Should 'same sex kiss' be in yearbook

[Weird_AL_Einstein]

Originally posted by ssj_man2k
That was probably the most intelligent thing i've ever heard on this board.

Thanks ssj I try my best.

Originally posted by Zette


We have an entire forum for that called MPSIMS. In it, one can start a thread called "Hot Lesbo action and why I love it".

Well, perhaps I will Like I said I wasn't sure if that was apprpriate. I just really wanted to reply to some of the things that had been said here.

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[ssj_man2k]

Zette, i beleive Einstein made alot of good statements that had only to do with the debate. He never said he wanted to see hot lesbo action.

If we did disagree on something, i would post on it.

[Darqangelle]

Originally posted by andygirl
It's not just the two girls who will be involved in this- it's their families, the school, the community, and basically everyone else who chooses to be involved.

even if it's none of their G@¤ D@M\ED Business...

God Bless America :Rolleyes:

[ssj_man2k]

heh, amen to that.

[Lamia]

Originally posted by ssj_man2k
heh, amen to that.

Amen to what? The idea that people should mind their own business when it comes to other people's sex lives? Sort of like how andygirl and I would like other people to keep their noses (and other parts of their anatomy) out of the sex lives of lesbians, an idea that you disagreed with just a few posts ago?

[Weird_AL_Einstein]

Originally posted by Lamia

Amen to what? The idea that people should mind their own business when it comes to other people's sex lives? Sort of like how andygirl and I would like other people to keep their noses (and other parts of their anatomy) out of the sex lives of lesbians, an idea that you disagreed with just a few posts ago?

Well. I wasn't going to post to this thread anymore, but geez Lamia, does the bug up your butt have a bug up it's butt? Your attitude verges on puritanical. Is it ever ok to discuss sex, or sexual feelings?

Has anyone in this thread asked you or andygirl or anyone else an innapropriate personal question? Did you read my previous post at all? Do you really find a simple statement like "lesbians turn me on" to be a personal affront?

[Chocobo]

Originally posted by Weird_AL_Einstein

Sexual feelings don't have "reasons". They just are.

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There is no "reason why" a straight man has feelings of sexual attraction to women. He just does. It is part of who he is.

Ooh! Ooh! I can think of one! You know, that one little itty bitty thing...continuing the species? How animals are driven to propagate, so they don't vanish off the face of the Earth? I'll bet you sure are glad your parents were 'attracted to each other for no reason'.

Back on the topic, personally, I don't mind seeing people kiss in the hallway, provided they're not sticking their tongues down each other's throats. A quick peck to say hello or goodbye is fine. And at my school, technically there's no public displays of affection, but no one really enforces it.

[Weird_AL_Einstein]

Originally posted by Chocobo

Ooh! Ooh! I can think of one! You know, that one little itty bitty thing...continuing the species? How animals are driven to propagate, so they don't vanish off the face of the Earth?

That's not a reason. You're just pushing the question back a level. Why should we continue the species? From a philosophical standpoint, there is no logical reason for it; it is, like sex itself, just something we really want. From a practical standpoint, there are plenty of people, environmentalists and such, who would argue that there are already way too many of our particular species on this planet.

Furthermore, neither I nor anyone I know have ever had sex for the express or implied purpose of continuing the species. In fact, when I have had sex it has been with the simultaneous purpose of avoiding...ummmm..."continuing the species", as it were.

Also, by singling out heterosexual sex as having a special value not accorded to other kinds of sex, you are being Politically Incorrect, and I am surprised no one on this board has called you on it.

[Lamia]

Originally posted by Weird_AL_Einstein

Well. I wasn't going to post to this thread anymore, but geez Lamia, does the bug up your butt have a bug up it's butt? Your attitude verges on puritanical. Is it ever ok to discuss sex, or sexual feelings?

Has anyone in this thread asked you or andygirl or anyone else an innapropriate personal question? Did you read my previous post at all? Do you really find a simple statement like "lesbians turn me on" to be a personal affront?

