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BlackKnight
11-19-2000, 01:11 PM
I saw this movie the other day with my over-enthusiastic sister. She even brought her little stuffed Grinch doll to the movie, and practicly bounced with excitement the entire time.

Sadly, both her and I were generally disappointed with the movie.

Since the movie is obvious targeted to children, the creators apparantly thought it neccessary to include some material that would make it at least bearable for the adults who brought children to see the movie. Nearly all of this material made me cringe.

For example:
- A love interest between the Grinch and a Who
- Swear words. I noticed "hell" and "bitchin'".
- Sexuality. The Grinch, at one point, falls and lands face first into the cleavage of a Who. Also, there is unneccessary kissing. I have nothing against kissing (even between Whos) but this is a Dr. Seuss story for cryin' out loud! (FTR, I loved the explanation of where little Whos come from.)

Some of the jokes were out of place. At one point in the film, the Grinch hails a taxi, which drives right by him. He yells after it, "It's because I'm green, isn't it?" Somewhat humorous reference to black people having trouble getting taxis, but it didn't deserve to be in this movie.

Also, there was a scene where the Grinch steals a tiny Who car and drives it, eventually crashing. (He had taken a drink of alcohol beforehand. Ha. Ha.) The car is in tiny little flames, and the Grinch starts running. Things start moving in slow motion. Predictably, the tiny car bursts into a HUGE explosion. In another movie, such an occurance would have been a hilarious tweak-of-the-nose to those movies where nearly everything blows up big. But this is "How the Grinch Stole Christmas"! There shouldn't be explosions of any type!

The absolute worst part of the movie was the explanation of the Grinch's grinchiness. He was mocked in school. Great galloping goober flingers, I don't need (nor want) an explanation of why he's grinchy, especially not such a corny one!

There were some good things, though. Cindy Lou Who (who was not more than two, in the book) is absolutely precious, and plays a much greater role in the movie than in the book. The sets and cosumes are very Seussian (I love the hair styles) and well-crafted. Jim Carrey, of course, makes a perfect Grinch. And Max, the dog, should win an Oscar for best supporting actor.

I understand that the movie had to add some things. If it followed the book perfectly, it would last maybe twenty minutes, at most. Still, most of what was added was not, IMHO, appropriate or interesting.

Paradoxically, I believe the movie would have appealed more to adults if the "adult" material had been left out. I know I would have enjoyed it more, for it would have been truer to the Seussian vision. My sister agrees; she's 21.

Have any other Dopers seen this movie? If so, what did you think of it?

kasuo
11-19-2000, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by BlackKnight
(FTR, I loved the explanation of where little Whos come from.)

Did you happen to notice that the party was a key/swingers party? I'm glad kids don't know the significance of those keys, unless they begin to ask..


Also, there was a scene where the Grinch steals a tiny Who car and drives it, eventually crashing. (He had taken a drink of alcohol beforehand. Ha. Ha.) The car is in tiny little flames, and the Grinch starts running. Things start moving in slow motion. Predictably, the tiny car bursts into a HUGE explosion. In another movie, such an occurance would have been a hilarious tweak-of-the-nose to those movies where nearly everything blows up big. But this is "How the Grinch Stole Christmas"! There shouldn't be explosions of any type!

You have to admit though, it was funny to see this farce of big action movies.


And Max, the dog, should win an Oscar for best supporting actor.

No kidding. In the movie, the dog was the best actor.

They probably should've had more rhyming in the movie; I think that's what was missing.

Anake
11-19-2000, 02:06 PM
I too, found some of the "adult" jokes a bit immature. And at some parts, I found Carrey's Grinch a re-hashing of all of his past characters (I've mentioned this in another post, but oh well): Ace Ventura, The Riddler, and Tony Clifton (like I mentioned before, even though Clifton was Andy Kaufman's alter ego..still). I did like the whole Cheermeister Celebration, especially the sack race where Grinch is pushing down Whos and snickering.

From,

Anake

Freudian Slit
11-19-2000, 03:28 PM
This movie looks damned disturbing! *shudder* Live Action Grinch...No...

BlackKnight
11-19-2000, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by kasuo
Did you happen to notice that the party was a key/swingers party? I'm glad kids don't know the significance of those keys, unless they begin to ask..

Uhoh. Do I dare ask what a key/swingers party is? I just assumed the keys were being collected because they were drunk and didn't want anyone driving home.

wring
11-19-2000, 03:44 PM
a "key party" is where one of each couple drop their keys in a bowl, and at the end of the night, pull out another set of keys, and the couples are re-paired in this manner
(for example, man tosses in keys, woman selects keys, goes home with owner of same).

Not that I have personal knowledge. I read a lot.

Pammipoo
11-19-2000, 03:55 PM
Personally, i thought the movie kicked ass. It was lighthearted and funny, and it was a lot better than sitting home on a friday night. It was rated PG, so you can't expect a completely innocent movie. Just because it's based on a kid's book, that doesn't mean it's aimed only for kids.

The "adult scenes" were humorous and even kind of subtle, I wouldn't have noticed most of them had I been younger. Hell, I'm 18, and I still didn't catch some of them!


Ron Howard did the best he could with a limited storyline. He had to add stuff in somewhere, to make any money at all. The original Dr Seuss movie was what, 30 minutes? Personally, if I'm gonna pay $8.50 for a movie ticket, I want more than half an hour.

