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Old 11-13-2000, 09:25 AM
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I read about this in another thread, thinking it was a joke.

I have found this: http://www.flat-earth.org

Are these guys for real? Surely this is a parody site. One of the things on their FAQ says that "The earth could be riding on a big turtle" and that "Australia probably doesn't exist".

This isn't a SERIOUS site is it?
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Old 11-13-2000, 10:59 AM
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That site appears to be fake, but there really is a Flat Earth Society. They are the most extreme of creation scientists, holding that the Earth is disc-shaped in keeping with the account in Genesis. There aren't many of them. I believe they're based out of San Diego.
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Old 11-13-2000, 12:23 PM
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I think they are real. Cecil mentions them in a number of his articles, such as here:

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_087.html
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Old 11-13-2000, 12:29 PM
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I think they are real. Cecil mentions them in a number of his articles, such as here:

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_087.html

I also think they are just devout skeptics, not religious radicals but I don't know.
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Old 11-13-2000, 01:05 PM
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Indeed they are real. That site you mention is a parody, but there is a group called the Flat Earth Research Society that does hold the Earth is flat. Here's an good article about them. I also believe the talk.origins archive has some info on them, too.'
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Old 11-13-2000, 02:33 PM
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The "earth riding on a big turtle" has a basis, though. It's the belief of a primitive religion located in...um. Ah, I forget, but it is real. (The belief, not the turtle.) This was, of course, the basis for Pratchett's Discworld novels.
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Old 11-13-2000, 03:25 PM
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The "earth riding on a big turtle" has a basis, though. It's the belief of a primitive religion located in...um. Ah, I forget, but it is real. (The belief, not the turtle.)
Nevertheless . . . the Turtle Moves!

I'd understood that the earth turtle was a belief among the early Hebrews and probably some other peoples as well.

As far as that flat earth website, how many people here remember this guy:

Bret Jolly (Bo'-ret Tro Ly) Mathemagus LA Platygaean Society

I wonder what happened to him...
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Old 11-13-2000, 04:18 PM
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I don't recall where I read it, but somewhere, there's one of these "Flat Earth" societies that take it a step farther into the incredible.

They believe that the earth is hollow and the whole universe exists INSIDE this sphere that's some 8000 miles in diameter. The "surface" of (the inside) of this sphere is our planet earth, but going "up" or towards the center is heading out into space. *shrug*

I don't understand how they explain doppler red-shift and how the Universe is expanding, but this is what they believe. I'll try to find a cite or a webpage for these people.
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Old 11-13-2000, 04:25 PM
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Here's a link to an old Omni article that covers it. Pretty weird if you ask me!

Hollow Earth
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Old 11-13-2000, 05:10 PM
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I was actually going to join that society just for sheer entertainment value, but they charge membership dues that I couldn't afford... I bet that a lot of their membership is made up of people who enjoy reading the schlock they put out for the humor value.
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Old 11-13-2000, 07:24 PM
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it's true

A number of years ago, maybe 12 or 15, I had a student who became fascinated with the idea. She poked around and found an address from Newsweek magazine, and contacted them. "They" were a guy who sent out a newsletter that, as I remember, was full of pseudoscientific sounding stuff, mixed with fundamentalist religious claptrap. It was also riddled with grammatical and mechanical errors. The society based its claims on biblical references, plus "obvious" scientific evidence such as the fact that the water in the oceans is clearly flat, so the earth can't possibly be round. The politics of the society were also reactionary (duh!) in resonnance with the scientific theories they promoted. But it was, indeed, a real organization. In a letter that accompanied the newsletter, the guy cautioned my student to be careful of folks like teachers who might try to change her mind. (Little did he know that the kid already had a mind of her own and wasn't about to succumb to his bizarre notions.)
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Old 11-13-2000, 07:43 PM
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I don't recall where I read it, but somewhere, there's one of these "Flat Earth" societies that take it a step farther into the incredible.

They believe that the earth is hollow and the whole universe exists INSIDE this sphere that's some 8000 miles in diameter. The "surface" of (the inside) of this sphere is our planet earth, but going "up" or towards the center is heading out into space. *shrug*

I don't understand how they explain doppler red-shift and how the Universe is expanding, but this is what they believe. I'll try to find a cite or a webpage for these people.
I believe the original proponent of this worldview was Cyrus Reed Teed. Martin Gardner trashed him rather harshly (said Teed was terrified at the thought of an infinite universe and so turned the entire world into a giant womb) in his first anti-psuedoscience book, Fads and Fallacies in the Name of Science. Definitely a good read.

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