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Christmas Carols that really aren't


There are a lot of Christmas songs in the rotation. Some are fun, some are inspiring some are just bad (Christmas shoes). But theere are a number which really arent about Christmas at all.

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Mentions "My Favorite Things" which is not only not Christmas, but not even exclusivly winter.

Winter Wonderland
is winter, but not Christmas.
Jingle Bells same.
Let it Snow- same
Baby it's Cold Outside (Best version is Deano's) same.

Frosty? Same.

Odd isnt it? Can we think of more?
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Jingle Bells same.
Actually written for Thanksgiving.
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There's the classic answer: Greg Lake's "I Believe In Father Christmas".

Not a Christmas song even though it references the holiday.
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Do You Hear what I Hear?
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Umm, what? That one's about the birth of Jesus.
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I'm gonna say Lucy and Linus, the Peanuts theme.
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Actually written for Thanksgiving.
(Johnny Carson) " I did not know that."
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Umm, what? That one's about the birth of Jesus.
Atomic war, more like.
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Atomic war, more like.
Okay. Please link to your version.
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Well, yes it is is Christmas song but also a plea for Peace.
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Atomic war, more like.
But it clearly references the Christmas story to make its point.
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Sleigh Ride. Originally an instrumental, but the lyrics added later make no mention of Christmas.
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Pachelbel's Canon in D (or as my son said before an elementary school holiday concert, "Taco Bell Cannon") is commonly used as Christmas music (probably thanks to George Winston and the Trans-Siberian Orchestra).
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The Hallelujah Chorus is an Easter song.
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If "Do You Hear what I Hear" were about the Christmas story, then what the King said to the people everywhere would have been "Let us kill all the boys under two years old just to be sure". I mean, it'd have been nice if the King had brought him silver and gold and prayed for peace, but that's not the way the Bible tells it.

What about songs about the accoutrements of Christmas ("Silver Bells", "It's Beginning to Look Like Christmas", all of the Santa songs)-- Are we counting those?
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Winter Wonderland is winter, but not Christmas.
Jingle Bells same.
Let it Snow- same
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Frosty? Same.
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Sleigh Ride. Originally an instrumental, but the lyrics added later make no mention of Christmas.
I think Jingle Bell Rock also belongs on this list.

I find it odd that so many popular "Christmas" songs not only have nothing to do with Christmas, but they celebrate sleigh rides and sleigh bells, which I suspect are not part of the actual experience of the vast majority of us listeners.

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What about songs about the accoutrements of Christmas ("Silver Bells", "It's Beginning to Look Like Christmas", all of the Santa songs)-- Are we counting those?
I think those count as Christmas songs, albeit secular ones. But Home for the Holidays never actually specifies which holidays, does it? Obviously the War On Christmas at work there.

Purists might distinguish between Christmas carols and those for Advent, or Epiphany, but I don't.
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Yeah, the only place I see anyone making a fuss about Advent vs. Christmas vs. Epiphany is in the church hymnal, where they're in three different sections. I can't really bring myself to be upset at someone singing "We Three Kings" in early December, or "O Come Emmanuel" in January. Well, OK, I'm a little bit upset at the magi being misrepresented as kings, but that's just a personal pet peeve.
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Does Christmas with the Devil count?
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I think those count as Christmas songs, albeit secular ones. But Home for the Holidays never actually specifies which holidays, does it? Obviously the War On Christmas at work there.
Well, the man who came from Tennessee was heading for Pennsylvania for some homemade pumpkin pie, so that narrows it down to Christmas or Thanksgiving.
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Actually written for Thanksgiving.
Coulda sworn (evidently incorrectly) that Santa was mentioned, and when I googled the lyrics I came across this second verse:

A day or two ago
I thought I'd take a ride
And soon, Miss Fanny Bright
Was seated by my side
The horse was lean and lank
Misfortune seemed his lot
He got into a drifted bank
And then we got upsot


I never knew that verse existed.

