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grude
07-05-2012, 03:32 PM
Every so often you'll see a young guy proclaim he wants to be a hooker servicing only females though, and the idea is loudly laughed at. With everyone agreeing such a market is so small with so many suppliers no profit will be had, and he will have to serve both sexes if he hopes to profit at all.

Same thing for porn, it is often said the market for men for hetero sex in porn is so oversaturated in potential actors that doing gay porn is the only way to make money.

Is there a female market for male hookers, NOT male strippers? Of the escort service variety where a woman could call up and order a guy to her preferences?

I've seen ads posted on craigslist in the past, but it was hard to tell if they were serious or just jokes/hook up attempts rather than actual prostitution. They were no where near as professional as similar ads for female prostitutes.

Inner Stickler
07-05-2012, 03:36 PM
My understanding is that, yes, it's a much smaller market, you have to willing to service some truly unfortunate looking women, and you have to get them off, not just yourself.

Darryl Lict
07-05-2012, 04:12 PM
There was a dude who was purportedly Nevada's first legal male prostitute (http://www.details.com/sex-relationships/sex-and-other-releases/201001/americas-first-legal-male-prostitute).

I'm pretty sure he got dropped without ever having a client.

Inner Stickler
07-05-2012, 04:17 PM
No, he had a couple. But a tasteless interview where he compared himself to Rosa Parks and an undercover reporter who found him to be lackluster in the bedroom took some of the shine off his star so he went back to doing movies. Article. (http://www.lvrj.com/news/first--prostidude--leaves-shady-lady-ranch-89211477.html)

supergirl123
07-05-2012, 04:39 PM
My understanding is that, yes, it's a much smaller market, you have to willing to service some truly unfortunate looking women, and you have to get them off, not just yourself.

Isn't that part of the 'profession'? - servicing some rather unfortunate looking people?. Women hookers would have to all the time!

LionelHutz405
07-05-2012, 04:44 PM
Yes, but the service offered is different.
http://i.minus.com/i5dGmjOir1lGA.jpg

supergirl123
07-05-2012, 04:55 PM
Yes, but the service offered is different.
http://i.minus.com/i5dGmjOir1lGA.jpg

:D

clairobscur
07-05-2012, 05:22 PM
I assumed that the existence of male hookers ("escorts") for women was common knowledge :confused:

Rhaegar
07-05-2012, 05:36 PM
I would have thought that there is a pretty fair sized demand for gigolo services. I can well imagine a scenario where a wealthy man, dumps his aging wife, and said aging wife then uses her ex-husband's money to indulge in obtaining a male escort. Plus, men die younger than women usually, there should be a whole host of women who are bereft of husbands and not likely to be able to get a replacement husband. As said before, being able to "perform" with an unattractive partner is not the easiest thing in the world for guys, Viagra notwithstanding, so someone who can actually do the deed would seem to me to be in high demand.

grude
07-05-2012, 05:41 PM
I assumed that the existence of male hookers ("escorts") for women was common knowledge :confused:

Why would a guy being the first legal male hooker be worthy of a newstory in that case? And apparently he quit pretty soon.

Though the Nye County bordello 150 miles northwest of Las Vegas has temporarily stopped servicing women, owner Bobbi Davis said she isn't ready to give up on her groundbreaking foray into legal male prostitution.

"We're just taking a little break," she said.

Markus, the Shady Lady's first stud for hire, called it quits a few weeks ago after drawing fewer than 10 customers. Since then, the workload has been shouldered by a Las Vegas man in his mid-30s who -- Davis swears she's not making this up -- performs under the name "Y. Not."

Davis said the new guy saw about 10 customers of his own before an electrical problem in the bungalow he was using forced the brothel to suspend the service earlier this week.

Davis hopes to put Y. Not back to work in May or June, just as soon as the wiring is fixed.



He was on the job for 10 days before he attracted his first customer, and he only entertained six or seven women after that, Davis said.

One of those customers turned out to be an undercover reporter from the New York Post, who took pictures of Markus and wrote an unflattering, first-person account of her two hours with him.

ioioio
07-05-2012, 09:42 PM
This happened about 20 years ago and I don't remember all the details. When I lived in California (SF / San Jose area), some guy started up a male escort service for female customers. He was running ads to attract customers, and it was obvious that there was sex for sale. The newspaper got hold of the story, but by that time, the business had gone under. In an interview, the entrepeneur said that the only phone calls he got were from guys looking for a job.

