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twickster
01-18-2007, 12:57 PM
Rosie O'Donnell seems to have made it her mandate to get involved in pissing matches with various celebs. She started with the Kelly Ripa/Clay Aiken incident; then went after Donald Trump; and is now badmouthing Paula Abdul.

Is this just ratings-grabbing assholery? Well, yeah, duh, of course -- but why has she staked out this particular form of celebrity-bashing performance art?

Antinor01
01-18-2007, 01:14 PM
Perhaps because she really is just a bitch at heart and is making up for all those years of being Ms Nice To Everyone? That's my theory anyway.

Otto
01-18-2007, 01:36 PM
Back before she was the Queen of Nice on Daytime TV Rosie was a standup comic and she regularly did some celebrity bashing as part of her routines. This is just a return to a very old form.

Hampshire
01-18-2007, 01:41 PM
She seems to be doing what most people do when they gab around the water cooler at work. Make fun of the goof celebrities that are in the headlines recently.
Letterman and Leno do it every night in their monolouges.

I have no idea why people are making a big deal of it with the whole "Did you hear what Rosie said today?" or why these celebrities are striking back at her when there a whole lot of other people around making the same jokes.

Leno seems to make "Paris is a slut" type jokes every night yet she still comes by to be on his show.

Honey
01-18-2007, 01:49 PM
I predict her next target will be Isaiah Washington (http://www.accesshollywood.com/news/ah3578.shtml).

Caridwen
01-18-2007, 01:52 PM
Rosie O'Donnell seems to have made it her mandate to get involved in pissing matches with various celebs. She started with the Kelly Ripa/Clay Aiken incident; then went after Donald Trump; and is now badmouthing Paula Abdul.

Is this just ratings-grabbing assholery? Well, yeah, duh, of course -- but why has she staked out this particular form of celebrity-bashing performance art?


Are you talking about remarks she made on the show or what you read on gossip sites or in the news? She didn't bring the topics up.

If you've ever watched the View, that's what those women do-sit around and talk about people. Personally, I hate the show. Her remarks always have a little more edge than the others and get a little more publicity, but all 3 or 4 of them sit around and talk about people. That's what the show is about. It's not like she's spouting this stuff to anyone who will listen.

Regarding Paula Abdul - anyone who doesn't think she's on something isn't living on the same planet as I am. I know people with substance abuse problems and she has one. It'd be nice if someone could convince her to get some help for her own sake.

I'm not defending her, but it seems like her remarks are always the remarks that make the news. The other women make remarks as well and are usually agreeing with her.

Sapo
01-18-2007, 01:52 PM
Letterman and Leno don't look like angry snarls with an axe to grind. They make the joke and people know it is supposed to be funny. Rosie makes a comment and you are left thinking what's behind it.

anu-la1979
01-18-2007, 01:54 PM
I haven't read what she said about Paula Abdul but Pabs definitely crazy or on SOMETHING. I watched her infamous Today show segment and was torn between trying to figure out whether she had late on-set mental retardation or was really really really stoned.

Nutty Bunny
01-18-2007, 01:54 PM
I have no idea why people are making a big deal of it with the whole "Did you hear what Rosie said today?" or why these celebrities are striking back at her when there a whole lot of other people around making the same jokes.

Leno seems to make "Paris is a slut" type jokes every night yet she still comes by to be on his show.

The difference is that Rosie's comments aren't usually phrased as "jokes" and they're more mean-spirited than Leno and Letterman's writers are. There's no wit behind her comments. She sounds very immature and bitter.

Besides, you and me doing the same thing around the watercooler is different because it's not on national television and they aren't our peers we're attacking.

Smooth Jack
01-18-2007, 01:56 PM
There was once a nice Rosie. Learn something new everyday.

Caridwen
01-18-2007, 02:00 PM
The difference is that Rosie's comments aren't usually phrased as "jokes" and they're more mean-spirited than Leno and Letterman's writers are. There's no wit behind her comments. She sounds very immature and bitter.

Besides, you and me doing the same thing around the watercooler is different because it's not on national television and they aren't our peers we're attacking.

Do you think Rosie's remarks sound meaner when she says them on the show than the other women?

