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minlokwat
12-30-2008, 09:52 AM
Is it just me or is this like, no contest.

I'd pick Lecter and offer up 2 to 1 odds. This is a straight-up no holds barred duel to the end with no weapons. Everything else is fair game.

I think they match up pretty evenly with the tale of the tape but Chigurh possesses a distinct age advantage. No matter, Lecter is much more proficient at his use with his choppers and once the two get into a clinch, I imagine those incisors would be make short work of Chigurh. In fact take away that air-compression thingy and Peter Brady might have a good shot at him.

Well maybe not Peter but definitely Greg.

scout1222
12-30-2008, 11:45 AM
I don't think I could logically make an argument, but like you, my gut instantly said LECTER, but I don't think it wouldn't even be close.

shy guy
12-30-2008, 12:14 PM
Chigurth is younger and in better shape, but he's not as depraved as Lecter. The latter wouldn't think anything of tearing Chigurth's throat out with his teeth, or biting his face off. Chigurth isn't that much of an animal.

That said, Chigurth is a vertiable Energizer Bunny when it comes to taking damage.

tr0psn4j
12-30-2008, 02:08 PM
Wasn't Lecter also trained in some form of Martial Arts in one of the prequels?

My money's on him.

Cuckoorex
12-30-2008, 02:58 PM
Hell, Lecter would probably convince Chigurh to kill himself within ten minutes.

puppygod
12-30-2008, 03:12 PM
Chigurth is younger and in better shape, but he's not as depraved as Lecter. The latter wouldn't think anything of tearing Chigurth's throat out with his teeth, or biting his face off. Chigurth isn't that much of an animal.

That said, Chigurth is a vertiable Energizer Bunny when it comes to taking damage.
Human teeth are lousy weapon and it's helluva lot of chewing before you do life-threatening damage. And to use your teeth you need to be well within enemy range for punching, kicking, strangling and eye-gouging. Honestly, I think that Lecter bad-assnes is more of an informed ability - it works in books, but wouldn't work in real life.

Tarwater
12-30-2008, 03:21 PM
Physically, Chigurh. No contest. Psychologically? Maybe Lecter, but I have my doubts as to how successful his maneuvering would be against something like Anton.

Cuckoorex
12-30-2008, 03:24 PM
Human teeth are lousy weapon and it's helluva lot of chewing before you do life-threatening damage. And to use your teeth you need to be well within enemy range for punching, kicking, strangling and eye-gouging. Honestly, I think that Lecter bad-assnes is more of an informed ability - it works in books, but wouldn't work in real life.

Well, to be fair, it's not like Chigurh's extreme durability is very realistic, either. Besides, the point is to compare the two in all of their fictional glory, isn't it? I mean, we could have a "Wolverine vs. Philo Beddoe" contest, then say that having adamantium bonded to your skeleton and claws that pop out of your hands wouldn't work in real life, so Philo wins.

Critical1
12-30-2008, 04:43 PM
is Anton prepared?

sorry couldnt help it. but if he has an idea of how truly messed up Lector is then I think the fight goes to Anton, if they have no idea about each other then Lector will be chewing his face off while Anton is trying to figure out wtf is going on.

carnivorousplant
12-30-2008, 04:50 PM
Hell, Lecter would probably convince Chigurh to kill himself within ten minutes.

Agreed, before they even got into the cage. :)

Linty Fresh
12-31-2008, 12:13 PM
Prepared or not, Anton would take Hannibal.

Lecter, as far as I can tell, is tougher than he looks, but IIRC most of his kills are either by using weapons, which he won't have in the cage, or by manipulating others, and I just don't see Anton being manipulated. He's psychotic, but he always seems to be in control. He doesn't freak. It would be like trying to manipulate the Zodiac killer. Chiguhr's will is simply too strong.

When it comes to bare-handed killing, Chiguhr strikes me as the more likely victor. He snapped a guy's neck in the parking lot almost on a whim. He also strikes me as physically tougher than Lecter. Surprise might give Hannibal first blood, but he wouldn't be able to kill or subdue Anton immediately, and once Anton got his wits back, Hannibal would be pretty much fucked.

carnivorousplant
12-31-2008, 04:24 PM
but IIRC most of his kills are either by using weapons

He bit a nurse's eye out while under restraints, his pulse never getting above 80, :) and bit the eyebrow off the pig master while completely restrained. I don't remember how he killed the first cop in Silence of the Lambs, but I don't believe he had a weapon until he killed him.

Linty Fresh
12-31-2008, 06:59 PM
He bit a nurse's eye out while under restraints, his pulse never getting above 80, :) and bit the eyebrow off the pig master while completely restrained. I don't remember how he killed the first cop in Silence of the Lambs, but I don't believe he had a weapon until he killed him.

But that's my point. Hannibal's big claim to being a bad-ass on the inside came down to having crippled a female psychiatric nurse who was not expecting trouble in decidedly noncombat conditions. In this scenario, Lecter's going to be in a fight with someone his own size who is mentally prepared for a deathmatch (not his first, btw) and who knows how to fight back.

