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crypto
11-13-2010, 09:36 PM
I recently watched Footloose with Kevin Bacon. Every once in a while over the years, I've received a gay vibe from him, but it never really stuck. Until a reviewing of Footloose, that is.

Bacon kicked my gaydar off immediately in the movie, and it wouldn't stop. I asked my wife if it was just me, and she said that although she wasn't feeling it as strongly as I was, she could see it.

I know he's married and has been for a long time to that human pipe cleaner, Kyra Sedgwick, and has a couple of kids, but something still tells me he's at least bi.

I'm not condemning the lifestyle, so please don't rant on me about that. I'm just curious if
1) anyone has the same feeling about Bacon
2) experienced this as well with another actor

Capitaine Zombie
11-13-2010, 09:52 PM
I recently watched Footloose with Kevin Bacon. Every once in a while over the years, I've received a gay vibe from him, but it never really stuck. Until a reviewing of Footloose, that is.

Bacon kicked my gaydar off immediately in the movie, and it wouldn't stop. I asked my wife if it was just me, and she said that although she wasn't feeling it as strongly as I was, she could see it.

I know he's married and has been for a long time to that human pipe cleaner, Kyra Sedgwick, and has a couple of kids, but something still tells me he's at least bi.

I'm not condemning the lifestyle, so please don't rant on me about that. I'm just curious if
1) anyone has the same feeling about Bacon
2) experienced this as well with another actor

I think it's more you gaydar detecting your own vibes, dude. I would be a tad worried if I was your wife.
BTW, Bacon played a male prostitute in JFK, so maybe you should give a call to Oliver Stone and share your gaydar experiences :D.

P.S: one clue, that might offset even properly calibrated gaydars is that actors that tend to be very focused on their looks and body, to the point of narcisism often trigger gaydars, even if they're straight. Tom Cruise could definitely be gay, I really doubt he is.

salinqmind
11-13-2010, 10:02 PM
If he is, he's keeping on the down low. I've never heard a whisper of any kind of scandal (not that gay/bi is a scandal) of any kind connected with KB, and I've pored over guess-the-blind-items blogs for years without his name coming up. What makes you think that? His looks? Because he's always had that youthful, boyish, I'm-a-teenage-runaway-from-Des Moines thing, awww, 'nice cute vulnerable boy, get in my car and I'll take you to Denney's for a decent meal...' Boyish + vulnerable = fresh meat.

Trying to think of another actor that hasn't already been mentioned in other threads a million times. Jesse Spencer (Dr. Chase on House)? Again, never read anything, but he's extremely pretty...

crypto
11-13-2010, 10:12 PM
If he is, he's keeping on the down low. I've never heard a whisper of any kind of scandal (not that gay/bi is a scandal) of any kind connected with KB, and I've pored over guess-the-blind-items blogs for years without his name coming up. What makes you think that? His looks? Because he's always had that youthful, boyish, I'm-a-teenage-runaway-from-Des Moines thing, awww, 'nice cute vulnerable boy, get in my car and I'll take you to Denney's for a decent meal...' Boyish + vulnerable = fresh meat.


For me, it was the way he walked in Footloose. I can't explain it. I just had an impression.

Look, I personally don't care if he is or he isn't. And if he is straight, I won't be disappointed. He had effeminate mannerisms in the movie, and that's the best I can explain it. I've never heard one thing about Bacon's sexuality, so I will admit that I am most likely wrong. I get similar impressions on Tom Cruise, and I've always been told how wrong I am with Tommy.

Captain Zombie - No worries on this end. I was told by a very good friend of mine (who is VERY gay) that I don't ping his or any of his friend's gaydar. And he says that gaydar is very real for him.

Simplicio
11-13-2010, 10:41 PM
I dunno if I'd try guessing someones sexuality based on their role in an 80's musical about the power of dance. The straightest guy in straights-ville would set off gaydars in that role.

Its maybe one step better then guessing Antonio Bandares is gay because he came off as kind of fruity in Philidelphia

Tanbarkie
11-13-2010, 11:39 PM
I dunno if I'd try guessing someones sexuality based on their role in an 80's musical about the power of dance. The straightest guy in straights-ville would set off gaydars in that role.

Its maybe one step better then guessing Antonio Bandares is gay because he came off as kind of fruity in Philidelphia

Or deciding that Neil Patrick Harris is straight based on his portrayal of Barney Stinson.