Nutty Bunny
01-18-2007, 02:01 PM
Are you talking about remarks she made on the show or what you read on gossip sites or in the news? She didn't bring the topics up.


Wrong. She attacked Donald Trump and Kelly Ripa first. She had no dog in either fight (Donald Trump's Miss USA press conference and Kelly vs. Clay), but decided to be a complete bitch and deliberately attack them. She said Kelly was homophobic and that Trump isn't one to talk about morals.

Caridwen
01-18-2007, 02:37 PM
She may or may not have brought the topic up initially, I rarely watch the show. My point is that all three or four women on the show sit around and yack about people. That's what they do. It's not like she's holding press conferences or anything. No one is trying to stop her from saying things or disagreeing with her. It's a talk show.

You don't have to have a dog in the fight to have an opinion about something, do you? Especially when your hired to do a job based on your personality the way she was. They hired one attention whore to replace the attention whore who left. If they sat around and talked about lip gloss I doubt if anyone would watch.

Nutty Bunny
01-18-2007, 02:51 PM
I understand that's what they do. When I was home for a few weeks during my pregnancy, I watched the show. When Meredith Viera was there, the show had a MUCH different feel. They talked about all the topics of the day, watercooler-style, but I don't remember anyone being as mean as Rosie. Yeah, they'd make judgements about people, but with little more than a tsk-tsk. No one attacked other celebrities like Rosie's doing.

She can feel free to have all the opinions she wants and has the right to say what she feels. But I also feel free to call her a bitch for her comments.

Seven
01-18-2007, 02:54 PM
She's lazy.

Bashing people is easy material. Old insults can be renewed with slightly different wording. And she's not even very good at it. She's just a snarky bitch.

I've seen better insults invented here.

meek
01-18-2007, 03:27 PM
After this quote, I don't listen to anything that comes out of her mouth.

Rosie on the topic of teaching math in schools...

"I think there's no way they should have to teach it, now. We have computers. We no longer need to know why 3X equals 2Y over 4. Or if a bus
leaves Utah at 4 pm, how many blonde-haired people [are] on it? I mean, how
the hell do you figure that out?"

For that, and for her not being funny, ever.

Caridwen
01-18-2007, 03:38 PM
After this quote, I don't listen to anything that comes out of her mouth.

Rosie on the topic of teaching math in schools...

"I think there's no way they should have to teach it, now. We have computers. We no longer need to know why 3X equals 2Y over 4. Or if a bus
leaves Utah at 4 pm, how many blonde-haired people [are] on it? I mean, how
the hell do you figure that out?"

For that, and for her not being funny, ever.


Sadly, there are probably people at home nodding in agreement when she said that.

When I was working in retail and people used to write checks I actually had women who would ask me to fill out their check for them because they didn't know how. They were buying glasses for their kids. Or I'd have them ask me if they could round off the numbers so it was easier to subtract.

Count on it, they know their demographics. And it was no accident why she was hired. I see her remarks almost like performance art. She wouldn't make the remarks that she does it she wasn't encouraged to do so.

yellowval
01-18-2007, 03:50 PM
Can I get a link? I can't seem to find what it is that Rosie said about Paula. If it's that she seems like she's drunk/on drugs, she's got a point. We talk about it in the American Idol threads all the time.

Personally, I can't stand Rosie. She's been attacking people in this way for a long time. I quit watching her show after she attacked Tom Selleck about gun control. I think she's loud, obnoxious, and a know-it-all.

want2know
01-18-2007, 04:50 PM
Can I get a link? I can't seem to find what it is that Rosie said about Paula. If it's that she seems like she's drunk/on drugs, she's got a point. We talk about it in the American Idol threads all the time.

Personally, I can't stand Rosie. She's been attacking people in this way for a long time. I quit watching her show after she attacked Tom Selleck about gun control. I think she's loud, obnoxious, and a know-it-all.
Here ya go! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH9ISJ2tnrU)

According to Pliny
01-18-2007, 05:50 PM
Rosie's problem is as Trump described. She's one of fame's also-rans and she resents anyone else who gets any attention. Of course that's his problem as well :D

monstro
01-18-2007, 06:32 PM
I understand that's what they do. When I was home for a few weeks during my pregnancy, I watched the show. When Meredith Viera was there, the show had a MUCH different feel. They talked about all the topics of the day, watercooler-style, but I don't remember anyone being as mean as Rosie. Yeah, they'd make judgements about people, but with little more than a tsk-tsk. No one attacked other celebrities like Rosie's doing.

