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Large Marge
06-30-2005, 03:43 AM
Why isn't the latest movie called Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory?

I'm curious.

Anyone?

Richard Pearse
06-30-2005, 03:55 AM
Because the book is called Charlie and the Chocolate Factory?

Richard Pearse
06-30-2005, 03:58 AM
The book (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/sim-explorer/explore-items/-/0141301155/0/101/1/none/purchase/ref%3Dpd_sxp_r0/103-1489688-2403017).

A better question might be, "Why was the first movie NOT called Charlie and the Chocolate Factory?"

Large Marge
06-30-2005, 04:13 AM
Ah, I see. I've asked a stupid question.

Carry on.

GuanoLad
06-30-2005, 04:21 AM
The story is indeed about Charlie, and a Chocolate Factory, and not really about Willy Wonka at all, though of course he does figure prominently.

Richard Pearse
06-30-2005, 05:15 AM
Ah, I see. I've asked a stupid question.

Carry on.

There are no stupid questions.

DrMemory
06-30-2005, 05:59 AM
If you believe there are "No stupid questions"...you've never worked in retail sales. :rolleyes:

Bryan Ekers
06-30-2005, 06:03 AM
The book could spend several chapters introducing Charlie and his poverty-stricken life with his four invalid grandparents and all that crappy depressing stuff, but the original movie had no such free time and knows it has to get to the factory and Willy Wonka ASAP.

Or possibly Gene Wilder had a really good agent.

Richard Pearse
06-30-2005, 06:33 AM
There are no stupid questions.
...only stupid people :)

I don't think Large Marge is a stupid person though, just someone who's only exposure to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was via the first movie.

No I haven't worked in retail, but my wife does so I know what you mean, second hand.

Somehow 90% of my own brain cells seem to go into hybernation upon entering a shopping centre so I'm fairly forgiving of retail stupidity.

grimpixie
06-30-2005, 06:46 AM
There are no stupid questions.But there are a lot of inquisitive idiots (http://store.yahoo.com/demotivators/cluelessness.html).

Grim

RobuSensei
06-30-2005, 06:59 AM
There are no stupid questions.Back in college.... One day, after choir rehearsal, I walked up to the director (Dr. Armstrong) and said, "Can I ask you a stupid question?"

Naturally, he said, "There's no such thing as a stupid question. Go ahead."

My question: "Would you like to play Lieutenant Worf at a Star Trek "How To Host a Mystery" party?"

His response: He grabbed me by the lapels and shouted, "IT REALLY IS A STUPID QUESTION!!!"

And then he said yes. :)

I'm looking forward to the new film -- however it turns out. This is because I'm one of the apparently few people (as far as I know) who disliked the Gene Wilder version.

Pixisis
06-30-2005, 07:10 AM
I'm looking forward to the new film -- however it turns out. This is because I'm one of the apparently few people (as far as I know) who disliked the Gene Wilder version.

I never really cared for the Gene Wilder version , either. But, I have hopes for this one. :D

and I've always loved the book.

Enright3
06-30-2005, 07:28 AM
If you believe there are "No stupid questions"...you've never worked in retail sales. :rolleyes:
This may be true, but in my experience, there are stupid questions on both sides of the retail sales desk.

While looking at used cars with a friend of my from England the salesman heard him speak and said "You must be from Germany". :rolleyes:

...and be glad you don't have this person (http://www.aboutmyjob.com/main.php3?action=displayarticle&artid=2149) waiting on you! :)

Only Mostly Dead
06-30-2005, 07:31 AM
Back in college.... One day, after choir rehearsal, I walked up to the director (Dr. Armstrong) and said, "Can I ask you a stupid question?"

Naturally, he said, "There's no such thing as a stupid question. Go ahead."

My question: "Would you like to play Lieutenant Worf at a Star Trek "How To Host a Mystery" party?"

His response: He grabbed me by the lapels and shouted, "IT REALLY IS A STUPID QUESTION!!!"

And then he said yes. :)

I'm looking forward to the new film -- however it turns out. This is because I'm one of the apparently few people (as far as I know) who disliked the Gene Wilder version.
That story made my morning.

shadowfax33
06-30-2005, 07:57 AM
We have the DVD of the Gene Wilder version, and a few days ago my daughter was watching a documentary on the special features. I only saw it in passing, but I seem to recall TPTB talking about the candy bar tie-in. To help promote the "Wonka Bar," it was decided to call the movie "Willie Wonka and..." rather than "Charlie and..." Whoever was speaking on the documentary (sorry for being vague) found it amusing that the candy bar flopped, but the movie, which they had thought would flop, was successful.

Beware of Doug
06-30-2005, 09:37 AM
One day, after choir rehearsal [...] He grabbed me by the lapelsYou wore lapels to choir practice?

Where was this, Bob Jones U.? Did the ladies' skirts reach the floor?