And then, digging a little further, another site showed me yet a third chorus:

Sleighing back on course
Nursing open wounds
Drinking till we puke
Watch out for the cops
Power cable falls
Cuts my friend's head off
And then I spilled the Jack Daniels
All down my Cleveland Browns jersey.
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If "Do You Hear what I Hear" were about the Christmas story, then what the King said to the people everywhere would have been "Let us kill all the boys under two years old just to be sure". I mean, it'd have been nice if the King had brought him silver and gold and prayed for peace, but that's not the way the Bible tells it.
Then that's where you are mistaken.

It is not a literal retelling of the Christmas story. Not everything in the world is meant to be taken literally. It uses the Christmas images, which means it's a Christmas song.
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If "Do You Hear what I Hear" were about the Christmas story, then what the King said to the people everywhere would have been "Let us kill all the boys under two years old just to be sure". I mean, it'd have been nice if the King had brought him silver and gold and prayed for peace, but that's not the way the Bible tells it.
Maybe they had one of the 'We Three Kings' in mind? Which would be inaccurate in a different way, but more Christmassy.
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If "Do You Hear what I Hear" were about the Christmas story, then what the King said to the people everywhere would have been "Let us kill all the boys under two years old just to be sure". I mean, it'd have been nice if the King had brought him silver and gold and prayed for peace, but that's not the way the Bible tells it.
The song does not specify WHICH king.
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Isaac Watts wrote Joy to the World specifically for Easter. Go figure.
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Dolly Parton's "Hard Candy Christmas". It's got a Christmas reference and vibe, but it wasn't specifically written as a Christmas song.
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I have heard instrumental versions of "Jesu, Joy of Man's Delivering" played alongside (other) Christmas carols. That's fine because it's about Jesus and all, though not specifically about Christmas as far as I can tell.

But sometimes it's paired with an instrumental taken from another Bach cantata, "Sheep May Safely Graze." Now I know Jesus is often compared to a shepherd, but that song actually has nothing to do with JC. The lyrics are from a poem about good secular government and features characters from Roman mythology.
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I generally separate the Christmas "carols" (songs about the Christmas story in some way) from Christmas/Winter songs (songs that reference the holiday, or the season, but don't center on the story of the birth of Christ). But since I sing in an Episcopal church choir, I have a LOT of "carols" that no one else would sing on my iTunes. I generally eschew the typical FM radio station playing 24 hours a day of "Christmas music", which tends to avoid anything really sacred, with one or two exceptions ("Mary Did You Know" and other, similar songs tend to get modern treatments).

I think the iconic Christmas song that isn't really about the religious holiday has to be "White Christmas". It really should be titled "White Christmastime".
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I think the iconic Christmas song that isn't really about the religious holiday has to be "White Christmas". It really should be titled "White Christmastime".
The original opening, which is hardly ever used these days, has the line "But it's December the 24th/and I'm longing to be up north."

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Just looked at the lyrics of Do You Hear What I Hear?" It may be a plea for peace, but it is seems to be doing so by saying "It's Christmastime, which is a time for peace. So pray for peace everyone!" Looking it up on Wikipedia, it was explicitly commissioned to be a Christmas song. In fact, it may be one of the few carols written in modern times.

(I likewise distinguish Christmas carols, which are sacred in nature and hymn-like, from Christmas songs, which are usually more secularly focused and written more in the style of the day.)
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Sleigh Ride. Originally an instrumental, but the lyrics added later make no mention of Christmas.
In some versions it does..."there's a Christmas party at the home of Farmer Gray". In others, it's "there's a birthday party at the home of Farmer Gray." I'm not sure which is the original lyric.

As for what they do at the good farmer's abode....I for one have been to many Christmas (and birthday) gatherings. Never once have I passed around coffee and pumpkin pie.
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I've listened to this three times in a row, and can't figure out what it has to do with Christmas.