In my opinion, if a woman, however hideous, wants sex badly enough to sleep with a stranger, it's not that hard to find a volunteer.

Siam Sam
07-05-2012, 09:52 PM
There have been lots of stories about West Africa being a Thailand for female sex tourists. A little googling can bring those up.

But here in Thailand too, there are certain bars that will supply men to a female clientele. I personally know of one bar that is open late and caters to female hookers. This is where they go at the end of the day (or night) for a bit of jollies themselves and let off some steam.

There's a good story about ladies' toy-boy bars in Bangkok here (http://pattayatoday.net/news/thailand-news/bangkoks-lady-toy-bars-revealed/).

Accidental Martyr
07-05-2012, 09:56 PM
Wait, you mean American Gigolo and Loverboy weren't accurate representations of the lives of male prostitutes? ;)

UltraVires
07-05-2012, 11:21 PM
So, if a female walks into a legal Nevada brothel, the ladies there won't, umm, accept her tender offer?

Švejk
07-05-2012, 11:36 PM
Dan Savage recently answered a quite similar question (link (http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=13805553)). Savage discusses a number of different options and cites some experts (!) but all in all the answer is that if you're a man and you want to make a living making sweet love to women, it's going to be tough.

I guess that episode where Kyle's Dad sues Chef and he (Chef, not Kyle's dad) whores himself out to all the women in Southpark to get together money so he can hire Johnny Cochrane and get him to use the Chewbacca defence, is not very accurate.

GreasyJack
07-05-2012, 11:38 PM
Heidi Fleiss was scheming to open a "stud farm" in Nevada back in the mid-2000's and was supposedly in talks to hire Mike Tyson (a notoriously good listener). For some reason it didn't pan out.

I had thought one of the stumbling blocks to male prostitution in Nevada is that the laws specify regular cervical exams, which are difficult to perform on men. That "first legal male prostitute" article doesn't mention how that was handled-- it says he was going to get registered with the state "tomorrow" and I suspect given his short career that perhaps he never actually became technically legal.

panache45
07-05-2012, 11:58 PM
In my opinion, if a woman, however hideous, wants sex badly enough to sleep with a stranger, it's not that hard to find a volunteer.

Yes, but there's a difference between hiring someone for specific services and finding a volunteer. If you're a paying customer, you have the right to negotiate the exact services you need . . . something that's not so easy on a casual date, especially if you are past your prime/undesirable/suffering from low self-esteem or self-image. If you fall into any of these categories, your pool of "volunteers" is probably just as undesirable as you are.

And yes, I thought male escorts were common knowledge. There's a difference between "first legal" and "first."

even sven
07-06-2012, 12:34 AM
It's fairly common in West Africa and parts of the Caribbean, with the primary clientele being well-off middle aged career women looking to add a little local color to their vacation, and sometimes younger backpacker types looking for a good story.

When I've heard of it being done, it's been as a "boyfriend experience" with a thin layer of plausible deniability. Basically the woman is on the beach or at the bar, and an attractive, well-muscled guy in his early 20s, often in "rasta" garb, strikes up a friendly conversation. Since the income differences are pretty stark, she starts buying him drinks to keep him around and the conversation flowing. Eventually she may start moving it towards romance, and he reciprocates. I have no idea how payment works, but presumably she gives him a "gift," perhaps with some half-believable story behind it ("Here is the money you said you needed for your mom's surgery!")

I've been offered sexual services as a sort of "value-added" service on a tour in West Africa. It was offered to me quite cooly and straightforwardly as an option, presumably for a larger tip. I politely declined, and it never came up again. Quite bizarre.

I've seen photo menus of males in the changing rooms for Chinese spa/massage houses. My Chinese isn't great, but the situation was pretty obvious.

