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KneadToKnow
03-31-2003, 07:27 PM
24, Season 2
Episode 17
12:00 a.m. - 1:00 a.m.

Spoilers ahead!

Previous episodes discussed: 1 (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=141661) 2 (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=142720) 3 (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=143761) 4 (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=144882) 5 (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=146280) 6 (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=147635) 7 (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=149356) 8 (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=150854) 9 (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=154843) 10 (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=156343) 11 (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=160583) 12 (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=162262) 13 (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=163850) 14 (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=165404) 15 (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=167046) 16 (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=172344)


This thread is presented as a service of the 24 Club.

yosemite
03-31-2003, 07:33 PM
I await the next episode with baited breath. (BTW, on a whim I started watching my "24 Season One" DVDs. Damn, it's a good show. And it's especially interesting to see it all over again, knowing what I know now!)

Soup_du_jour
03-31-2003, 11:15 PM
I can't wait either.

Actually, I'm currently embroiled in a college project about how "The West" views "The Muslim World" and vice versa. 24 is one of our focus points.

See? It's schoolwork! I have to watch it now! ;)

ElwoodCuse
04-01-2003, 12:29 AM
I asked this last week and it either got glossed over or people didn't know. But is 24 in the can? Is Fox going to change anything because of the REAL war going on in the Middle East?

Sorry in advance if I missed it and thanks if you know.

c_goat
04-01-2003, 09:16 AM
Is Fox going to change anything because of the REAL war going on in the Middle East?

I doubt it. My assumption is that they had the whole thing written and planned before the first episode was filmed. Of course, the writers probably had a feeling we'd be going to war with someone in the Middle East. You didn't have to be a psychic to see that one coming.

WordMan
04-01-2003, 09:23 AM
SPOILER!!

Okay, I am a spoiler reader - I admit it, and still enjoy the shows I read spoilers on. Anyway, at Ain't it Cool News (http://aintitcoolnews.com/display.cgi?id=14857) this morning, they used words that leave doubts about what happens to

Kim - they make references to the resolution to the end of her 41 episode - obviously therefore including last season - run. I am not going to say I will complain - no matter how much fun it is to watch her run in a tank top, her plot lines have always been too "Perils of Pauline" and based on stupid decisions.

Anybody know what happens to this person?

Max Carnage
04-01-2003, 12:50 PM
I'm nervous.

My best friend broke up with her boyfriend Sunday so I'm going to meet her for dinner tonight. I realized this morning that that means missing 24! I haven't taped 24 since season one, the first couple of shows when I was watching Smallville first, then 24 afterwards. But at least then I was there in my apartment. I could push record myself, and know that the channel is right.

What if I screw up? What if I forget to hit the power button to set the timer? What if I set it for the wrong time, or 7:58 pm to 8:02 pm? I'm a computer tech, people! I know how to work electronics! But I don't wanna miss 24!

My friend better realize the heck I'm going through for her!

dalovindj
04-01-2003, 02:09 PM
My friend better realize the heck I'm going through for her!24 . . . rebound sex . . . 24 . . . rebound sex . . . .hmmmm . . . tough call . . . .

RikWriter
04-01-2003, 04:25 PM
Originally posted by WordMan
SPOILER!!

Okay, I am a spoiler reader - I admit it, and still enjoy the shows I read spoilers on. Anyway, at Ain't it Cool News (http://aintitcoolnews.com/display.cgi?id=14857) this morning, they used words that leave doubts about what happens to

Kim - they make references to the resolution to the end of her 41 episode - obviously therefore including last season - run. I am not going to say I will complain - no matter how much fun it is to watch her run in a tank top, her plot lines have always been too "Perils of Pauline" and based on stupid decisions.

Anybody know what happens to this person?

That was an April Fool's joke.

Monstre
04-01-2003, 09:03 PM
Well, Kim actually did something intelligent today -- she escaped from the Qwik-E-Mart and let the police take out Nervous Gun Guy.

