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lazarus86
08-30-2013, 05:39 AM
Let's say you are a hypochondriac. You're healthy, you eat healthy and look after yourself. But you worry about getting, say, breast cancer. If your mind spends enough time worrying about it, will it increase the likelihood of it actually happening?

Alternatively, if you think positively and have upbeat thoughts about a recovery or about how you're completely healthy, does that aid in overall physiological health?

No changes in lifestyle in either scenario, just mind power.

HMS Irruncible
08-30-2013, 06:24 AM
No and no. However, on the latter, that is a guarded 'no', because anxiety can indirectly aggravate physical problems. You can't happy-think yourself out of cancer, but you can certainly worry yourself into an early grave even if nothing else is wrong with you. Stress can open the door to many other ailments.

njtt
08-30-2013, 07:25 AM
Your mind can certainly give you real, unpleasant, and sometimes genuinely harmful bodily symptoms. That is what psychosomatic disease is. However, it can't give you a disease that you might otherwise get from an actual physical cause. Your mind can't give you cancer, but it could, conceivably, give you certain cancer-like symptoms.

Sleel
08-30-2013, 07:48 AM
Placebo/Nocebo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocebo) effects have been documented; the placebo effect moreso than nocebo. Depending on the depth of your belief and the tenets of your culture, it is possible to literally will yourself to death. The placebo effect is so well-documented that drug companies use marketing strategies to leverage it in order to increase the effectiveness of their drugs. There was a Salon article (http://www.salon.com/2013/08/03/big_pharmas_placebo_problem/singleton/) recently about just that that I blogged about.

Czarcasm
08-30-2013, 11:33 AM
Placebo/Nocebo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocebo) effects have been documented; the placebo effect moreso than nocebo. Depending on the depth of your belief and the tenets of your culture, it is possible to literally will yourself to death. The placebo effect is so well-documented that drug companies use marketing strategies to leverage it in order to increase the effectiveness of their drugs. There was a Salon article (http://www.salon.com/2013/08/03/big_pharmas_placebo_problem/singleton/) recently about just that that I blogged about.There was nothing in that article about willing yourself to death. Do you have a cite for that claim?

KevinOwen
08-31-2013, 02:14 AM
The mind can generate illnesses in the body which are called Psychosomatic Illness. If the truama causing the illness is not handled, it can persist for years and even end up killing one. Thinking positively doesn't help if the truama is causing the illness. Any Psychosomatic Illness can be handled with Workable Psychotherapy [Not Psych Psychotherapy, now obsolete]

"The human body was found to be extremely capable of repairing itself when the stored memories of pain were cancelled. Further it was discovered that so long as the stored pain remained, the doctoring of what are called psychosomatic ills, could not result in anything permanent."
http://www.psychosomatic-healing.co.nz/dianetics.html

What causes the mind to depart from rational thought and behaviour
http://www.dianetics.org/#/videos

Psychosomatic Illnesses handled with Psychotherapy
http://www.psychosomatic-healing.co.nz/cases.handled.html

Czarcasm
08-31-2013, 05:42 AM
The mind can generate illnesses in the body which are called Psychosomatic Illness. If the truama causing the illness is not handled, it can persist for years and even end up killing one. Thinking positively doesn't help if the truama is causing the illness. Any Psychosomatic Illness can be handled with Workable Psychotherapy [Not Psych Psychotherapy, now obsolete]

"The human body was found to be extremely capable of repairing itself when the stored memories of pain were cancelled. Further it was discovered that so long as the stored pain remained, the doctoring of what are called psychosomatic ills, could not result in anything permanent."
http://www.psychosomatic-healing.co.nz/dianetics.html

What causes the mind to depart from rational thought and behaviour
http://www.dianetics.org/#/videos

Psychosomatic Illnesses handled with Psychotherapy
http://www.psychosomatic-healing.co.nz/cases.handled.htmlDo you have any non-pseudoscientific religious cites for your claims?

Pjen
08-31-2013, 05:55 AM
The mind can generate illnesses in the body which are called Psychosomatic Illness. If the truama causing the illness is not handled, it can persist for years and even end up killing one. Thinking positively doesn't help if the truama is causing the illness. Any Psychosomatic Illness can be handled with Workable Psychotherapy [Not Psych Psychotherapy, now obsolete]

"The human body was found to be extremely capable of repairing itself when the stored memories of pain were cancelled. Further it was discovered that so long as the stored pain remained, the doctoring of what are called psychosomatic ills, could not result in anything permanent."
http://www.psychosomatic-healing.co.nz/dianetics.html

What causes the mind to depart from rational thought and behaviour
http://www.dianetics.org/#/videos

Psychosomatic Illnesses handled with Psychotherapy
http://www.psychosomatic-healing.co.nz/cases.handled.html


http://www.skeptictank.org/dienetcs.htm

GusNSpot
08-31-2013, 10:42 AM
Truth is relative to time & place. Facts are facts.