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I don't believe that I or andygirl have said anything about people talking about sex in general, or even asking people questions about their sex lives. What I have a problem with is men who act like lesbians were put on earth for their personal entertainment. There are many circumstances where it is okay to discuss sex or sexual feelings, but I do not think it is ever okay or even remotely acceptable to ask a stranger or casual aquaintance if you can watch her and her girlfriend have sex. What I find to be a "personal affront" is the idea that any woman known to be attracted to other women deserves to be subjected to that sort of treatment, an idea which your little friend quite clearly expressed earlier in this thread. So don't you dare try to twist this around into a bunch of uptight dykes not wanting anyone to think about sex.

[Weird_AL_Einstein]

Originally posted by Lamia

I don't believe that I or andygirl have said anything about people talking about sex in general, or even asking people questions about their sex lives. What I have a problem with is men who act like lesbians were put on earth for their personal entertainment. There are many circumstances where it is okay to discuss sex or sexual feelings, but I do not think it is ever okay or even remotely acceptable to ask a stranger or casual aquaintance if you can watch her and her girlfriend have sex. What I find to be a "personal affront" is the idea that any woman known to be attracted to other women deserves to be subjected to that sort of treatment, an idea which your little friend quite clearly expressed earlier in this thread. So don't you dare try to twist this around into a bunch of uptight dykes not wanting anyone to think about sex.

*Sigh* Ok, first off, I never used the word "dyke" in any of my posts, and for you to even imply that I have is crude.

Second, you say: "I don't believe that I...have said anything about people talking about sex in general, or even asking people questions about their sex lives."

Yet, just a few posts ago you said: "I don't think it's really necessary for there to be "man, I'd love to see that!" comments at any allusion to physical involvement between two women."

The phrase "man, I'd love to see that!" sounds like a pretty innocuous "sex in general" type comment to me. It is not even a question, much less a question to you about your own personal sex life. Yet you take offense at it.

Also, in another post, you said "...I would like other people to keep their noses (and other parts of their anatomy) out of the sex lives of lesbians..." which would seem to contradict the part in the last post where you said "...or even asking people questions about their sex lives."

So which is it? Is it rude for us to ask you questions about your sex life, or not, bearing in mind that none of us actually have?

Third, you said: "...I do not think it is ever okay or even remotely acceptable to ask a stranger or casual aquaintance if you can watch her and her girlfriend have sex." Has anyone in this thread, or on this board for that matter, made such a request of you?

Finally, you said: "What I find to be a "personal affront" is the idea that any woman known to be attracted to other women deserves to be subjected to that sort of treatment, an idea which your little friend quite clearly expressed earlier in this thread."

I believe he said something to the effect that women kissing each other in public might reasonably expect to be gawked at and/or propositioned, to which I added that anyone kissing in public is likely looking for attention anyway.

Neither of us ever said or implied that "...any woman known to be attracted to other women deserves to be subjected to that sort of treatment..." Remember, this whole thread got started as a debate about a public display of affection, and reactions to it.

One more thing. I have never met my "little friend" in person. For all I know he is a 6'6" linebacker.

[Lamia]

Originally posted by Weird_AL_Einstein

*Sigh* Ok, first off, I never used the word "dyke" in any of my posts, and for you to even imply that I have is crude.

Second, you say: "I don't believe that I...have said anything about people talking about sex in general, or even asking people questions about their sex lives."

Yet, just a few posts ago you said: "I don't think it's really necessary for there to be "man, I'd love to see that!" comments at any allusion to physical involvement between two women."

The phrase "man, I'd love to see that!" sounds like a pretty innocuous "sex in general" type comment to me. It is not even a question, much less a question to you about your own personal sex life. Yet you take offense at it.

It might be an innocuous "sex in general" comment in a general conversation about sex. As a generic response to any allusion to lesbianism, or to what was supposed to be a "Great Debate" about censorship in a high school yearbook, it is inappropriate. I believe Zette has already dealt with this.

Also, in another post, you said "...I would like other people to keep their noses (and other parts of their anatomy) out of the sex lives of lesbians..." which would seem to contradict the part in the last post where you said "...or even asking people questions about their sex lives."

So which is it? Is it rude for us to ask you questions about your sex life, or not, bearing in mind that none of us actually have?