Too bad that next week's previews...
...have her confessing to the local police that she escaped police custody earlier in the day, and that she's wanted for murder. She just can't decide whether to be smart or stupid, can she?

As for the Carrie/Michelle thing -- I guess tonight's hinted that their conflict was over some guy? The guy that called Michelle (Danny?) -- so is he Michelle's ex-boyfriend? ex-husband? brother? I wouldn't think current husband, the way she was hitting on Tony earlier in the day...

BlackKnight
04-01-2003, 09:33 PM
Favorite lines:

"It's for you."

... followed by ...

"The man you sent to pick up Kate Warner is unconscious."

Favorite moment:

When both Jack and Seventh Soldier quickly draw their guns and point them at the door as Kate and the foreign intelligence guy come in, almost perfectly synchronized.

interface2x
04-01-2003, 09:34 PM
All I know is that he's the guy from "Hidden Hills" :)

Is that show still on? Ever since 24 came back, I had to ditch it. What I saw was actually pretty amusing!

Troy McClure SF
04-02-2003, 12:06 AM
Well, assuming the Michelle/Carrie thing is some kind of jilted lover thing, I'm afraid I'm a little disappointed. Those looks they were giving each other, seeing what the other was up to every few seconds... you could tell that they were ready to start throwing fists at each other any second. Jealously seems so predictable.

It's amazing how a look that would be described as deer-in-the-headlights for anyone on the planet becomes this cold, heartless, icy stare when it's on the face of Jack Bauer. ("You're giving me up, aren't you?")

Max- I know of that stress. I hate depending on my beat-up old VCR to tape things from the timer. Even when I'm here to record live, it has a tendency to, well, crash. It's not even from Redmond, dammit! Just remember. fX 24 is better than no 24.

Glad Kim got herself out. Of course, she may just as well have been caught by whiny killer guy, and we'd all be screaming about how you never run away from people with guns. I wish she would have taken the damn gun back in the "It's your fault" bit.

Hmm... the cops are gonna wonder why she had a gun, and they're gonna find out she's wanted for murder, and whatever may have happened with Scruffy and the transport cop.

ElwoodCuse
04-02-2003, 12:15 AM
Hey, pretty neat that (at least for now) foreign intelligence guy is on the up-and-up. I always did get the feeling that it would have been too obvious for him to be a bad guy. Although I hope he doesn't just become a sidekick to Jack.

How long until the cops figure out that Kim is still, you know, wanted for murder and stuff? Are we ever going to find out what happened to Rick 2.0? Is she going to do something dumb like explain who she is and that she needs to get to CTU, or is she going to try and get there herself with disastrous results? How is she ever going to find out that Jack is still alive?

I was kinda confused by the actual role of this military unit. Ok, so they were originally supposed to allow the bomb into the US, but catch it and thus provide a success to trumpet. And this was set up by people conspiring against Palmer, right? But now, a group of oil barons find out about that and form their own conspiracy, get to one of the commando team members, and try to get the bomb to go off so there will be war in the Middle East? So there's actually TWO giant evil conspiracies at work here?

As for the shootout at the end. I'm guessing that it was whoever already tried to kill the soldier? He said someone already tried to kill him, didn't he?

Finally, who wants to take bets on how they resolve the Jack/Kate angle? Some possibilities:

1. Jack and Kate save the day, and ride off into the sunset to try and be normal again. Barf.

2. Jack saves the day, but Kate dies. Too obvious, you think? Why end the show the same way?

3. Jack saves the day, wants to hook up with Kate, but she turns him down because he gave her up. Unlikely, I think, since by then she would understand that Jack was only doing what he had to.

4. Jack saves the day, and Kate wants to get with him, but Jack says no because he's afraid of what happens to everyone he's close to (the Spider-Man ending). Right now this is what I'd put my money on.

How about Tony? Is he really just being a power-trip jackass? Or is he playing someone? I have to think that if Mason had been told the same thing about Michelle, he'd have her locked up already. Maybe Tony doesn't exactly like/trust Carrie either.

