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mhendo
04-02-2010, 01:57 AM
I realize that i'm about about six years late to the party here, but very few movies annoy me as much as this one did, and i have to bitch about it.

My wife's away this week, so i decided to get a movie to pass the evening on the couch. I didn't want anything too cerebral; i just wanted diversion. I enjoyed Ocean's Eleven, so i figured i'd give the sequel a shot.

Big fucking mistake. This movie was fucking awful, a big goddamn mess that wasn't even up to the job of helping me pass a couple of hours of mindless enjoyment.

I'm not generally that hard to please when it comes to movies. I love mindless eye-candy with big plot holes if i'm in the right mood (as i was this evening), and even when i have strong criticisms, i can often still enjoy the movie experience, as was the case for me with Avatar. But Ocean's Twelve never once grabbed me, despite the great locations, the appealing cast, and a director whose work i usually like.

I was prepared for plot holes—anyone who likes heist movies has to be—but the plot of this film was an embarrassment. Rather than a series of tricks played for the benefit of the audience, i couldn't help feeling that the joke was on us, simply for watching this pile of shit. The actors seemed to be going through the motions, and some of the scenes were way too long, laboriously dragging out what should have been brief and snappy encounters.

And the whole Julia Roberts as Julia Roberts thing? Fuck me, but i don't think i've ever seen a worse plot device. I was already bored with the movie, but this just confirmed that everyone involved with this piece of dreck was just phoning it in for a paycheck.

If i were allocating those paychecks, most of the money would have gone to whoever was responsible for the soundtrack, because that was the only bright spot in this cinematic swamp. What a piece of shit.

Carmady
04-02-2010, 02:36 AM
I was disowned by my family for renting this movie. Come to think of it, I should give them a call... maybe they've cooled down by now.

Nah... a few more years.

Magiver
04-02-2010, 02:54 AM
If it's worse than Avatar then it must be in competition with the 007 movie "Die another Day".

Alessan
04-02-2010, 03:03 AM
The movie was essentially an experiment in big-budget improvisational filmmaking. I doubt there was even a script.

It didn't work, but I found it interesting to watch.

infinitii
04-02-2010, 03:09 AM
The movie was essentially an experiment in big-budget improvisational filmmaking. I doubt there was even a script.

It didn't work, but I found it interesting to watch.

I agree with this, except possibly the "it didn't work" part. It was one of my favorite movies of the 2000s, and definitely my favorite of the Ocean's series. Not many directors have the clout and the sense of experimentation that can make something like that, so you have to give them props just for that.

And I'm not really sure why people hate it so much. It's rewatchability is high, and I've seen certain scenes many times. And while I agree with the music being pretty cool, I also have to say that Julia Roberts thing was incredible. But the Nightfox scenes were even cooler.

Grumman
04-02-2010, 03:19 AM
I was prepared for plot holes—anyone who likes heist movies has to be—but the plot of this film was an embarrassment. Rather than a series of tricks played for the benefit of the audience, i couldn't help feeling that the joke was on us, simply for watching this pile of shit.
I more or less agree with this. In the first movie, even though the audience was misled about the nature of the heist, once the twist occurred, you realised that all of the prep work worked for both plans. It's been a long time since I saw Ocean's Twelve, but I remember feeling that the events we were shown weren't relevant to the real heist.

corkboard
04-02-2010, 06:59 AM
With the exception of the whole Julia-as-Julia segment, I liked it. Not the best movie by any stretch, but lots of good moments.

Clooney, Pitt and Damon in the restaurant with Matsui where Damon starts reciting the lyrics to Kashmir; Clooney at Pitt's hotel room door ("how many espressos have you had?" "Five"); and Catherine Zeta Jones. I mean, Catherine Zeta Jones, c'mon!

Intergalactic Gladiator
04-02-2010, 07:06 AM
Unless they were purposely going for an actor who walks around like she has a duck stuck between her legs, Julia Roberts is horribly miscast in the Ocean movies. She doesn't carry her own weight and she's got about 10% of the charm and charisma of anyone else in the movie.

Sage Rat
04-02-2010, 07:07 AM
The movie was essentially an experiment in big-budget improvisational filmmaking. I doubt there was even a script.