BigT
11-14-2010, 06:12 AM
Or deciding that Neil Patrick Harris is straight based on his portrayal of Barney Stinson.

If NPH wasn't already out, I'd've assumed Barney was just too much overcompensation, although it's been a while since I've seen the show.

Snake Plissken
11-14-2010, 09:30 AM
I hung out with KB for a couple weeks in the 90s. I never got any kind of gay vibe at all from him. regardless of his preferences in that area, he was a pretty decent guy.

Markxxx
11-14-2010, 12:25 PM
It reminds me of David Cassidy. In his autobiography he wrote that people often assume he's gay. He says "I'm of slight build, wore my hair long, have a bisexual father and Keith wasnt the most masculine guy in the world, so I can see how people would think I'm gay, but I'm not."

I think KB is similar in that respect

Taomist
11-15-2010, 12:12 AM
For me, it was the way he walked in Footloose. I can't explain it. I just had an impression.



It was just the 80's, trust me.
I was there. :p

VarlosZ
11-15-2010, 02:38 AM
"Human pipe cleaner"?

ETA: Does it mean "skinny"? If so, I don't see it -- she's just normal Hollywood-thin, not anorexic, supermodel-thin. Or am I totally off base?

Sampiro
11-15-2010, 03:56 PM
1. Never much thought about Bacon one way or the other in that way but the absence of any substantive rumors in a 25+ year career would imply he's not.
2. Lots of actors ping my gaydar (e.g. Jeffrey Donovan from Burn Notice- I have no info one way or the other if he is or isn't) but few really surprised me when they came out. Raymond Burr and Robert Reed (The Brady Bunch were two I never suspected but then I was a lot younger when they were outed. (By all accounts Reed was miserable due to his homosexuality and even though he was estranged from his daughter [she was raised by her stepfather] he mentioned her frequently in interviews as if trying to closet himself more and he'd probably hate the fact he was posthumously outed; Burr told lies about dead wives and dead children early in his career but I think he was far more comfortable with it in later life after greater acceptance came to pass, and he lived with his lover for many years and left him the bulk of his estate).

Argent Towers
11-15-2010, 04:42 PM
I never thought of Kevin Spacey as seeming gay, at all - until I was told by a former New York scenester that he was regularly seen with men in public and that it was common knowledge there that he lived a gay lifestyle.

Lakai
11-15-2010, 05:07 PM
I dunno if I'd try guessing someones sexuality based on their role in an 80's musical about the power of dance. The straightest guy in straights-ville would set off gaydars in that role.

Yea, the guy is acting. I'm not sure you can conclude anything about an actor based on his performance, unless he's really bad and his own personality creeps through.

Do you get a gay vibe from Eric Stonestreet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wezT5rTaCmQ&feature=channel) (the bigger one) on Modern Family?

Sampiro
11-15-2010, 05:08 PM
I never thought of Kevin Spacey as seeming gay, at all - until I was told by a former New York scenester that he was regularly seen with men in public and that it was common knowledge there that he lived a gay lifestyle.

I probably wouldn't have pegged him either but he's been outed so many times tabloids pretty much leave him alone now.


Portia de Rossi surprised me; I didn't know she was gay, let alone involved with Ellen, until well after it was fairly well known.

Sampiro
11-15-2010, 05:13 PM
One I just learned about that surprised me- not that I'd much thought about it one way or the other- is John Benjamin Hickey (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0382632/). He's been in several movies and TV shows and I knew he'd played gay characters (not at all evidence of anything) but he currently plays (Laura Linney's character) Cathy's homeless-by-choice hetero horndog brother on The Big C. He's had sex scenes with bisexual (currently in a lesbian relationship) actress Cynthia Nixon.

Ura-Maru
11-15-2010, 07:38 PM
You know, I could have happily lived my entire life without ever imagining Kevin Bacon having sex with anyone, male or female.

That would have been a nice way to go through life.

--
Thanks. Thanks a lot.

Sampiro
11-15-2010, 08:14 PM
You know, I could have happily lived my entire life without ever imagining Kevin Bacon having sex with anyone, male or female.



Kind of difficult not to if you've seen WILD THINGS (where not only is he one of the few A-listers to do frontal but did so with a little bit of chub going on).

lisacurl
11-15-2010, 08:53 PM
It was just the 80's, trust me.
I was there. :p
Hell, Kevin Bacon in Footloose was macho for the 80s. We're talking about a decade where girls had crushes on Boy George.

