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Cervaise
01-28-2005, 05:01 PM
Didn't see a thread for tonight's episode, so I figured I'd get it started.

Does Boomer continue to maintain her charade?

Do Starbuck and Baltar bang like bunnies? And does Number Six watch?

Where is Tigh getting his whisky?

Do Adama and President Roslin come to an understanding, or keep butting heads and move farther apart? And how does Apollo maintain the balance between them?

Have the prisoners finished extracting the water? And have they solved their food problem yet?

What's going on back on Caprica?

How long will it be before Adama's suspicions about Baltar's instability and untrustworthiness come to full flower?

So many questions. And yeah, I know you UK dopers know the answers already, so shut up. :)

(If you told me five years ago there'd be a remake of Galactica airing, and that I'd be panting and slavering for each new episode, I would have laughed in your face. Er, I mean, five yahrens ago. Heh.)

levdrakon
01-28-2005, 05:33 PM
Looking forward to it. And the Scifi channel shows it at the same time on the west coast as it does on the east. So you can't spoil me, bwah hah!

El_Kabong
01-28-2005, 10:04 PM
Heh. Sorry, Cervaise, but looks like the ep answered none of your questions, save a bit about what's happening down on Caprica.

Most notable fact gleaned from the episode: hey, an alien civilization in a parallel universe and another time drives Hummers too!

Gotta say this ep dragged a bit, but I continue to enjoy the emotional intensity (especially compared to the original series) and the devotion to military detail. Not that I'VE ever served on one, but the writers seem to have spent considerable time researching US military flight (and specifically Navy carrier) ops.

Also curious where those Cylon fighters are supposed to have come from. Why so few, and where is their base ship? Smells a bit of Deus ex machina done just to advance the story, frankly.

Neurotik
01-28-2005, 10:09 PM
Yeah, it does smell like that, but I'm hopeful because it's a two-parter. So far, the series is pretty good and I'm hopeful that they wouldn't resort to that so soon.

levdrakon
01-29-2005, 12:02 AM
Also curious where those Cylon fighters are supposed to have come from. Why so few, and where is their base ship?

Good question. We know Cylon Raiders have FTL, so I suppose since they no longer have a transponder of some sort among the fleet, they've had to send out lots of little squadrons of Cylons all over the place hoping to pick them up. Space is pretty vast, though. Guess they got really lucky.

However, upon locating the fleet, wouldn't those Raiders immediately FTL jump back to their Basestar, or at least signal their Basestar? If they signaled their Basestar, then I guess they have at most 33 minutes before it shows up? Surely these Raiders didn't think they could take out the fleet without backup?

Cervaise
01-29-2005, 01:49 AM
Have the prisoners finished extracting the water?Answer: no. Someone said something about "while water operations continue." Plus they were still by the system which allowed Starbuck to fall into a planet. So, one question answered. :)

I performed an experiment tonight. I TiVo'd Enterprise and waited until I could watch it immediately back-to-back with Galactica following.

I agree that this was not their best episode so far; might even be the weakest of the four. I agree that they'd better have a better explanation for the Cylons showing up than "plot convenience." And really, Enterprise was pretty good on its own scale.

But man, the thing is, Galactica is just in another league. Seen immediately back to back, the contrast is stunning.

That scene between Adama and Starbuck: Man. Enterprise wishes it had a conflict that rich.

I better stop; I don't mean to provoke a flamefest between dueling fans (and you know those are gonna heat up pretty soon, if they aren't already).


But can you tell I'm a total convert? :)

levdrakon
01-29-2005, 01:59 AM
Answer: no. Someone said something about "while water operations continue." Plus they were still by the system which allowed Starbuck to fall into a planet. So, one question answered. :)

Hm. They're still at the water planet. Boomer found the water. Cylons show up.

Hmm. Boomer. Water. Cylons. BooomerwaterCylonsshowupoutofthegreatvastnessofspace.

Nah. Can't be.

recurriman
01-29-2005, 02:22 AM
So many questions. And yeah, I know you UK dopers know the answers already, so shut up. :)


I'm not a british doper so, technically, I can answer your questions since i've already watched the full first season.

But I won't. Because I love you. Just remember that you owe me. One day, and that day may never come, yadda yadda.