One last question--how did Tony hurt his ankle? I thought Jack just clocked him in the grill. Did he fall on it weird or something?

Troy McClure SF
04-02-2003, 12:38 AM
Ah, yes, Tony.

I couldn't quite make out what happened to Tony's ankle, but during the fight scene, the camera did focus on the ankle for a split second, and it did seem to turn a weird way. What exactly caused it I can't make out.

Tony's pissing me off. He's not one to get irrational when the stakes are high. Especially with Jack. Yeah, he's a rebel (to put it mildly), but he also knows that Jack's not nuts. The suits aren't gonna like Jack, but the people he works with have to know that they can't hold a candle to him.

Everyone seems about ready to splinter up. Jack v Tony, Tony v Michelle, Michell v Carrie, Jack v Kate. Then Palmer v Mike and Ro, VP v Palmer.

WordMan
04-02-2003, 07:21 AM
Okay - obviously I was duped by the folks at Ain't it Cool News - that's what I get for not hanging around my 5-year-old in the morning before work (all I heard when I got home was: "Hey Dad - there's a hole in your pants - APRIL FOOL's!!" and that's when I remember what day it was).

Anyway - only an okay show.

- No one has commented on the "need to take Kate to get transit" plot - it just seemed thin to me. Up there with "Nina gets permission to kill Jack, but waits until the bomb location is confirmed" plot - if real, she woulda plugged him immediately. (Notice I am not holding the Kim plotline up to this scrutiny - that would be pointless).

- Would Tony, knowing there's tension between the two women, actually ask Carrie to be the one to monitor Michelle? Seems to cute...

- Liked the use of the Middle-Eastern Op - nice twist.

All for now - sorry for the distracting and untrue spoiler before...

Word

annieclaus
04-02-2003, 08:03 AM
Jack kept stressing to Kate (as he was turning her over to Coral Snake Guy) to remember EVERYTHING he had said to her in the car. OK, so that was a message, right? And was the meaning of the message that he would protect her??? Or was there something I missed?

Dr. Righteous
04-02-2003, 08:06 AM
Finally Kim did something smart (getting herself out of the store) but then I realized Kim only looked smart in comparison to Scared Gun Totin' Guy.... how dumb is he?

I'm really liking Foreign Intelligence Guy... he kicks butt. And he's cute.

I actually cheered at the ending... there's yet another sniper out there! Cool!! Maybe on some other show that would be an "oh no not again, how cheezy" plot twist, but somehow on 24 it works.

Greywolf73
04-02-2003, 08:16 AM
Originally posted by annieclaus
Jack kept stressing to Kate (as he was turning her over to Coral Snake Guy) to remember EVERYTHING he had said to her in the car. OK, so that was a message, right? And was the meaning of the message that he would protect her??? Or was there something I missed?

I think he was referring to the "I'll do anything to protect you." part. Unless I missed something too.

As for the deer-in-headlights look--I think Kate has mastered that expression!

Algernon
04-02-2003, 08:19 AM
As for the deer-in-headlights look--I think Kate has mastered that expression! It has gotten so bad that my daughter and I yell at the television screen whenever Kate appears ("change your expression already!"). Sheesh. You'd think a professional actress would be able to convey some emotion other than furrowed brow confusion.

ivylass
04-02-2003, 09:11 AM
I think Tony is a big fat weenie.

Jack survives a plane crash, yanks a piece of metal out of his leg, and starts running.

Tony lays on the floor like a beached fish, calling out to Carrie to help him out because his ankle-wankle has a widdle boo-boo.

Crybaby. What the hell does Michelle see in him?

I don't like this Rush to War scenario either...what's wrong with waiting a couple of hours, especially since a senior CTU official has doubts about the credibilty of the tape? I mean, jeez, it's not like Nina is saying the tape is fake.

Algernon
04-02-2003, 09:17 AM
I'm a little confused about something. Maybe someone could provide some insight on this.

Mike, the President's assistant, said late in the show (with his head in his hands) something like "it will be a disaster if we have to call back the planes."