It didn't work, but I found it interesting to watch.
That's pretty much how I describe Apocalypse Now. :D

Marley23
04-02-2010, 07:28 AM
It is light years away from the worst movie ever, but considering how much I liked the first one, I was very surprised by how dull and clunky the second movie was. I didn't bother with the third.

And the whole Julia Roberts as Julia Roberts thing? Fuck me, but i don't think i've ever seen a worse plot device.
That was really terrible. It's one of the laziest things I've ever seen in a movie.

don't ask
04-02-2010, 08:00 AM
That was really terrible. It's one of the laziest things I've ever seen in a movie.

What does that mean? Lazy how? Compared to what unlazy script writing?

Seemed to me that it was a gag for all the viewers who had seen the first two movies - a bit of post modernism. Like they were watching the movies knowing that she was Julia Roberts. So how should they have used that fact?

Bosstone
04-02-2010, 08:16 AM
I enjoyed it. It's the weakest of the three Ocean films by far, but from what I understand the script was originally for an entirely unrelated movie and they decided to shoehorn the Ocean gang into it.

I do severely dislike the Julia-as-Julia part, but that's more because I loathe embarrassing scenes in movies. Conceptually it's a pretty amusing little twist on the story, especially given that the story is itself a thin veneer over the fact that the movies are primarily about Clooney, Pitt, and Damon just goofing around.

Mainly I like it (and the other two movies) just for the character interactions. They're just brilliant.
"It's ridiculous, I mean this is a moral issue we're dealing with here. Not to mention we don't have a grease man anymore, because he's in a bag somewhere. We don't know."
"We got a bag man."
"Such an ape, an animal, with no feelings you are."

"What did I say?"
"You called his niece a whore."
"A very cheap one."
"She's seven."

Khadaji
04-02-2010, 08:25 AM
Based on everything I have heard about it, I don't think I would like it.

Skammer
04-02-2010, 08:31 AM
It's not a very good movie, IMO, and it suffers from the high expectations created by Ocean's 11. Not the worst movie ever (or even of that year), but easily the worst "Ocean's" movie by a longshot. 13 was good.

I remember when 13 came out, Clooney referring to it as "Ocean's 13: The Apology"

Grumman
04-02-2010, 08:35 AM
Seemed to me that it was a gag for all the viewers who had seen the first two movies - a bit of post modernism. Like they were watching the movies knowing that she was Julia Roberts. So how should they have used that fact?
They shouldn't have used it. Breaking the fourth wall for a gag that is neither amusing nor intelligent is the sort of thing that gives postmodernism a bad name.

Bosstone
04-02-2010, 08:36 AM
If nothing else, I personally think the payoff scene where they show Toulour breaking into the museum is brilliant. One scene does not a good movie make, but I'm happy that it exists.

minlokwat
04-02-2010, 08:53 AM
What does that mean? Lazy how? Compared to what unlazy script writing?

Seemed to me that it was a gag for all the viewers who had seen the first two movies - a bit of post modernism. Like they were watching the movies knowing that she was Julia Roberts. So how should they have used that fact?Then why not extend this to its logical conclusion.

After determining that Tess looks a lot like Julia Roberts shouldn't someone have pointed out that Daniel looks exactly like George Clooney?

Then the dialogue would have gone as: "Yeah, and Matt Damon's character looks just like Matt Damon! And that guy's a dead ringer for Ben Affleck…" and so on down the line.

I'm pretty certain when the producers pitched the idea of a sequel, they figured there would be no way in hell they could get all eleven-plus principals together for a second go-round, what with other film scheduling conflicts and the like. When it turns out they could indeed gather the whole cast again somebody figured, "Whoa guess we better get a screenplay together PDQ" and that's why the whole film looks like something that was slapped together at the last minute. The first scheme of tilting the house up a few degrees, the guy who had to maneuver through the laser show, what was the point in any of that? Oh right, it was bits and pieces of other screenplays thrown together without being tied together with any sense of cohesion or story arc.