As far as the eyebrow thing goes, Llewelyn Moss plugged Anton in the leg with a sawed-off shotgun and Anton not only survived but just performed surgery on himself and went on to kill a few more people. Anton gets into a car accident and just walks away with a bone sticking out of his arm. He strolls into a highly secure facility and shoots the one man he has to. Hell, he gets the jump on three armed Mexican hitmen and blows them away on his own. Lecter could bite off half Chiguhr's face and break his legs, but if he doesn't kill Anton within the first 15 seconds, his pulse is never going to get above zero. And Anton will just walk away on his broken legs and drive off in Hannibal's car, going on to live to be 90.

I don't like either Chiguhr or Lecter. They're both sad, maladjusted lumps of evil. But Chiguhr has been in the shit. He's gone face to face against people as tough as he is, unlike Lecter, who's main gifts seem to include killing women and emotional cripples while biting people who are nowhere near as hardcore or street-smart as Anton. Compared to Chiguhr, Lecter's a manipulative little sissyboy. He is not nearly as tough or tested as Anton, and in a straight-up match, he doesn't stand a prayer.

carnivorousplant
12-31-2008, 08:11 PM
But that's my point. Hannibal's big claim to being a bad-ass on the inside came down to having crippled a female psychiatric nurse who was not expecting trouble in decidedly noncombat conditions.

I'm sorry, I believed your point to be that he couldn't fight without weapons. :)

So, what happened to this Anton guy at the end of the movie?

Linty Fresh
12-31-2008, 08:20 PM
I'm sorry, I believed your point to be that he couldn't fight without weapons. :)

LOL, I just looked at what I wrote, and you're absolutely right. My bad. :)

So, what happened to this Anton guy at the end of the movie?

He gets the money, returns it to the rightful owner, kills one more person, and gets away.

After killing Moss, he kills Moss's wife Carla Jean, because in his mind, she's still "accountable." Driving away from the scene of the crime, he gets T-Boned by a speeding car, which breaks his arm and sends the bone through the skin. He bribes a passing kid for his T-shirt, slings up his arm, and just walks away from the wreck never to be seen again.

Diogenes the Cynic
12-31-2008, 08:24 PM
I think it would be Hannibal, but only if he's prepared.

carnivorousplant
12-31-2008, 08:32 PM
I think it would be Hannibal, but only if he's prepared.

Hannibal is always prepared, with some fava beans and a saucy little Chianti.

Ice Cream Conquest
01-02-2009, 09:33 AM
If they're both suddenly teleported into the steel cage unawares, Anton wins hands down.

If they know what's going to be happening then it goes something like this:

Announcer gives big buildup for the fight. Crowd is screaming. Lights go down and we barely see the shadowy steel cage rising from beneath the stage. Announcer booms, "BEGIN!" and the lights suddenly come on. Crowd goes silent as they contemplate the view of a half-flayed Anton crucified on the bars of the steel cage, tied with strips of his own skin. Lecter is nowhere to be found.

carnivorousplant
01-02-2009, 09:40 AM
Lecter is nowhere to be found.

Cool.

kaijubait
04-15-2009, 12:41 AM
I was just contemplating this today, and had to do a google search to see if anyone else had thought of it - hence the resurrection of an old thread.

In any case, it would definitely be no contest - for Chigurh.

This would not be a matter of brains vs brawn, it would be brains vs brains AND brawn PLUS efficiency.

Chigurh does not enjoy being evil in the same way that Lector does, he doesn't get off on freaking people out or scaring them. As soon as he knew he had to kill Lector, he would kill him - no theatrics, no speech, no gloating.

Lector would need some amount of time to figure out how he could get under Chigurh's skin (and he probably would never find such a way - he might as well try to hypnotize a refrigerator). Chigurh would give him no time, unless he happened to feel generous enough to offer Lector a coin toss....

Really, it wouldn't be that much different than Lector vs the Terminator. He'd be fighting a machine.

mswas
04-15-2009, 01:13 AM
Anton Chigurh, it's not even a contest. Lechter is a guy who plays mindgames, Chigurh is not susceptible to mindgames in that way. I don't understand why anyone thinks Lechter is that badass. Brains and brawn aren't that relevant in a steal cage match. There's kind of a point of diminishing returns and Chigurh is plenty smart. Basically you're asking to put them in an element that favors Chigurh and makes Lechter's skills kind of irrelevant.

Lechter hurting people is a matter of commitment, not badassness, and Chigurh is just as committed as Lechter any day of the week. In a steel cage deathmatch it's about commitment and just the ability to fight. Anton Chigurh is physically more badass than Hannibal Lechter.

astorian
04-15-2009, 01:16 AM
A short, pudgy 70 year old Welshman vs. a Spaniard with the world's worst haircut...

I think the winner would be the one who stopped laughing at the other long enough to kill him.

Argent Towers
04-15-2009, 01:18 AM
Whoever has the least amount of backstory is always the most badass.

Chigurh.

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