Huh? It'll be a disaster if World War III is appropriately averted? What?

I don't understand this logic (even by 24 standards).

Max Carnage
04-02-2003, 09:30 AM
Yay! My VCR worked! I realized I had two so I set both of them to record. The first one worked, so I haven't checked the second one. But I'm not as lame as I feared. My kung fu is strong!

This was another blah episode to me. Granted I was watching it while lying in bed and fighting sleep toward the end so I may have missed some nuances but...

First the Kim "plot." I figured Nervous Gun Guy/Chavo Guarrero wanted to get his wife outta there so he could kill himself and not go to jail. Go out with "honor" kinda. Guess I was wrong.

The whole Jack kidnaps Kate thing isn't working for me. Someone brought it up last week, but where DID 7th Soldier get Jack's cell number? They aren't listed yet. Somone from out of the blue calls Jack and tells him to bring their main witness to him in 30 minutes, and Jack does it? At least last time he let himsef get jerked around, his wife and daughter were in peril. This time, he just seemed to go along too easily.

Is Palmer's entire cabinet against him??? The Veep, Ensign Ro, Mike, ex-Mrs-Palmer, the Electroshock Guy...everyone second guesses him! It's like they got him elected so they could all ride his coat tails to the White House and now they want him out. I don't get it.

This week I got more tension from my VCR saga than this episode. But I know last year kinda slogged along after Act I too, so I'm hanging in.

El Elvis Rojo
04-02-2003, 10:03 AM
I liked the episode, the endings always leave me wanting more. Great stuff.

Like everyone, though, the damn Kim plots are just getting more and more rediculous. Hopefully, the rest of her plot will involve her sitting in a jail cell waiting for the whole murder rap to go through and getting processed and the like until Jack finally finishes the job and comes to her rescue. Unfortunately, the police station is probably going to get attacked by a cyborg from the future, thus creating enough confusion for her to get away, where she'll be picked hit by a guy in a pick up truck, who will "take her to the hospital," but instead try to rape her, only to be stopped when they get abducted by aliens, who somehow will crash their ship somewhere, crushing an evil witch, so that now Kim will have to run from her evil sister, until things get REALLY contrived. Just lock her away and get on with the real plot, shall we?

As for Tony, when did he become such a little pissant? He seemed like such a cool guy earlier, and someone who would take Jack's word when he'd show suspicion about something. Suddenly he gets put in charge and now discredits Jack's advice/suspicions? Seems really odd. And it's obvious that Michelle and Carrie don't like each other, how is it he's so damned blind?

But the Jack storyline is coming along nicely, as always. I was a little suspicious of the foriegn guy for a moment as well. When he told Jack he was taking Kate on a roundabout way to get to Jack, I figured he was just going to kidnap her for some other reason. Glad to see I was mistaken. He also delivered my favorite line from the episode:

"Kate, turn your face."

Now, if that's not an effective way to interrigate someone, I don't know what is.

Dr. Righteous
04-02-2003, 11:06 AM
I also don't buy the whole "we must attack immediately" thing. They so definitely have motives we have yet to see.

I was wondering why Tony would take Carrie's word over Michelle's. He's worked with Michelle for a while, has professed to like her and yet here comes this woman he's never met before a few hours ago and he's taking her word on things? I think his whole love affair with Nina and then finding out who she really was scarred him for life. Soulpatch can no longer trust women.

Mr. Duality
04-02-2003, 11:54 AM
WHat was Carrie doing at that other guy's computer terminal after she sent him away on an errand?

BiblioCat
04-02-2003, 12:07 PM
She was putting the filters on Michelle's computer that allowed her to track whatever she did.
She also deleted that one phone conversation in which she was mentioned (and called a bitch by the Hidden Hills guy). I wonder how he fits in.

ivylass
04-02-2003, 12:12 PM
The Hidden Hills guy...is that Michelle's ex-husband? Relative?