RealityChuck
06-30-2005, 11:10 AM
Really obscure "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" trivia:

The inside jacket copy of the original edition was written by famous fantasy author Jane Yolen.

JXJohns
06-30-2005, 11:38 AM
If you believe there are "No stupid questions"...you've never worked in retail sales. :rolleyes:

Or IT Support

RobuSensei
06-30-2005, 12:29 PM
You wore lapels to choir practice?

Where was this, Bob Jones U.? Did the ladies' skirts reach the floor? :smack: Man, I shouldn't post after a 13 hour workday....

No, it wasn't lapels, I was wearing a windbreaker, unzipped, and he grabbed me by that. And shook me a couple of times.

And recommended that I ask a few more of the music faculty "because they're CRAAAAZY." (After he said yes, of course.)

Ponder Stibbons
06-30-2005, 12:58 PM
Why "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory"?

Because "Frank and the Fudge Packers" didn't sound quite right.

Skywatcher
06-30-2005, 01:51 PM
Why "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory"?

Because "Frank and the Fudge Packers" didn't sound quite right.Unless it's Tim Curry playing the lead.

mobo85
06-30-2005, 03:30 PM
To help promote the "Wonka Bar," it was decided to call the movie "Willie Wonka and..." rather than "Charlie and..." Whoever was speaking on the documentary (sorry for being vague) found it amusing that the candy bar flopped, but the movie, which they had thought would flop, was successful.

Indeed, the film was mainly a promotion tie-in. If you look at the opening credits, I believe the copyright notice reads something to the effect of "Wolper Productions and the Quaker Oats Company." (Quaker later sold the rights to the film to Warner Bros., as they no longer had a need for it after the candy bar failed.)

KGS
06-30-2005, 04:22 PM
To help promote the "Wonka Bar," it was decided to call the movie "Willie Wonka and..." rather than "Charlie and..." Whoever was speaking on the documentary (sorry for being vague) found it amusing that the candy bar flopped, but the movie, which they had thought would flop, was successful.
To elaborate, the Wonka Bar was recalled because it melted at room temperature. By the time they reworked the formula, the movie had already come and gone.

Leaper
06-30-2005, 04:47 PM
Back in college.... One day, after choir rehearsal, I walked up to the director (Dr. Armstrong) and said, "Can I ask you a stupid question?"

Naturally, he said, "There's no such thing as a stupid question. Go ahead."

My question: "Would you like to play Lieutenant Worf at a Star Trek "How To Host a Mystery" party?"

His response: He grabbed me by the lapels and shouted, "IT REALLY IS A STUPID QUESTION!!!"

And then he said yes. :)


Well, I'm sure it helped that he ended up playing the ultimate culprit. :)

pinkfreud
06-30-2005, 04:51 PM
I'd rather see Veruca and the Chocolate Factory.

Charlie already got the spotlight in the Gene Wilder version. Give Veruca a chance. GIVE IT NOW. :D

eleanorigby
06-30-2005, 04:55 PM
I've never been fond of the Wilder version either--I didn't think that movie was true to the book. The only kid I thought did a great job (besides Charlie-he was OK) was the girl who played Veruca Salt--loved her!

And the Wonka bar tasted like soap to me--it was lousy chocolate.

And, of course, there were no Golden Tickets, so......

Looking forward to this movie.

dangermom
06-30-2005, 06:15 PM
What was a Wonka bar like? It had chocolate, but what else? (I was too little.)

Scott Plaid
06-30-2005, 06:18 PM
I can't remember the original, but I freaking LOVE the new donutz (http://www.candyfavorites.com/shop/p2377.htm).

flood
07-01-2005, 12:12 PM
Holy Flying Fishnets Batman! I think I've found my first ever sig line.







That is, if it's OK with you Mr. DrMemory, sir.

flood
07-01-2005, 12:14 PM
Above post was with regard to above post #7.

Barbarian
07-02-2005, 08:39 AM
I can't remember the original, but I freaking LOVE the new donutz (http://www.candyfavorites.com/shop/p2377.htm).
At $24 a pop, you better.

Manda JO
07-02-2005, 09:34 AM
At $24 a pop, you better.


That's for a case of 24, with free shipping, it looks to me.

Moirai
07-02-2005, 09:44 AM
I think the original Wonka Bar was just chocolate but I can't remember. The ones you can buy now are chocolate and graham crackers, I think.

Czarcasm
07-02-2005, 10:09 AM
I think the original Wonka Bar was just chocolate but I can't remember. The ones you can buy now are chocolate and graham crackers, I think.
They are, indeed. My son and my Beloved each tried one and loved it. We didn't get a Golden Ticket, but my son does want to give the Donutz a try.

YWalker
07-02-2005, 10:53 AM
There are no stupid questions.
Is celibacy heriditary?
:D

Arwin
07-02-2005, 10:54 AM
Why isn't the latest movie called Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory?

