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StGermain
08-20-2009, 09:14 PM
Tonight is the season premiere! plus a 2 hour All-Star show. Best quote so far? That freak Santino saying "Project Runway didn't make me, I made Project Runway."

StG

CrazyCatLady
08-20-2009, 11:04 PM
Santino is a jackass. It makes perfect sense that he and Jeffrey are really close friends in real life, because I hate them both. I hate them both a LOT.

I feel really bad for Korto, though; her stuff is great, and I've never understood why they have their tongues so far up Daniel V's rectum. Some of his stuff is nice, but most of it is...just butt-ass fugly.

We spent the whole hour of the new season saying things like "ooh, it's the black Andre. Oh, there's this season's Christian. Well, there's Spit Mark Girl." I guess after this long you kind of have to start recycling personalities, but it's kind of funny.

Rubystreak
08-20-2009, 11:42 PM
Agree with CrazyCatLady-- Daniel V's stuff was fugly, and Korto was robbed. She deserved the win.

Tonight, I thought Ra'mon deserved the win. Christopher's dress was OK but I didn't love it. I was surprised that they auf'ed Ari and let Mitchell stay on. He blamed his model for lying about her measurements and sent her down the runway in a nightgown. That does not speak well of his ability to improvise in a time of crisis. Ari was annoying and her dress was lame, but hell, they let Blaine de Soleil stay on until almost the end last season, and she couldn't have been as bad as him.

Did folks watch the Models of the Runway show? That should be interesting.

Tom Tildrum
08-20-2009, 11:45 PM
My wife and I hated Daniel's ugly stuff tonight. They praised an outfit that looked like an East German athlete on a bad day.

Ironically, they gave Daniel the prize when his red-carpet dress was not a red-carpet dress, then on the regular show they auf'ed Ari for the same reason.

Sleeps With Butterflies
08-20-2009, 11:47 PM
I skipped the All-Stars and the model show after, but I thought it was a good start to Runway on Lifetime.

I thought they were unfair with their dismissal of the difference in the model measurements for Michell (I think that at was his name, it'll take me WEEKS to get them all straight). Heidi dismissed it as if it is normal for models to lie and said there were "no excuses" on Project Runway but I did feel as if that was unfair. It would be one thing if they had to take the measurements or go to meet their models before designing, but when you're given a card with the information I feel that information should be right. PR should not be relying on the models to provide measurements, someone should TAKE their measurements.

There were a handful of dresses that I liked, but wasn't crazy about the colors. Still, it looks like an interesting group and I was happy with the elimination.

Erdosain
08-20-2009, 11:52 PM
I thought they were unfair with their dismissal of the difference in the model measurements for Michell (I think that at was his name, it'll take me WEEKS to get them all straight). Heidi dismissed it as if it is normal for models to lie and said there were "no excuses" on Project Runway but I did feel as if that was unfair. It would be one thing if they had to take the measurements or go to meet their models before designing, but when you're given a card with the information I feel that information should be right. PR should not be relying on the models to provide measurements, someone should TAKE their measurements.

I wonder if his original model dropped out right before the show and he ended up with her last minute replacement with completely different measurements. Of course, they may have addressed this in the model show, but I didn't watch it. To those that did watch the model show afterward, is it worth watching? I know it's only a half-hour, but I can't imagine it being nearly as interesting as Project Runway.

LavenderBlue
08-21-2009, 12:01 AM
I love this show. I don't understand it but I love it.

Korto is annoying and full of herself (she did not deserve to win over Leanne) but she deserved the win tonight. Daniel's stuff was just plain ugly. I would have placed him 5th or so behind many of the others including Sweet P and Uli. Oh and I hope Santino never graces my television screen again. He's either mentally ill or just a complete jackass.

I didn't get the bottom either on the regular episode. Ari may have been weird but at least she sent a dress down the runway. Mitchell did not.

Rubystreak
08-21-2009, 12:26 AM
I thought they were unfair with their dismissal of the difference in the model measurements for Michell (I think that at was his name, it'll take me WEEKS to get them all straight). Heidi dismissed it as if it is normal for models to lie and said there were "no excuses" on Project Runway but I did feel as if that was unfair. It would be one thing if they had to take the measurements or go to meet their models before designing, but when you're given a card with the information I feel that information should be right. PR should not be relying on the models to provide measurements, someone should TAKE their measurements.

Did you notice that how many inches off the measurements were kept changing? At first was just "off," then it was 5", then when talking to the judges, 6". I think he may have been exaggerating to cover the fact that he just panicked. No one asked the model if her measurements were accurate, and she didn't comment on it except to say that she felt like he threw her under the bus. So who knows? If this is as common a phenomenon as Heidi and Kors seemed to indicate, there should be some sort of Plan B, like seam allowances, to help make up the difference. Having to scrap the whole garment and start over seems like an extreme and somewhat ridiculous reaction.