But that might just be me.

delphica
11-19-2000, 04:14 PM
I am not a parent, but each Thanksgivning weekend I have three children to bring to a movie. Is this movie OK for a 5 year old? Or should I be looking at Rugrats in Paris?

Many thanks!

ladybug
11-19-2000, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by Anake
I too, found some of the "adult" jokes a bit immature. And at some parts, I found Carrey's Grinch a re-hashing of all of his past characters (I've mentioned this in another post, but oh well): Ace Ventura, The Riddler, and Tony Clifton (like I mentioned before, even though Clifton was Andy Kaufman's alter ego..still).

This was something that turned me off of the movie when I first saw the trailer. My brother and I were in the theater, and after about a minute of watching Carrey's performance I turned to my brother and said, "OK, that's just wrong." He agreed. We both thought he was channeling the Riddler when he did this part.

Zoggie, I have to agree with you ... there should not be a live-action version of the Grinch. I don't think I'll be going to this movie.

BlackKnight
11-19-2000, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by Pammipoo
The "adult scenes" were humorous and even kind of subtle, I wouldn't have noticed most of them had I been younger. Hell, I'm 18, and I still didn't catch some of them!

Some of them are funny, but I hardly think the majority of them are subtle. How is the Grinch falling face first into the bosom of a rather sexy Who subtle? How is a giant explosion subtle? Granted, most of the stuff ranges from funny to hilarious, but I just think that it didn't belong in this particular movie.

Ron Howard did the best he could with a limited storyline.

I admit that if the movie had used the book and only the book as a guide, then it would have made for a very short movie. But I still think there must have been better "filler" material that would be truer to the original story. For example, I would have liked the movie to spend more time on the Grinch sneaking into the Who houses and stealing their presents. This was dealt with for only a brief time in the movie, even though it had terrific comic and FX potential.

The sets and costumes were very fitting, and I wish the movie relied less on dialogue and more on setting and scenery. The movie could have spent more time showing us the sites and sounds (and Whos) of Whoville.

The original Dr Seuss movie was what, 30 minutes? Personally, if I'm gonna pay $8.50 for a movie ticket, I want more than half an hour.

I'd be more willing to pay $8.50 to see the cartoon version than the new one. I don't mind the length of movies, so long as the movie is good and the length fits the movie. Besides, they could have added more appropriate filler. By appropriate I don't mean just "suitable for children", but "fits the spirit of the book".

Oh well, I guess I'm just bitter 'cause I love the book so much. :(
*sigh*

GuanoLad
11-19-2000, 05:00 PM
For the record, nobody outside of America even knows about the original csrtoon or book. I've never seen it ever.

Kamino Neko
11-19-2000, 05:10 PM
Originally posted by BlackKnight
For example, I would have liked the movie to spend more time on the Grinch sneaking into the Who houses and stealing their presents. This was dealt with for only a brief time in the movie, even though it had terrific comic and FX potential.

Actually, it would have made the most dreadfully BORING movie.

What life's like in Whoville, what a handful of individual Whos are like (Such as Little Cindy Lou Who), and what the Grinch is like - THIS would be good filler. And, looking at the ads, and other Grinch stuff I've seen, it looks like this is what we got.

Grinch slinking about Whoville for more than at most 5 minutes would have me demanding my money back.

Bubble Girl
11-19-2000, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by Zoggie
This movie looks damned disturbing! *shudder* Live Action Grinch...No...
Count me in to!! Every time a preview would come on TV I would just cringe and change it. Yikes! Needless to say though I broke down and went to see it yesterday with my 10 year old daughter and after the 20 minutes we both were ready to leave. I was very dissapointed.

Garfield226
11-19-2000, 09:45 PM
I enjoyed it. It had amazing visuals throughout the movie, great acting by Carrey, and a billion and a half little "inside" jokes. It managed to get most if not all of the entire book somewhere in there, and though it will NEVER replace the cartoon or the book, it is a good "updated" version.

Soup
11-20-2000, 06:07 AM
I saw "The Grinch" last night with the kids.

Quick review: Jim Carrey is a great Grinch. When they stick to the Seuss story, it works. It's the half-hour in the middle of the movie that hurts.

It must be extremely difficult to stretch this wonderful and concise story into a 2 hour movie. But if your going to attempt it, you have to acknowledge the talent of Dr. Seuss and expand on his vision. The writers of this movie didn't do that.

The Grinch is supposed to embody the distaste for the commercialism of Christmas. THAT'S the idea one should expand on. Instead, there is a back story which suppossedly explains why the Grinch is mean (As a child he looked "different" from the other Whos. In school, his homemade Christmas gift for a girl that he likes is mocked.) This makes it seem like his dislike for Christmas is driven by the rejection he felt. The way those Whos acted, why would anyone WANT to be accepted by them?

If I may so bold, here's what I would write: The Whos, a nice bunch of folks, have unwittingly allowed Christmas to become too commercial. The family of Cindi Lou Who are poor (like the Cratchitts in "A Christmas Carol") so they cannot afford all the trimmings. Cindi Lou is feeling blue about this one day, so her parents explain to her how Christmas isn't about buying, but about giving - giving one's friendship, love, and cheer. Cindi is so taken by this that she decides to give cheer to the one person she feels needs it the most: the legendary Grinch. She climbs Mt. Crumpet and, with some homemade cookies, invites The Grinch to the holiday feast. He sneers and mocks the Who's commercialism (insert a song where he dances among the trash piles of Whoville, displaying discarded gifts). After Cindi leaves, The Grinch softens ever so slightly, and decides to pay a visit to Whoville to see if perhaps they've changed, and to perhaps purchase a few cookies for Cindi Lou. He dons his disguise and enters town, where he's bombarded on all sides with commercialism (insert a song about sales and shopping, sung by the merry Whos). He leaves the town enraged, vowing to teach them all a lesson. He disguises himself as Santa, enters the town, and steals the gifts.