I'll say one thing though (and don't worry, it's not a spoiler), The show actually doesn't suck yet. We'll see how long it lasts.

ElvisL1ves
01-29-2005, 06:12 AM
However, upon locating the fleet, wouldn't those Raiders immediately FTL jump back to their Basestar, or at least signal their Basestar?It may take them 33 minutes, or a large part of that, to recharge their flux capacitors for another jump. Meanwhile, the raiders might have thought they could get a lucky shot off against a less-than-diligent Galactica while they were there - if not for the training exercise, there would have been no Vipers to stop them. Or maybe they want to torment the humans into madness, slowly, before killing them?

Good drama, good backstory, good scene of Adama wanting to dismiss or even kill Starbuck but having to choke it down because only she can do a job that needs doing. I like it, I like it.

What's the deal with the Civil Defense shelter on Caprica? Real, or a Cylon plant to help Helo find La Resistance?

levdrakon, help me out, I haven't had my coffee. Are you thinking the Boomer Beacon is normally too low-powered to reach the basestar unless it's amplified by water?

Anyone else thinking that Starbuck and the Cylon raider pilot are about to re-enact scenes from "Enemy Mine" down there on the ice planet Hoth?

MaddyStrut
01-29-2005, 06:57 AM
I'm guessing the cylons have some way of transmitting signals FTL, and that's how they kept tracking the fleet in 33. So the raiders may have been able to signal their base star at the same time they were attacking the humans.

The episode did drag in places, but it picked up by the end. When the "to be continued" words came on my screen I was shocked that the entire hour was over!

I loved the second scene between Adama and Starbuck. I was really impressed with the look of controlled anger on Olmos' face. It wasn't the overdone anger face you sometimes see. He really looked like someone whose facial muscles are getting tense but he's trying to maintain an even expression. Nicely done! Also, the show did a really good job of showing the background behind the situation and the feelings both characters were dealing with. That scene was emotionally draining to watch! I really felt for Starbuck when he said "get out while you can still walk" (or something along those lines) even though I think she deserved it.

There were lots of little things I liked as well. For example, water still seemed to be precious. In the first scene with Adama and Starbuck, he pours two (rather small) glasses of water, and they look at it greedily then enjoy drinking it like it was a rare scotch or something. Also, when they showed the trainees starting their first flight, some of the vipers appeared to be a bit wobbly as if the pilots were over correcting their movements and, well, being "new" at it. In addition, I liked the bewildered look on the deck cheif when he was saying "I've had accidents before, but no deaths." He looked just like someone still in shock and a bit of denial over what just happened.

One question: did I see correctly that the landing docks have two entrances? It looked like when the trainee was attempting a landing and they waived her off that she flew out the other side. Did I see that correctly? (And I guess this is a second question--do they call trainees "nuggets" in any of the services or is that a BG thing?)

A couple things I don't love so much (though they don't really bother me all that much)...

I'm getting a bit tired of Starbuck being the best of the best of the best. She's the best pilot they have, and now she's the best pilot Adama has ever seen. She's the best shot. She's the best octagonal card pocker player (maybe 2nd to Baltar). Now she's also the best flight instructor.

Also, I hope the president's cancer isn't cured by some miracle alternative treatment. That's just too easy. This show is better than that.

Neurotik
01-29-2005, 08:21 AM
Meanwhile, the raiders might have thought they could get a lucky shot off against a less-than-diligent Galactica while they were there - if not for the training exercise, there would have been no Vipers to stop them. Or maybe they want to torment the humans into madness, slowly, before killing them?
Actually, I think it's just that the Raiders are mindless drones. See target, go kill target. No thoughts of self-preservation, or tactical retreat against a superior enemy.
Anyone else thinking that Starbuck and the Cylon raider pilot are about to re-enact scenes from "Enemy Mine" down there on the ice planet Hoth?
Nope, because I don't think there are Raider pilots. I think Raiders themselves are a Cylon model.
One question: did I see correctly that the landing docks have two entrances? It looked like when the trainee was attempting a landing and they waived her off that she flew out the other side. Did I see that correctly?
Sort of. There aren't two entrances, there's an entrance and an exit if you miss your landing - just like on a real aircraft carrier. I thought it was a great little detail.