Sleeps With Butterflies
08-21-2009, 12:44 AM
Oh I agree he changed it from 5 to 6 but even if it was 4, that's pretty significant. If he was incorrect she really should have said something about it especially after Heidi insinuated that models lie. Speaking of models lying, I could have sworn that Heidi was older than 36 but her Wiki says she was born in 1973.

Rubystreak
08-21-2009, 01:13 AM
Oh I agree he changed it from 5 to 6 but even if it was 4, that's pretty significant. If he was incorrect she really should have said something about it especially after Heidi insinuated that models lie.

I don't recall any models ever speaking on the runway, so maybe she felt like she couldn't. In any case, there ought to be seam allowances and he should have left space in the garment for a final fitting. I do think it was his fault that he had to scrap the whole garment instead of just having to take it in or let it out at the last minute. Don't you think, in real life, if he were making a red carpet gown for some actress or singer, that she might not lie about her measurements? You have to be prepared for such an eventuality and not choke and make her wear a sheer caftan with a Victorian neck and tape on her butt to her premiere or the Oscars. More likely, she'd fire you and get an Armani or something instead.

Sleeps With Butterflies
08-21-2009, 01:23 AM
Oh I agree he should have left some space, but 4 or more inches and it wouldn't fit!

In real life if you're getting a gown you have your measurements taken, something like that wouldn't be left up to someone's word. Designers need to know what they're working with.

I've had jeans made for me by Make Your Own Jeans (http://www.makeyourownjeans.com/) and a dress made for me for a wedding and measurements are taken. For the jeans I had to take my own but for the dress they took measurements. That's what professionals do. If I was a designer on Project Runway and didn't have access to the model until after I'd started my design I'd expect that the measurements on my card were accurate and done professionally, not like the equivalent of a model lying about her weight on her drivers license. I guess we'll just agree to disagree.

Breccia
08-21-2009, 06:06 AM
I've made couture for years as a creative outlet and hey

1. huge seam allowances are sloppy. You have just added bulk to your design.
2. letting out seam allowances needs to be done all the way around, not simply at the side seams or darts.
Not the case with this guy's (Mitchell's) garment but if the design were complex; it's a frustrating exercise. No model's vanity deserves this sort of catering; she's hindering the process she is supposed to serve.
3. letting out a seam allowance will cause even the finest of machine needle marks to show. On fine or shear fabrics, especially with solid colors, it's a disgrace.

That said Beige Boy's (Mitchell) Victorian smocking: Boring.

Breccia
08-21-2009, 06:10 AM
When Picasso bodysuit girl (Ari) says, "tessellation forms." I think, "really?"
Then Tim Gunn says, "a haltered diaper." Well, that's closer to reality.

tessellated means like a mosaic...yep, I had to look it up.
Loved the show, liked the personalities...a tessellated bunch.

singular1
08-21-2009, 07:04 AM
I've had jeans made for me by Make Your Own Jeans (http://www.makeyourownjeans.com/).

I've only seen parts of this show (thank Og for the lack of scary tats and gages - I think Top Cheff scarred me for life) - but I just wanted to thank you for this site! What amazing prices - and their quality is good, too? Woo-hoo!

Rubystreak
08-21-2009, 07:05 AM
Did he mean 4" total, throughout the measurements, or 4" in one place, like hips, waist or bust? That wasn't clear. If her bust was 1" bigger, her waist 1", and her hips 2", I think his seam allowances should have been adequate to the task.

As for the needle marks showing when you let your seams out, and that being a disgrace, well... more of a disgrace than not having a garment for your model to wear? People have sent whip-stitched Hefty bags and clothes glued onto the model down the runway. Some needle marks on sheer fabric would have been OK, I think, considering.

KSO
08-21-2009, 01:04 PM
I missed most of the show and didn't know what the challenge was until someone said "red carpet." WTF was the hotpants girl thinking?

I didn't understand the red baggy dress at all. But that's usually the case for me--I will think something is bad and the judges will love it.

jackdavinci
08-21-2009, 01:55 PM
It confused me that there were more than one shows and I thought the second one was the usual multiple showing repeat thing they usually do so I only caught the All Star Challenge. I'll comment onthat now and the other show later when I catch the repeat.

Santino
His stuff was a little too garish and disco, especially the second dress. The sparkly black bits on his dresses were nice but ruined by the rest of the outfit. The challenge dress was ok. The premiere dress was nice except for the fabric choice, elegant but not a wow. He was also really arrogant and obnoxious. Glad to see him go.

Michael
The pleats and folds and the blue color were nice. The shiny bits were again nice. The challenge dress was a messy garbage tornado. The premiere dress was horrid with it's neon pink and yellow. Some of the work in the back was nice but ruined by the color scheme. Glad to see him go.