Yes, it is rude to grill people about their sex lives. But despite the rudeness of such an act I never said anything about simple questions about other people's behavior, which however rude they may be, might be motivated by genuine intellectual curiosity. No one here has objected to any such thing. The closest anyone came to it was Janie, who said "When is it EVER appropriate to question ANYONE else so explicitly about their sexuality and sexual activities?", and note the qualifier "so explicitly".

The questions I really object to are questions like "Can I watch you have sex?" or "How about you have sex with me and my girlfriend?" These are questions that are never appropriate for a stranger or casual acquaintance, and are rarely appropriate even for someone you have a close relationship with.

Third, you said: "...I do not think it is ever okay or even remotely acceptable to ask a stranger or casual aquaintance if you can watch her and her girlfriend have sex." Has anyone in this thread, or on this board for that matter, made such a request of you?

According to ssj_man2k any lesbian or bisexual woman should expect it as a reasonable consequence to her failure to remain in the closet. Unless of course she lives in the South, in which case she should expect to be murdered instead.

Finally, you said: "What I find to be a "personal affront" is the idea that any woman known to be attracted to other women deserves to be subjected to that sort of treatment, an idea which your little friend quite clearly expressed earlier in this thread."

I believe he said something to the effect that women kissing each other in public might reasonably expect to be gawked at and/or propositioned, to which I added that anyone kissing in public is likely looking for attention anyway.

They might well be expecting to be stared at. Or perhaps they just got caught up in the moment. But I am quite certain that of all the people who have ever kissed in public, precious few did so hoping they they would receive sexual invitations from strangers because of it. As I said earlier, it seems to me that people kissing in public would be less likely to welcome such attention than others, since they are after all making a public show of their romantic attachment to each other. I doubt if anyone seriously believes that heterosexual couples who kiss in public should expect to be propositioned because of it.

Neither of us ever said or implied that "...any woman known to be attracted to other women deserves to be subjected to that sort of treatment..." Remember, this whole thread got started as a debate about a public display of affection, and reactions to it.

You might not have said or implied it; he did. I don't have any problem with you here, except for your attempts to misrepresent your opposition. I don't understand why you feel the need to defend ssj_man2k's remarks, or what you hope to accomplish by doing so. He's the only one who knows what he really meant, and if he can't explain himself then I hardly see how you can succeed where he failed.

[Weird_AL_Einstein]

Originally posted by Lamia

It might be an innocuous "sex in general" comment in a general conversation about sex. As a generic response to any allusion to lesbianism, or to what was supposed to be a "Great Debate" about censorship in a high school yearbook, it is inappropriate. I believe Zette has already dealt with this.

There's a difference between finding something innapropriate and taking personal offense at it. It seemed to me you were taking such comments quite personally. In any case, while I am still relatively new here, I have seen worse examples of thread hijacking than this, even in GD.

Originally posted by Lamia

The questions I really object to are questions like "Can I watch you have sex?" or "How about you have sex with me and my girlfriend?" These are questions that are never appropriate for a stranger or casual acquaintance, and are rarely appropriate even for someone you have a close relationship with.

Once again, I feel I must point out that no one here has asked you anything like this.

Originally posted by Lamia

According to ssj_man2k any lesbian or bisexual woman should expect it as a reasonable consequence to her failure to remain in the closet.

Again I remind you of the OP. We were talking about two women not merely "out of the closet" but kissing each other in public.

Originally posted by Lamia


They might well be expecting to be stared at. Or perhaps they just got caught up in the moment. But I am quite certain that of all the people who have ever kissed in public, precious few did so hoping they they would receive sexual invitations from strangers because of it.
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I doubt if anyone seriously believes that heterosexual couples who kiss in public should expect to be propositioned because of it.

I can't really say, as I've never done it. If it were on, say, a city street corner I wouldn't too surprised. All kinds of...ummmm..."unusual" people in the big city.

Originally posted by Lamia

You might not have said or implied it; he did.

Again I remind you, we were talking about two women kissing each other in public, not "...any woman known to be attracted to other women..." (emphasis on "any woman" added by me).