Max Carnage
04-02-2003, 12:14 PM
It looked like Carrie had restricted access to Michelle so that's why Chelle was getting errors. I thought she went to the other guys desk to either release the restrictions ro add more. Either way, I was surprised that that guy had administrator rights when Carrie didn't :)

WordMan
04-02-2003, 12:23 PM
I thought it went like this:

1) Tony tells Carrie to filter Michelle's transmission (stupid - as other posters said, why doesn't he go to Michelle? Why trust new gal Carrie?)

2) Carrie rigs Michelle's PC to have an error

3) Michelle askes Carrie about it; Carrie tells Michelle what to do; Michelle goes to fix it, freeing up her PC

4) Carrie decoys the other guy away to have "private" access to Michelle's PC. Guy falls for decoy

5) Carrie implements filters on Michelle's PC

6) Carrie then monitors Michelle's communications, and we get to here one that may or may not be relevant to the bomb/war plot, but adds a little backstory as to why these two women don't get along - Michelle's ex (boyfriend? husband?), with whom she had a child that he has custody of, hooked up with Carrie (causing the breakup? after the breakup? Not clear). But he is no longer with Carrie and calls her a bitch.

7) Carrie deletes that message to avoid being linked to Michelle as well as to get rid of the insult....

Other interpretations?

Gorgon Heap
04-02-2003, 01:03 PM
No, you have it, WordMan.

this business between Jack and Tony is annoying me more because Tony should really have something more important to do at this point. Jeez, they can get Jack whenever, but some things need to be done now, Mr. New Boss-Man.

I want to kill Kim more every week.

c_goat
04-02-2003, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by WordMan
3) Michelle askes Carrie about it; Carrie tells Michelle what to do; Michelle goes to fix it, freeing up her PC


Actually, Carrie offered to fix it knowing that Michelle would say she can't because Carrie doesn't have the right access. Remember Carrie is technically under Michelle (unless I got the names confused). The one that helped Jack is Michelle, right?

What I don't understand is how could Carrie remotely cause an error on Michelle's PC when she doesn't even have access to install filters and monitor communications. Why didn't Tony just do it himself instead of asking Carrie to do it when she doesn't even have the correct access to do such a thing? In the past, CTU people didn't need access to the person's workstation they wanted to monitor.

As for the link between the women, it appears that Michelle's ex-husband has that prefix because he messed around with Carrie while they were together.

Kim, die already. Whoever said that gun-boy was dumber than Kim really hit the nail on the head. Who would have thought it was possible.

Didn't we already do the whole Jack saves Kate storyline? Why is she safer in the trunk?

And for crying out loud, President Palmer, what's the big rush to attack? Especially if you're going to attack 3 countries simultaneously, you might want to plan it a little. I thought Mike might turn out to be a bad guy, since he did the "bad guy look sideways at the camera" move. But later he backed up the President to the VP even though he didn't agree. I too was wondering what the big disaster would be if they called off the planes, unless Mike knows about a Plan B for the people trying to start the war.

I must say, ever since the bomb went off I'm not liking it that much.

SuaSponte
04-02-2003, 03:42 PM
I've missed a rather key point -- are the Stealth bombers in the air to bomb the three countries carrying nukes or conventional bombs.

Sua

DMark
04-02-2003, 04:37 PM
When they mentioned the whole war scenario was designed to help oil barons, my first thought was:

OMG...J.R. Ewing is behind the whole thing!
(Wait until Miss Ellie and Bobbie hear about this - there's gonna be hell to be paid out at Southfork at dinner.)

Plus, seeing as how Jack's wife met with an untimely fate in Season One, I am hoping against hope that Kim meets a similar fate at the end of this season - saving us all from having to see her kidnapped, wearing a wet tshirt and thong, by a VW Bus full of transexual, terrorist, circus clowns in Season Three.

FallenAngel
04-02-2003, 04:51 PM
My take on Tony: Great lieutenants rarely make great generals without passing through the captain, major, colonel ranks first.

