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Aeschines
03-12-2011, 10:25 PM
I am going to say "Shipoopi" from The Music Man. The title alone makes me puke in my mouth. But the lyrics are execrable and (to say the very least) dated, and the tune is pure... crap.

If you want your eyes to bleed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1iZarUHt04

Yours?

OtakuLoki
03-12-2011, 11:45 PM
For similar reasons, "Marry the Man Today" from Guys and Dolls. Dated, downright awful advice, and just a song I can't enjoy in a musical that is normally just so much fun it distracts me from my usual responses to mafiosos.

well he's back
03-13-2011, 10:49 AM
"Something Godd" from The Sound of Music is the most sugary sweet of all of th sugary sweet songs in that show. It woulld get my vote, but insyead i'll go for the song from 7 Brides for 7 Brothers which laughs about the rape of the Sabine women in ancient times.

Mahaloth
03-13-2011, 12:10 PM
Les Miserables is my favorite musical of all time, but the song "Little People" is beyond horrible. They cut it out of the 25th anniversary concert a few months ago.

Little People (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZWdz7lHRYY&feature=related#t=1m)

Annie-Xmas
03-13-2011, 12:16 PM
Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreacoat's "One More Angel in Heaven." The ghastliest thing Lloyd Webber and Rice ever wrote.

Inner Stickler
03-13-2011, 12:17 PM
Of course the singers are trying to put one over on Jacob so I guess I'm not surprised it's such an awful song. They're kind of awful people.

jayjay
03-13-2011, 12:18 PM
Les Miserables is my favorite musical of all time, but the song "Little People" is beyond horrible. They cut it out of the 25th anniversary concert a few months ago.

Little People (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZWdz7lHRYY&feature=related#t=1m)

In the original French version and in the West End version, Gavroche's song is "Ten Little Bullets", which is about 1000x times more poignant and appropriate.

Oh, and my addition to the thread is "Little Lamb" from Gypsy. Hate it.

Annie-Xmas
03-13-2011, 12:22 PM
Of course the singers are trying to put one over on Jacob so I guess I'm not surprised it's such an awful song. They're kind of awful people.

Awful people in musicals do have good songs. Les Miz's Javert is as awful as they come, and he gets "Stars." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KduGLF8D68)

Inner Stickler
03-13-2011, 12:33 PM
But One More Angel in Heaven is the brothers' attempt to fool Jacob and since they're country bumpkins who don't really have any plans beyond satisfying their immediate needs, it makes sense to me, at least, that this song is clunky and cloying because they're going over the top in getting Jacob to believe their story. It's different than other songs by 'villains' because they're not expressing some deep emotion or anything, they're just running a con.

Nawth Chucka
03-13-2011, 12:39 PM
"Something Godd" from The Sound of Music is the most sugary sweet of all of th sugary sweet songs in that show. It woulld get my vote, but insyead i'll go for the song from 7 Brides for 7 Brothers which laughs about the rape of the Sabine women in ancient times.

While my vote's for Sound of Music, it's for that awful number the countess and the meddling friend sing about money marrying money. Yuch.

RealityChuck
03-13-2011, 06:56 PM
I am going to say "Shipoopi" from The Music Man. The title alone makes me puke in my mouth. But the lyrics are execrable and (to say the very least) dated, and the tune is pure... crap.

If you want your eyes to bleed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1iZarUHt04

Yours?Though I can tolerate it now, I agree on "Shipoopi." Lousy song -- and I had to sing it in our HS production.

Even worse is "Soliloquy" from Carousel. Clichéd lyrics and Richard Rogers's absolutely worst tune.

Superhal
03-13-2011, 07:28 PM
Has there ever been a musical number that was good?

I take the Eddie Murphy argument:
He was vicious. Sing his ass off. He sang so good, they let him do movies, he couldn't act.
They said:"Fuck it ! Let him sing all his dialogues !" "Elvis, we got to win this race!"
"We got to win this race...."
"Elvis, want some lemonade?"
"Lemonade, that cool, refreshing drink...."
Sing ! That's the key to it.
You don't even have to be able to talk.

My take is: let's use a 10 minute number to communicate an idea that would be otherwise boring and predictable.

twickster
03-13-2011, 07:45 PM
Has there ever been a musical number that was good?

Coming into a thread to say that the premise of the question under discussion is stupid is threadshitting, and it's against the rules.

Don't do this again.

twickster, Cafe Society moderator

Spoons
03-13-2011, 08:26 PM
I'd certainly agree with "Shipoopi," and I'll suggest "Too Darn Hot" from Kiss Me Kate.

There are a lot of bad songs in musicals, but in spite of their "badness," most of them seem to somehow do something to advance the plot or develop characters or describe the action. The two above don't do much more than offer a choreographed and unnecessary song-and-dance number for its own sake that (IMHO) distracts from the show. Take them each out, and the story can still move forward without the viewer missing anything important.

Barrett Bonden
03-13-2011, 08:52 PM
Grand Hotel isn't a great musical, although it does the job, but "The Boston Merger," makes every other song sound brilliant in comparison.

kunilou
03-13-2011, 08:59 PM
As a general rule, I hate the sappy love song that gets dropped into the show. Even when the sappy love song, taken on its own, is a perfectly nice song.

Examples:

The Street Where You Live, from My Fair Lady.

I Don't Know How to Love Him, from Jesus Christ Superstar.

People Will Say We're in Love, from Oklahoma!

They bring the show to a halt and they don't do anything to advance the characters or the story. For that matter, you could probably swap Goodnight My Someone in the Music Man with Somewhere from West Side Story and not really hurt either show.

jayjay
03-13-2011, 09:03 PM
For that matter, you could probably swap Goodnight My Someone in the Music Man with Somewhere from West Side Story and not really hurt either show.