Marley23
04-02-2010, 09:16 AM
What does that mean? Lazy how? Compared to what unlazy script writing?
Compared to coming up with something interesting, clever, or amusing. Compared to having the characters come up with a plan that didn't rely on the fact that they are actually being portrayed by movie star actors.

Seemed to me that it was a gag for all the viewers who had seen the first two movies - a bit of post modernism. Like they were watching the movies knowing that she was Julia Roberts. So how should they have used that fact?
It's not postmodern, it's moronically obvious. Using it for a joke can be funny, but they made it a plot point. If they were going to go down that road, why not have somebody just give the money or the jewels or whatever the fuck it was to Danny and Rusty because they look like George Clooney and Brad Pitt?

Alessan
04-02-2010, 09:55 AM
Because it wasn't supposed to be logical.

Think of it as a roleplaying game where the GM - Soderberg - has the broad outline of an adventure in his head, but is open to letting his players goof around with their characters, taking the story in completely unpredictable directions. In other words, they did the whole Julia Roberts thing because it seemed like a good idea at the time and they decided to go with it.

As I said, it didn't exactly work, but it lead to some sublime moments in which the actors were obviously riffing off each other and free-associating, leading to lines like "We can't train a cat that quickly!"

In Winnipeg
04-02-2010, 09:56 AM
Sequels usually suck, but remakes suck more. For this reason, I've seen none of the movies in this franchise.

I am sure George Clooney is a nice guy, but he's no Frank Sinatra. Watch the original -- it's funny, but a "clean" funny, and you can tell those guys had a lot of fun making it.

billfish678
04-02-2010, 10:00 AM
I really liked 11. I like most of the actors in it.

But 12 was really gooood IMO. I don't even remember any of it, besides the fact it was so good. A twist movie with a really good twist...what a twist!

I often don't talk about how good a movie is. Its good enough that I would hesitate to watch it again (another thing I rarely do). Now that I am thinking about it, I am sort of tempted to watch it agian to see if its as good as I remember it being.

When 13 came on cable recently, I watched it, remembering how good 12 was and thinking that 13 could not be nearly as good as 12. It wasnt nearly as good, but it was pretty decent.

What a good movie.

Now, if I could only get Clooney to narrate this post and then at the very end tell you that every time he said "good", it really meant "bad....this post would be a good as Oceans 12.

Mahaloth
04-02-2010, 10:03 AM
If it's worse than Avatar then it must be in competition with the 007 movie "Die another Day".

Wow. Avatar and Die Another Day are nowhere near as bad as Ocean's 12.


Here is a question I ask people who have seen the movie, by the way. I'll do my best to remember, but I only saw it once, which was enough.

Remember the scene where they were "loading" the Chinese guy into either luggage or a box and putting him on a conveyor belt to be shipped away? (sorry, this is the best I can remember).

Does that scene serve a purpose later? Does it come back into relevance? How?

mr. jp
04-02-2010, 10:03 AM
If people recognize Julia Roberts' character as looking like Julia Roberts, why in the world don't they recognize the other famous actors' characters?! I mean, what the hell??

Marley23
04-02-2010, 10:15 AM
Because it wasn't supposed to be logical.
I'm fine with illogical movies and I enjoy watching actors have fun. In this case, we're watching a movie that's centered around the characters being superduper clever thieves who pull off increasingly complicated heists. And the solution was to go in the opposite direction with something stupid. I'm just saying it didn't work at all for me. Imagine you're watching a cop drama where the main character's cover is blown at the end because the drug dealer suddenly realizes he's Harrison Ford. Or a movie where the hero gets out of danger because the villain recognizes him as Will Smith and says he was a big Fresh Prince fan when he was a kid. It's more of a cheat than a joke.

Eonwe
04-02-2010, 11:07 AM
Think of it as a roleplaying game where the GM - Soderberg - has the broad outline of an adventure in his head, but is open to letting his players goof around with their characters, taking the story in completely unpredictable directions. In other words, they did the whole Julia Roberts thing because it seemed like a good idea at the time and they decided to go with it.

As I said, it didn't exactly work, but it lead to some sublime moments in which the actors were obviously riffing off each other and free-associating, leading to lines like "We can't train a cat that quickly!"


