If I had to guess, I’d say 4% of the time they had vaginal intercourse instead, or continued to insert toys or fingers into the vagina after there was semen present.
Or, you know, drippage containing viable sperm. I just think it’s a great statistic to throw into this kind of discussion–even in the butt, Bob, doesn’t necessarily keep you from getting pregnant.
You do realize that there are really only a few days a month where a woman can concieve under normal circumstances. Granted ther are those who ovulate at odd times but those are outliers in reproductive statistics.
Interpreting the stats like this would end up with all but the sterile and celibate cranking out another kid every year.
Exactly.
*waits for Dio to admit his error and apologise for his excessively confrontational attitude when, just for once :dubious: , he was dead wrong.
Better grab a magazine, as it’ll be a long wait.
Do you happen to have a copy of War and Peace handy?
snerk
Damn you for getting that in before me!
Here I brought lunch.
::: Hands Malacandra a sandwich:::
This may take a while. Want a glass of ice tea?
Right, because if you grab a magazine, you’ll have both a mess and a lot of time on your hands.
The clarification doesn’t help. There isn’t any male who can reliably know that he will never begin to ejaculate before he feels the sensation of orgasm. It’s not an individual quirk. It can happen to anybody.
Fine. A 20% chance of pregnancy within a year is still an unacceptable number and it’s still grossly irersponsible either to rely on it or reccommend it to others. I can’t believe there’s even an argument about this.
Disagreed. I know that I can tell the difference quite easily. Of course, it’s impossible for us to draw any kind of reasonable conclusion of the majority based on either yours or mine anecdotal and subjective evidence of one.
Everyone can tell the difference. The question is whether you can always know that you will never begin to ejaculate before you feel the sensation of orgasm. It’s irrelevant that you can tell when you’re ejaculating if you haven’t withdrawn yet.
I don’t know, I mean, I’m having sex currently (okay, not RIGHT now) with someone I trust, but I’d never use withdrawal. I figure the human error factor is a bigger deal with the withdrawal. Plus, while I could put on a condom on the guy if I wanted, if he’s going to be an asshole or just plain stupid, I can’t control for that. (Also if the woman is on top, how do you know when to pull out?)
:rolleyes:
Okay, look. If you are prone to premature ejaculation, or orgasms that sneak up on you, then don’t use withdrawal as a method of birth control. The question of what you “can always know will never happen” doesn’t even make sense. You can’t always know a condom will never break. You can’t always know a diaphragm won’t slip. You can’t always know you won’t come unexpectedly, but that’s what Plan B and backup methods are for.
Perhaps unacceptable to you, but for others with other contraceptive needs, desires, and priorities, a perfectly acceptable option with clinically tested efficacy rates that fall precisely in line with other clinically tested and medically acceptable non-hormonal methods of birth control. I can’t believe there’s even an argument about this. Are you really quibbling with the statistics, or are you just being disputacious for the sake of it?
What point did you think I was trying to make? I always when it’s going to happen.
I actually agree that recommending withdrawal to *women * is pointless. For this post only, call me Harriet the Cynic. But if a guy wants to lessen his risk of creating a pregnancy, the statistics have spoken.
I’m with WhyNot? on this one your argument is pretty lame. I bet you don’t tune up your engine or inflate your tires either right? After all 3% isn’t much of a savings, it doesn’t make a difference.
I don’t use a condom ever with my wife, I don’t pull out or use any other form of contraceptive. We’ve conceived a total of once. The odds of getting someone pregnant are actually rather low, so if you cut them down to a quarter of what they would be otherwise, you’ve decreased the chance significantly.
Yes, but you can also feel the ejactulate before it leaves the tip of your penis. At least I can.
Besides, you want to come in her. Semen makes women happy!
See: Peter North.