Yes, but "Somewhere" is the motif of the show. It's almost the theme music.

Superdude
03-13-2011, 09:07 PM
I'd have to say that my favorite musical is "Cabaret." I was first exposed to it (as a child, I tried to avoid Liza Minelli in everything except "Arthur") during the production that was touring after the revival directed by Sam Mendes that starred Alan Cumming and the late, great Natasha Richardson. The production I saw had the luscious Lea Thompson (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000670/) as Sally Bowles, and she did a fantastic job.

That said, I realize how essential "Tomorrow Belongs to Me" is to the plot, but it's my least favorite of the production.

Miss Woodhouse
03-13-2011, 09:07 PM
No one sings, but I will always fast forward the dream sequence in Oklahoma. I hate it.

For that matter just about any dream sequence in anything, but the Oklahoma one is on topic.

I do have to defend the sappy love song in musicals. They are usually my favorites including The Street Where You Live and People Will Say We're In Love. ;)

Barrett Bonden
03-13-2011, 09:08 PM
As a general rule, I hate the sappy love song that gets dropped into the show. Even when the sappy love song, taken on its own, is a perfectly nice song.

Examples:

The Street Where You Live, from My Fair Lady.

I Don't Know How to Love Him, from Jesus Christ Superstar.

People Will Say We're in Love, from Oklahoma!

They bring the show to a halt and they don't do anything to advance the characters or the story. For that matter, you could probably swap Goodnight My Someone in the Music Man with Somewhere from West Side Story and not really hurt either show.

I don't know about the other two, but the first example you cite was created to cover a scene change at a specific point in the show. Character comes out front, sings about how in love he is in front of a curtain (which can pass for a street) while techies move setpieces behind the curtain.

Those placeholders tend not to be used as frequently now, with all the automated scene-changing technology. But songs written for that purpose are still useful audition songs. :cool:

amarinth
03-14-2011, 05:21 AM
"More I Cannot Wish You" from Guys & Dolls, which I also believe is scene change song (it comes right before the sewer). It has no redeeming features at all. Bad lyrics. Maudlin tune. Annoying accent work. And it never, ever ends, just keeps going and going and going.

panache45
03-14-2011, 05:21 AM
Well, some of you have mentioned some of my favorite songs.

My own would have to be some of the songs from many of the Gershwin musicals, songs whose only purpose was to add a few minutes to a production that was too short. Probably the worst was in Of Thee I Sing, in which there's a song called "Supreme Court Judges." It begins with 9 men singing: "We're the one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine Supreme Court Judges." There's also a song about corn muffins and the women who bake them.

psychonaut
03-14-2011, 06:27 AM
As a general rule, I hate the sappy love song that gets dropped into the show. Even when the sappy love song, taken on its own, is a perfectly nice song.

Examples:

I Don't Know How to Love Him, from Jesus Christ Superstar.Agreed. I absolutely love the original album, but "I Don't Know How To Love Him" is the one track I always skip.

Gyrate
03-14-2011, 07:03 AM
Ironically since it was a huge single in the US, I loathe "One Night in Bangkok" from Chess. I know it's a scene-setter for the second half but it's so much worse than all the other songs in the show.

MaxTheVool
03-14-2011, 07:14 AM
My absolute favorite musical is West Side Story, and I think by far its weakest song is (unsure on actual song name) "Something's coming, something good".


I definitely agree with "Something good" and "More I can not wish you".

Fenris
03-14-2011, 08:21 AM
They bring the show to a halt and they don't do anything to advance the characters or the story. For that matter, you could probably swap Goodnight My Someone in the Music Man with Somewhere from West Side Story and not really hurt either show.
I'd argue that "Goodnight my Someone" is critical to advancing the characters. "Goodnight My Someone" is the same tune as "Seventy-Six Trombones", just slowed down and not in march-time.

So it's established about 1/3d of the way into act 1 that Marion and Harold have a lot more in common than you'd think because they share the same signature tune. And it all comes together later when they switch songs and she sings "Seventy-Six Trombones" while he takes "Goodnight My Someone".

I thought it was really clever.

Eonwe
03-14-2011, 09:11 AM
Many good examples here! Both Mary the Man Today and More I Cannot Wish You are awful songs from Guys and Dolls.

I have to disagree with:

Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreacoat's "One More Angel in Heaven." The ghastliest thing Lloyd Webber and Rice ever wrote.

I think that the whole show is (understandably) one of the weaker and more simplistic of successful musicals, but One More Angel is a decent-enough comic cowpoke song. Not an amazing song, but how a person could think this was a worse song than Benjamin Calypso is beyond me. Now there's a bad song!

Aeschines
03-15-2011, 12:13 AM
Thanks, guys, lots of great replies.

I am a Frank Loesser fan, but "More I Cannot Wish You" is indeed weak, I think. "Marry the Man Today" I like OK. I've always taken the lyrics as ironic. Not a masterpiece, however.

Sampiro
03-15-2011, 01:42 AM
As a general rule I don't like sung dialogue (i.e. singing when dialogue would do just as well), so songs like Room 317 in Miss Saigon or Eponine's Errand sometimes take me out of the musical.

1776 is one of my favorite musicals but I don't care for "Lees of Virginia (too silly) or The Egg and would replace both if I produced a revival.

Pippin is another favorite but some of the songs are really dated, particularly Kind of Woman and Love Song.

I'd have to say that my favorite musical is "Cabaret."
...
That said, I realize how essential "Tomorrow Belongs to Me" is to the plot, but it's my least favorite of the production.

For me that's "Pineapple Love Song" between Herr Schulz and Frau Schneider.

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