When the Whos wake up and see their gifts gone, there is momentary confusion. Somebody looks up and sees the Grinch atop Mt. Crumpet, geting ready to destroy the gifts. That's when Cindi Lou steps up and declares that the Grinch has actually given them a great gift - Christmas without commercialism. The happy Whos sing, the Grinch's heart grows, yadda yadda, he carves the roast beast.

Some inside jokes to insert: a diner having a special on green eggs and ham, a pet shop displaying kittens wearing red-striped hats.

If Ron Howard calls, tell him we'll do lunch.

andyman
11-20-2000, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by GuanoLad
For the record, nobody outside of America even knows about the original csrtoon or book. I've never seen it ever.


That's a shame. It's (of course) written by Theodore Geisel (Dr. Suess), animated by Chuck Jones (think Bugs Bunny), and narrated by Boris Karlov (you better know who HE is, buster!), and it is great.

I refuse to see the movie. I became extremely annoyed when I saw that it has been rated "PG" instead of "G", and from what I've read in this thread, I'm extremely disappointed in the movie translation. I mean, come on, obvious sexual jokes in a Dr. Suess movie, is that fitting? I'm not a prude or anything like that, it's just that part of me doesn't want to see a classic like that sullied in such a way.

Maeglin
11-20-2000, 12:50 PM
I enjoyed it also and I'm not afraid to admit it. Then again, I am also partial to tales of revenge and hatred of avarice. But anyway, I found the immature adult jokes to be quite refreshing. Perhaps for the big, stupid kid in me.

I just don't like the ending. In my world the Grinch would stay furious and the Whos wouldn't learn a damn thing. But it is a children's movie, after all. And I don't think they producers would want to mangle the ending as little as possible.

MR

Sunshine
11-20-2000, 03:03 PM
I thought it was ok. It made me laugh out loud a few times and the visual was excellent. However:

I HATED Jim Carey as the Grinch. First of all, he was trying to sound like Boris Karloff (who did the voice of the Grinch in the 26 minute cartoon version) but he ended up sounding like Sean Connery. Plus, he was just too Jim Carey. There was a lot of Riddler and Ace Ventura coming through that I just don't see as part of the Grinch.

Also, there was some wacky 90's version of the song, "You're a mean one, Mr. Grinch" which sucked.

Also, major point of contention: In the book/cartoon, the Whos wake up, have no presents or decorations, etc and DON'T CARE! The Grinch is confounded by this. He says, "It came without ribbons...it came without tags...it came without packages, boxes or bags! Maybe Christmas doesn't come from a store...maybe Christmas means just a little bit more."
In the movie, the Whos wake up with no stuff and chaos ensues! Everyone is angry, yelling at Cindy Lou for ruining Christmas by inviting the Grinch and causing them to lose all their stuff. Then the Grinch brings it all back, and yay! They're happy again. I'm sorry, but that is completely opposite from the point the book was trying to make. And they still had the audacity to use the "It came without ribbons..." line in the movie. NO, it DIDN'T come without ribbons or tags. You were all whiny little Whos unitl you got your packages, boxes and bags!
Grr.

So anyway, I have heard that there is a live-action "The Cat in the Hat" coming out, starring Tim Allen.

C3
11-20-2000, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by GuanoLad
For the record, nobody outside of America even knows about the original csrtoon or book. I've never seen it ever.


You've never heard of the book? My husband grew up in Australia (moved here when he was 25) and was definitely exposed to all of the Dr. Seuss books, although he had never seen the cartoon about the Grinch.

Come on, Hop on Pop? Cat in the Hat? One Fish, Two Fish, Red Fish, Blue Fish?

Broaden your horizons, man!

Gundy
11-20-2000, 04:40 PM
Saw it Saturday with my nigh-7-year-old, and we both liked it. The adult references passed him by - the part where the Grinch falls into Martha May's cleavage was no biggie, in my opinion, I've seen worse stuff when Bugs Bunny dresses in drag.

I thought the Whoville set was amazing - very Seussian. And I really didn't have a problem with the majority of the story line. I doubt I could have taken more than the time they spent on the stealing-presents thing - it would have gotten tiresome pretty quickly.

Actually, Sunshine, it was only the Mayor who raised hell, if I recall correctly.

The bitchin' comment did surprise me, though. But I thought it was funny.

Jodi
11-20-2000, 05:09 PM
I saw it Saturday and I really liked it. I thought Jim Carrey was a GREAT Grinch (though I did wonder what was up with his voice) and I thought the little girl who played Cindy Lou Who was cute as a button. The sets and costumes were fabulous and I LIKED the fact that there were tweaks in it that would appeal to adults but go over the head of kids -- like the key party and the Grinch reading out of his DayRunner -- "6 o'clock, wallow in self-pity; 6:30, explore the depths of self-loathing -- but I could move that to 7 . . ."). It's like when Sesame Street has "Monsterpiece Theater" with "your host, Alastair Cookie." No kid knows who the hell Alastair Cooke is; the reference is for the grown-ups, and it keeps kids' fare from being mind-numbingly boring and Barney-ized.