. . . but that's what editing is for. Maybe it's improvisational, but that's no excuse for bad scenes when the thing isn't live.

Indyellen
04-02-2010, 11:33 AM
In order, the movies should be ranked 11, 13, 12. I *loved* 11, enjoy 13, and feel pretty meh about 12. The Fox stuff was good, particularly the going through the lasers, although it had been done in Entrapment already.

I can understand the dislike though, in general. But don't use 12 as an excuse to not watch 13.

Anamorphic
04-02-2010, 12:01 PM
Sequels usually suck, but remakes suck more. For this reason, I've seen none of the movies in this franchise.

I am sure George Clooney is a nice guy, but he's no Frank Sinatra. Watch the original -- it's funny, but a "clean" funny, and you can tell those guys had a lot of fun making it.You're missing out then. I have seen the original... a few times, in fact. I own the dvd. I enjoy it. It's fun to watch. It's clear the guys are having a great time making it, and that's infectious. It's a fun glimpse into the style of the time. But it's NOT a great film. It's overly long and the plot is needlessly meandering. While there are some funny bits, most of the dialog is self-conscious and not as funny as it thinks it is. The 'heist' is laughable. The acting, even by actors who have proven themselves to be stellar actors in other roles, is only so-so. It's the type of film I've always said should be the ones that are remade... a film that had a great idea, but only marginally executed. Don't remake great films; remake films that had potential and missed the mark. That's the reason, in my opinion, remakes so often suck... they try to remake films that were already great. The bar is set way too high to begin with. The original Ocean's 11 was the perfect candidate for that... it's a decidedly mediocre film, with a great idea.

The remake is, while not perfect, a very good film. Beautifully shot, tightly scripted, with a very clever heist, great acting, a ton of memorable scenes and lines. If you haven't seen it because of a self-imposed (if admittedly, usually true) idea that remakes always suck, you're missing out.

The subject of this particular thread, though... Ocean's 12.... yeah, that was a very bad film, sadly. Far from 'worst film ever', but definitely not good.

Enderw24
04-02-2010, 12:33 PM
I'm fine with illogical movies and I enjoy watching actors have fun. In this case, we're watching a movie that's centered around the characters being superduper clever thieves who pull off increasingly complicated heists. And the solution was to go in the opposite direction with something stupid. I'm just saying it didn't work at all for me. Imagine you're watching a cop drama where the main character's cover is blown at the end because the drug dealer suddenly realizes he's Harrison Ford. Or a movie where the hero gets out of danger because the villain recognizes him as Will Smith and says he was a big Fresh Prince fan when he was a kid. It's more of a cheat than a joke.

Joey: Wait a minute. I know you. You're Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. You play basketball for the Los Angeles Lakers.
Roger Murdock: I'm sorry son, but you must have me confused with someone else. My name is Roger Murdock. I'm the co-pilot.
Joey: You are Kareem. I've seen you play. My dad's got season tickets.
Roger Murdock: I think you should go back to your seat now Joey. Right Clarence?
Captain Oveur: Nahhhhhh, he's not bothering anyone, let him stay here.
Roger Murdock: But just remember, my name is
[showing his nametag]
Roger Murdock: ROGER MURDOCK. I'm an airline pilot.
Joey: I think you're the greatest, but my dad says you don't work hard enough on defense.
[Kareem's getting mad]
Joey: And he says that lots of times, you don't even run down court. And that you don't really try... except during the playoffs.
Roger Murdock: The hell I don't. LISTEN KID. I've been hearing that crap ever since I was at UCLA. I'm out there busting my buns every night. Tell your old man to drag Walton and Lanier up and down the court for 48 minutes.

mhendo
04-02-2010, 12:38 PM
"Worst Film Ever" was clearly hyperbolic. But it is true to say that i was more disappointed in Ocean's Twelve than i have been in any other movie for quite a while.

I really liked the first one, i'm a big fan of Soderbergh, i think virtually all of the actors are likable and talented, and it's shot in great locations. The sequel seemed like a no-brainer for an evening of diverting entertainment. But in my opinion, they not only failed to make a good heist movie, they basically sold out anyone in their audience who chose the movie expecting the same sort of qualities that made the first one so appealing.The movie was essentially an experiment in big-budget improvisational filmmaking. I doubt there was even a script.