ElvisL1ves
01-29-2005, 08:43 AM
One question: did I see correctly that the landing docks have two entrances? Yes, they're tubes with a door at each end. The launching catapults (railguns?) seem to have their own opening. That's another thing to love - the mundane technology details are all plausible, including the Vipers' maneuvering. I'm willing forgive the barometric altimeter in space, and its rapidly spooling higher during Starbuck's descent onto Hoth.

I'm getting a bit tired of Starbuck being the best of the best of the best.Mainly, like most of the humans, she's the only of the only at this point. And she isn't necessarily the best at everything, she just acts like it, like any stereotypical fighter jock in Hollywood. Or Vancouver, whichever.

Also, I hope the president's cancer isn't cured by some miracle alternative treatment. That's just too easy. This show is better than that.Depnds on the show's ratings and how they affect Mary McDonnell's contract demands. SciFi Channel does have a finite budget.

El_Kabong
01-29-2005, 08:49 AM
But man, the thing is, Galactica is just in another league. Seen immediately back to back, the contrast is stunning.

Yeah, this group, mostly, has some serious acting chops. Olmos in particular has been particularly impressive.

Oh, and judging from the scene involving Madame President and her doctor, someone associated with the show clearly wanted to get a pointed dig in at jaded MDs who treat their patients like pieces of meat. OK, maybe he's had to deal with a crushing, round the clock workload, and a lack of suitable equipment, but yoicks, was he being an asshole.

Sort of. There aren't two entrances, there's an entrance and an exit if you miss your landing - just like on a real aircraft carrier. I thought it was a great little detail.

Well, just thinking about it now, and I get the aircraft carrier metaphor they've using here, but if the Vipers can land via a runway-like deck (which I presume has some sort of artificial gravity system, as otherwise they might just as well land on the ceiling as the deck), seems like they could take off that way too, so what's the need for the launch tubes? Aside from "they're one of the kewlest things from the original series", that is.

Oh dear, look at me. I'm turning into a fanboy. I'll shut up now.

FilmGeek
01-29-2005, 08:52 AM
I thought about that barometric altimeter and I think the vipers were designed for space and planet-based flight, so it would make sense to have one.

El_Kabong
01-29-2005, 08:58 AM
I thought about that barometric altimeter and I think the vipers were designed for space and planet-based flight, so it would make sense to have one.

Right. I noted in at least one cockpit shot that they have an artificial horizon gauge, too. Yet I missed completely the altimeter going the wrong way. Chalk it up to willing suspension of disbelief, I guess.

WhyNot
01-29-2005, 09:01 AM
Well, just thinking about it now, and I get the aircraft carrier metaphor they've using here, but if the Vipers can land via a runway-like deck (which I presume has some sort of artificial gravity system, as otherwise they might just as well land on the ceiling as the deck), seems like they could take off that way too, so what's the need for the launch tubes? Aside from "they're one of the kewlest things from the original series", that is.
I don't know nothin' 'bout launchin' no spaceships, Miss Scarlett!

But if I were to WAG based on a loooong sci-fi fandom, I'd speculate that the launch tubes flick the Vipers out into space at least a few feet away from the ship before the Vipers power up fully. Having firey engines of death light up inside a spaceship seems like a bad idea. While they might be needed sometimes, like on landings, such things are most likely to go kablooey when you start them up, so doing so outside the physical structure of the ship seems like the way to go.

'Sides, they're cool. :D Almost as cool as the photon torpedo loaders in Enterprise - do they still show those? I hate the show, but I loved me a photon torpedo loader the first few times I tried to watch it. Thwack, shunk, schick, whizz!

Neurotik
01-29-2005, 09:32 AM
But if I were to WAG based on a loooong sci-fi fandom, I'd speculate that the launch tubes flick the Vipers out into space at least a few feet away from the ship before the Vipers power up fully. Having firey engines of death light up inside a spaceship seems like a bad idea.
Yup. If you watch the launch tubes, you can see a catapult system on the bottom of the tube just like on an aircraft carrier. Basically, they use the launch tubes to get the Vipers out of the ship and up to speed before they power up their main thrusters.