I did NOT like the inclusion of "bitchin'" and "shit," which seems to me to be entirely gratuitous. I kind of assume that language was just thrown in to avoid a G rating. But what would be wrong with a G rating? It's "How The Grinch Stole Christmas," not "The Grinch Does Dallas." I didn't see any gratuitous sex, though; not even "too much kissing," and the only gratuitous violence was the exploding car, run-away-in-slow-motion action-movie send-up, which was intentionally gratuitous.

I thought it was good. Not as good as say, Toy Story, but pretty good. I'd take my kids to it for sure -- if I had any.

Ura-Maru
11-21-2000, 05:58 AM
Ok, I guess some people haven't heard yet.

Never see a live action movie based on a cartoon. Ever. Especially a very good and much beloved cartoon. If people stop GOING to these abominations in the eyes of God, maybe, just _maybe_ they'll stop making them. It's just _not a good idea._

The only even vaugly passable example is Sanctuary, and that wasn't nearly as good as the animated version, just barely watchable.

But beyond that, Jim Carry is famous for his manic "funny guy" act. Why the hemoraging -verybadword- would anyone with a brainstem cast him as a bitter, brooding, hate-filled character?

An 80 minute version of a 22 minute TV one-shot. Anyone else see problems ahead?

This is _not_ giving me good feelings about Osmosis Jones, Mr. Howard . . .

--
"It was kind of like this, cause you're my brother. Get it?"

Typo Negative
11-21-2000, 06:33 AM
Jim Carry was great as the Grinch. Really, who else could they have used? When they focused on him, the film is sailing. And the kid who played Cindy-Lu Who is adorable.

The problems. Jeffery Tambor as the Mayor. Not that he did a bad job, but that he was written as a bad guy. Same goes for the Mayor's lackey. (the whole 'Grinch was scarred by the Whos' line fell flat) The whole Whoville community came off as, well....not that nice. The Grinch having a love interest was a little disturbing. And the alleged 'anti-commercialism' theme of the picture couldn't help but seem phony. Bad writing.

To sum up. Jim Carry, great. Little kid, great. The sets, great. The wrtiting, sucked bilgewater.

For those of you who are talented writers, please report to Hollywood immediately. You are desperately needed.
[attempted correction by slythe. :)]

[Edited by slythe on 11-21-2000 at 07:42 PM]

Typo Negative
11-21-2000, 06:34 AM
for gods sake Sam, preview then post.

Anake
11-21-2000, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by Sunshine
First of all, he was trying to sound like Boris Karloff (who did the voice of the Grinch in the 26 minute cartoon version) but he ended up sounding like Sean Connery.

Carrey admitted in the interview about sounding like Connery because of the mouthpiece he had to wear.

Also, there was some wacky 90's version of the song, "You're a mean one, Mr. Grinch" which sucked.

I thought the song sucked to. Before it came on, I was gearing up to hear the original song. But then THAT came on and I rested my head on my hand with my elbow propped up on the arm rest and muttered under my breath about how much the song sucked donkeys.

Also, major point of contention: In the book/cartoon, the Whos wake up, have no presents or decorations, etc and DON'T CARE! The Grinch is confounded by this. He says, "It came without ribbons...it came without tags...it came without packages, boxes or bags! Maybe Christmas doesn't come from a store...maybe Christmas means just a little bit more."

Exactly. That exact thing came into my mind when the Mayor started bitching and whining and yelling at Cindy Lou.

Also, does anyone find it disturbing that the message of the movie is, "Christmas is about family, not presents.." and yet you see all these commercials about Grinch merchandise?

I thought Anthony Hopkins was a great narrator, though. Good as always, with him.

I also thought that the first trailer for the movie (where they didn't show his face) was great (at times it was better than the movie). Where the Grinch is stealing the toys to the tune of "In the Hall of the Mountain King."

From,

Anake

Lumpy
11-22-2000, 09:24 PM
That scene with the swap party and the keys: I couldn't hear the narration at that point. Obviously adults were supposed to get the joke, but what did they pass this off as for the kids?

They also had the Who couple who found the baby on their doorstep, "He looks just like your boss."

mrblue92
11-22-2000, 10:32 PM
I left this thread alone at first because of the spoiler alert... But then I realized:

A. I probably won't go see the movie anyway.
B. If I do ever see it (maybe on video), I already know the book pretty well... how could this movie possibly have any spoilers whatsoever?

But then again...

Maybe in this version (after the first 25 minutes), the Grinch in charged with B & E and larceny, but pleads the insanity defense and gets sent to the Whoville Institute for the Criminally Insane. After four years of intensive therapy, he's sent out on the streets with a new set of clothes and 50 bucks in his pocket. But jobs are scarce since the Whoville City Council cut back spending on the Strategic Grinch Defensive Initative, and hundreds of unemployed Whos are forced to live on the streets.

The Grinch starts dealing crack as a two-bit hood, but he finds that knocking off his competitors helps increase his own market share. His vicious nature surfaces again, and he quickly rises through the ranks of organized crime to become boss of the local syndicate. Through bribery, veiled threats, and coercion of public officials, the Grinch manages to get passed an Amendment to Whoville Town Charter which allows him to monopolize the flow of all Christmas related merchandise into the greater Whoville metropolitan area.

All this takes up about 5 minutes. The remaining 50-60 minutes consists of a lengthy debate of the meaning of Christmas between the Grinch and Cindy Lou, interspersed with musical numbers sung by Britney Spears, accompied by dancing monkey butlers.

