... go flip your burgers, that's all you're good for ... don't like it, get the fuck out, there's ten million Mexicans who will take your job and be happy about it and not be a whinny cry-babies ...


Whatever else that might be said of the American Dream ... everybody else's dream is a green card ... that will never change ...

Stupid hillbilly ... [move to where it's legal and] smoke some pot and settle down, will ya ...

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Old 12-01-2017, 08:20 PM
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Really looking forward to China's tenure as global superpower. No doubt in time they'll get as complacent as the UK, then the USA did, but I trust we all agree it's time for a change.
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Old 12-01-2017, 08:54 PM
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I'm already planning to make chicken feet with black bean sauce for the next Ching Ming Festival, just in case.
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Old 12-01-2017, 08:57 PM
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I'm already planning to make chicken feet with black bean sauce for the next Ching Ming Festival, just in case.
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Old 12-01-2017, 09:10 PM
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I'd be curious to know how many outraged people on this message board made calls to the senators who were fence riders who might vote against this piece of shit tax bill. Anyone? My wife and I called eight senators and left messages asking them to vote 'no' and giving reasons why. Anybody else? OP? If you don't make your voices heard, then just bend over and enjoy the ass-fucking.
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Old 12-01-2017, 09:26 PM
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I'd be curious to know how many outraged people on this message board made calls to the senators who were fence riders who might vote against this piece of shit tax bill. Anyone? My wife and I called eight senators and left messages asking them to vote 'no' and giving reasons why. Anybody else? OP? If you don't make your voices heard, then just bend over and enjoy the ass-fucking.
Do Senators from states other than your own even consider your opinion? Serious question.
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Old 12-01-2017, 09:27 PM
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Three generations of American who were supposed to be not as well off as the previous ... and it never has happened ...
No, this decline has indeed happened; whether you're not aware of it doesn't matter.
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Old 12-01-2017, 09:31 PM
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I heartily endorse this pitting. Excellent use of language and imagery. 9.5/10
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Old 12-01-2017, 09:31 PM
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I'd be curious to know how many outraged people on this message board made calls to the senators who were fence riders who might vote against this piece of shit tax bill. Anyone? My wife and I called eight senators and left messages asking them to vote 'no' and giving reasons why. Anybody else? OP? If you don't make your voices heard, then just bend over and enjoy the ass-fucking.
I didn't but I did make phone calls last year and went door to door (enduring a few nasty people along the way) to try to get people not to vote for Trump. It doesn't matter. It's not like people can't educate themselves; they just don't want to. It's impossible to win with people like that. Sure, I'll vote and be active but don't blame people on the left for being cynical. The Republicans today know that the tax bill isn't popular and that it's going to be less popular as time elapses. They don't care. This was a payback to their donors, plain and simple, and this was their last chance to repay them. See it for what it is. See our "democracy" for what it is: a plutocracy.
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Old 12-01-2017, 09:35 PM
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Do Senators from states other than your own even consider your opinion? Serious question.
The rat bastards currently get money and influence from out-of-state interests-why shouldn't they also receive attention from out-of-state voters that will be effected by their decisions?
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Old 12-01-2017, 09:39 PM
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The rat bastards currently get money and influence from out-of-state interests-why shouldn't they also receive attention from out-of-state voters that will be effected by their decisions?
They'll only be effected by their decisions if they outlaw abortion, and then it will still be 18 years before they can vote.
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Old 12-01-2017, 09:58 PM
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OP, you raise valid points, it's just unfortunate that you undermine them with such broad-brush rhetoric. Perhaps I can clarify my own position by responding to this idiot:
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When has it been any different in the USA? ... I heard this exact same rhetoric as a youth, and the USA is stronger than ever ... I heard this rhetoric when I was a young adult, and the USA is stronger than ever ... I'm hearing this rhetoric now in my dodderhood, yet again the USA is stronger than it ever has been before ...
This, and the rest of your drivel, is a completely useless response, as I might have expected from the familiar scattering of ellipses everywhere like the splatterings of a diarrhetic monkey.