It didn't work, but I found it interesting to watch.If "experiment" and "improvisational" are code-words for "formulaic failure" and "cliched catastrophe," i agree.

That is, i think, one of the worst things about this movie for me: even if it's trying to be improvisational, it ends up as nothing but a by-the-numbers heist film without a plot, without any tightness or continuity, and without any sense of suspense whatsoever.

As i said earlier, i can forgive plot holes and other cliches in a good heist movie. For example, i knew from the beginning that, whatever her role as a lawmaker, Catherine Zeta-Jones' character was going to be won over again by Brad Pitt's roguish charm and end up with the crew at the end of the movie. And i knew that there were going to be a bunch of twists to keep the audience on edge. And i knew there was going to be some completely ridiculous technology that they never could have gotten for a real-life heist (the electromagnetic pulse in O11; the holographic egg in O12).

Even with all this formulaic stuff, i was still prepared to like the movie. I wouldn't have chosen it otherwise. But what you all improvisational, i just saw as a complete failure of writing and directing.I agree with this, except possibly the "it didn't work" part. It was one of my favorite movies of the 2000s, and definitely my favorite of the Ocean's series. Not many directors have the clout and the sense of experimentation that can make something like that, so you have to give them props just for that.There are times when i can appreciate what a film-maker was trying to do, even if he or she doesn't pull it off perfectly. But to "give them props" for something that i felt didn't work at all? Sorry. Luckily, i only paid Netflix rates to see this film. If i had forked over ten or twelve bucks at the cinema, i would have felt like the heist victim.It's rewatchability is high...Its watchability was low enough that i'll never find out about its rewatchability.Seemed to me that it was a gag for all the viewers who had seen the first two movies - a bit of post modernism. Like they were watching the movies knowing that she was Julia Roberts. So how should they have used that fact?As others have said, they shouldn't.

I watch movies, especially movies like this, for a bit of escapism, not to be reminded that they are all multi-millionaire actors on a jaunt through Europe. Even in cases where breaking the fourth wall is done with skill and subtlety, i find it distracting, and in this case it was just one big jarring mess.As I said, it didn't exactly work, but it lead to some sublime moments in which the actors were obviously riffing off each other and free-associating, leading to lines like "We can't train a cat that quickly!"That would have elicited a small laugh from me on "Whose Line is it Anyway?" or "Wait! Wait! Don't Tell Me," but in the movie it came across as forced and unnecessary. I don't know if it truly was improvised, or if it was part of the prepared script, but either way it was hardly sublime, IMO.I can understand the dislike though, in general. But don't use 12 as an excuse to not watch 13.Yeah, all the reviews i've read suggest that 13 is back up to the standard of 11, perhaps even better. Still not sure if i'm going to bother, though.

Patch
04-02-2010, 12:47 PM
Yeah, all the reviews i've read suggest that 13 is back up to the standard of 11, perhaps even better. Still not sure if i'm going to bother, though.

I found it worse than 11, but far better than 12. It has its WTF-you-gotta-be-kidding-me moments, but it's a decent popcorn movie.

joebuck20
04-02-2010, 01:10 PM
You're missing out then. I have seen the original... a few times, in fact. I own the dvd. I enjoy it. It's fun to watch. It's clear the guys are having a great time making it, and that's infectious. It's a fun glimpse into the style of the time. But it's NOT a great film. It's overly long and the plot is needlessly meandering. While there are some funny bits, most of the dialog is self-conscious and not as funny as it thinks it is. The 'heist' is laughable. The acting, even by actors who have proven themselves to be stellar actors in other roles, is only so-so. It's the type of film I've always said should be the ones that are remade... a film that had a great idea, but only marginally executed. Don't remake great films; remake films that had potential and missed the mark. That's the reason, in my opinion, remakes so often suck... they try to remake films that were already great. The bar is set way too high to begin with. The original Ocean's 11 was the perfect candidate for that... it's a decidedly mediocre film, with a great idea.