There is a great documentary on YouTube, whose name escapes me, about male "entertainers" in Japan. They provide various entertainment services in bars (telling jokes, singing, pouring drinks and generally giving attention) and sex is often involved. Their primary clientele are female sex workers.

clairobscur
07-06-2012, 01:55 AM
OK. I spent some amount of time on the (French) web to figure out the situation. Here are my findings :

-Reports, testimonies, articles about women's sex tourism (Africa and Caraibeans) are numerous. This seems to be relatively common. However there's a distinct lack of women asking, commenting or advising on sex tourism on message boards and such.

-There are some rare testimonies/posts about gigolos in the sense of living-in boyfriends for wealthy women. All about negative experiences.

-There are women seeking/asking about male escorts. Not that common, but not absurdly rare, either. Even though I didn't read all the threads in detail, only once did I saw a response to such a query by someone stating she had been with an escort.

-There are men posting to offer their services as male escorts on women-oriented boards. The age range is 20-50. I can't tell on the basis of such posts if those are wannabes or real experienced escorts.

-I found 5 sites of male escorts for women. All were individual sites. For some reason, 3 of them were based in Brussels. All were well done sites, quite similar to those of female escorts or male escort for men and appeared completely legitimate. All but one mentioned that they didn't accept male customers. The one who did accepted only women and couples. There were some notable differences with typical female or gay male escort sites :

-Those men were older (30-45)

-Even though they mentioned their appearance/shape and provided pictures, they didn't devote much space to that. Pictures were mostly of the man dressed and when he wasn't (or wasn't much) the pictures were quite tame. None mentioned the size of their penis or anything like that. Nor did they go into details about the kind of "sexual services" they offered (like : "I do this but don't do that"), the only exception being the guy who accepted couples about what he would do re the man.

-Most of the space was devoted to the "relational" aspect of the encounter. Their attitude towards women, why they did that, how caring they were, how much they loved women, their great personnality, etc...

-There was generally more informations about practicalities (contact, where the meeting could take place, how the escort would organize it, etc..). The handling of the financial aspect of the deal was typically only briefly and tactefully mentioned.



Anecdotically, I found an article interviewing a male escort who happened to be one I had previously checked the site of. The article mentioned their extreme rarity.

clairobscur
07-06-2012, 02:02 AM
And thinking about another current thread : none of them looked like a male stripper (I mean none was very muscular).

clairobscur
07-06-2012, 02:12 AM
Sorry for this third post, but something I found amusing : one of the escorts provided a list of a dozen or so of his prestations (quick erotic encounter, candlelight dinner+sex, attending an event or meal....) along with their duration.


One of them (billed for two hours) was advice about sexual and relationship issues :D

grude
07-06-2012, 03:04 AM
So, if a female walks into a legal Nevada brothel, the ladies there won't, umm, accept her tender offer?

I would assume yes but you know they did phrase those articles oddly, servicing hetero women or some other language would have probably been a better choice.

I don't know how to do the multi quote thing but to those who mentioned a place with male sex workers catering to female sex workers......why only female sex workers? :confused: Do they turn a female nurse away at the door?

I knew about the female sex tourism, but wasn't sure if it qualified in all cases. A lot of those that I have heard of sound somewhat like sugarmomma type situations which are pretty common around the world with the male being the "customer"(relationship based on money). They seem to be more long term, with some even er graduating to marriage like Terry McMillan the author(yea yea:smack:).

Maastricht
07-06-2012, 03:08 AM
As even sven mentioned, there is a big market for male " hosts" in Japan. But it is more about attention then sex. Here's a Youtube clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-lnOhhl8M0)and here's the Wikipedia link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_and_hostess_clubs).

A host club is similar to a hostess club, except that female customers pay for male company. Some host clubs also specialize in female-to-male transsexual hosts. Host clubs are typically found in more populated areas of Japan, and are famed for being numerous in Tokyo districts such as Kabukichō, and Osaka's Umeda and Namba. Customers are typically wives of rich men or women working as hostesses in hostess clubs.
The first host club was opened in Tokyo in 1966. In 1996, the number of Tokyo host clubs was estimated to be 200, and a night of non-sexual entertainment could cost $500 to $600. A women's studies professor explained the phenomenon by Japanese men's lack of true listening to the problems of women, and by women's desire to take care of a man and be loved back.[10]

Broomstick
07-06-2012, 04:54 AM
I don't know how to do the multi quote thing but to those who mentioned a place with male sex workers catering to female sex workers......why only female sex workers? :confused: Do they turn a female nurse away at the door?
I suspect it's more a matter of the nurse simply not knocking on the door.

