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When will they admit to having an anti-gravity plane?

If someday you look up into the sky and see a strange looking, triangular UFO with a round orb in the center, dont freak. Its not aliens. Its the advanced TR-3B aircraft. I believe they call it the ASTRA.



Yes, the Air Force has a working plane which has uses anti gravity to fly. What I'm reading is the TR-3B uses rotating magnetic coils powered by a nuclear engine which reduce about 87% of weight.


Some say it can even fly into space. Well that might be a little much because even if it can fly into space it must then fly back thru the atmosphere where heat from atmospheric friction causes problems.


Its pretty advanced stuff, way more than even the stealth bomber. Even though the Nazis actually got this started with their Nazi Bell.



How long will it be before they roll this out and let everyone see this?
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According to your second link, it's not "anti-gravity".
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TR-3B was debunked ages ago. Sorry.
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Apparently some conspiracy theorists think this triangle plane ó the most secret aircraft ever - makes test flights over Dallas.

Yeah, thatís believable. Probably operates from the Grassy Knoll.
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Urbanredneck, all functional aircraft are anti-gravity -- typically fixed wing, rotary wing, or rocket (gimbal etc.).

What you are asserting is not an aircraft, for it is only conspiracy theory woo flying about in some folks' imaginations.

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"Antigravity" in the way it's being used here would require so many changes in our basic understanding of how the universe works that it's impossible to imagine it not being huge news in the radical alteration of just about our entire understanding of physics. There'd be a lot of smaller advancements and changes along the way, that no one would bother to conceal. And even if "they" hid the final theory, there'd be enough floating around for any sufficiently bright physicist to bring it to the final form independently.
And that's just for the underlying theory, let alone the engineering.

Heck, the Manhattan project was the last big, secretive engineering project - but the theory was already well known, and there was, as I recall, a fair amount of people asking questions, forming conclusions, and getting close enough to the truth to give the FBI heartburn, all on their own and innocently.
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How long will it be before they roll this out and let everyone see this?
This sentence is probably in the Dictionary of Phrases to illustrate "begging the question".
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"It uses highly pressured mercury accelerated by nuclear energy to produce a plasma that creates a field of anti-gravity around the ship."
I believe that this is what powered the DeLorean up to 88 mph.
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I believe that this is what powered the DeLorean up to 88 mph.
No, that was gasoline. Remember when Marty put a hole in the gas tank and, since there was no gasoline in 1885, they had to push it with the locomotive?

Now, the Mr. Fusion ran on garbage, which is plentiful in the OP.
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Ok, maybe my wording is wrong. The TR3B uses some sort of electron or magnetic propulsion and coils.
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Of course, any object that could exclude itself from Earth's gravity would be instantly flung off this rapidly-rotating planet the way a wet dog shakes water from his fur.
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Ok, maybe my wording is wrong. The TR3B uses some sort of electron or magnetic propulsion and coils.
Urbanredneck, you have no clear photographs of this alleged aircraft.

Assuming, for the sake of argument, that this secret aircraft exists (it's not unprecedented), it's a simpler and more probable theory that it is a logical advancement on previous aircraft.

That is, what's more likely :

a. The alleged secret aircraft is just another product of a skunkworks program, similar to the one that created the SR-71, where it primarily uses an aggressive design using known technology. The reason the photos look weird is that it's hard to get a clear photograph from long distance or someone faked them.

b. Entire new fields of physics have been discovered. Several thousand people have 100% all kept quiet, who have in turn been secretly working to exploit these new fields with no leaks whatsover.
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The TR3B uses some sort of electron or magnetic propulsion and coils.
I'm not sure that electric motors are that classified. Or recent. Or anti-gravity.
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well considering I live right where Lockheed and Edwards air force base tests all their stuff almost daily id of definitely seen something like that and unless they built and flew it someplace other than the antelope valley ca

for example I knew the b-2 by sight 2 years before they told anyone what it was ……..

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Some say it can even fly into space. Well that might be a little much because even if it can fly into space it must then fly back thru the atmosphere where heat from atmospheric friction causes problems.
Every single word in your OP is nonsense, but I just want to focus on this part. Atmospheric heating during entry and descent is only a problem if cannot avoid high speeds. This imaginary craft should be capable of reentering slow enough to easily fly back through the atmosphere and reach the ground. Why would you readily believe it could fly into space using antigravity, but would have trouble coming back?
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actually this thread reminds me of two rules of the valley 1 if you see something weird in the sky its not a ufo and 2 don't take a pic of it...its an actual federal offense

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Ok, maybe my wording is wrong. The TR3B uses some sort of electron or magnetic propulsion and coils.
Considering that a good number of pictures of the alleged super plane were hoaxes, I find no reason to believe it actually exists.