No one questions the vast wealth and natural resources of the US, its world-leading infrastructure in research and education and technology, and the vast pool of talent associated with it. In short, the best universities in the world, among the best research and most innovative R&D in the world, and some of the smartest scientists and engineers in the world. And no one questions that relative to most of the world, life is basically good and for the most part filled with ample opportunity for most people.

The question is, however, whether on important metrics like quality of life and effective governance things are on the decline or not. It's an important question worth asking, and to examine analytically and dispassionately. Arrogantly dismissing anyone who asks the question as a traitorous beatnik who should get the hell out is so 1950s, so unthinking and so stupidly unproductive. No society, no matter how great, is invulnerable to the slow and incremental ravages of ongoing dysfunction. That virtually the entire fabric of the federal government is right at this moment in a state of rather remarkable dysfunction should in my view lend particular urgency -- in addition to the points raised by the OP -- to the value of considering this question.
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Old 12-01-2017, 11:56 PM
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Do Senators from states other than your own even consider your opinion? Serious question.
They don't particularly care much.
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Old 12-02-2017, 12:10 AM
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The OP is part of the problem. Saying that everyone is equally to blame absolves the people who are actually doing this of their responsibility. You want to end these problems? Vote Republican conservatives out of office.
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Old 12-02-2017, 12:25 AM
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If you don't make your voices heard, then just bend over and enjoy the ass-fucking.
Back in my single days, in Vegas, I knew a lady named Linda who loved this!

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Old 12-02-2017, 02:02 AM
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The rat bastards currently get money and influence from out-of-state interests-why shouldn't they also receive attention from out-of-state voters that will be effected by their decisions?
I've submitted comments online to my Congressman, and the form requires a zip code prior to submission. Presumably to tell who is an actual constituent.
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Old 12-02-2017, 02:11 AM
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They don't particularly care much.
Right. So what are Chefguy and Czarcasm going on about?
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Old 12-02-2017, 03:09 AM
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The OP is part of the problem. Saying that everyone is equally to blame absolves the people who are actually doing this of their responsibility. You want to end these problems? Vote Republican conservatives out of office.
He also left out the Jill Stein voters.

From the left wing strategic point of view, it really shouldn't have mattered that HRC wasn't leftist enough, or that she had a private email server, or even that she didn't seem to have clear proposals for her administration should she have won. Most of what we are now seeing and ranting about would not be happening. There would be no cabinet of oppositionist and incompetent billionaires. We would not have the most regressive tax reform LAW in American history. The SCOTUS seat now occupied by Neil Gorsuch would likely remain vacant, which would have been better for us. We wouldn't have an AG who is champing at the bit to unleash the attack on state-sanctioned medical and recreational MJ. And if HRC really would have instigated a conflict with Russia, as some claimed, it would have likely been less alarming than what seems possible in with regard to the North Korea situation.
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Old 12-02-2017, 03:46 AM
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Old 12-02-2017, 05:54 AM
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He also left out the Jill Stein voters.

From the left wing strategic point of view, it really shouldn't have mattered that HRC wasn't leftist enough, or that she had a private email server, or even that she didn't seem to have clear proposals for her administration should she have won. Most of what we are now seeing and ranting about would not be happening. There would be no cabinet of oppositionist and incompetent billionaires. We would not have the most regressive tax reform LAW in American history. The SCOTUS seat now occupied by Neil Gorsuch would likely remain vacant, which would have been better for us. We wouldn't have an AG who is champing at the bit to unleash the attack on state-sanctioned medical and recreational MJ. And if HRC really would have instigated a conflict with Russia, as some claimed, it would have likely been less alarming than what seems possible in with regard to the North Korea situation.
Yeah, but what about all of those e-mails?!?!?!?!?!?!
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Old 12-02-2017, 09:08 AM
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I emailed my congress critters and got some of my family to do so too. I hate the phone as I have hearing problems.