It wouldn't surprise me if a female sex worker, after a long day of servicing the needs of others, would like some attention and pampering for herself.

The Great Cornholio
07-06-2012, 06:35 AM
As said before, being able to "perform" with an unattractive partner is not the easiest thing in the world for guys, Viagra notwithstanding, so someone who can actually do the deed would seem to me to be in high demand.

Alas, Viagra does nothing to help when it comes to licking that-which-one-would-rather-not-lick. Brrrrrrr :eek:

From what I can gather, there is a small but vibrant market of bored business-type women who appreciate the company of a well-read, pleasant gentleman over a meal and relaxing drinks, to while away the hours on business trips, and to deflect the attentions of the would-be lotharios frequenting hotel and city centre bars at night, dying to nail a bird who earns more in a month than they do in a year.

This pleasant chap should be open to the concept of accompanying the lady back to her room "for a nightcap", yet not be chomping at the bit to get her upstairs and subject to his Piledriver technique before she's finished her fruit salad.

Just like a "normal" date really, but with the understanding that she's not looking to find out all about his past, nor trap him into marriage when things get intimate. And the probability is that it will get intimate.

Assuming that the OP is toying with the idea of the win-win-win situation of balling lots of gagging women AND getting paid for it AND not having to tell them he loves them at any point, here's some tips for going into business:

Just be pleasant, try not to pick your nose at the table and boast about how good a shag you are, don't tell her about your ex (and cry whilst doing it), and make sure your fingernails are clean, manicured and non-bitten. Being a gym-toned hunk is not that important if you can't keep up a civilised conversation, though looking like Ron Jeremy's fat older brother in a nylon shirt, even if you can talk all night about women's rights in the workplace, is also a minus. Be just a normal, confident gentleman, not the cock-of-the-walk, and don't text your Mum to tell her you won't be home tonight.

Here's the killer though - make sure you are priced right. Most blokes, me included, would do it for free - but unfortunately the phrase "you get what you pay for" is never more apt. Once you've taken the shilling at the hotel-room door (a token of appreciation for your time, of course, nothing more), there's no backing out when you are obliged to be tucking into a grilled cheese sandwich, if you catch my drift, without Percy ever being released from your strides. The customer is always right.
You should also know when it's time to discreetly hit the road afterwards (Hint: NOT as soon as you blow your beans, fart, wipe your cock on the curtains and tell her she was great, patting her on the arse, or worse, the head), without a fuss, nor swaggering out of the hotel lobby like you are Clint Eastwood at the end of a gunfight with that "You want some as well?" sneer on your face.

Of course, if you look like Dr Hilary Jones (in his prime, not now when he looks like Keef Richards), or are a dead-ringer for Mr Darcy, and have a PHD in "Chick stuff and listening" you will be minted in no time. Knowing how fast an Aston Martin goes, or who scored first in the 1992 FA cup final, will, sadly, score you no points. The good thing is that women are more realistic about the men they meet anywhere in the real world, so won't be expecting Richard Gere (with or without hamster).

This is why gay men are apparently good at this job, they can engage in mundane conversation with women without their mind going blank, nor be dying to say "Yeah yeah, very good pet, let's go and look at your etchings. Wait till you see what I'm packing..." , yet they can grit their teeth and do the evil deed without declaring their love for HER Aston, if it's paying the rent.

Women who want a bit of rough, the specialist area of the market that I'd have comprehensively sewn up, do not need to pay for it, us rough-arses are easy to find, and we'll even pay for the odd round of drinks too sometimes. Dammit.

From what I can gather, women who use male sex workers don't look in the Free Ads, it's almost like the men who advertise there are best steered well-clear of, they are advertising their total social incompetence.
Think about it, when you, a man, book a "stunning 18yr old blonde" from the back of Exchange & Mart, it's a safe bet she's not going to be giving Elle McPherson any nightmares, despite what her ad says about her intelligence and beauty. That's OK if you want a knee-trembler behind a skip somewhere, not so OK if you are going to sit in public and dine with her (which is when her Tourette's Syndrome kicks in).