Eventually, the Whos all agree Christmas is good and carve the roast beast, which is indeed unfortunate because the only beast in the story is the Grinch.

fierra
11-23-2000, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by C3
Originally posted by GuanoLad
For the record, nobody outside of America even knows about the original csrtoon or book. I've never seen it ever.


You've never heard of the book? My husband grew up in Australia (moved here when he was 25) and was definitely exposed to all of the Dr. Seuss books, although he had never seen the cartoon about the Grinch.

Come on, Hop on Pop? Cat in the Hat? One Fish, Two Fish, Red Fish, Blue Fish?

Broaden your horizons, man!

Yup. For the record, people outside of America have heard of it & read the book (& cat in the hat & green eggs & ham & also something where someone was going east & someone west, but neither would take a step even north or south to let each other past & they built a whole town around them...which one was that?). Original cartoon I haven't seen, but I read the books at primary school (I'm from & still in the UK, BTW).

Oh & Jim Carrey as the grinch? I've seen the tv clips & he seems to do what he always does - which is play exactly the same character in every movie that he is in (with the possible exception of the one where he is on tv 24h a day, as I haven't seen that). No, not a good choicce.

lee
11-23-2000, 10:08 PM
I saw the Grinch tonight and loved every minute of it. I greatly enjoyed it and laughed so much i was a bit worried about being asked to keep it down.

The girl playing Cindy Lou Who was amazing. A child that can act. I am enthralled. Most little kids are a one schtick pony. "hey i am cute and i have funny looks/glasses/speech impediment."

I must say I thing that Martha shooting the lights onto her house was about the most erotic and sexual image that I have ever seen.

AKAmame
11-24-2000, 07:10 AM
For the record, nobody outside of America even knows about the original csrtoon or book. I've never seen it ever.

Sorry GuanoLad, I think it's you not the world. I'm born and bred in Sydney, read Dr Seuss as a child, know the Grinch book and have the cartoon, which I bought in Sydney this year. I've been holding onto the cartoon till Christmas for my daughter.

I'd avoided this thread (thanks for the 'spoiler' warning BlackKnight) cos I love Dr Seuss, and was planning to see the movie till I saw a trailer this pm and discovered Jim Carrey was the Grinch - blech ptooie blah.

Duck Duck Goose
11-24-2000, 04:31 PM
I'd like to thank BlackKnight and the others in this thread for saving me about 35 bucks on a "family movie experience". You know a movie's in trouble when the newspaper ads have glowing reviews from critics you never heard of. "Definite Oscar material!"--Suzy Flogdubbit of KKKK-CBS Radio. "Feel-good movie of the year!"--Dirk Wazoo, Interstellar On-Line Flicks.

Diane
11-27-2000, 12:55 PM
Now I thought The Grinch was great, but am I the only one who felt that it could have been a masterpiece had it been directed by Tim Burton with a sound track by Danny Elfman?

I still felt it was worth my 1 hour wait in line.

Anake
11-27-2000, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by Diane
Now I thought The Grinch was great, but am I the only one who felt that it could have been a masterpiece had it been directed by Tim Burton with a sound track by Danny Elfman?

I was thinking the same thing, about the soundtrack being by Danny Elfman. I kept thinking about Nightmare Before Christmas.

From,

Anake

rowrrbazzle
11-27-2000, 10:26 PM
Originally posted by Sunshine
First of all, he was trying to sound like Boris Karloff (who did the voice of the Grinch in the 26 minute cartoon version) but he ended up sounding like Sean Connery.That's what I thought when I saw the ads on TV. I also thought it was pretty strange! Glad I'm not the only one.

Zebra
11-28-2000, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by Soup

The family of Cindi Lou Who are poor (like the Cratchitts in "A Christmas Carol") so they cannot afford all the trimmings. Cindi Lou is feeling blue about this one day, so her parents explain to her how Christmas isn't about buying, but about giving - giving one's friendship, love, and cheer. .


They are not poor. In the first scene with Cindy Lou and her dad she is holding so many packages that he can't see her. Her mom is caught up in a house decorating contest with their neighbor. The neighbor always wins. Her dad is the only Who who dosen't have s**t for brains.

SPOILER FILLED REVIEW



Christ this movie is bad.
The dog is great. Gotta give the dog respect. Actually I liked the movie when it was Jim Carrey and the dog or when it was Jim Carrey and Cindy Lou Who. Of course during these scenes it had nothing to do with the book or tv special.

The Grinch hates Christmas because his heart is two sizes too small. Now the film gives an explaination for this defect. You see when the Grinch was 8 years old he got picked on in school for trying to shave and cutting his face. Also he (wrongly) felt that the girl he had a crush on did not return his affection. This caused the young Grinch to leave Whoville and live in a cave.

Jesus H Christ! This is the traumatic set back that makes him live in a cave alone for years?

Third Grade love life sucks? Hate Christmas Forever!!!!!

Cindy Lou Who sings! Not only does she sing the saddest little Christmas song while making 'cute' mistakes by missing some of the notes but she does so in the remains of an exploded pepto bismal factory. OK her room just looks like that. The song is so sweet that I could feel my teeth rotting out at the end. Of course this song is repeated at the end over the credits being sung entirely too ernstly by some adult.


Whoville is probably being airlifted to Universal Studios in FL right now. It was designed to be a theme park setting. It looked like a theme park.