Uli
All her stuff was nice, I liked her collection a lot. The ruffles on her second dress were a little stiff looking. Her premiere dress was elegant and had a really nice mix of fabrics. The challenge dress was awesome, on par with Kato's. I really really loved the mix of fabric and textures. The collection was really elegant and cohesive and the challenge dress was a stand out - she should have been in the top four.

Korto
Korto had a nice solid, wearable, elegant collection. The first dress stood out.The second was a nice modern professional outfit. THe challenge dress was really fantastic with the textures and creativity and cut. The print dress was nice, bold, and had a great form and cut. Very solid - she should have won.

Chris
Not what I would expect from him but nice solid collection. Everything looked very well made and store ready. The first two dresses looked too much alike and I didn't like the color leggings. Also wasn't a fan of one of the hoodies. The challenge dress was really fun, especially the breast cups. The premiere dress was really nice, although it did look a little heavy. Not the winner, but top four.

Daniel
Horrible horrible stuff. The first two looked like something out of an 80s Olivia Newton John workout video. Horrid horrid. The challenge dress was terrible too - it might have been passable if not for the ugly and very poorly integrated black tubes which made her look like a suicide bomber. The premiere dress was very good though, possibly the best dress of the show. He must have won for that dress alone (and maybe because his first two had subtle details the judges liked) because everything else was a disaster. Should definitely not have one, unless they let him win for the one dress alone. Otherwise I'd put him at dead last.

Jeff
I liked Jeff's stuff a lot. The first was elegant if skimpy and had a gorgeous fabric. The second was also elegant with a great fabric, and the jacket worked really well. Third was ok, a little ragged. The challenge was pretty cool, maybe a little too punk and not the best color but the form and cut were cool as were the black strand details. I could have seen him in the top four.

Sweet Pea
Her collection was cohesive and definitely had a signature look that reminds one of her name. Not really to my taste, and not the best sewing, but cute and sweet look. I didn't like the first one - that kind of dress just does not work at all in leather, and the folds all looked bizarre. The second was cute, looked a little like a 20s flapper thing. The challenge dress was cute and fun, although the top was too high and stiff. The premiere dress was a little too much like a night gown. On the borderline of making the top four.

I would have picked Uli, Korto, and either Jeff or Sweet Pea for the top four. Korto for the win.

Hampshire
08-21-2009, 02:24 PM
What's up with models never showing up for these things or showing up late?
I'd swear it's producer created faux drama.
I can't believe models wouldn't be clamoring for face time on a hit show like this.

-Daniel won on his red carpet dress alone. The rest could be put in the trash.
-Mrs. "I love chunky jewelry" Korto isn't as good as she thinks she is.
-It was a toss up who would get nixed between "i got nuthin" Michell and Space 2080 girl. I would have cut Michell personally since he really had nothing but I guess they gave him the pity "We'd like the opportunity to see what you can do" pass. And it was a bit unfair to 2080 gal. Yes her stuff was out there but they knew that when they invited her to be a contestant so it wasn't really a surprise. Almost like she was set up as the sacrificial 1st cast-off.

Minnie Luna
08-21-2009, 02:48 PM
I enjoyed the first show.

I really liked Christopher's dress, it was cute and flirty. I didn't understand Johnny's, maybe it was better in person. Ra'mon's dress was great.

The others were mostly above average, but what was up with the fabric Malvin used? It looked like burlap on screen.

Ari did deserve to go home, although it was probably a close call between her and Mitchell. If you take away the fact that Mitchell's dress was sheer, it was just a better looking garment than Ari's. I think if Qristyl had made her dress in a solid color fabric, she would have been overlooked for the bottom three.

GrandWino
08-21-2009, 03:23 PM
I enjoyed both shows. Thought Korto should have won the All-Star Challenge w/ Daniel finishing in the back of the pack. Shows what I know about fashion I guess.

Thought a good choice was made on who went home in the premiere of the regular show, though honestly it could have been any one of several people.

Did any "Make Me a Supermodel" fans notice Mountaha (http://www.bravotv.com/make-me-a-supermodel/bio/mountaha)modeling in the All-Star Challenge. Good to see her working!

Ceejaytee
08-21-2009, 04:24 PM
Mitchell should have been tossed. Even the dress he made before she didn't fit was ugly, but there was no excuse for that see through mumu. Ari's certifiable though--red carpet? I'm so happy this show is back.

Encinitas
08-21-2009, 04:43 PM
Yes, I spotted Mountaha and I think she should have won "Supermodel". And I agree that Korto should have won the All-Star game. Although I admire her work something bothers me about her personality. She's very assertive and confident in the sewing room but on the runway she acts all shy and demure, turning one foot, cocking her head, looking down. Cut it out!