I think the existence of the plane or any enabling technology is fodder for the credulous.
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Old 01-20-2019, 09:24 AM
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We've had anti-gravity technology since 1956. It was invented by Daniel Dunn, who later pioneered the homework machine. I thought everybody knew that.
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We've had anti-gravity technology since 1956. It was invented by Daniel Dunn, who later pioneered the homework machine. I thought everybody knew that.
You missed that Air Force General Leroy Brown was put in charge of Area 51 decades ago.
The Case of The Anti-Aging Serum was actually part of a disinformation campaign.
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Urbanredneck, all functional aircraft are anti-gravity -- typically fixed wing, rotary wing, or rocket (gimbal etc.).
I came in here to say the same thing: all aircraft are anti-gravity flying machines.

Gravity is very easy to overcome.
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Gravity is very easy to overcome.
Only in a very temporary sense.

What goes up must come down.
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If someday you look up into the sky and see a strange looking, triangular UFO with a round orb in the center, dont freak. Its not aliens. Its the advanced TR-3B aircraft. I believe they call it the ASTRA.
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ANTARCTICA: Aliens, UFO bases, Nazi Bases,or Trapped Fallen Angels?
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Next time cite something a little less ridiculous...like Fate magazine.
'Nuff said.
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What goes up must come down.
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For fun, just remember that the OP was/is a science teacher.
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Old 01-20-2019, 11:27 AM
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If you want to see less than fully explained anti gravity phenomenon, especially with triangle shaped craft that are real then look up lifters, or the beaufield-brown effect , or brown effect lifters.

Reality is stranger than fiction.
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If you want to see less than fully explained anti gravity phenomenon, especially with triangle shaped craft that are real then look up lifters, or the beaufield-brown effect , or brown effect lifters.

Reality is stranger than fiction.
Biefeld-Brown.

It's pretty cool. Not even remotely useful, but cool.
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I have a hard time believing these claims, since the Weekly World News hasn't reported on it yet.
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Ok, maybe my wording is wrong. The TR3B uses some sort of electron or magnetic propulsion and coils.
Which is an interesting engineering proposition, but they'll publicly roll it out when they are good and ready to do so. If they decide to go on with it at all. Heck, we're all still waiting for the Aurora, aren't we?

I expect that for every weapons system/platform actually presented in society as it were, there are a dozen proposals and prototypes that nobody outside the design bureau and the services' advanced projects units ever lays eyes upon because not worth the cost or testing shows it is not really ready for prime time or the intelligence people tell you the other guys have already figured out a counter anyway.
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Biefeld-Brown.

It's pretty cool. Not even remotely useful, but cool.
Ah yes biefield...it's been 20 years and I didn't bother to look it up just now.

And yeah basically impractical for any use currently since no power source is light enough to produce the power needed to lift itself using the effect.
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Yes, the Air Force has a working plane which has uses anti gravity to fly. What I'm reading is the TR-3B uses rotating magnetic coils powered by a nuclear engine which reduce about 87% of weight.
Is the full name the TR-3B Photoshop?
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Google "escape velocity" and prepare for a surprise!
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Only in a very temporary sense.

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Google "escape velocity" and prepare for a surprise!
I'm surprised that you're not deferring to Flyer in this area
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Biefeld-Brown.

It's pretty cool. Not even remotely useful, but cool.
Oh, I guess it does see some use in the novelty that is bladeless fans, or moving the air in electrostatic filters.
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Maybe it uses a 1920s style death ray to fly?

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Does Anti gravity need escape velocity? My understanding is the higher the gravity of a body (Planet, moon, asteroid ) , the greater the ecaspe velocity needs to be. But if the object has no gravity effect, the rules change...I think

If scientists ever figure out how to use the earth's magnetic field, perhaps that is all they will need. Or maybe there is something with electricity and magnets, combined with other elements that can achieve this effect?
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If someday you look up into the sky and see a strange looking, triangular UFO with a round orb in the center, dont freak. Its not aliens. Its the advanced TR-3B aircraft. I believe they call it the ASTRA.