Tony is a very good agent and analyst, but the pressure of command is spooking the snot out of him; so he's second-guessing himself, trying to cover all the bases and fearing that any action he takes will be a potential screw-up that will tank his career and cost lots of people their lives.

I imagine he and Jack will have a little heart to heart later in the show about the pressures/burden of command, most likely while they're staring at each other over drawn pistols. I hope so, at least. Only the best of friends and deepest of allies can throw down on each other and then move on later.

InTransit
04-02-2003, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by ElwoodCuse
Finally, who wants to take bets on how they resolve the Jack/Kate angle? Some possibilities:

1. Jack and Kate save the day, and ride off into the sunset to try and be normal again. Barf.

2. Jack saves the day, but Kate dies. Too obvious, you think? Why end the show the same way?

3. Jack saves the day, wants to hook up with Kate, but she turns him down because he gave her up. Unlikely, I think, since by then she would understand that Jack was only doing what he had to.

4. Jack saves the day, and Kate wants to get with him, but Jack says no because he's afraid of what happens to everyone he's close to (the Spider-Man ending). Right now this is what I'd put my money on.

Since the actress who is Kate has signed on for another season, we know #2 can't happen. #1 can't happen. Just can't.... refuse. My bet's on #4 as well, or some oddball permutation with less Jack Hesitation. Ever since she joined the show, she was reported to be a Jack love-interest. Seeing as how I'm not that fond of Kate (or any of the blond actresses on the show, actually) I hope she and Kim become all chummy next season and go live far far away from the action. Kim's air time = excuse to get up off the couch.

ElwoodCuse
04-03-2003, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by DMark
When they mentioned the whole war scenario was designed to help oil barons, my first thought was:

OMG...J.R. Ewing is behind the whole thing!
(Wait until Miss Ellie and Bobbie hear about this - there's gonna be hell to be paid out at Southfork at dinner.)

Plus, seeing as how Jack's wife met with an untimely fate in Season One, I am hoping against hope that Kim meets a similar fate at the end of this season - saving us all from having to see her kidnapped, wearing a wet tshirt and thong, by a VW Bus full of transexual, terrorist, circus clowns in Season Three.

They're going to mess with us. They're going to end Season Two with Kim getting killed in some horrible manner and Jack shouting "KIM!"

Then the opening of Season Three is going to be Jack saying, "Kim! KIM! Wake up, you'll be late for school!"

:D

Chocobo
04-03-2003, 12:22 AM
It would be a PR disaster to call the bombers back (assuming of course the countries in question did indeed conspire to get the bomb set up). "They detonated a nuclear bomb on our soil and we had bombers on the way, but we called em back. Why? Oh, you know...because..." It would also give the opposing country time to ready any defenses and would lose the element of surprise. Remember, they're not expecting to be tied to the bomb.

My guess on Kate is that she is going to be the one to kill Nina at the end of the day. Kate will prove in one of the next two hours to not be capable of killing someone else (much like Kim with the liquor store guy) when she had an opportunity and was threatened. Later, Nina will somehow get the upper hand on Jack and Kate will kill her. It will either be the last or second to last hour. Just a guess, though.

Monstre
04-03-2003, 01:11 AM
from Elwood Cuse
They're going to mess with us. They're going to end Season Two with Kim getting killed in some horrible manner and Jack shouting "KIM!"

Then the opening of Season Three is going to be Jack saying, "Kim! KIM! Wake up, you'll be late for school!"

Well, I was thinking...
"KIM, if you hang up the phone, I will kill you." :D


Meanwhile, Kate's not too bright, herself. Jack was giving her an obvious hint -- "Remember everything I said in the car." What did she expect? Him to say, "Don't worry -- I will track you and rescue you", right in front of Seventh Soldier?

Riboflavin
04-03-2003, 11:16 AM
Originally posted by c_goat
What I don't understand is how could Carrie remotely cause an error on Michelle's PC when she doesn't even have access to install filters and monitor communications.

Carrie caused an error on a remote system that sent an alert to Michelle's PC, I would guess she just went to a back room and jiggled a wire loose or something equivalent. It's pretty easy to get an alert to show on someone else's PC that way.