Lumpy
01-29-2005, 10:18 AM
Regarding the FTL drive, I may be wrong but it seems to me like FTL drives come in two versions: a short-range only version, compact enough to mount in a ship the size of a Raptor or Cylon raider, good for skipping about within a system. And a long-range version, with light-years range but bulky enough and requiring so much power that only larger ships can support one. Remember that in the pilot movie, the Cylon raiders that attacked the refugee fleet were presumably already in that system.

I would presume that the Cylon patrol was carried to that system by a base star and left there to scout for humans. I don't know if they could signal their base star FTL, but I would suppose they don't have the range to jump interstellar distances on their own. The previews for the next episode did hint that every moment spent looking for Starbuck was putting the fleet at risk since that Cylon patrol will be missed eventually.

BrotherCadfael
01-29-2005, 10:52 AM
Anyone else thinking that Starbuck and the Cylon raider pilot are about to re-enact scenes from "Enemy Mine" down there on the ice planet Hoth?There ARE no Cylon pilots. The entire ship is the Cylon, hence the bouncing ball eye on the nose.

[Mad Magazine]How-are-we-supposed-to-hit-anything-with-this-stupid-light-bouncing-back-and-forth-across-our -faces?[/Mad Magazine]

jimmmy
01-29-2005, 11:38 AM
I like it -- I really like the show.

What's going on back on Caprica?

That is an interesting plot line to me -- I am not sure what that is all about & it was totally unexpected & I have no idea what is going to happen.

So I am a big fan boy. And so having said that, I will act like one : In the previous two episodes since the attack Baltar has been just about schizophrenic: jumpy, agited, and totally unable to pass as normal -- at times shouting out like a guy with Tourette's syndrome. Next thing we know he is playing cards and in fact it is Starbuck who is wigging out, “the weird one” in this group - something is ringing a bit false in the character development there.

AmbushBug
01-29-2005, 12:44 PM
Anyone else thinking that Starbuck and the Cylon raider pilot are about to re-enact scenes from "Enemy Mine" down there on the ice planet Hoth?
It wouldn't be the first time - there was a BSG1980 episode where that exact thing happened. From here (http://members.cox.net/battlestar/starbuck.htm):

After crashing his viper, Starbuck is left behind on a lonely planet as the Fleet pushes on to escape the Cylons. Finding a crashed Cylon ship, he makes a companion out of the parts of the wrecked Centurions.
Another link. (http://www.allscifi.com/Board.asp?BoardID=278)

YPOD
01-29-2005, 04:15 PM
Maybe there is a military type out there who could give a better read, but the military life details they show seem more TV show like than real. You don't slug a superior officer and get away with it, no matter how important you are, you don't salute indoors without a cover, you don't decide to ignore direct orders like Apollo did negotiating with the terrorists, you don't drink like Starbuck and the other pilots do, when it appears at least, they are on standby, and why do the Vipers have to land so hot when all they have to do is reverse to slow down and match the Galactica's speed? Aslo, with the exception of when they are meetings, there seems to be a total lack of paperwork - they don't even complain about it. Maybe there is a better universe out there after all.

msmith537
01-29-2005, 04:55 PM
Maybe there is a military type out there who could give a better read, but the military life details they show seem more TV show like than real. You don't slug a superior officer and get away with it, no matter how important you are, you don't salute indoors without a cover, you don't decide to ignore direct orders like Apollo did negotiating with the terrorists, you don't drink like Starbuck and the other pilots do, when it appears at least, they are on standby, and why do the Vipers have to land so hot when all they have to do is reverse to slow down and match the Galactica's speed? Aslo, with the exception of when they are meetings, there seems to be a total lack of paperwork - they don't even complain about it. Maybe there is a better universe out there after all.


Except that this isn't the US military.

levdrakon
01-29-2005, 06:00 PM
levdrakon, help me out, I haven't had my coffee. Are you thinking the Boomer Beacon is normally too low-powered to reach the basestar unless it's amplified by water?

I don't remember exactly what my reasoning was last night, I was tired. But something like:

The Cylons lost the fleet. So Boomer sabotages the water tanks. Now the fleet has to find water, and Boomer is the one who finds it. I originally thought the reason Boomer couldn't "see" that her instruments had located water was because part of her thinks she's human and wants to help, but her Cylon programming wants her to hurt the fleet.