The remake is, while not perfect, a very good film. Beautifully shot, tightly scripted, with a very clever heist, great acting, a ton of memorable scenes and lines. If you haven't seen it because of a self-imposed (if admittedly, usually true) idea that remakes always suck, you're missing out.

The subject of this particular thread, though... Ocean's 12.... yeah, that was a very bad film, sadly. Far from 'worst film ever', but definitely not good.

I agree. Ocean's 11 is the only film I can think of off the top of my head where the remake was better than the original. The original was a fun a little movie, but as you mentioned the newer film had a lot more style, charisma and much better pacing and plotting.

Bosstone
04-02-2010, 01:23 PM
I am sure George Clooney is a nice guy, but he's no Frank Sinatra.You're right. When it comes to acting, he's better than Sinatra.

I loved the original Ocean's Eleven, don't get me wrong. I liked it a lot. I originally avoided the remake for the exact same reason you did; I liked the original and I didn't want to get pissed off at a lousy remake.

But when I saw the newer one, well...it's the movie that made me fall in man-love with Clooney, Pitt, and Damon. The entire cast is simply incredible, and it's just so, so much fun to watch.

mack
04-02-2010, 03:16 PM
I thought Brad Pitt's body language in one of the first scenes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS1MIW7T5no)when CZ-J was recounting from their bed how she found clues (that would lead to him) was pretty funny. It gave me hope. Alas...

Spectralist
04-02-2010, 03:25 PM
I tried watching this shortly after it came out and basically couldn't. The scene transition music was so loud compared to the dialogue that I found I spent all movie turning the volume up to hear the dialogue then turning it down so the scene transition wouldn't deafen me. Horrible. Ocean's Twelve was the first movie I ever watched where this was an issue but sadly I've been noticing it in a lot of newer movies lately. And some TV shows for that matter. But still none has been quite so bad as Ocean's Twelve. Probably because each scene was like 30 seconds long and had around 10 seconds of transition music between them.

Stranger On A Train
04-02-2010, 04:32 PM
I agree. Ocean's 11 is the only film I can think of off the top of my head where the remake was better than the original.The Thomas Crown Affair (although it Hollywooded out the ending), and The Quiet American (though the latter was probably intended as a readaptation of the book rather than a remake of the previous film).

They shouldn't have used it. Breaking the fourth wall for a gag that is neither amusing nor intelligent is the sort of thing that gives postmodernism a bad name.They don't break the fourth wall (in which the character addresses the camera directly, and by extension, the audience) but rather metareference, where they reference the real world outside the created universe of the film. This is hardly unique; the opening of Ocean's Eleven had Pitt tutoring a collection of young stars in (badly) playing poker, implying that they're the next group of "Rat Pack" replacements (obviously not quite ready for prime time). I would have to agree, though, that in this case it doesn't work, instead resulting in a drawn out scene that is painfully unfunny.

Still, "worst movie ever" is hyperbolic. It's not a good movie, but it is no Highlander II: The Quickening. If this is the worst movie the o.p. has ever seen he should be glad that he's missed the real dregs of cinema.

Stranger

Roadfood
04-02-2010, 05:13 PM
Think of it as a roleplaying game where the GM - Soderberg - has the broad outline of an adventure in his head, but is open to letting his players goof around with their characters, taking the story in completely unpredictable directions. In other words, they did the whole Julia Roberts thing because it seemed like a good idea at the time and they decided to go with it.I've played a lot of roleplaying games in my day. Thing is, while they are usually good fun for the players, they are almost never fun or interesting for a spectator to watch. Seems like this movie goes along with that: The actors had barrels of fun; the audience, not so much.

TBG
04-03-2010, 10:28 PM
I disliked Ocean's 12 so much that I never even bothered to watch Ocean's 13. Mercifully, I no longer remember most of the movie, other than the aforementioned Julia Roberts crap.

