Hmm… From a more detialed article:
And they never took the baby to the doctor while it was alive. They lived across the street from the hospital.
Okay, I’m thinking veganism wasn’t the problem here, they’re just asshats.
My cousin just had her first baby, and she was all ‘can’t tell one cry from another’. So whenever the baby cries, she checks for diaper nasties, and if all is dry and happy, offers the food.
The baby is currently 2 weeks old, and has pretty well devised her own eating schedule. Often. Usually involving frequent mid-meal naps.
Doctor will tell you, the baby will eat until it’s full, and you should keep a journal/log so everytime you know how much she eats. My BIL & his wife do this and they can tell the doctor exactly, “On such-and-such a date, she started eating less” or whatever.
BTW, the story is heartbreaking, even to someone who doesn’t have kids. Poor little tyke.
The problem I’m having with this case is that vegans in general tend to research their chosen food path a lot. They research the whys and hows, they research what they can and cannot eat. Every vegan I know is constantly researching food. How a vegan couple could NOT have known that a vegan diet was going to be bad for their baby is beyond me, because vegans, on the whole, are constantly researching. They had to have picked it up somewhere, because every vegan site I’ve been to has specific guidelines for vegan couples who have babies; usually things like “Don’t feed them vegan food for a year or so” or at least how much they should be eating and where you can buy soy formula.
I suppose there’s probably an exception to the rule but they’d be pretty bad vegans if they weren’t researching. If they aren’t an exception to the rule, that means they ran across this information and deliberately ignored it. Which means they forced a lifestyle on a baby who had no control over it’s life, and it killed it.
Which is murder in my eyes, and apparently the jury’s.
~Tasha
OMG, I read that as vulva. :eek: 
IANAP, but wouldn’t ten weeks be crazy early to be expecting a baby to comfort itself to sleep, even if you didn’t think it was a hunger cry? Yikes.
I get what you’re saying.
It did look to me like you were trying to engage me in debate on the statute or on why their actions got them the sentence that it did.
All I was trying to do was explain that they didn’t have to be dancing around in a circle chanting “die, baby, die!” in order to get life/the DP.
Having done that, I will move along.
Yep. That’s the other issue I have with it. I just can’t imagine allowing a baby that young to cry itself to sleep alone.
E.
Scrappy and Hyde, I think you’re mired in the weeds. The prosecutor charged them with everything from murder to child endangerment and then sold this to jury as murder. It was an easy sell. By trial’s end the jury must have loathed the parents. This took weeks maybe months to occur. At some point it was obvious the child was suffering harm and ultimately dying. They did not seek medical attention. They chose to continue.
Personally I see murder here.
Wow. Lethal ignorance.
(Who feeds a baby organic apple juice? Adults get sick from that e. coli infested shit.)
Dehydration does happen fast. When I went home with my daughter my milk hadn’t come in (mine took SEVEN DAYS to come in), but the lactation consultant assured me all was well and the colostrum would be sufficient - never mind that NOTHING came out on the pum - babies are more efficient than the pump - the baby is getting something.
Well, 24 hours after checking out of the hospital we were back in the doctors office with a newborn who didn’t make tears and had the sunken eyes of someone not getting enough liquid, was lethargic and refused to latch. I was given a choice - suppliment or hospital in 24 hours if my milk didn’t come in. We supplimented, continued to pump and managed to switch to the breast about five days later.
It does. My son had his 2 month check-up with a clean bill of health and the next day started spitting up a lot. I thought he was just getting sick… the next day after that I took him to the hospital, where he was admitted and had to have an iv to bring his hydration up so they could operate the day after that. (He had pyloric stenosis and spent that first night in the icu. Scariest thing ever, leaving my little boy in there and going home that night).
That poor, poor baby.
Getting a newborn to latch and actually get the good stuff is a lot harder than most people think. Right now my little one (sixteen days old) is getting fresh-from-the-boob milk, but she’s never latched; my wife pumps, then she measures the milk out and bottle-feeds the little Torqueling. We know for certain exactly how much she’s getting, and my wife, who loves keeping charts and such, feels much better about doing things this way than the uncertainty of direct breastfeeding.
Lactation specialists can be a little overenthusiastic about their craft. We called the one who saw us in the hospital “the Boob Nazi”.
Sorry, probably shoulda included this in my last post. Yeah, there’s soy out there, and it’s very common and readily available. Our pediatrician told us that basically, the proteins in baby formula can be of two varieties: milk-based (as in, derived from cow milk), or soy-based. Sometimes babies don’t process the cow-based proteins very well, so you can either try an “easy” variety (proteins are broken up smaller for easier digestion), or, in cases where the kid simply can’t stomach lactose, you can use the soy formula. Having to use a soy formula because baby can’t handle lactose is a lot more common than you might think; I can think of four or five people offhand whose babies couldn’t handle lactose, out of my tiny circle of family and friends.
I have heard, however, that government regulation of infant formula is so strict that there’s no qualitative difference between high-dollar brands and the cheap stuff you can buy in bulk at Sam’s, so one shouldn’t feel obligated to pay big bucks.
No kidding! Some of them are jerks, too. The one I had told me that if nursing hurt I wasn’t doing it right. Um, thanks. That’s very helpful. That healed my bleeding nipples right up and made the migraine I’ve had for two weeks from high blood pressure go away. I appreciate it.
Okay, I’m done hijacking.
Both my kids used them. They didn’t nurse well - my wife had the same problem as you, and when the doctor put the oldest on milk formula, she had terrible cramps. It turned out she was lactose intolerant - she more or less grew out of it. It was a bad few weeks before we figured this out.
They both grew up fine.
Our son was on soy because at the time we adopted him, Korean formulas were rice based. Apparently it can be a huge system hit to move to milk, and you can’t get rice formula in the U.S., so the agency and adoption peditrician (yes, they have those) highly recommended soy - at least initially - we switched him to milk - but he was dairy free for the first nine or ten months of his life. (And we actually started not with formula, but with yogurt). He turned out fine. And while he wasn’t reported as a preemie, he was four pounds at birth. However, if you can stick with the milk based formula’s they are cheaper and the soy crap is near impossible to clean out of a bottle - don’t know why anyone would choose it.
My nephew is on soy because he can’t tolerate lactose at all. When my sister was breastfeeding him, she couldn’t have any dairy.
By the time my first one was 6 weeks old, we could definitely tell a hungry cry from a tired cry from a sick cry, etc. And I’m not claiming to be some super-intuitive perfect mom—her hungry cry was very distinctive. We called it her “billy goat” cry.
Fair, yes, but more importantly, essential to prevent them from reproducing again.
No, not all types of murder require intent more accurately thought of as purpose but sometimes used interchangeably.
As you probably know if you’ve seen Legally Blonde, every crime consists of an actus rea or culpable act + mens rea or culpable mental state. The theory of the case shows “adandoned and malignant heart” murder, more familiarly known to many under the modern phrase “Extreme reckless indifference to human life.” Generally, a form of 2nd-Degree murder.
This charge does NOT require purpose to to the crime. It requires the mental state of recklessness namely, that you understood a risk and proceeded anyway. It does not mean they “intended to do harm” per se. Rather, they intended to do the act, and understood there was a resulting risk of harm.
Unless it is proven beyond reasonable doubt they conceptualized the risk, they would probably be criminally negligent (“should have known the risk”).
Incorrect.
“Abandoned and malignant heart” in Georgia gets you first degree. Check the statute again. In MA, it’s the manner in which the crime was committed that gets you first degree. Many times this is where prosecutorial discretion comes in.