Yes, the Air Force has a working plane which has uses anti gravity to fly. What I'm reading is the TR-3B uses rotating magnetic coils powered by a nuclear engine which reduce about 87% of weight.


Some say it can even fly into space. Well that might be a little much because even if it can fly into space it must then fly back thru the atmosphere where heat from atmospheric friction causes problems.


Its pretty advanced stuff, way more than even the stealth bomber. Even though the Nazis actually got this started with their Nazi Bell.



How long will it be before they roll this out and let everyone see this?
How long until everyone sees it? My reply is if its out there, not much longer. With the privatization of space and easy of camera use and sharing of video if a ship of size is out there, it will be seen perhaps as early as the next 10 years.
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Of course, any object that could exclude itself from Earth's gravity would be instantly flung off this rapidly-rotating planet the way a wet dog shakes water from his fur.
That's a fun image, but balloons beg to differ.
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Does Anti gravity need escape velocity?
My comment was in reference to "what goes up must come down". The Voyager spacecraft and New Horizons are three counterexamples to that platitude, although I admit that if they do come back down and bonk me on the head, it will be my turn to be surprised.

As for anti-gravity, it doesn't exist. Or maybe I should say, either it doesn't exist, or our understanding of physics is so fundamentally wrong that an entirely different physics exists in which an object is able to decouple itself from the intrinsic gravitational curvature of spacetime. I suppose one way it could do this is to temporarily cease to exist, which would be an impressive feat, especially if done only with some coils and magnets!

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Let us assume, for a moment, that the Air Force actually does have some super-top-secret prototype plane which uses some completely novel, groundbreaking, change-our-theories-on-physics propulsion system.

As SamuelA notes, "Several thousand people have 100% all kept quiet, who have in turn been secretly working to exploit these new fields with no leaks whatsover."

But, even beyond that, we have, for the past two years, had a president who has access to all manner of highly classified information, as well as a demonstrated penchant for running his mouth (particularly when he gets to brag about something).

No way in hell this would have stayed unrevealed.

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Gravity is an integral part of modern physics. If an object has no "gravity effect" then there are no rules we can apply. It's pure magic.

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That's a fun image, but balloons beg to differ.
Lighter-than-air balloons have buoyancy, not anti-gravity. They sit in the atmosphere in the same way that fish sit in the ocean and don't start squirting out of the water.
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Right after they release that car that runs on water.
I think this is what is commonly called a hydrogen fuel cell, and I think they have those already. I'm pretty sure the OPs 'anti-gravity' plane isn't going to be released in the foreseeable future, however, since it almost certainly doesn't exist. NASA is working on some fairly exotic propulsion technologies, but actual anti-gravity isn't one of them as we are still studying gravity and, as far as I know, haven't yet identified an anti-particle or force for gravity as yet. Not to say it's impossible, but short of very advanced aliens coming down and giving us the tech to play with it's going to be a pretty long time before that comes out.
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It occurs to me that anti-gravity would be really cool for other than obvious reasons. We could go inside black holes, explore singularities, and pop right back out again in violation of all kinds of physical laws. We could probably exploit the reversal of space and time inside the event horizon and achieve time travel! We could achieve unlimited free energy by using a black hole's gravitational attraction to accelerate to nearly the speed of light, then switch on anti-gravity and coast on at nearly the speed of light, at no propulsion cost at all. And since it seems like a prerequisite to anti-gravity to be able to temporarily cease to exist, that, too, would be a wonderful boon, such as if you have an awful headache or your wife is yelling at you. And to think, it can all be done with some coils and magnets!
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That's a fun image, but balloons beg to differ.
Balloons don't instantly cancel all or even 87% of gravity effects, instead they have lift and basically float on air, being lighter than air. Sort of like a boat floats on water (actually, exactly like a boat floats on water). If you were to negate gravity completely you'd basically be flying off at the speed of the earths rotation as well as the speed of the earths orbit along with the speed of the solar system moving through the galaxy and, probably, the speed of the galaxy moving through the universe (plus possibly some other stuff I haven't thought of in my present inebriated state). Think of it like having a ball on a string that you swing around yourself. Now consider...what happens to the ball when you let go? That's what's going to happen if you could actually cancel gravity. It would be...exciting.
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