Marley23
04-04-2010, 12:18 AM
Joey: Wait a minute. I know you. You're Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. You play basketball for the Los Angeles Lakers.
Roger Murdock: I'm sorry son, but you must have me confused with someone else. My name is Roger Murdock. I'm the co-pilot.
Joey: You are Kareem. I've seen you play. My dad's got season tickets.
Roger Murdock: I think you should go back to your seat now Joey. Right Clarence?
Captain Oveur: Nahhhhhh, he's not bothering anyone, let him stay here.
Roger Murdock: But just remember, my name is
[showing his nametag]
Roger Murdock: ROGER MURDOCK. I'm an airline pilot.
Joey: I think you're the greatest, but my dad says you don't work hard enough on defense.
[Kareem's getting mad]
Joey: And he says that lots of times, you don't even run down court. And that you don't really try... except during the playoffs.
Roger Murdock: The hell I don't. LISTEN KID. I've been hearing that crap ever since I was at UCLA. I'm out there busting my buns every night. Tell your old man to drag Walton and Lanier up and down the court for 48 minutes.
I knew Airplane!, I served with Airplane!, Airplane! was a friend of mine. Ocean's 12 was no Airplane!

cactus waltz
04-04-2010, 04:23 AM
1. I agree that Ocean's 11 is a far superior movie to the Ratpack original. It's snappy, clever, incredibly charming, has good music and also pieces of great photography. I love watching it whenever it comes on.

2. The Julia/Julia maneouver simply makes my head hurt, there are so many things wrong with it. If they are comparing Julia's character to the real life Julia Roberts, then the character in the film is not only a look-alike, but she is identical. And this was not noted anytime previously in either of the movies? Only when it became appropriate? You would think it's something somebody would remark on.

3. I thought the laser dance thing was pretty corny and stupid as well, to be honest. Are we supposed to accept that he has memorized the pattern of every individual laser and keeps track of their rotations and cross-sections in the three-dimensional space, while dancing and jumping randomly?

mhendo
04-04-2010, 12:35 PM
3. I thought the laser dance thing was pretty corny and stupid as well, to be honest. Are we supposed to accept that he has memorized the pattern of every individual laser and keeps track of their rotations and cross-sections in the three-dimensional space, while dancing and jumping randomly?Actually, they say in the movie that the movement of the lasers is random, so i think we're expected to believe that he actually avoids them all on the fly, completely improvised.

Bosstone
04-04-2010, 02:25 PM
Actually, they say in the movie that the movement of the lasers is random, so i think we're expected to believe that he actually avoids them all on the fly, completely improvised.Which stretches improbability to the breaking point, to be sure, but it's damn fun to watch.

FordTaurusSHO94
04-04-2010, 07:50 PM
I like the movie because the interaction between the actors is fun to watch. I think a big reason most people don't like it, but like the third, is because it wasn't in Las Vegas.

Simplicio
04-04-2010, 08:59 PM
Oddly, I thought that while the movie sucked, the Julia Roberts looks like Julia Roberts thing was the only good part about it. I suspect if it had been part of a better movie, people wouldn't get so worked up about it.

lucianFerre
07-14-2014, 02:28 PM
I agree with this, except possibly the "it didn't work" part. It was one of my favorite movies of the 2000s, and definitely my favorite of the Ocean's series. Not many directors have the clout and the sense of experimentation that can make something like that, so you have to give them props just for that.

And I'm not really sure why people hate it so much. It's rewatchability is high, and I've seen certain scenes many times. And while I agree with the music being pretty cool, I also have to say that Julia Roberts thing was incredible. But the Nightfox scenes were even cooler.

I watched this in Rome December 2004, the style in which Soderbergh filmed O12 felt very modern at the time - audiences over there loved it. It definitely has more of a European edge.

mr. jp
07-14-2014, 03:01 PM
If people recognize Julia Roberts' character as looking like Julia Roberts, why in the world don't they recognize the other famous actors' characters?! I mean, what the hell??

Yes, exac... wait.

JSexton
07-14-2014, 03:57 PM
Yes, exac... wait.

I love it when that happens in a zombie thread.

Chefguy
07-14-2014, 05:00 PM
Red 2: the new Ocean's Twelve.

Onomatopoeia
07-14-2014, 09:36 PM
That's pretty much how I describe Apocalypse Now. :DThem's fightin' words, bub. Apocalypse Now is one of the greatest movies of all time.

I think you may have ingested too much of "...you know, that gasoline smell!"

Heh. ;)

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