She can feel free to have all the opinions she wants and has the right to say what she feels. But I also feel free to call her a bitch for her comments.

I think you touched on it. Meredith was the NICE one. She'd have her opinions, but as the leader of the group, she always kept herself a bit apart from the yickity-yack usually created by Joy and Star. Now Rosie is not only the leader, doing a lot of the talking, but also the main yickity-yack generator. It's a weird thing because we're used to others doing this. Last time I caught the show, Joy was pretty much mute the whole time.

It seems to me that Meredith was more of a moderator, whereas Rosie is more of a participant. Also, let's face it, Rosie is just more provocative than Meredith. It's her job as a comedian to say controversial things--and you can get away with this if it's your show. But it's not Rosie's show. I think Rosie's still trying to strike a balance between what's she used to doing and what's she's expected to do. Viewers are also having to do some adjusting.

All that said, even though I don't care for Rosie as an entertainer (and I hate her cattiness regarding Star), I think the hoopla over her remarks have been overblown. The Trump looked far more jerkier than she did, and Paula Abdul ain't some sacred lamb that can't be discussed. I just think Rosie needs to find a better way to talk about people so that it suits the daytime TV crowd's sensibilities. That's her job.

want2know
01-18-2007, 08:39 PM
All that said, even though I don't care for Rosie as an entertainer (and I hate her cattiness regarding Star), I think the hoopla over her remarks have been overblown. The Trump looked far more jerkier than she did, and Paula Abdul ain't some sacred lamb that can't be discussed. I just think Rosie needs to find a better way to talk about people so that it suits the daytime TV crowd's sensibilities. That's her job.

The same "daytime TV crowd" that was exposed to Paula Abdul's obviously drunken rant on every morning news show across the country? :rolleyes:

I'm no fan of The View , and don't care as much for Rosie as I used to, but she was right on target! While Mrs. Know and I were watching AI, we commented to each other about what was really in Paula's cup! I don't see any over-reaction, though. I think most people agreed with Rosie (at least most people I've spoken to.)

And, personally, I'd rather listen to Rosie rant than Joy Behar any day!

Rubystreak
01-18-2007, 09:20 PM
Wrong. She attacked Donald Trump and Kelly Ripa first. She had no dog in either fight (Donald Trump's Miss USA press conference and Kelly vs. Clay), but decided to be a complete bitch and deliberately attack them. She said Kelly was homophobic and that Trump isn't one to talk about morals.

I don't give a crap about Rosie, Kelly, The Donald, or whoever, but, I have to ask. Is Kelly Ripa homophobic? What is the evidence? And if she is, shouldn't she get her shit called out about it? Rosie is gay, so I can see why she would have a problem with it.

As for Trump, well, he is being a giant hypocrite to talk about other people being immoral, isn't he? Kind of a giant scumbag enforcing moral standards on other. How is Rosie being a giant bitch by pointing out this fact?

If Paula Abdul has a drug problem and it's so obvious that everyone knows, is it wrong for Rosie to say something?

I guess what I'm asking is, is what Rosie's saying factually incorrect? Or are people saying it's wrong to say stuff about these topics? Or is it how she's saying it that people object to? Just wondering. Not defending Rosie per se.

Caridwen
01-18-2007, 09:35 PM
That's a very, very weird show. I was at my sisters house helping her make curtains and she likes this show and had it on.

This was an episode where Elizabeth disagreed with Barbara about politics or something. Did anyone see that? Anyway, Elizabeth got a little bit huffy with Babs and she told her to calm down. After the commercial, Elizabeth was practically sitting on Barbara's lap CRYING!!!

Seriously! What grown woman on TV sits on another woman's lap and cries because they disagreed with each other? It was the most bizarre thing I ever saw. After that, you'd have to tie me to a chair to get me to watch that show.