The part where the Grinch actually steal Christmas is a bit too long. Now there is a scene where the Grinch is in the bedroom of the Mayor. (Who hates the Grinch, was the Grinch's chief torrmentor in grade school, and wants the Girl the Grinch loves and she still carries a flame for the Grinch) The Mayor is dreaming about kissing the woman so the Grinch holds his dog for him to kiss. But no that's not good enough so the Grinch turns the dog around so the mayor can kiss the dog's ass. (great for the kids!)

And can someone please tell me why the Who's and the Grinch now have dog faces? In the book and tv special their faces are kind of flat with small noses. Now all of the Whos have dog snouts on them except for the cute little girl. (You have to 'grow into your nose' as some sort of Who rite of passage)

Now a part of the plot is Cindy Lou getting the Grinch to be named the Christmas King. (that is not the proper name but it will have to do) This person leads the Christmas celebrations and leads parades and judges contests ect. Now the Cindy Lou does some legal arguing with the Mayor and gets the Grinch named as the Christmas King. She then goes up and (in an enjoyable scene) gets the Grinch to come down and be social (for the first time in years)
What do the Whos do? They fricking torture him! They stuff food down his throat so much this it is backed up and runs down his chest. But it goes ok until someone gives him an electric shaver, which riminds him of his great shame from third grade and makes him flee and plot his revenge.

I hope the MST3K crew will re-unite and do some mainstream films and include this one.

So to recap.

IMO This movie sucks.

Soup
11-28-2000, 12:54 PM
Zebra:
You misunderstood my post. I was writing what I thought would have been a better plot when I said that Cindi Lou Who was poor:

. . . here's what I would write: The Whos, a nice bunch of folks, have unwittingly allowed Christmas to become too commercial. The family of Cindi Lou Who are poor (like the Cratchitts in "A Christmas Carol") so they cannot afford all the trimmings...

BoBettie
12-13-2000, 08:49 AM
OK, so I saw this movie a few weeks later then everyone else. My opinion:

Could have been much better. I laughed quite a few times, and my sister and I were completely alone in the theater, allowing us to shout out the book lines they recited from time to time and sing the grinch song out loud- that was a big plus.

Grinch- acted very well, written very poorly. Backgroud story about why he's grinchy- very stupid and drawn out. It felt like years sitting there watching the "third grade trauma"

Cindy Lou- adorable- the saving grace of the movie. Terrible song in the middle, though. Gag me.

Jeffery Tambor as the mayor- the more I see of this guy, the more I really don't like him in a film marketed for kids. When he was in the Muppets from Space movie he was a similar bad guy, and he actually scared my neices (they were upset by how he berates people so convincingly). I guess it's good acting, but I always feel uncomfortable with him yelling at people. That's probably my own issues coming through, but still. A few scenes with him in it really creeped me out.

The key party- I don't think this was a big deal at all, as many parties collect keys from drivers to avoid DWI problems. The fact that they're all in one big bowl probably went over most people's heads.

All the Who's- bizzare and surreal. I found live action Who's very disturbing. Like a bad acid trip.

The Who Celebration in honor of the Grinch- some funny, some not. The sack race- very funny. The food stuffing- disgusting. The Grinch in leiderhosen (sp?)- very funny.

The ending, good. Glad they stuck to the Cindy-Lou giving Max the slice of roast beast.

All in all, they sorta trued to stick to the original intent of the story, which was that Christmas is about more then presents. The problem I had is when the Grinch has this epiphiny. He already knows that Christmas is about more, and seems to be the only one. Why then is it such a big deal for him to "realize" that Christmas came anyway? In the book, he never indicates that he knows Christmas is too commercial, but in the movie it's pointed out several times prior to his "epiphiny"?

Anyway, a few plot holes, some bizzare stuff added in- (the explosion, the taking a drink then driving, the razor thing, the love interest, Jeffery Tambor creeping me out) but all in all pretty good. I'd see it again at the second run theater to make sure I didn't miss anything.

Zette

BoBettie
12-13-2000, 08:52 AM
Oh, I forgot- favorite scene- when he's re-sorting the mail:
"Eviction notice, jury duty, jury duty, pink slip, jury duty", etc. Very funny stuff.

Zette

Medea's Child
12-13-2000, 09:18 AM
Thought it was cute. I liked Carrey as the Grinch, and the scenes with him and the little girl are priceless.

My family loved the datebook speech.

Overall, its never, ever going to replace the book, or the cartoon. They should have stuck with the original Grinch song and not bothered with the syncopation in the re-write of "Dahoo Dores" or whatever the Who's song at the end is called. But its not a bad movie. It has its own good points. I would have liked more rhyming though.

Yue Han
12-13-2000, 09:50 AM
Also, major point of contention: In the book/cartoon, the Whos wake up, have no presents or decorations, etc and DON'T CARE! The Grinch is confounded by this. He says, "It came without ribbons...it came without tags...it came without packages, boxes or bags! Maybe Christmas doesn't come from a store...maybe Christmas means just a little bit more."
In the movie, the Whos wake up with no stuff and chaos ensues! Everyone is angry, yelling at Cindy Lou for ruining Christmas by inviting the Grinch and causing them to lose all their stuff. Then the Grinch brings it all back, and yay! They're happy again. I'm sorry, but that is completely opposite from the point the book was trying to make. And they still had the audacity to use the "It came without ribbons..." line in the movie. NO, it DIDN'T come without ribbons or tags. You were all whiny little Whos unitl you got your packages, boxes and bags!

Of course it was like that. Didn't you see the Visa commercials?

"Visa--the official credit card of Whoville. Just in case Dr. Seuss was wrong."

YES, really, that's what it said.