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As for carols written in modern times, my favorite is the "Candlelight Carol", written in 1984 by John Rutter.

Here's a performance of the piece by The Cambridge Singers, Rutter's own group.
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The Hallelujah Chorus is an Easter song.
OK, I've read the lyrics, but there isn't any mention of the bunny.
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As for carols written in modern times, my favorite is the "Candlelight Carol", written in 1984 by John Rutter.

Here's a performance of the piece by The Cambridge Singers, Rutter's own group.
I like "Candlelight Carol" a lot (though Neil Diamond somewhat damaged it for me), but my favorite Rutter carol is "Angels' Carol" (awesome one to sing in a choir as well as hear).

I am on a computer that can't access Youtube right now, so I hope this is a decent version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFap2kKQQrk
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OK, I've read the lyrics, but there isn't any mention of the bunny.
The Messiah is a three-part oratio. "Hallelujah" is in part two, which is about the Passion and Resurrection along with the spread of early Christianity. To call it about Easter isn't quite right, but it's definitely not about Christmas.
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I have heard instrumental versions of "Jesu, Joy of Man's Delivering" <snip>
It's "Desiring," but you knew that.

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If "Do You Hear what I Hear" were about the Christmas story, then what the King said to the people everywhere would have been "Let us kill all the boys under two years old just to be sure". I mean, it'd have been nice if the King had brought him silver and gold and prayed for peace, but that's not the way the Bible tells it.
The Bible also tells the visit by the magi to be a some time afterwards (it takes a while to travel 'from the East' to Jerusalem after all), so I don't think that level of accuracy is required .
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Atomic war, more like.
No, that's Christmas at Ground Zero (the Weird Al version, not anything 9-11 related)
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I've listened to this three times in a row, and can't figure out what it has to do with Christmas.

What the heck is that, and who even claims it has anything to do with Christmas? I (obviously) didn't listen to the whole thing, but so far as I can tell, it's just an hour-long loop of four bars of guitar repeated ad nauseum.

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What the heck is that, and who even claims it has anything to do with Christmas? I (obviously) didn't listen to the whole thing, but so far as I can tell, it's just an hour-long loop of four bars of guitar repeated ad nauseum.
It’s an instrumental cover of a Velvet Underground song. It’s not a loop, either. It’s played all the way through and the song builds and progresses, with the same chordal drone underneath. Pretty cool if you’re into noisy psychedelia. I’ve never heard it before, but I’m really diggin it. (And I think Gato’s Christmas comment was them making a funny.)

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Good King Wenceslas. It says he looked out "on the feast of Stephen." That's on St. Stephen's Day, December 26th.
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"Here We Come A Wassailing" - the lyrics refer to the new year, but nothing about Christmas. Unless, and this seems like a stretch to me, you insist that "wassailing" was the practice of going from house to house boozing it up and singing carols.

There's nothing about Christmas or Jesus in "Good King Wenceslas" either, though there is snow, and lots of it. Fails my heart, I know not how. The closest is the very last verse: "Therefore, Christian men, be sure / Wealth or rank possessing / He who now will bless the poor / Shall himself find blessing."
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"Here We Come A Wassailing" - the lyrics refer to the new year, but nothing about Christmas. Unless, and this seems like a stretch to me, you insist that "wassailing" was the practice of going from house to house boozing it up and singing carols.

There's nothing about Christmas or Jesus in "Good King Wenceslas" either, though there is snow, and lots of it. Fails my heart, I know not how. The closest is the very last verse: "Therefore, Christian men, be sure / Wealth or rank possessing / He who now will bless the poor / Shall himself find blessing."
Indeed, wassailing was going door to door asking for alms, booze or food during the Christmas season by caroling.

Good King does occur on Saint Stephen's Day, Dec 26th.
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OK, I've read the lyrics, but there isn't any mention of the bunny.
Who do you think "the Lord God omnipotent" refers to?
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