Anyway, it appears that recommendations seem to come from word-of-mouth (to begin with, in a jokey fashion) from other empowered, but unattached women, and from specialist websites, the like of which aren't stumbled upon easily, so there's no danger of every Jack-the-Lad thinking "I can do that" , advertising his 8-pack and offering to pick women up in his Y reg Ford Orion. No one wants to meet their son's mate from school after booking his services online, especially when the ad was placed by their son as a joke!

I should say that despite the concept that women can use male hookers, in the same way men use women sex workers, this has been shown to be flawed. For all the "it's just no-strings sex" declarations by liberated, empowered females, I believe that what limited research has been done into such dynamics has shown that many of the women actually do develop deep feelings beyond a business relationship and many try, and succeed, in forming long-term, <gulp> "boyfriend-girlfriend" relationships with the man they've paid to shag.

Sorry, no cites for this last paragraph, or for the word-of-mouth recommendation thing above , but it was on BBC Radio 4's "Woman's Hour" not so long back! (Also from ear-wigging on some female executives who were discussing "escorts vs some unknown bloke in Accounts", not knowing that I was working out of sight in the same room. God knows how I managed to refrain from bursting out from behind the seats with a "Ta-Daaaaaa!" and my diary in my hand, ready to take bookings.)

Nava
07-06-2012, 07:01 AM
When I've heard of it being done, it's been as a "boyfriend experience" with a thin layer of plausible deniability. Basically the woman is on the beach or at the bar, and an attractive, well-muscled guy in his early 20s, often in "rasta" garb, strikes up a friendly conversation. Since the income differences are pretty stark, she starts buying him drinks to keep him around and the conversation flowing. Eventually she may start moving it towards romance, and he reciprocates. I have no idea how payment works, but presumably she gives him a "gift," perhaps with some half-believable story behind it ("Here is the money you said you needed for your mom's surgery!")

In the case of a male coworker of mine who got a local girl in Costa Rica and who thought she'd stay in his apartment and take care of him in exchange for nothing (no money, no gifts, not even promises - dude's fiancee was back home preparing the wedding), payment was in the form of her leaving with all his personally-owned electronics. Didn't touch those which belonged to the apartment or to our employer, but bye-bye personal laptop, cellphone, etc.

Of course he's still convinced it can't have been her. After reporting the theft to the cops, the manager of the apartment complex asked me "is he really that dumb?" "He's convinced he got her for his good looks, what was your question?" "Oh God". Dude looked worse at 25 than the immense majority of men at 40...

Mijin
07-06-2012, 07:12 AM
Same thing for porn, it is often said the market for men for hetero sex in porn is so oversaturated in potential actors that doing gay porn is the only way to make money.

However the number of male actors in hetero porn is pretty small.

So the reason it's difficult for Joe Schlub to break into porn (and actually, with that name, he should), is more to do with little market pressure to introduce new guys, than competing versus all the other candidates.

Maastricht
07-06-2012, 08:09 AM
In the case of a male coworker of mine who got a local girl in Costa Rica and who thought she'd stay in his apartment and take care of him in exchange for nothing (no money, no gifts, not even promises - dude's fiancee was back home preparing the wedding), payment was in the form of her leaving with all his personally-owned electronics. Didn't touch those which belonged to the apartment or to our employer, but bye-bye personal laptop, cellphone, etc.

Of course he's still convinced it can't have been her. After reporting the theft to the cops, the manager of the apartment complex asked me "is he really that dumb?" "He's convinced he got her for his good looks, what was your question?" "Oh God". Dude looked worse at 25 than the immense majority of men at 40...
So that is why the Ron (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=495672) never learns! He never gets the message in the first place. Of course, that is also why a Ron can keep such an un-earned selfconfidence. Nava's dude probably thought some thugs waited untill he wasn't at home (because thugs know better then to mess with him) and then they abducted both the Costa Rican girlfriend and the laptop. True to Ron, he doesn't even feel he should go and rescue the girl. Rons may be dumb, but they've got a keen sense of self preservation.

Nava
07-06-2012, 08:16 AM
Maastricht, you just almost killed me. Please refrain :D

I'd never realized it, perhaps due to the lack of a 'stache, but yeah, dude sure was a Ron of the Ronnest level.

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