But I endorse this pitting. What the hell has happened to us?
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Old 12-02-2017, 09:57 AM
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Really looking forward to China's tenure as global superpower. No doubt in time they'll get as complacent as the UK, then the USA did, but I trust we all agree it's time for a change.
Same here. Internationally, that will be Trumps main legacy. He accelerated the process of China becoming the new global superpower. China would've become the new global superpower anyway, but under Trump the process is going to happen 5-10 years sooner than it would have otherwise.

I hope they are halfway benevolent. I know China is going to do a lot with science, technology, medicine, energy, etc. Hopefully they will help lift Africa out of poverty. But their indifference to western values is troubling. I hope the EU (and to a lesser degree the US) still standing up for western values continues to put pressure on other nations to do the right thing. I predict (could be wrong) that China's economic growth will drop to western levels when their per capita GDP is about 20k. Which means they'll have an economy about 25-30 trillion dollars. Big, but the US & EU combined is closer to 35-40 trillion. It'll be more a multipolar world than a unipolar one. The US, EU & China will be the 3 main superpowers.

But yes. America is sinking into dysfunctional white nationalism. We've always had white nationalism, but other than the civil war it never caused nationwide dysfunction. Ironically the civil war was a war fought for the interests of a tiny minority of wealthy business interests, but the masses viewed it as a battle over white nationalism. Same as what it happening today. The rank and file GOP voter has white nationalist tendencies, but the GOP party is pushing plutocratic economic interests. Sad. We've learned nothing in 150 year.s
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Old 12-02-2017, 10:14 AM
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Pfff...America's sinking into both oceans for sure, but that doesn't mean China's going to take over the entire world, either. They've got their own problems. Their environment is one problem; another is that their continued growth (or the mirage of it) depends in no small part on the success of stability of the United States, and our willingness to be a trading partner. Xi Jinping is a corrupt bully, and pretty much all of China's neighbors sleep with one eye open. I think what's more likely is that we're heading into a world with multiple competing powers, like the world from about 1890 to 1945.
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Old 12-02-2017, 10:17 AM
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Honest question. Is there an honest policy related reason why they vote on the tax bill past midnight?

Do they do it because they know it's unpopular? Is there another reason?
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Old 12-02-2017, 10:18 AM
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I think what's more likely is that we're heading into a world with multiple competing powers, like the world from about 1890 to 1945.
Gee, and that worked out so well last time!

(Snark not directed at you, but rather the current state of affairs. )

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Old 12-02-2017, 10:42 AM
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I'd be curious to know how many outraged people on this message board made calls to the senators who were fence riders who might vote against this piece of shit tax bill. Anyone? My wife and I called eight senators and left messages asking them to vote 'no' and giving reasons why. Anybody else? OP? If you don't make your voices heard, then just bend over and enjoy the ass-fucking.
You bet your sweet petootie I harangued my senator*, by phone, email, and snail mail (*the one who was on the fence, Ron Johnson, who alas went to he dark side in the end ó quelle surprise).

The OP is spot-on. The 30% of Americans who turn out to be drooling, gullible morons are most responsible for this tragedy, but the Bernie-or-bust idiots and I-just-wonít-vote-at-all ďindependentsĒ are nearly as culpable.
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Old 12-02-2017, 10:46 AM
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Honest question. Is there an honest policy related reason why they vote on the tax bill past midnight?

Do they do it because they know it's unpopular? Is there another reason?
No other reason (honest answer). Even a few of the drooling morons would start to turn against it if, you know, there were time to read the damned thing ó let alone, heck, maybe debate on the Senate floor, just a little, the most monumental economic policy shift in at least 30 years?
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Old 12-02-2017, 10:49 AM
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Off-topic...holy mackerel, watchwolf and wolfpup are different Dopers!
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Old 12-02-2017, 11:24 AM
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Honest question. Is there an honest policy related reason why they vote on the tax bill past midnight?

