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astro
10-29-2005, 04:41 PM
Not sure if this is a whoosh inside a whoosh. Are the weapons in this upcoming book for real or made up?

My Tank is Fight (http://www.somethingawful.com/booklist/index.htm)

I've never heard of most of these weapons so I thought it was about humorous made up weapons sort of like Bruce McCall's stuff (http://www.jamesgoodmangallery.com/mccall/available/CAPT.%20NAZI%20ROCKET%20GOLFCART.jpg), but the Christy Flying Tank (http://www.roadabletimes.com/roadables-modular_Christie.html) is apparently real... or is it?

toadspittle
10-29-2005, 04:54 PM
Not sure if this is a whoosh inside a whoosh. Are the weapons in this upcoming book for real or made up?

My Tank is Fight (http://www.somethingawful.com/booklist/index.htm)

I've never heard of most of these weapons so I thought it was about humorous made up weapons sort of like Bruce McCall's stuff (http://www.jamesgoodmangallery.com/mccall/available/CAPT.%20NAZI%20ROCKET%20GOLFCART.jpg), but the Christy Flying Tank (http://www.roadabletimes.com/roadables-modular_Christie.html) is apparently real... or is it?


I believe these are all drawing-board weapons/plans that never came to fruition. Some of the notions (partic. re: the German space program) do seem familiar.

Ringo
10-29-2005, 05:03 PM
Several sound familiar, especially the Ratte and the aircraft carrier made of Pykrete (ice with wood pulp in it). As noted, they were concept weapons that never went into production.

Number
10-29-2005, 05:05 PM
I've heard of some of these plans before, so I'm inclined to believe it's on the level.

I have a follow-up question though. Did the title phrase originate with the Darkest of the Hillside Thickets song My Tank or is that itself a reference to something else?

Harmonious Discord
10-29-2005, 05:14 PM
The remember reading about the ice aircraft carrier a long time ago. The weapons all seem to be the most unique of their kind from WW II. They didn't necessarily ever have even a prototype constructed.

jayjay
10-29-2005, 05:31 PM
The remember reading about the ice aircraft carrier a long time ago.

Project Habbakuk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Habbakuk), so called because of the passage in the Book of Habakkuk (after a small spelling error): "…be utterly amazed, for I am going to do something in your days that you would not believe, even if you were told." ( Habakkuk 1:5, NIV)

Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor
10-29-2005, 07:39 PM
Every single one of them was at least being considered, & at least a couple were under developement.

Pushkin
10-29-2005, 08:35 PM
So not a thread about death rays from a certain period of the last century then :p

Harmonious Discord
10-29-2005, 08:49 PM
I knew the ice aircraft carrier had been discussed. The links in the old posts are to none existing web pages. This thread has it and some other unique items like a cement ship.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=10733&highlight=ice+aircraft+carrier

Der Trihs
10-30-2005, 12:14 AM
From answers.com, we have mention of both the "Ratte" and the "Monster". Link (http://www.answers.com/topic/p-1000)

P-1000


Wikipedia
P-1000
The Landkreuzer P-1000 "Ratte" (Rat) was to have been an extremely large tank for use by Nazi Germany during World War II. It was designed in 1942 by Krupp with the approval of Adolf Hitler, but the project was canceled by Albert Speer in early 1943 and none were ever completed.

The 1000 metric ton Krupp P 1000 "Ratte", started construction but was cancelled before completion. It would have carried two 280mm guns (mounted in the same type of gun turret used in Gneisenau class warships), a single 128mm gun, eight 20mm Flak 38 anti-aircraft guns and two 15mm Mauser MG 151/15 guns.

Weighing in at 1000 metric tons (a million kilograms, or 2.2 million pounds), the P-1000 would have been over five times heavier than the Maus, the largest tank ever actually built.

It would have been equipped with six 1.2 meter tracks with three tracks per side. Its power would have come from two MAN V12Z32/44 24 cylinder Diesel marine engines with 8500hp each or eight Daimler-Benz MB501 20 cylinder Diesel marine engines with 2000hp each to achieve the 16000hp needed to move this tank.

The primary armament was a warship-like turret holding a pair of 280mm naval guns. One such turret was built before the project was canceled, and was installed in a coastal defense battery in Norway. In addition to these guns, the same type used in Gneisenau class warships, the P-1000 was to have carried a single 128mm gun, eight 20mm Flak 38 anti-aircraft guns and two 15mm Mauser MG 151/15 guns.

An even heavier device, the P-1500 "Monster", was in the very early stages of design when both projects were canceled. It was meant to be a self-propelled version of the Schwerer Gustav (or Dora) 800mm siege cannon.

It can be noted that an actual military application of this tank would be almost impossible to find; indeed, such a vehicle would likely be unable to travel over most paved roads and bridges for risks of buckling them under its massive weight. The vehicle would additionally have been essentially incapable of dodging enemy units or avoiding land mines, and vulnerable to demolition charges and airstrikes.
By the way, the "Maus" tank mentioned was also impractical; only a few were built. Here's an article (http://www.achtungpanzer.com/pz7.htm).

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