IIRC, there have been, for example, cancer remissions or complete freedom from a cancer that the medical nor the scientific community have, as yet, been able to explain.

Czarcasm
08-31-2013, 11:11 AM
Truth is relative to time & place. Facts are facts.

IIRC, there have been, for example, cancer remissions or complete freedom from a cancer that the medical nor the scientific community have, as yet, been able to explain.That is definitely a fact. Tying it in any way to what one believes or how one feels is, at this point, conjecture.

HMS Irruncible
08-31-2013, 11:53 AM
TIIRC, there have been, for example, cancer remissions or complete freedom from a cancer that the medical nor the scientific community have, as yet, been able to explain.
This doesn't prove anything, unless you are implying that some other community is able to explain it. Let's hear that explanation.

The "positive thinking" movement is nothing less than looking someone in the eye, someone who is wracked with pain and staring death in the face, and suggesting that maybe they're not getting better because they're not trying hard enough to be positive. You would have to be a pretty horrible person to say that just so you could feel like you were contributing.

Washoe
08-31-2013, 02:35 PM
IIRC, there have been, for example, cancer remissions or complete freedom from a cancer that the medical nor the scientific community have, as yet, been able to explain.

Don’t about one-third of all human carcinomas go into remission all by themselves? That may just be my rectal factoid Pez dispenser talking (it does seem to be a remarkably high fraction), but I have heard that figure somewhere before.

KevinOwen
08-31-2013, 08:07 PM
Truth is relative to time & place. Facts are facts.

IIRC, there have been, for example, cancer remissions or complete freedom from a cancer that the medical nor the scientific community have, as yet, been able to explain.

There have and they cover illnesses across the board. One could call them placebo effects where the person heals themselves. The success rate is around 20% plus that a person will get better no matter what treatment he receives even if the treatment doesn't work. Those treatments one could call healing by destruction may drop below that level. Most medical treatments are around that success rate.
The Neurological Foundation has a 1001 disorders on the books without a single cure
Psychiatry and Psychology has 367 disorders without a single cure. The MD also has 100s of illnesses they treat only the symptoms of without any cures.

All the above ideologies haven't realized yet that a person can and does heal him/herself once the Psychosomatic Conditions preventing them from doing so are handled.

Psychiatry: No Science No Cures
"I have cured non of my patients"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHu7Ik36128

The Marketing of Madness: [Video]
Are We All Insane?
"The definitive documentary on psychotropic drugging—this is the story of the high-income partnership
between drug companies and psychiatry which has created an $80 billion profit from the peddling of
psychotropic drugs to an unsuspecting public."
http://www.cchr.org/videos/marketing-of-madness.html

silenus
08-31-2013, 08:11 PM
Scientology bullshit is still bullshit, no matter what cites you try to find to back up your bullshit.

Ferret Herder
08-31-2013, 08:14 PM
CCHR.org is a Scientology front; the organization has a vested, financial interest in smearing psychiatry, not to mention a long history of doing so.

Czarcasm
08-31-2013, 08:49 PM
There have and they cover illnesses across the board. One could call them placebo effects where the person heals themselves. The success rate is around 20% plus that a person will get better no matter what treatment he receives even if the treatment doesn't work. Those treatments one could call healing by destruction may drop below that level. Most medical treatments are around that success rate.
The Neurological Foundation has a 1001 disorders on the books without a single cure
Psychiatry and Psychology has 367 disorders without a single cure. The MD also has 100s of illnesses they treat only the symptoms of without any cures.

All the above ideologies haven't realized yet that a person can and does heal him/herself once the Psychosomatic Conditions preventing them from doing so are handled.

Psychiatry: No Science No Cures
"I have cured non of my patients"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHu7Ik36128

The Marketing of Madness: [Video]
Are We All Insane?
"The definitive documentary on psychotropic drugging—this is the story of the high-income partnership
between drug companies and psychiatry which has created an $80 billion profit from the peddling of
psychotropic drugs to an unsuspecting public."
http://www.cchr.org/videos/marketing-of-madness.htmlWhat Level are you? Have they told you all about Xenu and the Galactic Confederacy yet? Seen any Thetans lately?

C K Dexter Haven
09-01-2013, 08:23 AM
What Level are you? Have they told you all about Xenu and the Galactic Confederacy yet? Seen any Thetans lately?MODERATOR NOTE: C'mon, Czarcasm, you know better than to make such personal comments/insults in this forum. Please refrain.

PERSONAL COMMENT: Certainly stress can cause a large variety of symptoms. My personal experience (no cite) is nting that my hypochondriac/OCD mother-in-law has diarrhea when she's super-stressed, and then starts worry about some intestinal cancer, and that causes more stress with other (very real) symptoms.

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