But what if the real conflict was this dilemma: Do I pretend not to find water, so maybe the fleet falls apart from dehydration? Or, do I find water so the fleet has to stay in one place long enough for Cylons to find them? She was ready to blow herself up until she resolved the dilemma.

Doesn't seem as inspired a theory today.

Cliffy
01-30-2005, 03:07 PM
I enjoyed the episode, but this is the first one that **could** have been an episode of Star Trek -- something that BSG has been successful at avoiding so far.

--Cliffy

levdrakon
01-30-2005, 06:18 PM
Maybe there is a military type out there who could give a better read, but the military life details they show seem more TV show like than real. You don't slug a superior officer and get away with it, no matter how important you are, you don't salute indoors without a cover, you don't decide to ignore direct orders like Apollo did negotiating with the terrorists, you don't drink like Starbuck and the other pilots do, when it appears at least, they are on standby, and why do the Vipers have to land so hot when all they have to do is reverse to slow down and match the Galactica's speed? Aslo, with the exception of when they are meetings, there seems to be a total lack of paperwork - they don't even complain about it. Maybe there is a better universe out there after all.

No, you don't slug someone and get away with it, but remember, Starbuck was already thrown in the brig. They had to let her out because she's, well, Starbuck, and "the best" at everything. Including insubordination.

Yes, you can and do salute indoors without a cover, when you're reporting to an officer. You don't however, salute every time your superior gives you a directive, in the normal course of your job.

As far as Apollo negotiating with terrorists, I can't defend him too much, but I guess as the officer in charge in the situation, you have to rely on him to make his own decisions. He is, after all, Adama's son, the CAG, and the President's advisor. If he can't make some independent command decisions, nobody can.

As for the Vipers coming in hot, that's a good question. What do the Vipers have for landing gear? It looks like little metal plates. Even in space, that seems like a bad idea. "The knuckle-draggers'll spend a week pounding the divots out of the deck." Yeah, well, if you weren't landing on little metal plates maybe the knuckle-draggers wouldn't have to.

ddgryphon
01-30-2005, 06:27 PM
Well, I don't want to be the big naysayer here, but. . .

This show has surprised me -- despite several difficulties with it, I think it is a show worthy of watching. Why? I like the drama, the character development, the situation. It doesn't take much to take what amounts to bubble gum SF (the original) and do something interesting with it -- what's hard is making people like it. IMHO this show suffers from it's own cliche difficulties and silliness, yet I feel compelled to tape and watch it. (so I'm obsessive/compulsive, so sue me).

However this particular episode (I liked the drama, I liked performances--with some exceptions) I found it practically unwatchable. The annoying jerky camera junk, the disjointed bounce of scenes. And I'm really at a loss, because much as I want to, I can't bring myself to like Starbuck or the Actress playing her. She has some moments, but her overall choices and those of the writers have left me feeling, "jeez, why does anyone care about or like this person?" She's Selfish, self-centered, insubordinate, arrogant, the list goes on and on -- she's a horrible person.

I'm also bugged by the stalking blonde bimbot that haunts the good doctor and is following Boomer and Helos is it? around Caprica.

It has many things to offer that Enterprise fails to deliver in terms of quality dramatic writing and performances, but sheesh, it is a terribly flawed show.

FWIW I don't hate it, but you'd hardly call me a fan, more an interested observer who winces a lot while watching.

Maus Magill
01-31-2005, 08:06 AM
Well, just thinking about it now, and I get the aircraft carrier metaphor they've using here, but if the Vipers can land via a runway-like deck (which I presume has some sort of artificial gravity system, as otherwise they might just as well land on the ceiling as the deck), seems like they could take off that way too, so what's the need for the launch tubes? Aside from "they're one of the kewlest things from the original series", that is.

I had supposed the landing of the vipers involved a magnetic cature system as a sort of tailhook. A skilled or experienced pilot (or would they be aviators?) would try to hit two of the three landing plates to get a hard landing. Once the vipors are landed an elevator would take the vipor (pilot and all) down to the prep deck. Remember, when you see the pilots get out of their vipors, they are not on the landing deck. After the vipors have been refueled and rearmed, they are then sent to the launch tubes.

Why use the launch tubes? Why not use the Battlestar's nearly limitless power to get the vipors up to speed, and save the vipors limited fuel? It seems more efficeint to me.