I'm curious.

Anyone?

Less 'Willy Wanker' jokes? I mean, what was the guy (author) thinking? Actually, come to think of it, that question has probably already been asked. I should probably hit Google. :D

And a related question: has anyone ever seen a movie with the 21 Jump Street upstart that did, in fact, suck?

RobuSensei
07-02-2005, 12:29 PM
I never really cared for the Gene Wilder version , either. But, I have hopes for this one. :D

and I've always loved the book.I must note that several sources, including the IMDB, say that even Roald Dahl despised the Gene Wilder movie version! (Supposedly because the studio brought someone in to do a massive re-write of Dahl's original screenplay.)

Charlie Tan
07-02-2005, 12:44 PM
And a related question: has anyone ever seen a movie with the 21 Jump Street upstart that did, in fact, suck?

I haven't (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101917/) seen all (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118768/) his features (http://), but some of the (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112883/) linked titles don't seem (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099329/) to inspire much confidence. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0142688/)

Snowboarder Bo
07-02-2005, 02:23 PM
:D nice job Gaspode; thanks for saving me some time today

Bo

Moirai
07-02-2005, 05:54 PM
Hey now! Cry Baby wasn't bad at all! And a VERY tame John Waters film for newbies! ;)

It doesn't surprise me that a Roald Dahl script for children might need a touch of rewrite. Of course, I've not read his juvenile fiction, but I know I wouldn't let my kids near Switch Bitch, Kiss Kiss, Someone Like You or My Uncle Oswald! Well, maybe when they are at least 12! ;)

NDP
07-02-2005, 07:18 PM
There are no stupid questions.
"... just stupid people." (Mr. Garrison on South Park)

Burnt Sugar
07-02-2005, 07:58 PM
It doesn't surprise me that a Roald Dahl script for children might need a touch of rewrite. Of course, I've not read his juvenile fiction, but I know I wouldn't let my kids near Switch Bitch, Kiss Kiss, Someone Like You or My Uncle Oswald! Well, maybe when they are at least 12! ;)

He was one of my favourite authors when I was a kid. Great stories. Matilda, The BFG, Fantastic Mr Fox, James and the Giant Peach...

Burnt Sugar
07-02-2005, 07:59 PM
Sorry, my point was his kids books are suitable for kids.

Moirai
07-02-2005, 08:20 PM
Except for the damn scary undertone of Chocolate Factory... ;)

Superdude
07-02-2005, 08:34 PM
I haven't (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101917/) seen all (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118768/) his features (http://), but some of the (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112883/) linked titles don't seem (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099329/) to inspire much confidence. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0142688/)

Apparently, "his features" is so bad that you couldn't even list the film.

Katriona
07-03-2005, 10:14 AM
I can't remember the original, but I freaking LOVE the new donutz (http://www.candyfavorites.com/shop/p2377.htm).

I saw a "Wonka Bar" at Walgreen's the other day, and IIRC, it features graham crackers. I didn't get a close look, but wondered if it's supposed to be a S'Mores-style thing?

Scott Plaid
07-03-2005, 10:23 AM
I saw a "Wonka Bar" at Walgreen's the other day, and IIRC, it features graham crackers. I didn't get a close look, but wondered if it's supposed to be a S'Mores-style thing?No, I tried it. It is ok, but not great. It is simply a chocolate bar, with small pieces of graham in it.

USCDiver
07-03-2005, 11:37 AM
I prefer:
"There are no stupid questions, just stupid people who ask questions."

astorian
07-03-2005, 01:26 PM
I must note that several sources, including the IMDB, say that even Roald Dahl despised the Gene Wilder movie version! (Supposedly because the studio brought someone in to do a massive re-write of Dahl's original screenplay.)

Well, authors aren't always the best judges of movie versions of their work.

That said, Dahl's widow said in a recent NEwsweek that Dahl's biggest objection was the casting of the lead role. Dahl really wanted British comedian Spike Milligan to play Willy Wonka.

And while I thought Wilder did a fine job, I have to admit, Spike Milligan would have been an inspired choice.

zweisamkeit
07-03-2005, 10:08 PM
I saw a "Wonka Bar" at Walgreen's the other day, and IIRC, it features graham crackers. I didn't get a close look, but wondered if it's supposed to be a S'Mores-style thing?

I found the Wonka bar highly disappointing when I tried it (several years ago). It tastes like they took regular milk chocolate and added about, oh, five sacks of sugar into it for each bar. FAR, far too sweet.

Spectre of Pithecanthropus
07-03-2005, 10:37 PM
Just dropped in to say that today I saw the HBO "First Look" show about this movie, and it looks absolutely awesome in terms of following the descriptions in the book EXACTLY. Surprisingly, the producers went to great lengths actually to build real sets, as much as possible, rather than relying on animation or computer graphics. All the more surprising, since Tim Burton is the director.

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