DianaG
08-21-2009, 04:56 PM
Mitchell's bad measurements may have saved his ass, because what he was planning on was hideous.

Korto got robbed. As someone mentioned above (and as my daughter and I remarked when we first saw it) Daniel's "design story" appeared to me to be "suicide bomber at the Olympics". The dress was okay, but not nearly good enough to compensate for the other awful, ugly, poorly sewed crap up there.

ETA that I did see Mountaha modeling Chris's dress, and also Shannon from season one working for Sweet P.

CrazyCatLady
08-21-2009, 06:41 PM
I don't really think Daniel won on the strength of his red carpet dress--I think he won because the judges have always had their tongues so far up his ass they could lick his tonsils. You remember the inspiration challenge from that season, right? The one where Andre made that gorgeous evening gown inspired by the gravel in the muddy gutter, but came in second to that horrible, horrible tweedy thing Daniel made because it was just so incredibly original for a designer to be inspired by a freaking flower? Yeah.

LavenderBlue
08-21-2009, 07:57 PM
My favorite part of show was actually the part where the blond lady sat there and said that people tend to underestimate her intelligence because she's blond. She then looked at the camera dumbstruck as she attempted to form a coherent sentence as to why they feel that way.

Pure comedy gold.

Nars Glinley
08-21-2009, 10:13 PM
Although I agree that Ari had the worst dress (the disco soccer ball), I'm kind of sorry to see her go. You hate to see the certifiably crazy person kicked off on the first show.

sulamith
08-21-2009, 10:52 PM
The all-star show was pretty interesting, and I agree that Daniel's looks were pretty gross, but I would have gagged myself down the highway if Korto had won. She is so full of herself, and she was such a sour puss and bad sport about not winning that I am glad she lost. Maybe if she wasn't always putting out such bad energy she might have better karma.

As for the new season, I think it was a rip-off that Nicole K taped a 30 second bit and they all were fawning and drooling like it was just soooooo special. Big whoop.

And also, how funny was it that Linday lohan had to vote off a chick that looked just like Samantha Ronson?

I did watch the model show afterwards, and I see the producers have cleverly put the designers picking their models for the next challenge in that show. I will watch for that reason alone because it helps with any anticlimactic feelings the elimination may leave me with.

I have watched Project Runway since season 1, and the judges decisions have no rhyme or reason and no consistency. It just it what it is.

I would have loved to see Kara Saun on the all-star show. She was robbed of the win in season 1. Korto is talented, I will admit, but she is no Kara Saun. I would have loved to see those two go against each other so Korto's ego would get knocked down a notch or two...or five.

Erdosain
08-21-2009, 11:37 PM
I just got around to watching the All-Star challenge and I'm glad that I'm not the only one who thought 3 out 4 of Daniel's designs were hideous. Whoever said upthread that it was East German Olympic suicide bomber chic had it exactly right. Yuck.

I was also shocked that they liked Sweet P's stuff, too. A ring of roses around the collar? Random flowers pasted all over? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills! It was better than Santino's (the worst of the 8), but only just barely.

gotpasswords
08-24-2009, 01:36 PM
One of these days, I'd like to see Project Muslin.

No frenzied destruction of restaurants to get material, no dumpster-diving, no panicked racing around Mood.

Just "You have two fabrics to work with. Natural muslin and white muslin." so they can compete on their lines and shapes and not distract us with sequins and glitter.

Oh, and no Namedrop Hair Salon and makeup. Again, don't distract us with bizarre hair and mascara. "East German Olympic suicide bomber chic" was one of the worst - looked like she had some really bad clumping and flaking around her eyes, and I think it was her hairdresser that said something about "I'll try not to damage your hair." :eek:

DianaG
08-24-2009, 02:51 PM
And also, how funny was it that Linday lohan had to vote off a chick that looked just like Samantha Ronson?
Not nearly as funny as the fact that Lindsay Lohan, a woman who has marketed leggings with kneepads in them, a woman who is frequently featured on Go Fug Yourself under the heading "Look Into Pants", a woman who went out in public in this (http://gofugyourself.celebuzz.com/go_fug_yourself/2009/06/tales_of_a_teen_age_fug_queen062909.html) and this (http://gofugyourself.celebuzz.com/go_fug_yourself/2009/05/i_fugged_who_fugged_me.html), is judging Project Runway.

moi
08-24-2009, 05:51 PM
Thank for bringing up Lohan as the guest judge, sulamith & DianaG. My jaw dropped when auf'd Ari got a lecture in propriety--propriety! of all things--from La Lohan:
...there has got to be an awareness of what's acceptable and what's appropriate and what's too out there...
Oh, it's just too epic. Overall, I'm looking forward to this season, but am glad I can fast forward through all the Lifetime-esque commercials.

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