That, and they are cool.

Finagle
01-31-2005, 01:32 PM
I can't say this episode worked for me. Mostly, because no one on the ship seems to be acting as though their entire civilization was just nuked to ashes by klller robots . From the scenes of celebrating pilots at the beginning (unless that was a flashback?) to the scenes between Starbuck and Adama; I just didn't buy it. Two weeks after your planet was demolished, I don't think you'd have to be playing "remember when I sort of killed your son" in order to achieve the necessary character angst.

Munch
01-31-2005, 02:08 PM
I can't say this episode worked for me. Mostly, because no one on the ship seems to be acting as though their entire civilization was just nuked to ashes by klller robots . From the scenes of celebrating pilots at the beginning (unless that was a flashback?) to the scenes between Starbuck and Adama; I just didn't buy it. Two weeks after your planet was demolished, I don't think you'd have to be playing "remember when I sort of killed your son" in order to achieve the necessary character angst.
I sorta agree with this. However, I was under the mistaken impression that the accident at the beginning was a flashback, and it continued into more flashbacks - a technique that would have been interesting. But I also have a hard time buying into everyone on the deck dropping what they were doing to sing a song and spin the 1000-flights pilot around on a dolly for 5 minutes. Maybe if that was back in the flying-museum days. Maybe.

And what, this civilization doesn't have flight sims?!?

Regarding landing - either the landing decks are high gravity (they have to be generating it somewhere - the ship isn't spinning), or they're magnetic (or a bit of both). I don't have a problem with them coming in hot - Cylons are on their tail after all.

RogueRacer
01-31-2005, 02:26 PM
I can't say this episode worked for me. Mostly, because no one on the ship seems to be acting as though their entire civilization was just nuked to ashes by klller robots . From the scenes of celebrating pilots at the beginning (unless that was a flashback?) to the scenes between Starbuck and Adama; I just didn't buy it. Two weeks after your planet was demolished, I don't think you'd have to be playing "remember when I sort of killed your son" in order to achieve the necessary character angst.We are seeing the show from the military's (and some government) point of view, not the civilians. The military has a 24/7 purpose of protecting what is left. They have a routine to follow. I expect things would be much worse on the civilian transports where the people are currently just riding along.

I like this show. It's the first show (besides sports) that has made me watch any kind of non-premium television (ie. stuff with commercials) since B5. Olmos and McDonnell are very good. I've liked Olmos since Miami Vice. Ummm... not that I ever watched Miami Vice. must not admit to watching Miami Vice... must not admit...

Starbuck being the best at everything is getting a little old. The piloting stuff is expected. I don't think I would have tried to imply that she was a great flight instructor though. Just because she has great natural ability doesn't mean that she can teach it to others. Still, it's acceptable. I think the mistake was having her be the sniper. That pushed it too far. As far as the actress playing her, I think she's fine in the role. The exchange with her and Olmos was very good.

Getting back to Olmos, I have an odd comparison to make. He makes me think of Patrick Stewart. Hang in there with me for a moment so I can explain. The reason I think of the two in the same way is they both have a very commanding presence. They both have flawed appearances, but they are very charismatic. Their voices are the interesting part. Stewart has a nearly perfect voice whereas Olmos has a soft, gravel-ly voice. I think it's impressive that Olmos can be almost as commanding with so much less. I'm surprised he was never used as a villain in a big Hollywood production.

MaddyStrut
01-31-2005, 02:35 PM
And what, this civilization doesn't have flight sims?!?



I seem to recall Starbuck saying they didn't have flight sims available on board Galactica so they'd have to go out in the real thing right away.

I thought the 1000 flight celebration was present day. I don't fault them too much for trying to find a moment to celebrate. They've had a really sucky and tense couple weeks. Sometimes you take the celebrations wherever you can.

Tangent
01-31-2005, 03:37 PM
This engineering crew isn't looking too great. There was the bomb/explosive that fell and exploded at the munitions base in the mini-series, trapping Adama with the human-looking Cylon. Now we have the "drone" missile or whatever that falls on the flight deck and kills a bunch of pilots. Not to mention the deck chief's relationship with Boomer, who--to the best of his knowledge--is the likeliest suspect in the theft of the demolition caps and the sabatoge of the water supply.