I personally didn't think anything she's said was that bad. That skinny little Kelly girl is annoying. So is The Donald. And Paula needs to get to a rehab stat. Do a lot of people even watch this show that it matters? Barbara Walters must be laughing all the way to the bank because ratings are through the roof.

drillrod
01-19-2007, 01:38 AM
The "Kelly Ripa is a homophobe" thing arose from when Clay Aiken was co-hosting "Live with Regis and Kelly" and covered Kelly's mouth with his hand during an interview. She took offense at him touching her unexpectedly like that and reacted accordingly.

Rosie jumped to conclusions and felt free to criticize Kelly for her obvious homophobia, because it Clay were straight she wouldn't have gotten upset about it. :rolleyes:

Clay and Kelly, so far as I know, have joked about it, but Rosie...

Rosie made a pretty broad assumption, levied a rather serious and public accusation against Kelly and was a bitch about it. Screw her.

Dr. Rieux
01-19-2007, 01:47 AM
Trump is the one who's being a mean-spirited ass. Rosie seems (to me) more amused than angry at his continuing idiocy.

singular1
01-19-2007, 06:09 AM
I don't watch it, but I do listen at work on my radio. I think Rosie has a serious problem with depression or is bipolar, sez Dr. singular. These feuds are taking their toll on her, and it is evident in her voice. I think she's tired of the fights she's started, but she can't just quit and go home. Having said that, she's a judgemental, mean-spirited, petty hypocrytical bitch, and brings all of her misery on herself. Your kid brings you beer because you sound depressed? Good parenting there.

gigi
01-19-2007, 08:18 AM
The "Kelly Ripa is a homophobe" thing arose from when Clay Aiken was co-hosting "Live with Regis and Kelly" and covered Kelly's mouth with his hand during an interview. She took offense at him touching her unexpectedly like that and reacted accordingly.

Rosie jumped to conclusions and felt free to criticize Kelly for her obvious homophobia, because it Clay were straight she wouldn't have gotten upset about it. :rolleyes:But a couple of days later Rosie didn't have any problem doing a bad/offensive Chinese "accent". You can't have it both ways.

Loach
01-19-2007, 08:25 AM
If Paula Abdul has a drug problem and it's so obvious that everyone knows, is it wrong for Rosie to say something?

I guess what I'm asking is, is what Rosie's saying factually incorrect? Or are people saying it's wrong to say stuff about these topics? Or is it how she's saying it that people object to? Just wondering. Not defending Rosie per se.

The problem is the context. She was complaining that AI has been reduced to making fun of people's problems and defects. In the same breath she makes fun of Paula Abdul for having a substance problem. She complained about the state of American culture if that is what we consider entertainment then uses the same tactic on her show against someone else.

Trunk
01-19-2007, 12:21 PM
I think Rosie's just about the only person on TV without a problem.

She's probably TOO brash about it, but I really admire her being on TV and poking holes in the whole culture of celebrity worship that currently exists around personalities like Ripa, Trump, Paris, all that shit that sells People magazine and Entertainment Tonight.

These people are fucking buffoons. I don't even care if Rosie is wrong, or unapologetic about it. The current status of pop culture is SO SKEWED in the other direction, it takes a little sand.

There's a nice clip of her getting into it with Babs Walters one day. . .calling Babs out for being superwealthy, having Picassos on the walls, going to some party with Kissinger. Walters was getting real upset. Nice.

Nutty Bunny
01-19-2007, 03:15 PM
Rosie jumped to conclusions and felt free to criticize Kelly for her obvious homophobia, because it Clay were straight she wouldn't have gotten upset about it. :rolleyes:

Clay and Kelly, so far as I know, have joked about it, but Rosie...

Rosie made a pretty broad assumption, levied a rather serious and public accusation against Kelly and was a bitch about it. Screw her.

Not to mention the (maybe not so broad) assumption that Clay is gay. For someone who is gay, you'd think she would at least want to respect his privacy and not "out" him by saying what Kelly did was homophobic. He has been avoiding the questions about his sexuality and then she steps in and throws fuel on the rumor fire. Nice, eh?

Like you said, if he were presumed to be straight, she would never thought anything of the comment.

Nutty Bunny
01-19-2007, 03:23 PM
Like you said, if he were presumed to be straight, she would never thought anything of the comment.