Ura-Maru
11-15-2010, 10:13 PM
Seeing Kevin’s bacon is one thing. Imagining it being used is another.

Taomist
11-15-2010, 11:54 PM
Hell, Kevin Bacon in Footloose was macho for the 80s. We're talking about a decade where girls had crushes on Boy George.

Yep!

You know that commercial with the two totally geeky 80s kids having a magical first kiss with some glam rock blaring in the background, the girl with geeky glasses and the guy a total dork, then she lets her hair down and she's cute and he does the same thing...can't find it, don't know what it's for but...

Embarassingly accurate. :p And I'd STILL do him ;) Well, my high-school self would.

China Guy
11-16-2010, 12:13 AM
Not sure where Joan Chen (the Last Emperor, Twin Peaks, etc) falls? She made Wild Side with Anne Heche that has some pretty smoking lesbian scenes...

According to wiki: Chen married her second husband, cardiologist Peter Hui, on January 18, 1992. She was formerly married to actor Jimmy Lau from 1985 to 1990. Joan and her current husband have 2 daughters and live in San Francisco, but spend part of every year in Shanghai, China with Joan's family, so their daughters can be familiar with Chinese culture.

I worked with Joan on Taipan (well, that's a stretch as I was an extra for a few days and she was cloistered away except for her scenes). I also saw her at a pool with her daughters in Shanghai 2 summers ago, but was too busy with my 3 girls to go chat her up. ;)

salinqmind
11-17-2010, 05:33 PM
If an actor is onscreen playing a dancer, the way he moves, gestures, and walks would be markedly different from the way a plain old he-man fat load, plodding to the local titty bar, would move, gesture, or walk. :D

And if I could order me a man-ho robot out of a catalog, I would pick the young Kevin Bacon from 'Tremors' for my daytime companion, thank you, (I thought he was cute as a button and is aging well).

crypto
11-18-2010, 02:12 AM
"Human pipe cleaner"?

ETA: Does it mean "skinny"? If so, I don't see it -- she's just normal Hollywood-thin, not anorexic, supermodel-thin. Or am I totally off base?

Yes, it means skinny. I think she is very skinny, but I've not seen a recent picture of her in a bathing suit, so I don't know for sure.

On The Closer, it looks like they fit her in baggy clothing to hide her frame. Plus, it looks to me like her teeth are very dingy, which makes me think of someone hurling after every meal. Kevin is as thin as a rail, so thin is in at the Bacon household. I like thin women just fine, but when they start looking bulimic to me, I draw the line.

Back to the actors that didn't ping my gadar, Rock Hudson certainly fit that bill. I read somewhere after his death that he went to a town in the Rocky Mountains at the beginning of his career to break his vocal chords. Supposedly, by screaming at the top of his lungs, the vocal chords snapped, leaving him with no voice. When they healed, his voice was lower. I can only speculate as to the validity of this story. I don't even know if what I described is possible? Anyone know?

Sampiro
11-18-2010, 03:52 AM
The season finale of Weeds this week reminds me: Guillermo Diaz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillermo_D%C3%ADaz_%28actor%29), a Cuban American actor whose character is a badass hetero horndog who had sex with (main character) Nancy several times. I had no idea he was gay.

corkboard
11-18-2010, 08:41 AM
Back to the actors that didn't ping my gadar, Rock Hudson certainly fit that bill. I read somewhere after his death that he went to a town in the Rocky Mountains at the beginning of his career to break his vocal chords. Supposedly, by screaming at the top of his lungs, the vocal chords snapped, leaving him with no voice. When they healed, his voice was lower. I can only speculate as to the validity of this story. I don't even know if what I described is possible? Anyone know?

I have no way of knowing if it is true or not, but this story reeks of urban legend to me.

Cuckoorex
11-18-2010, 08:50 AM
I have no way of knowing if it is true or not, but this story reeks of urban legend to me.

I agree. This seems as likely as Rock Hudson bungee jumping off the Golden Gate bridge with the bungee attached to his penis to lengthen it.

crypto
11-18-2010, 10:21 AM
I have no way of knowing if it is true or not, but this story reeks of urban legend to me.