Do they do it because they know it's unpopular? Is there another reason?
They've paid back their mega donors, the bloviating right wing press, their wealthier and politically active constituents, and they might have succeeded in averting a political civil war within their own party. Steven Bannon's and his rag tag fascist army can still make noise - and they will - but it became a little harder to go after Mitch McConnell and whatever's left of the Establishment last night.

They will have a few years to figure out how to convince just enough voting Americans that cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare-related programs, and other public programs aren't really cuts. My guess is that the GOP and Trump collectively will gut federal bureaucracies so that less information will come out about the effects of these consequences. They'll use more governmental power to lean on media to censor reporting. And of course, when all else fails, suppress the vote in urban centers.
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Old 12-02-2017, 11:25 AM
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Environmental protections? Gone...Republicans won control of the entire government...The only congressional Democrats currently in the news are sexual predators.
On the positive side, demented hyperbole is alive and well.
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Old 12-02-2017, 12:02 PM
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I'd be curious to know how many outraged people on this message board made calls to the senators who were fence riders who might vote against this piece of shit tax bill. Anyone? My wife and I called eight senators and left messages asking them to vote 'no' and giving reasons why. Anybody else? OP? If you don't make your voices heard, then just bend over and enjoy the ass-fucking.
Nice ... do you honestly think that Merkley and Wyden would vote for this new tax bill? ... have those two ever broke ranks with the National Democrat Party? ... if either ever did, there'd be enough folks not rioting in the streets to get them recalled an voted out of office in Portland alone ... Merkley and Wyden are just the twin evil spokesmen of the Salem/Sacramento axis of EVIL ...

Doubly double-crossed I say ...

Portland has TWO congresscritters all to themselves while we have to share just one with them damn freaktoids up in the PRE ...

Don't forget to run to your doctor's office TODAY to ask him if Genotinacia™ is the right choice for you ... your doctor has nothing better to do than to remind you that you don't have leprosy ... but for the 25% kickback, here's a half dozen prescriptions anyway ... just to be safe, right? ... because bleeding out your asshole is a small price to pay to make sure your doctor doesn't get sued for malpractice ...

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OP, you raise valid points, it's just unfortunate that you undermine them with such broad-brush rhetoric. Perhaps I can clarify my own position by responding to this idiot ... [snip]
This from someone who doesn't vote for their Head-of-State ... that's an inherited position in Canada ... her only qualification is that her father was your Head-of-State ... that's just sad, so medieval, so backwards ... a government that exists solely by permission of the English Parliament ... kneel to your rightful overlords, suckers, we stand for our National Anthem because a free people kneels to nothin' ...

North Carolina alone has won more Stanley Cups than all of Canada put together in the last 25 years ... just pathetic ...

But Canadians are brave, that's for sure ... just look at how scarred up all your maple trees are ... takes balls to knife attack a plant, must be hell chasing them down, eh? ...have a sap-slurping good time for me will ya ...

North Dakota winters are catastrophically mild for Canada ... I guess I'd think that too if I had to politely wait two weeks at every 4-way stop sign panicking that someone within a hundred miles has a gun ...

You young puppies don't remember starvation in West Virginia and Kentucky ... colored folk getting lynch in Alabama and Georgia ... you've never heard of Jeffrey Miller, Allison Krause, William Schroeder, or Sandra Scheuer ... better an inept Federal Government than one that usurps our liberties ... you young-uns just don't know how good you have it today, bunch of entitled snowflakes ... you're poor because you're stupid is all ... the stupid have always been poor in this country ... your scared gods of liberalism are ripping you off blind ... the rich have been kicking the middle class in thew nuts for over 400 years and the best the middle class can come up with is "Thank you, sir, may I please have another" generation after generation ... just sad ...

And you can be the first ones on your block
To have your boy come home in a box.


We ran out of boxes and had to start using bags ... was that really better than today? ...