I just hope the writers realize they've played out the "munition falls off cart" card and don't try to use it again.

I liked the drama in this episode. Especially that last scene between Starbuck and Adama. Very intense and well-acted.

I didn't care for the scenes with the rookies. Very cheesy. Hot Dog? C'mon! As someone else mentioned, that part felt a little too 'Star Trekkish.'

Sean Factotum
02-01-2005, 07:02 AM
I can't say this episode worked for me. Mostly, because no one on the ship seems to be acting as though their entire civilization was just nuked to ashes by klller robots . From the scenes of celebrating pilots at the beginning (unless that was a flashback?) to the scenes between Starbuck and Adama; I just didn't buy it. Two weeks after your planet was demolished, I don't think you'd have to be playing "remember when I sort of killed your son" in order to achieve the necessary character angst.
But humans aren't like that. You can only go for so long without cracking a smile, making a joke, or celebrating an accomplishment of one of your fellow survivors. If you can't take joy in the little things, even when Cylons are trying to exterminate you, you might as well save everyone else your share of the water and walk out an airlock right now.

I don't see any problem with plotlines and such from the original series being used in this version - as long as they don't go word for word with the dialogue and clean it up some.

And I saw last night on the rerun (missed it Friday) that Glen A. Larsen (creator of the original Battlestar Galactica) is a Consulting Producer. What the frak is that?

WhyNot
02-01-2005, 07:58 AM
And I saw last night on the rerun (missed it Friday) that Glen A. Larsen (creator of the original Battlestar Galactica) is a Consulting Producer. What the frak is that?
"Consulting Producer" is a weird title that could mean many things. It could mean he had one meeting with the current producers and hates everything they've decided to do, but his agent negotiated a consulting producer credit for him to "pay" for the meeting. It could mean he's on the phone or even on the set every day, offering anecdotes, memories or advice from the old show to keep things "Battlestarry." It could mean he's a scholar in some obscure branch of physics and gets called once every other month to answer whether or not a spaceship could do a barrel roll while maintaining forward momentum. And pretty much any involvement in between. The only thing it probably does not mean is it does not mean he's given, invested or handling any money in the process.

Hypno-Toad
02-01-2005, 01:33 PM
I do like the continuity in the plot. I noticed that Apollo still had the marks on his face from getting beaten on the prison ship.

How long before Col. Tigh builds a still? He was quick to ration his liquor, but it won't last long. Starbuck could take a lesson and start saving those cigars for special occasions. Baltar made a good point when he gave a fine cigar and noted that it was probably the last one anywhere.

As for the bomb shelter on Caprica, I imagine it's a Cylon attempt to lure in remaining humans. After all, Boomer knows it's there and so do the other two models that followed Boomer and Helo.

Lumpy
02-01-2005, 02:44 PM
their entire civilization was just nuked to ashes by klller robots . Damn, that could ruin your day. :)

tracer
02-02-2005, 10:21 AM
I don't have a problem with them coming in hot - Cylons are on their tail after all.
That would make sense, if the Vipers were coming in to the landing bay straight-on.

But in this episode, they showed Starbuck guiding the untrained "nugget" onto an approach course above the landing bay, on what looked for all intents and purposes like a glide slope. I even heard the words "call the ball" and "don't fly the lights" in that exchange, phrases used when making a modern aircraft-carrier landing because of the need for a landing airplane to follow a glide slope.

It just smacked of "Oh, sure, we'll have the Vipers maneuver like spacecraft when they're out in the open, but once they come in for a landing they're going to turn into airplanes because it looks way kewl."

Munch
02-02-2005, 10:26 AM
I do like the continuity in the plot. I noticed that Apollo still had the marks on his face from getting beaten on the prison ship.
Yup, that's how I (finally) figured out it wasn't another flashback.

As for the bomb shelter on Caprica, I imagine it's a Cylon attempt to lure in remaining humans. After all, Boomer knows it's there and so do the other two models that followed Boomer and Helo.
I dunno. I have a feeling that the Boomerbot model isn't ever aware that it's a Cylon. I'd guess that the bunker is a Cylon plant, but they made it so that Boomerbot & Co. would be able to easily find it.

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