Why didn't Tony just do it himself instead of asking Carrie to do it when she doesn't even have the correct access to do such a thing? In the past, CTU people didn't need access to the person's workstation they wanted to monitor.

That's another one of those bits you should just push out of your mind and wait for a scene with Jack like "It's for you...", just like the bit about why they need to attack the country in just a few hours despite the fact that the conspiracy is not public knowledge.

KinSaba
04-03-2003, 12:12 PM
The show is of course known for doing the unexpected, which, perversely, has caused us to expect the unexpected. But we didn't learn about Nina until what, the second to last episode? And up until that point she was not suspicious at all. So, what if Kate isn't who she seems to be? Just a thought. I really think she is there as a love interest for Jack, but hoping for something a little more original.

c_goat
04-03-2003, 02:21 PM
Originally posted by Chocobo
It would be a PR disaster to call the bombers back (assuming of course the countries in question did indeed conspire to get the bomb set up).

Well the only way they would be called back is if the recording is a fake, which means they didn't conspire to set up us the bomb. So anyone who found out would say "Phew, I'm glad we didn't attack an innocent country."

Although maybe that's what Mike meant, if The President called them back WITHOUT proving the recording is a fake.

Originally posted by Riboflavin
Carrie caused an error on a remote system that sent an alert to Michelle's PC, I would guess she just went to a back room and jiggled a wire loose or something equivalent. It's pretty easy to get an alert to show on someone else's PC that way.

Ohhhh, it makes sense now. Thanks.

ElwoodCuse
04-04-2003, 02:21 AM
Originally posted by KinSaba
The show is of course known for doing the unexpected, which, perversely, has caused us to expect the unexpected. But we didn't learn about Nina until what, the second to last episode? And up until that point she was not suspicious at all. So, what if Kate isn't who she seems to be? Just a thought. I really think she is there as a love interest for Jack, but hoping for something a little more original.

Which reminds me--when the fark are we going to see Nina again? We never did find out what the deal with her, did we? Bring back Nina!


Besides, I also think she's hotter than anyone else on the show.

Regina
04-04-2003, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by ivylass
I think Tony is a big fat weenie.

Jack survives a plane crash, yanks a piece of metal out of his leg, and starts running.

Tony lays on the floor like a beached fish, calling out to Carrie to help him out because his ankle-wankle has a widdle boo-boo.

Crybaby. What the hell does Michelle see in him? I was yelling at him, "I tore a tendon while walking the dog and walked a mile back home and you can't even get up off the floor?! You wuss!"

I didn't buy the have to have Kate for clearance thing, either. Did like the cute foreign observer guy; he turned out to be pretty tough.

Kim, Kim, Kim, how can you be so stupid and yet know CPR and how to shoot (or hold anyway) a gun?

KGS
04-08-2003, 03:12 AM
Consarn it! My cable box blew up last week so I wasn't able to watch this episode until the FX rerun tonite. Oh well, no glaring geographical errors this week, though I wonder why everyone is fleeing so far up the coast (Monterrey, San Jose, etc....doesn't anyone have family in Bakersfield??)

Kate is turning into an even bigger idiot than Kim. How can she trust Jack so implicitly, when she was all convinced that her sister's fiancee was a terrorist? Especially now that she's learned that the closest people to her aren't anything like she thought they were.

Ditto that the new "We Begin Bombing in Four Hours" plotline isn't holding water. How can it be a catastrophe to recall those planes, when nobody outside the gov't even knows about it?

Originally posted by ElwoodCuse
But now, a group of oil barons find out about that and form their own conspiracy, get to one of the commando team members, and try to get the bomb to go off so there will be war in the Middle East? So there's actually TWO giant evil conspiracies at work here?

But that's the way it is in real life, isn't it? It's just that the oil conspiracy and the presidential conspiracy are in collusion right now...(and I think Palmer's a Democrat, at least I get that feeling.)

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