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Old 12-02-2017, 12:07 PM
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Right. So what are Chefguy and Czarcasm going on about?
They had contacted senators not their own who seemed to be "on the fence" about the situation to complain about the tax bill in the hope that their comments might influence their vote, because people like to feel that they have a positive influence, and its hard to accept in the modern United States, it's next to impossible for an individual citizen to really influence government policy.
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Old 12-02-2017, 12:11 PM
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... have those two ever broke ranks with the National Democrat Party? ...
What is this "National Democrat Party" you speak of? I can't seem to find any links to the group via the interwebs-Perhaps your spellcheck failed?
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Old 12-02-2017, 12:13 PM
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Don't forget to run to your doctor's office TODAY to ask him if Genotinaciaô is the right choice for you ... your doctor has nothing better to do than to remind you that you don't have leprosy ... but for the 25% kickback, here's a half dozen prescriptions anyway ... just to be safe, right? ... because bleeding out your asshole is a small price to pay to make sure your doctor doesn't get sued for malpractice ...
I snipped almost all of this, but what the ever-loving-fuck are you talking about?

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Off-topic...holy mackerel, watchwolf and wolfpup are different Dopers!
Good lord, yes they are. Ellipses, Ellipses, everywhere.
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Old 12-02-2017, 12:17 PM
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Honest question. Is there an honest policy related reason why they vote on the tax bill past midnight?

Do they do it because they know it's unpopular? Is there another reason?
They submitted the final version of the bill only a few hours before the vote was scheduled. That kept opponents from having enough time to read it and raise issues over its flaws.

The final tax bill Democrats got from Republicans is covered in handwritten notes ó and senators are complaining it's unreadable
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They submitted the final version of the bill only a few hours before the vote was scheduled. That kept opponents from having enough time to read it and raise issues over its flaws.

The final tax bill Democrats got from Republicans is covered in handwritten notes ó and senators are complaining it's unreadable
Ah, great. Thanks!

I'm not really sure where to start, to be honest. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt in these things, it's getting tough.
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Post #32 is like some kind of bad acid trip.
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Okay, so it's not just me then.
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Nice ... do you honestly think that Merkley and Wyden would vote for this new tax bill? ... have those two ever broke ranks with the National Democrat Party? ... if either ever did, there'd be enough folks not rioting in the streets to get them recalled an voted out of office in Portland alone ... Merkley and Wyden are just the twin evil spokesmen of the Salem/Sacramento axis of EVIL ...

Doubly double-crossed I say ...

Portland has TWO congresscritters all to themselves while we have to share just one with them damn freaktoids up in the PRE ...

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Of course not, which is why we didn't call them. We called Corker, Murkowski, Collins, McCain, Johnson, and others.

As for non-constituents contacting congress types: They don't screen phone calls, and there is no requirement to state who you are or where you live unless you want an actual reply. If you use the contact form online, you do have to give your name, address, phone number, and if you're not a constituent, it will be discarded.