I mean she would never have thought anything of Kelly's reaction to Clay's hand over her mouth.

gonzomax
01-19-2007, 08:44 PM
Ratings have shot up over 10% since she arrived.

Guinastasia
01-19-2007, 09:01 PM
The "Kelly Ripa is a homophobe" thing arose from when Clay Aiken was co-hosting "Live with Regis and Kelly" and covered Kelly's mouth with his hand during an interview. She took offense at him touching her unexpectedly like that and reacted accordingly.

Rosie jumped to conclusions and felt free to criticize Kelly for her obvious homophobia, because it Clay were straight she wouldn't have gotten upset about it. :rolleyes:

Clay and Kelly, so far as I know, have joked about it, but Rosie...

Rosie made a pretty broad assumption, levied a rather serious and public accusation against Kelly and was a bitch about it. Screw her.

It was because Kelly made the comment, "Well, who knows where his hands have been!"

Which is, of course, a very old saying, usually meaning he might have used the bathroom without washing his hands, or something like that, right?

Plus, Clay has not come out, as far as I know, so it was pretty presumptious of Rosie to make that remark.

I can't stand her. I heard that she forced her partner to stop breastfeeding their child because, SHE, Rosie, felt left out.

She's an insecure hypocrite.

Caridwen
01-19-2007, 09:21 PM
I think Rosie's just about the only person on TV without a problem.

She's probably TOO brash about it, but I really admire her being on TV and poking holes in the whole culture of celebrity worship that currently exists around personalities like Ripa, Trump, Paris, all that shit that sells People magazine and Entertainment Tonight.

These people are fucking buffoons. I don't even care if Rosie is wrong, or unapologetic about it. The current status of pop culture is SO SKEWED in the other direction, it takes a little sand.

There's a nice clip of her getting into it with Babs Walters one day. . .calling Babs out for being superwealthy, having Picassos on the walls, going to some party with Kissinger. Walters was getting real upset. Nice.

I feel the same way. Nothing wrong with getting into someone's face every once in awhile. Right or wrong, I think it's sort of funny because they're all a bunch of phonies. She's just saying in public what most people have said anyway.

Is there anyone on the planet besides two of Clay's fans that don't know he's gay? So what? I loved someone putting their hand over Kelly's mouth. It should happen more often. There isn't anyone that loves herself more than she does. If I hear Kelly say she looks fat one more time I might drive to the studio and put my hand over her mouth.

Nutty Bunny
01-19-2007, 09:56 PM
Is there anyone on the planet besides two of Clay's fans that don't know he's gay? So what?

So what? How about the fact that he's apparently not ready to come out and she didn't respect that. As a gay woman, shouldn't she be a little more sensitive to that?

I loved someone putting their hand over Kelly's mouth. It should happen more often.

On this, we agree.

Caridwen
01-19-2007, 10:04 PM
Did he care? I thought they were friends.

Here's a typical example of why I do love to see celebs put in their place from time to time.
This isn't the first time I read about celebs doing this stuff. How self-involved do you have to be to have it in your contract that people can't look at you or talk to you? They all do stuff like this.

http://www.tmz.com/2007/01/19/halle-warns-the-help-dont-speak-to-me/

So yea, I love when someone is honest and calls them on it. I wish she'd talk about this stuff everyday and I might start watching the show.

twickster
01-20-2007, 07:27 AM
... They all do stuff like this.

http://www.tmz.com/2007/01/19/halle-warns-the-help-dont-speak-to-me/

....
$57K to refinish kitchen cabinets? I could redo my entire kitchen and install a bathroom for less than that.

rowrrbazzle
01-20-2007, 02:39 PM
I saw a clip of Kathy Griffin recently on YouTube. She said her gay friends' first reaction was that Ripa's remark was homophobic, but with a bit of reflection decided maybe not.

There's a nice clip of her getting into it with Babs Walters one day. . .calling Babs out for being superwealthy, having Picassos on the walls, going to some party with Kissinger. Walters was getting real upset. Nice.A wealthy person calling out a wealthier person for being wealthier? I don't give a shit about either one of them, but I wouldn't call it "nice".

Rosie's against guns, but her bodyguard carried (carries) one.

Hmm, is there a pattern here?

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