No one should see this movie. It is the epitome of evil. They licensed Whoville to sell credit cards so you can buy stuff for the godawful commercial version of Christmas Dr. Suess despised.

--John

BoBettie
12-13-2000, 10:12 AM
That's the main plot problem with the movie. The book is all about how these nice people got ready for Christmas, and the Grinch, (just to be a spiteful bastard and avoid the needless suffering he would no doubt have to endure by listening to their singing and joyful celebration), attempts to stop their Christmas by stealing their nice decorations and presents. Then, very simply, the Whos join hands and rejoyce anyway, since the holiday as never about presents and such to them (as the Grinch had wrongly assumed), but about being together, etc. Grinch realizes this, has an epiphiny, brings back the stuff, and they have a nice holiday (which they would have had regardless of his change of heart. HE is the character that changes, not the Whos.)

In the movie, the Who's are greedy, commercialized people all caught up in buying and decorating (for competition, not spirit) and the Grinch has to show THEM the evil of their ways. He already knows that commercial Christmas is bogus- he has all their garbage and sees the evidence of it all the time. To me, that plot change twists the entire story away from it's original concept too far.

Also, the fact that there is all this Grinch merchandise out just in time for Christmas makes me sick. Dr. Suess must be rolling over in his grave for his story to be interpreted so poorly (or rewritten so poorly) AND is being used to make some corporate entity rich. That's just wrong.

And Visa connected with The Grinch? WTF?

(Imagine if the same was done for "The Lorax"? Only as a promo after the film, they could give away little plastic Lorax characters perched atop a piece of a protected variety of tree and covered with genuine spotted owl feathers.)

Zette

Sunshine
12-13-2000, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by Yue Han
[quote]Of course it was like that. Didn't you see the Visa commercials?

"Visa--the official credit card of Whoville. Just in case Dr. Seuss was wrong."

YES, really, that's what it said.

No one should see this movie. It is the epitome of evil. They licensed Whoville to sell credit cards so you can buy stuff for the godawful commercial version of Christmas Dr. Suess despised.


OMG! I haven't seen that commercial and I hope I don't! I entirely agree with you and Zette. And supposedly Mrs. Suess has total control of all Suessdom, so she must be the one to have let it happen!

PunditLisa
12-13-2000, 03:10 PM
I liked it. Saw it with my two girls (age 6 and 8) and they liked it, too. I laughed out loud quite a bit because of the subtle sarcasms. I would have preferred something less hokey for why the Grinch's heart was 2 sizes too small, but overall I thought it was a pretty amusing story.

It reminded me a bit of Toy Story because there are 2 levels: one for kids and one for adults. (Okay, 3 levels, since I didn't get the keys in the fishbowl reference.) Though TS and TS2 are better.

mobo85
12-14-2000, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by Yue Han
Also, major point of contention: In the book/cartoon, the Whos wake up, have no presents or decorations, etc and DON'T CARE! The Grinch is confounded by this. He says, "It came without ribbons...it came without tags...it came without packages, boxes or bags! Maybe Christmas doesn't come from a store...maybe Christmas means just a little bit more."
In the movie, the Whos wake up with no stuff and chaos ensues! Everyone is angry, yelling at Cindy Lou for ruining Christmas by inviting the Grinch and causing them to lose all their stuff. Then the Grinch brings it all back, and yay! They're happy again. I'm sorry, but that is completely opposite from the point the book was trying to make. And they still had the audacity to use the "It came without ribbons..." line in the movie. NO, it DIDN'T come without ribbons or tags. You were all whiny little Whos unitl you got your packages, boxes and bags!

Of course it was like that. Didn't you see the Visa commercials?

"Visa--the official credit card of Whoville. Just in case Dr. Seuss was wrong."

YES, really, that's what it said.

No one should see this movie. It is the epitome of evil. They licensed Whoville to sell credit cards so you can buy stuff for the godawful commercial version of Christmas Dr. Suess despised.

--John

Lessee...I don't think the film ends like that. I'm pretty sure the Whos sung without presents, the Grinch gave his little speech, THEN he gave the presents back. Just like in the book/cartoon.

And Visa doesn't actually say Dr. Seuss' name in the commercial, and that saying is near the beginning. (Notice they use "the holidays" instead of "Christmas" in the Visa ad. Is this the TV Political Correctness Police?)

Yue Han
12-14-2000, 03:14 PM
I don't care how the movie ends, that wasn't my point. The commercial does say "just in case Dr. Suess was wrong", and it was the tagline. The fact that you saw a commercial that wasn't the one I'm talking about doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Besides the Visa ad, there are the twenty to thirty dollar ads they were advertising in the paper the other day. Some very nasty people are trying to use a story about how Christmas shouldn't be about money to make a lot of money at Christmas. Maybe you don't see anything wrong with that.

--John

Welfy
12-14-2000, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by andyman

[/B]

That's a shame. It's (of course) written by Theodore Geisel (Dr. Suess), animated by Chuck Jones (think Bugs Bunny), and narrated by Boris Karlov (you better know who HE is, buster!), and it is great.
[/B]

Do you mean the original? I was going to jump in and say that it was narrated by Anthony Hopkins (who did an excellent job, by the way), but I see where you're coming from now. My mistake.

Welfy
12-14-2000, 08:43 PM
Originally posted by Diane
Now I thought The Grinch was great, but am I the only one who felt that it could have been a masterpiece had it been directed by Tim Burton with a sound track by Danny Elfman?