For those who think it does no good: how much good does it do to do NOTHING? This is what you've been conditioned to think, because an inactive and ignorant population is easily manipulated. So go ahead and sit on your hands, do nothing and bitch about what's happening in Washington. Just don't expect anything to change.
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I'd be curious to know how many outraged people on this message board made calls to the senators who were fence riders who might vote against this piece of shit tax bill. Anyone? My wife and I called eight senators and left messages asking them to vote 'no' and giving reasons why. Anybody else?
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You have got to be a Democrat. Oh well, it's nice that you took the time to call all of those Senators, but you are only entitled to two. Same as everyone else. Did you remember to include the Senators from your own state? They are the only ones who are obligated to listen to you. The rest have their own constituents to worry about.
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You have got to be a Democrat. Oh well, it's nice that you took the time to call all of those Senators, but you are only entitled to two. Same as everyone else. Did you remember to include the Senators from your own state? They are the only ones who are obligated to listen to you. The rest have their own constituents to worry about.
Fucking wanker.
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That's some mighty fine kind bud in northeast Alberta!
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You have got to be a Democrat. Oh well, it's nice that you took the time to call all of those Senators, but you are only entitled to two. Same as everyone else. Did you remember to include the Senators from your own state? They are the only ones who are obligated to listen to you. The rest have their own constituents to worry about.
Hahaha. When did poster doorhinge become the police of which Senators other Americans are allowed to call?
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A majority of the people voted for the opposition candidate. So, how does that make it the fault of the people of the United States? I'd go with it being the system and the people in certain states instead.
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... Merkley and Wyden are just the twin evil spokesmen of the Salem/Sacramento axis of EVIL ...
You left out Olympia, you drooling moron. The Axis Powers of the Pacific Coast will destroy your idiot kind in the end. Be afraid.
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Fucking wanker.
Now don't be like that. I'm assuming doorhinge is guessing on your probable political affiliation based on the fact that you care about the well-being of the country, understand the issues, and sought to improve the situation in a rational manner.
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It doesn't matter that Trump is president instead of Hillary. We'd be just as fucked either way. If Hillary was prez, we'd see the same thing from the GOP that we saw for 8 years under Obama. No idea how to govern, just say no to everything. Do you really think if Hillary had been elected we'd have a liberal on the SCOTUS now as Scalia's replacement? Hell no, they'd just find some other reason to block it, along with all the other judicial appointments, and we'd probably still be having monthly hearings on Benghazi and her emails. The only consolation (and it's not much) is that the GOP is now completely in charge of driving this car off the cliff. But you know what? It doesn't matter to voters. They're like the kids screaming in the back seat of the car in that Hyundai commercial where the dad is so distracted he just about plows into the back of a truck, if it wasn't for his trusty collision detection system. Are the kids at all freaked out about almost losing their lives in a fatal collision? No, they think it was cool! "Do it again, dad!" Stupid voters.
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It doesn't matter that Trump is president instead of Hillary. We'd be just as fucked either way. If Hillary was prez, we'd see the same thing from the GOP that we saw for 8 years under Obama. No idea how to govern, just say no to everything. Do you really think if Hillary had been elected we'd have a liberal on the SCOTUS now as Scalia's replacement? Hell no, they'd just find some other reason to block it, along with all the other judicial appointments, and we'd probably still be having monthly hearings on Benghazi and her emails. The only consolation (and it's not much) is that the GOP is now completely in charge of driving this car off the cliff. But you know what? It doesn't matter to voters. They're like the kids screaming in the back seat of the car in that Hyundai commercial where the dad is so distracted he just about plows into the back of a truck, if it wasn't for his trusty collision detection system. Are the kids at all freaked out about almost losing their lives in a fatal collision? No, they think it was cool! "Do it again, dad!" Stupid voters.
Even the status quo would be preferable to this.

This past year has been such a disaster that I donít think Iíll ever vote for a Republican again for any reason. Not a single principle I have in common with any Republican is worth any of this. Iím done with them. Iíve been done with them for a long time, but I always thought there would be a chance that they would start making sense and become decent human beings. Not any more. If they do anything right it is completely by accident.

That said, Democrats, if you run another Goddamn Clinton you wonít have my vote, either.
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Even the status quo would be preferable to this.

This past year has been such a disaster that I donít think Iíll ever vote for a Republican again for any reason. Not a single principle I have in common with any Republican is worth any of this. Iím done with them. Iíve been done with them for a long time, but I always thought there would be a chance that they would start making sense and become decent human beings. Not any more. If they do anything right it is completely by accident.

That said, Democrats, if you run another Goddamn Clinton you wonít have my vote, either.
I consider myself a moderate. Left leaning because I do support social programs. And progress. I guess that makes me a dirty progressive.

No big fan of Hillary, but at least she wouldn't have deliberately driven the bus off the cliff. No. No that's not quite the right representation of Trump. He's just an idiot (downgraded from moron) that has absolutely no idea how to drive. And he's in 'charge'.

There is a bus full of republican congress critters that could drag him out of the drivers seat but they care more about themselves than the offices they hold. Fuck the bunch of craven bastards.

This is such a mess, I'll probably never vote republican just out of principle.

I would have voted for Kasich.
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