I agree. I had some time today and found this website (http://racingmeridian.com/) that had this posted on it. I believe it was a quote from a book the guy who wrote this post had recently read. (I didn't look at the website at all)

I’ve always appreciated Palahniuk’s aversion to hypocrisy. That’s always struck me as his raison d’ętre, not his purported nihilism. The book is meticulously researched and takes delight in documenting the actions mainstream stars took to brandish as much sexuality as possible. Marilyn Monroe always wore heels of different height in order to ensure her booty really “rolled” when she walked. Rock Hudson induced strep throat, and then shredded his vocal chords, in order to obtain the deep gravelly voice mandatory for a Hollywood star. It’s these details that delight Palahniuk (he’d doubtless be fascinated by the persistent reports that Angelina Jolie uses methamphetamines to control her weight).

I also found this (http://www.sternfannetwork.com/forum/showthread.php?p=20039084), a posting on another website from an anonymous person that is in a similar vein.

Rock Hudson, God rest his soul, had a high voice when he was starting out in films. He sounded as queer as he really was. His vocal coach advised him to catch a cold, which would irritate his throat, then scream as loud as he could until his vocal chords would tear. When they healed, his voice was lower. I am not making this up.

I have no idea if they all stem from the same urban legend. I'll see if I can find where I read this.

MPB in Salt Lake
11-18-2010, 12:29 PM
This seems as likely as Rock Hudson bungee jumping off the Golden Gate bridge with the bungee attached to his penis to lengthen it.

So you're saying that never happened???

Sampiro
11-18-2010, 12:34 PM
I think it's interesting the writer above praises "Palahniuk's aversion to hypocrisy". The guy led on rumors that he had a wife or was in a relationship with a woman and then went apeshit crazy attacking an interviewer on his website and in a video and outing himself because he thought she was planning to out him (which she wasn't- the interview had already gone to print and never once mentioned him being gay). Then he spreads rumors about a closeted gay actor.

So you're saying that never happened???

It did, but it was his husband, Jim Nabors. Those present said "Best wedding dance EVER", though the highlight was his singing the Marine song ("From the halls of Montezuma...") with a bucket over his head while he did it.

MPB in Salt Lake
11-18-2010, 01:21 PM
First I shold say that I have no gaydar to speak of, and never followed him closely, but when a SDMB poster said it was pretty well known that Matthew Broderick was gay/bi, the next couple of times I saw him on a talk show or interview (Conan, Letterman, etc.) he did indeed have some mannerisims that seem common in gay men......

(that said, I of course have no idea what Matthew Broderick's personal life really consists of, and I suppose it's none of my concern anyway)

Sigmagirl
11-18-2010, 01:30 PM
So you're saying that never happened???
Of course it never happened. It was the Brooklyn Bridge.

Telemark
11-18-2010, 01:44 PM
(that said, I of course have no idea what Matthew Broderick's personal life really consists of, and I suppose it's none of my concern anyway)

Married to Sarah Jessica Parker and has 3 children with her (and a surrogate for the twins).

Freud
11-18-2010, 02:22 PM
We're talking about a decade where girls had crushes on Boy George.

My mom loved Boy George and I suffered the consequences of her admiration. I looked like Boy birthed me himself and my classmates were not pleased. I would be lying if I said I hated the look...

About Kevin Bacon - In Flatliners he could have easily been Julia Roberts' gay-gal-pal and at times it seemed he was clearly crushing on Sutherland (or could be my wishful thinking). His dancing in Footloose was fantastic but, while he's pretty and all, I don't think he's gay.

Serenata67
11-18-2010, 10:42 PM
Or deciding that Neil Patrick Harris is straight based on his portrayal of Barney Stinson.

Amen. On that show, he's soooo good at playing straight. But watch him on Leno or something? Gaydar beep beep!

MPB in Salt Lake
11-18-2010, 11:13 PM
Married to Sarah Jessica Parker and has 3 children with her (and a surrogate for the twins).

I knew he was married to SJP (didn't know that they had kids) but at least one Doper here has said that they have met Matthew Broderick and his boyfriend/male companion during the time that he and SJParker were married.

Again, I have no gaydar to speak of, but after I read that, the next couple of times that I saw Broderick on TV, I could kind of see how he had some mannerisms that I associate with some gay men. It certainly could be the power of suggestion, as I am highly suggestable.

Cat Whisperer
11-18-2010, 11:38 PM
I never thought of Kevin Spacey as seeming gay, at all - until I was told by a former New York scenester that he was regularly seen with men in public and that it was common knowledge there that he lived a gay lifestyle.
I think I heard it here on the Dope some years ago that he is always hitting on guys (I think, but I don't accurately recall, that a Doper said that he hit on HIM). It was pretty definitive, at any rate.

I think my biggest WHAAAA?!? in this category is Kelly McGillis.

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