I still felt it was worth my 1 hour wait in line.


My friends and I thought this exact same thing!

The entire time though, Ray and I found quite a few simularities between The Grinch movie and Edward Scissorhands. My other friend even thought it *was* directed by Tim Burton until we set him straight.

Yeah, it was still worth it.

anyorangejuice
12-11-2017, 09:55 AM
This movie is not only a classic, but iconic. The kids don't even understand the adult humor. I would know because I have watched this movie as a kid and also an adult. I honestly think your slut shaming of the Grinch is uncalled for. Just because you don't enjoy sexual humor doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the movie. Dr. Seuss LOVED sexual humor and that is reflected throughout his various works, especially in Green Eggs and Ham. You are not the moral police. Thank you and good day.

gnoitall
12-11-2017, 10:06 AM
This movie is not only a classic, but iconic. The kids don't even understand the adult humor. I would know because I have watched this movie as a kid and also an adult. I honestly think your slut shaming of the Grinch is uncalled for. Just because you don't enjoy sexual humor doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the movie. Dr. Seuss LOVED sexual humor and that is reflected throughout his various works, especially in Green Eggs and Ham. You are not the moral police. Thank you and good day.The poster you're addressing hasn't been here since February, and you're attacking opinions espoused literally 17 years ago. You apparently just joined us to share that? Xkcd was right (https://xkcd.com/386/).

anyorangejuice
12-11-2017, 10:24 AM
Yes. In all honesty I just made an account this morning for the sole purpose of replying to something from 17 years ago. I was three years old in 2000.

I apologize for not being able to quote you in this post. I do not understand how this site works as it is not very user friendly.

The sun is bright and the powder's bitchin.

Good day.

Etherthewitch
12-11-2017, 10:28 AM
The poster you're addressing hasn't been here since February, and you're attacking opinions espoused literally 17 years ago. You apparently just joined us to share that? Xkcd was right (https://xkcd.com/386/).

I think anyorangejuice made a good point

Darren Garrison
12-11-2017, 10:32 AM
I think anyorangejuice made a good point

I, for one, never expected to at any point in my life see someone being called out for slut-shaming the Grinch.

bear_breakfast_
12-11-2017, 10:35 AM
This movie is not only a classic, but iconic. The kids don't even understand the adult humor. I would know because I have watched this movie as a kid and also an adult. I honestly think your slut shaming of the Grinch is uncalled for. Just because you don't enjoy sexual humor doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the movie. Dr. Seuss LOVED sexual humor and that is reflected throughout his various works, especially in Green Eggs and Ham. You are not the moral police. Thank you and good day.

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you Anyorangejuice. The Grinch was a very poorly made film from an innocent book made by a beloved children's writer Theodor Seuss Geisel. There are overt themes of bestiality, kleptomania, alcoholism, unholy & premarital relations. This movie is one that should NOT be shown to children or it will lead them down a dark, dark path. I will pray for you Anyorangejuice...

cochrane
12-11-2017, 02:00 PM
Yes. In all honesty I just made an account this morning for the sole purpose of replying to something from 17 years ago. I was three years old in 2000.

I apologize for not being able to quote you in this post. I do not understand how this site works as it is not very user friendly.

The sun is bright and the powder's bitchin.

Good day.

Just click the Quote button at the bottom right of the particular post. Yes, it's hard, I know.

kayaker
12-11-2017, 02:03 PM
I was three years old in 2000.

Given that, and without removing your shoes; how old are you today?

anyorangejuice
12-11-2017, 02:12 PM
Just click the Quote button at the bottom right of the particular post. Yes, it's hard, I know.

You are very kind. I hope you have a bitchin' day! :D

anyorangejuice
12-11-2017, 02:13 PM
Given that, and without removing your shoes; how old are you today?

I am 25

anyorangejuice
12-11-2017, 02:14 PM
Is there a mobile app for this

kayaker
12-11-2017, 02:15 PM
Aha.

anyorangejuice
12-11-2017, 02:17 PM
I bet you guys all miss Internet Explorer.

cochrane
12-11-2017, 02:34 PM
Is there a mobile app for this

Click on the bottom left of the page where it says, "Straight Dope v3.7.3" and choose "Sultantheme's Responsive vB3-blue".

Or, alternatively, you can use Tapatalk.

You're welcome.

Darren Garrison
12-11-2017, 02:35 PM
I bet you guys all miss Internet Explorer.

Are you...are you browser shaming us‽

anyorangejuice
12-11-2017, 02:48 PM
Are you...are you browser shaming us‽

I'm afraid so.

I did not wake up this morning expecting to browser shame people I do not know on a post from 17 years ago, but here I am.

enalzi
12-11-2017, 02:52 PM
Yes. In all honesty I just made an account this morning for the sole purpose of replying to something from 17 years ago. I was three years old in 2000.

I apologize for not being able to quote you in this post. I do not understand how this site works as it is not very user friendly.

The sun is bright and the powder's bitchin.

Good day.

What's your opinion on the alternate ending to Big?

anyorangejuice
12-11-2017, 02:54 PM
What's your opinion on the alternate ending to Big?

No comment at this time

Chronos
12-11-2017, 05:53 PM
[Moderating]

anyorangejuice, welcome to the board, but you probably want to spend a little time getting familiar with the culture of this place if you're planning to stick around. You're coming across as far more confrontational than this topic really justifies.

In the meanwhile, since this thread has been dominated by discussion of anyorangejuice rather than by the actual topic since its resurrection, I'm just going to close it.

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